Let's talk some "The Acolyte" (Episode 3) with Thor & Naboo

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[@3NewDay]

You can't have fun watching clues every week if the clues don't make sense.

[@969omo]

The LOST show season 1 , anyone?

[@samuel_boivin]

Ofc you can! That's what makes if fun! It stimulates the brain to try and figure it out and debate amongst ourselves! If you cant enjoy that, I'm truly sorry for your limited capacities.

[@samuel_boivin]

​@@969omoEXACTLY! "seeding and threading" is not the only method of building an intrigue! You can also sprinkle details and use deception and imprecise/altered memories to narrate until a final conclusion! (Or a shit show like Lost became when the writers strike hit 😂) Either way, we'll just know when it's all wrapped up

[@Sagnomi]

Thor: "Naboo, what did you think? Naboo: "What if they forced men to...." Thor: "Well that escalated quickly"

[@rllove016148]

So they pulled a Harvey. 😂😂

[@MaxRamos8]

honestly I think it's like dathomir where they use male slaves for breeding, but I guess the mom had her eggs fertilized inside the other woman for some reason, thus making sense that one bore them but the other created them. Just a theory since these women got to come from SOMEWHERE

[@MaxRamos8]

honestly I think it's like dathomir where they use male slaves for breeding, but I guess the mom had her eggs fertilized inside the other woman for some reason, thus making sense that one "carried" them but the other "created" them. So you have no father, the saying stays true, and that's why we don't see any males

[@samuel_boivin]

​@@rllove016148good one 😅

[@Godivious]

I think the Jedi came to save the kids because of how cringe the Witches are.

[@Godivious]

@BizznessBox exactly 😂

[@mkhud50n]

💯🎯

[@ryanb9749]

@BizznessBox whoever wrote that chant needs to be kicked out of Hollywood lol

[@internet2055]

📜"a good novel tell us the truth about its hero, a bad novel tells us the truth about it's author"

[@dizehjvegnomis]

i saw someone call them walmart brand nightsisters 😂

[@GAdmThrawn]

Detective Naboo has given this more thought than the actual criminals of the crime scene...the writers.

[@internet2055]

📜"a good novel tell us the truth about its hero, a bad novel tells us the truth about it's author"

[@MaxRamos8]

=/doesn't apply to Jk Rowling and she is DooDoo but Harry Potter is awesome

[@internet2055]

@MaxRamos8 you might have not understood the Quote then

[@FabuBrik]

This show reminds me of talking to someone who thinks they are way smarter than you, when they're very clearly not.

[@grwaqulmolegames184]

Keep the witches away from the schools made me genuinely laugh out loud.

[@bencostello7435]

Note that Torbin says, "I've been waiting for you, Mae." So he apparently knew she was alive.

[@MysticTroll]

Torbin just used the Force to read the script, also known as Force Clairvoyance

[@Thareldis]

@BizznessBox how is him knowing who she is bad writing?

[@JohnCocozza]

That is an excellent point I have not heard anywhere yet.

[@Thareldis]

@BizznessBox well.. that we do not know yet. The story is made more mysterious on purpose and giving away more context and information over time, which has both positive and negative effects on how we see it as it is slowly released on a weekly basis. So either Torben knew more than Sol for some reason we don't know yet, or he was suspecting Mae would survive and was waiting for his time to repent. Percieved guilt can make us "wait for something" that way. And well.. it's not a new concept that certain force users can identify others based on heir imprint on the force when they stand before them, while others can feel specific people even through vast distances, but can't quite locate them. It could go both ways at this point and either be a plothole, or something that will get revealed later. I personally don't see plotholes everywhere in a show using mystery as a main hook, before it isn't further along the way and they truly are plotholes after all. But you do you, if that's how you want to approach it.

[@BeefSupreme641]

Now I wish space Chris Hansen appeared and asked the witches to take a seat.

[@plumbussmith]

Bad writing.

[@beezysbeatz4924]

Not Star Wars plus bad AI writing, acting, directing, producing, EDITING, music.

[@ryanb9749]

For a college essay it's fine.

[@bayushiteishiru6291]

I'd fail that student.

[@Bbokkari-skz]

@@bayushiteishiru6291🤣🤣🤣

[@SixerMason]

Par for the course with DSW.

[@rogerpalsgrove9678]

There's vague and then there's whatever they're doing here.

[@ravonharris3392]

This ain't star wars.

[@mr_yoru5834]

My current theory is that the coven were in contact with a Sith who showed them some power that helped them conceive the twins. That's why they were so worried that the Jedi might find out about how the twins came to be because they might find out where they learned to do it. It might also explain how Mae came into contact with someone who appears to be a Sith to begin training as an acolyte.

[@cklambo]

How would the jedi know if the witches don't tell them.

[@mr_yoru5834]

@cklambo If the Force was directly involved with their creation, then the Jedi might sense that there was something unnatural about them. Similar to how Qui Gon sensed fairly quickly that there was something different about Anakin.

[@Kevin_Street]

Yes, that could be. I like your theory.

[@stevenoneill2037]

Maybe the republic made the jedi the only force users allowed to train force sedative kids after the jedi and sith war. And dark side arts is outlawed by the republic.

[@robwhisenhunt8014]

Sailor suggesting the possibility that The Acolyte could stick the landing sounds just like me during Book or Boba, Ahsoka & Kenobi. I will laugh forever if I finally gave up on Disney Star Wars & canceled Disney+ just for The Acolyte to actually be awesome. 😂

[@dylanmahaffey8920]

I always love Naboo's hot takes.

[@caseyjp1]

Not a knock, first off...but listening to you two try and make sense out of nonsense is comedy gold. 🏆 This episode DID shred Anakin's birth and his purpose. The REASON you felt things were vague was on purpose. This is writing on the ragged edge of messaging over story. It becomes a convoluted mess BECAUSE these people aren't just idealogues, they are incompetent at their jobs...and it shows.

[@mkhud50n]

No it strengthens Anakin’s story. It shows him as being of the light side and created naturally by the force whereas the witches used dark magic and could not put a spirit in one body. Anakin was natural and the twins were unnatural (although the force may have intervened there a bit too). It’s vague because it’s telling the same story from different perspectives and the dialogue has to be vague enough for other characters to misinterpret lines.

[@mkhud50n]

No it strengthens Anakin’s story. It shows him as being of the light side and created naturally by the force whereas the witches used dark magic and could not put a spirit in one body. Anakin was natural and the twins were unnatural (although the force may have intervened there a bit too). It’s vague because it’s telling the same story from different perspectives and the dialogue has to be vague enough for other characters to misinterpret lines. The show is also showing how cringe those ideologies can be. Dude that song was horrible. It was supposed to be.

[@Thareldis]

let us pretend that all this culture war bullshit just doesn't exist, cause I'm fucking tired of it. How the fuck is it making Anakin's story worse, if we get some context to how life could be created by manipulating the force? Also who's saying that they were made the same way? We got some vague statements about the twins that could be interpreted as such, but we simply do not know yet what their mother did exactly.

[@mythrilage5053]

@@ThareldisWho cares? The show sucks and Disney has killed Star Wars.

[@ian-flanagan]

“Who says they’re made the same way?”…. surely the writer knows how it will be interpreted, even if later it’s shown to be different. It’s either trolling, or completely misunderstanding (a large segment of) the audience.

[@simonyesh]

This video of you two discussing the show is more entertaining and interesting than any other reviews of The Acolyte or the episode itself. That's why I'm here.

[@unkemptjargon91]

They couldn't explain the difference in their philosophy. Others say it's a force, like something to be wielded... now watch me wield it. The thread controls your destiny but you can pull the thread and change it but it doesn't change your destiny... soo what??

[@otakumusprime7745]

A perfect video to watch while I eat breakfast and have my coffee. I'm sure there won't be any dark topics or anything.

[@sailornaboo5725]

What! Here! Never😊

[@cklambo]

Meat puppet

[@Solo13508]

I think Naboo is actually onto something with a few of her ideas!

[@blazingmonolith4323]

She has some interesting ideas for sure.

[@YegRon]

Even if it wasn’t agenda driven and lore breaking, with the quality of writing displayed in the clips and trailers, why should any of us non-reviewers invest the time necessary to watch this? Thankful for you both, Thor and Naboo, for doing what so many of us aren’t willing to do.

[@cloudmaster182]

It's neither agenda driven nor lore breaking

[@vagabond_jachym3276]

Which agenda?

[@bmarshy]

@@cloudmaster182it certainly FEELS agenda driven, not necessarily any political agenda but definitely Leslye Headland’s own personal agenda, and it isn’t lore breaking but definitely lore changing

[@shemyaza8934]

Far left "progressive" agenda, just like literally every established franchise is being destroyed by. You can't see it because you're ego-blind. The emasculation of male characters, and the jedi being nothing but the far-lefts false narratives concerning the police, body-positivity nonsense, nonsense about gay couples giving birth, etc etc.

[@michaelmccormick6571]

Not lore breaking? You are too stupid to argue with

[@stonerainproductions]

Thor and Naboo, I LOVE your optimism, and that's why I still enjoy your content even though I am no longer interested in Star Wars. I believe you two are genuinely giving this a fair chance, but personally, I don't think Disney deserves anymore chances (my personal opinion). Here is why: Kathleen Kennedy has recently acknowledged that Star Wars was a male "dominated" fan base. If this was something they were fully aware of, you'd think they'd lean into it and let the cash roll in, but no. I believe Disney wanted this property so they could buy a fan base that they knew would show up. They wanted this to push a new agenda on the fan base in hopes we would slowly give into their message. This may be a reach, but I genuinely can't think of any other reason to do what they have done. I do genuinely believe Star Wars is pretty much completely dead to the original fan base that had previously spent loads of money on the franchise. I hope it's worth it for Disney. Thanks for the terrific content Thor and Naboo, I will keep watching because I support you both, but Star Wars is dead to me now sadly. This is no longer Star Wars, it is instead an imposter standing in its place.

[@RevoVansen]

Imagine that this episode was inspired by Waco and the Branch Davidians.

[@bryantvargas5623]

The only mystery about this show is how it ever got past the pitch phase.

[@Solo13508]

I think Sol genuinely believes the story about Mae being responsible for all the carnage. He was down below trying to save the twins and therefore may not even have known what was going on above. Unless of course the other Jedi told him afterwards.

[@mrcat3493]

Sol giving the kid a lightsaber was so bad too. Here kid, play with this loaded gun.

[@zigurdur92]

In Pixar film Brave, the 8 years old is given a bow & arrows, so this is not new.

[@mrcat3493]

@@zigurdur92 a lightsaber is functionally different don’t you agree? It is analogous to giving a child a loaded gun.

[@zigurdur92]

@@mrcat3493In attack of the clones, we see kids train with sabers. Giving your weapon to someone has always been a symbol of trust. Luke Skywalker threw his saber away in Return of the Jedi as way of showing that he quit fighting & he trust his father.

[@mrcat3493]

@@zigurdur92 yes, the padawans were being trained. See the difference?

[@zigurdur92]

@@mrcat3493 there will come time as padawans when they are given saber, like Osha was given in episode.

[@3Overhaus]

This is what happens when you hire based on sexual preference.

[@MiscMitz]

Still haven't watched any of it. Maybe this weekend. Also, for some reason, Stacey's Mom had been stuck in my head all week... No idea why

[@dizehjvegnomis]

hey naboo, hey thor....it looked like the hole (at the break in the bridge where osha and mae face each other before falling) in the walll showed the main group of witches dead, like they died from the explosion penetrating the wall

[@onlyonestarwarsfan5337]

I’d be surprised if the writers had the gall to actually imply that the mother *ahem* “roped” a Jedi.

[@cloudmaster182]

They didn't imply that.. wtf are u talking about

[@onlyonestarwarsfan5337]

@@cloudmaster182did you even listen to Naboo’s first theory? That’s exactly what that theory would imply.

[@MaxRamos8]

honestly I think it's like dathomir where they use male slaves for breeding, but I guess the mom had her eggs fertilized inside the other woman for some reason, thus making sense that one bore them but the other created them. Just a theory since these women got to come from SOMEWHERE

[@btr3k]

ONE witch can easily be pushed over. TWO witches however... well, they can still be pushed over easily. But just imagine MANY witches... it would probably be pretty hard to push them over. [next scene - all witches are on the floor, dead]

[@daruekeller]

also... don't hand lightsabers to children, she could have turned that on while looking down the barrel or any of a wide range of other disasters

[@leeosborne1513]

Disney lightsabers are non lethal at this point.

[@tanisparker1282]

No it's okay it won't hurt her at all. At this point I'm convinced a lightsaber to the face isn't lethal

[@daruekeller]

@@tanisparker1282 well, as long as they get prompt medical attention. of course I don't think we've ever seen so much as a first aid kit in SW so 🤷

[@tanisparker1282]

@@daruekeller they have those shots. On Andor whatever they gave to nemik (RIP) is the only thing I can think of

[@Sam_T2000]

if indeed the twins were “conceived” by the witches via “the Thread,” that kind makes them anti-Christs… anti-Chosen Ones 😑 the Jedi serve the Force, Dark Siders _use_ the Force… and these witches definitely use the Force. (and I know “use the Force, Luke!” is a famous quote, but in that scene Luke is actually trusting the Force, rather than just using it as a power, especially as he’s yet to develop his skills 🤷🏻‍♂️)

[@ArtooDetour]

“The Acolyte, Ep3: Return of the Threadi”

[@tanisparker1282]

I still can't get past the ep 1 title. The master dying to a knife killed star wars for me. So thanks guys for keeping me up to date

[@Nava9380]

A little knife is more deadly than a Lightsaber. 🤷‍♂️

[@tanisparker1282]

@@Nava9380 a diverse girl with knife is more dangerous than a sith lord with a lightsaber

[@Thareldis]

@@tanisparker1282 I mean if throwing knives are so safe, why aren't people casually falling on them for fun then? Come on man, at least try finding something real to bitch about, instead of inventing a problem where none exists.

[@tanisparker1282]

@@Thareldis Darth Vader can't kill a jedi youngling no more not even with a lightsaber. Let's show that you can get stabbed but the deadliest weapon and survive. Let's show that the one of the most powerful sith ever is weaker than a diverse female with a knife. If I had to choose to fight a sith or someone with a knife I'll take the sith because I'll walk away

[@mythrilage5053]

@@ThareldisYou clearly don’t know anything about the Jedi. Do you think the Jedi are able to just see a laser beam and block it? No, of course not. They use the force, or sorry the ‘thread’, to sense the laser beam and then deflect it on instinct. A simple blade would be much easier than a laser beam. The blade wasn’t even a vibroblade… the writers know very little if anything at all about the Jedi or Star Wars as a whole.

[@Aetoski]

Nobody should be able to create Full-Life long living Force beings... Palpatine scourges the galaxy to find a way Life is precious and rare. Star Wars is a reflection of our world values. Because it should be special. You shouldn't be able to create an army of Luke Skywalkers That is why it is never successful and when it is they live short lives and burn out.

[@eddieromero9118]

🧵 + ✂️ = 👶 👶

[@danielbadillo8334]

makes sense actually lol

[@dannbrauckmann1545]

Whatever caused the Lesby-Witches to all die, it appears "The Power of MANY" wasn't all it was cracked-up to be.

[@Thareldis]

I don't think it was ever intended to be powerful enough, but should show how weird force cults can be with their beliefs.

[@cklambo]

The witches call the jedi arrogant & ignorant. But the witches themselves also act this way.

[@Jerome616]

Classic modern writing.

[@Thareldis]

@@Jerome616 uhh.. ever heard of people having double standards in stories?

[@Jerome616]

@@Thareldis I admit, it could be the case here. Was that your impression of them?

[@enzomarra3764]

Why are you covering this awful show....... dumpster fire

[@Sam_T2000]

I don’t like the ship designs in this show… I can’t tell if the Jedi ship in the flashback is the same from the present timeline, but it looks ridiculously enormous, and the interior is hideous and not Jedi-y. I guess the Trade Federation ship in the first episode was decent, and Mae’s ship looks potentially cool, but we’ve yet to get a good look at it 🤔

[@notwhatitwasbefore]

I don't understand the notion that you have to work out who is the bad guys in this set up. On one side we have Jedi who it has been established are definitively the good guys in the Star Wars Mythos. Its as certain as water is wet. Its the rules of the setting its fundemental to what star wars is and always has been. On the otherside we have the bad guys. who we know are the bad guys because in Star Wars the good guys are the jedi. I'm not even watching the show and I know this has to be the case because otherwise it isn't star wars its just some knock off of people in robes with laser swords but none of the established setting. Having clearly defined good and evil (including factions) is a little limiting in an IP sure but if you want to do a mystery shade of grey thing don't do it in an IP that was made popular by being the opposite of that. Its like if you want to make a period drama don't set it on Pluto in the 43rd millenia of the qu'elocks dynasty kind of simple

[@blazingmonolith4323]

Maybe Korral decided to "pull her own thread." And its possible that Anaseya has the power to pull the life force out of people. She may have consumed the witches life force, and thats why they all look like they died standing in place.

[@godssss42]

The coven has the ability to create life as Plagueis was implied to have. That is the obvious answer, and it shows the coven as competent whereas the jedi body possession theory makes them very unsympathetic. The point of the show is to depict the coven sympathetically.

[@tremontefr5617]

Most of us are brushing off the witches as evil or evil users but I believe the intention is to make them hero’s. Also being vague and purposefully hiding details is not creative writing.

[@Rocco1332]

The structure feels more like a first episode. Are the girls clones? Maybe with some force tampering like they wanted to make one to embody the light and one to embody the dark for some reason?

[@DallasSoundGuys]

I mentioned on Thor’s channel that I had the idea the writers are making a commentary by giving partial information to see people run wild jumping to conclusions on what is true. That people without all the facts create their own truth. Just to make a point that the world lands on opinions without all the facts.

[@vagabond_jachym3276]

I've just realised that Torbin apparently went from padawan to master in just 6 years.

[@Jerome616]

He was so depressed that they made him a master thinking he had obtained enlightenment😂

[@gildor8866]

Kenobi went from Padawan in epsisode 1 to Master in epsiode 2, which is 10 years later. We know he was made a Jedi Knight at the end of episode 1 but we do not know when he became a master. So assuming Torbin becomes a knight not long after these event 6 years appears fast, but possible. Honestly we know very little about the average time it takes to attain the rank of master, of Torbin himself etc. This is a point of the Acolyte I wouldn't dwell on too much. And just for fun: Dwight D. Eisenhower needed 5 years to get promoted from Lt. Colonel to full Colonel. After that he needed less than two years to get promoted to Brigadier, Major General, Lieutenent General and then full General.

[@MaxRamos8]

? The flashback was 16 years ago not 6

[@ian-flanagan]

… but then mediated for 10 years

[@root13pie]

Jedi use the term "master" in more than one way. For example, any Jedi Knight who takes on a Padawan is their master. I assumed they were using the term in a different way here, rather than to indicate Torbin had reached Jedi Master rank.

[@fjm9898]

How would controlling the Jedi and stealing his man juice to create girls that are already there and like 8 years old? or you saying she is gonna make more kids later with him?

[@andrewdunham2518]

Love both of your alls creativity, but you are giving way too much credit to the show runners.

[@ReluctantCriticDude]

The story is horrible and non-sensical. Hence there is no way to make logical reason about the plot.

[@rothsshvili5125]

Home schooling NOT allowed lol

[@rothsshvili5125]

Oshi the homicidal mechanic lol Mae the arsonist lol

[@rothsshvili5125]

Mae the force be with you (Oshi)

[@btr3k]

I think you mean the Fabric...? Thread...? Anyway, definitely not Force.

[@netney52]

It’s an interesting story with bad writing and bad acting for most of the characters.

[@ryanb9749]

5.1/10. People who say it's the worst thing they've ever seen have never watched Kenobi

[@roskelld]

Kenobi was a fine slapstick comedy. This is just turning into something so boring that I'm struggling to hate watch it.

[@danielbadillo8334]

I don't think anything will ever be as bad as Kenobi. If Anakin wasn't in it then it would probably compete with the holiday special for worst content of all time

[@Lt_Rik]

You guys are basically discussing which type of turd, that you might step on is the worst.

[@roskelld]

@@Lt_Rik All I can hope for now is Kathleen and crew have been to focused on Giant Douche and Turd Sandwich to forget about Andor Season 2, allowing it to come out unscathed.

[@ryanb9749]

@@roskelld lool

[@casualslothtv]

I really tried to be impartial, but this was uhhh... Not it..

[@tkirby]

You're giving the writers way to much credit.

[@2323dbarro]

So is Naboo saying the main mother used dark magic on a Jedi to impregnate her and then for some reason transferred her eggs to the zabrak mother to birth the twins? Don’t know how else the main mother could claim she “created” them in Naboo’s theory

[@sailornaboo5725]

Well she used the dark magic on a jedi or force user....to impregnate someone....maybe I did say it is a crazy theory.

[@stevena.7022]

Yeah, that's the theory.

[@buckkowalzek9745]

Talk about writing what you know huh?

[@2323dbarro]

@@sailornaboo5725 I like crazy theories. Just trying to see how the main mother fits into it with her comment about how she created them. The whole thing is weird and I’m not sure they can explain this to appease the fan base

[@MaxRamos8]

honestly I think it's like dathomir where they use male slaves for breeding, but I guess the mom had her eggs fertilized inside the other woman for some reason, thus making sense that one bore them but the other created them. Just a theory since these women got to come from SOMEWHERE

[@mr.moodie5223]

They just dropped an article on the Star wars page saying the twins were created by the force.... Basically two lesbian women created the babies.

[@cklambo]

One created them. The other was the surrogate.

[@Sam_T2000]

yea… I think Koril is the big bad. or Yord. meh.

[@danotto8970]

Yes everything can’t be vague..

[@Oblogonogo]

a good mystery gives you 90% and makes you struggle and scratch your head to get that last 10

[@ian-flanagan]

Yes, or makes 10% feel like 90% before pulling the rug from under you

[@caravaggio2012]

I think there may be a piece we are missing. perhaps the witches turned to a dark side user (the hidden Sith) to help them create the twins and that is what the Jedi would not have approved of. The Sith has been monitoring the kids, possibly making a connection with Mae, and set the situation up to kill all the witches and make it look like the Jedi were responsible.

[@germanxmascookie]

Wow these two together are painful to watch.

[@zacharyfett2491]

5:05 I understand what Naboo is saying and there’s no way Harvey Wienstien’s Personal Assistant is so tone deaf that she’d have this witch remove someone’s body autonomy to have them create Force sensitive children. We have a word for that………….

[@hickiwawa]

Check out? I never checked in with this show.

[@fredlusyk6741]

《SPACE ONION: A Lytesabers Out Mystery》 ...i Thourouly Enjoyed CSI Naboo's FORCE SPERM DONER Theory!!! ..."Witches what they've done, Witches normal"... 《The BLAHcolyte》 👽 🖖 🤖 #RestoreTheLucasVerse

[@davidparmly8828]

Production and writing are lazy and seem determined to avoid SW canon.

[@charleshartley9597]

It really seems like the witches died where they stood, maybe force/magic, but being gassed or something seems more likely. Not like they died violently. So… more mystery. Or just badly set up by director.

[@tom2gunzbombadil689]

I appreciate you 2 being objective and unbiased. But face it... its sweaty ass crack. And It's approaching Kenobi level of writing but.... gay. And this made a Jedi self delete? Gtfoh... 💩/10

[@RuggerDez]

Let’s be honest. George HANDED LucasFilm over to KK, lest we place blame. In reality I think he thinks that was the worst decision he has ever made WITHIN HIS ENTIRE LIFE. And we all believe, he might be right to think that dammit. George gave birth to a monster. Yet we’re the monsters WTF? How much does Disney own again? Disney is an empire…that will eventually collapse under its own weight. Like Rome, they conquered too much. Alas…FU Disney. And George? Shit happens. Just please George, make KK stop for F’s sake.

[@jasoncandler9124]

TBH, as a tangential SW fan (never really got into the literature), I don't hate this in as much as other fans (yet). It might actually be one of the better 'force' themed live action Disney SW productions yet. Meaning the only productions I've enjoyed in the post Disney saga is: Rogue One, Andor, and Mando season 2. Disney doesn't seem to understand what do to with the force/force users... they're either insanely powerful, insanely inept, or comic relief. The added advantage of not having a direct OT force character to completely destroy works in its favor... though the 'vague' origins of the twins has potential to screw everything up. Considering I'd give Disney Force user centric shows/movies an overall grade of F- (ie Entire sequel trilogy, and what they did to Obi Wan 🤮) This show is at least graded a C (so far). I'm at least invested in Sol as a character, and am curious about Qimar and where the plot is going.. Couldn't say the same for Rey, Kylo, Obi Wan 🤮 (D+ version, not the real version), Luke (TLJ), the force kid that could push the broom, Snope, etc...

[@LucDesormeaux]

I didn't read the comments, so if already in there, I'm sorry. What if, the persone who started the fire, is the "Master" we heard about in the first or second episode? He/she could have started that fire to keep the Jedi and Witches busy while they got the twins. It didn,t actually turned out as planned, so he/she could only get Mae. Also, what if that master is the Zabrak lady? Honestly, I don't hate the show, up until now, but I certainly don't love it.

[@onje_berdy1590]

1. The Sith were annihilated by the Jedi many generations ago. 2. One Sith managed to conceal his holocron before being destroyed. 3. Aniseya discovered the hidden holocron and learned to create life with the Force from it. 4. The holocron might belong to Darth Plagueis. 5. The Jedi discovered the existence of the holocron. 6. The evil tween killed all of the witches, except for her mother, using the Force to control fire. 7. The mother survived, later found her daughter, and assumed the mantle of a Sith Lord while concealing her identity. 8. The Jedi will eventually defeat her, reclaim the holocron, and learn about the Rule of Two from it. 9. They will understand that she was self-taught, so it was true that the Sith have been extinct for millennia. 10. The evil tween will masquerade as the good one and her apprentice will become the Emperor's mentor. 11. Her apprentice might adopt the name Plagueis in honor of the holocron's creator. Ps. And I think that the evil tween is an ancestor of Shmi Skywalker.

[@thaIllYankee]

Yeah...if it wasn't for the fact that there may be a connection at the end of this series that The Osha & Mae Story helps the Sith regenerate (leading to the events of the Prequels), I would check out of The Acolyte after this last episode. The Show IMO leaves open the possibility that Darth Plageuis copied the Coven in this program but changed the gender from Female to Male and making a Chosen One vs. a Dyad of Twins #PandorasBox #CanOfWorms This show is on the Book of Boba Fett path IMO but with worse ramifications. Book of Boba was about the Legacy of 1 Notable Character: The Acolyte is advertised as affecting the Legacy of the Primary Antagonists in a near-50yo IP 👀

[@dicsord-server]

Hey Thor, this question is based on your Roshomon ending theory for the Acolyte. This is essentially meant to be the crown jewel of FKA Project Luminous, which was meant to be the new effort at making a real canon timeline and a new story. I have a feeling that similar to your Rey is No One shot-call, this crown jewel will be pure anti-canon: Teflon that rejects Star Wars having rules or consistency. Do you think the negative reaction to this show could seriously end Star Wars for a long while? I just dropped my day one Disney+ subscription and quit Star Wars, and I really gave it my all, but in the words of many stunning and brave women “this wasn’t meant for (me)…”

[@tomlewis4205]

I vaguely recall this show was revamped from being a Sith perspective series to a "Jedi Mystery " series... Naboo is certainly very entertaining with her theories but I get a sense that this show was one thing then butchered badly to become another thing. 🤷 Only watched the first two episodes entirely, it feels like Buffy The Vampire Slayer, shot indoors & not quite satisfyingly real feeling. Of course, Buffy's characters were more compelling. 😂

[@vike7711]

As usual,the reviews are often far more entertaining than the actual product from Disney-also people trying to defend the indefensible. It’s absolute garbage-widely rejected and soulless,lazy,disrespectful and hateful of the OT,it’s using a beloved franchise to showcase current day bullshit-Star Wars is dead under Disney control.

[@chrismoore7365]

Male SA victim suggestion made this thing, A HELL A LOT WORSE......

[@MandalorSkyrd]

I'm leaning more toward something akin to Sith alchemy as to how Aniseya created Mae and Osha. Koril is likely just a vessel to bear and birth the children.

[@samuel_boivin]

I'm considering myself as someone who is BEYOND tired of all the wokeness in life (I live in Trudeau's virtue signalling kingdom). But I'm telling you, this series is really not woke propaganda right now. Well maybe a bit meant to be trolling and getting y'all worked up by flirting with concepts that could open to a real world discussion, but it's really not coming across to my exhausted patience as the central focus of the show. So far, it's about revenge, wrongful arrest, remorse, life choices, trying to keep a scandal quiet and misunderstandings. There is no wokeness in this, in fact, that's leading us right into revealing what made our woke world what it is! It's gonna be teaching us about using our common sense and rationality to distinguish the truth from the narrative others want us to perpetuate. Take a deep breathe folks and rewatch it while giving it a bit more of a chance. ✌️

[@pablogamberomasson-qg2px]

Hey Thor, I appreciate you criticising the show for it's actual flaws. If we fans don't point out the actual problems of the Acolyte, then we will not be taken seriously. But I guess this kinds of balanced and objective opinions attract less views of justifiably annoyed fans. What's your opinion on the Acolyte's potrayal of the Jedi so far? Do you think they depict them as evil as so many people say? Just to be clear, i hate Disney sw.

[@TheSmatislav]

12:30 I have another theory (which is also extremely stupid): When Torbin says he's taking a blood sample, he looks like he is lying. What if... they injected the twins with some kind of antidote to a poison they used to kill off the coven. Maybe we learn later that Torbin and Indara were on a secret assassination mission that Sol and Wookie-Jedi weren't aware of ...u know, so they can be spared by Mae when she realizes those two are innocent. That way she doesn't have to kill a Wookie because that would make it harder to redeem her in the end. Because of course this is where this story is headed! Oh boy. This "plot-twist" is so contrived, I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out to be true XD

[@christopherescobar10]

Hey Thor and Naboo, do you think Koril killed Mother Aniseya and the other witches and blamed the Jedi to fuel Mae's hatred of the Jedi? I am not watching this show at the moment. I may watch it out of morbid curiosity like I did with Ashoka. Season 3 of Mandalorian was straight up terrible.

[@SunWarrior155]

The twins may look more like the head witch, but the actors seem to be biracial, which I think was a deliberate casting choice, that in-universe suggests the twin are part Zabrak. In other words they share DNA from both mothers. It could also just be because Amandla's biracial herself and they simply wanted child actors that looked the part. I might just be reading too deep into it.

[@lgc41004]

Alright hear me out here.. The bunta tree. The emphasis on the bunta tree in the beginning with the sisters and again at the end with Mae saying "Osha" while looking at the tree. We can see the dead witches on the ground who appear to not have been burned nor killed by lightsaber. I think they were poisoned by someone, Either Osha, Mae or Torbin. When Mae went to kill Torbin the first time he did not awake. It was only after she went back the second time with the bunta poison that he woke up and decided to take his own life; to gain forgiveness from Mae. When Osha was in the apothecary Qimir says "Torbin needs something only YOU can bring him, absolution" all while looking the bunta leaves. I believe he wanted full circle redemption from Mae through death in the same manner in which he helped to kill the coven. Bunta poison. We also have the question of the scenes in the trailers with kalnacca attacking Torbin, why? I think its that Indara instructed her padawan Torbin to kill the witches and Kalnacca rejected the proposal, standing up for the coven.

[@Toshibaclovis]

Really dislike the fact that you guys hate on Star wars anymore. Take your channel back to what it was in the beginning. You're traveling down the dark path like Star wars theory. I can't even watch his videos anymore.

[@InvUnk]

I dont think the Thread is what destroys Star Wars its just another concept in the Force Star Wars has been destroyed for years and maybe more so-called fans will wake up when in the season finally Mae is killed and Osha Says "Mae the Force Be with You" it's coming.. watch the episodes so far it has not been said

[@mushjul]

Some of the issues I am seeing with this series comes from the story telling itself. The viewer is deliberately denied information that would normally inform the viewer so that they could know if the decisions characters make are good, bad, or indifferent and why. So now we as the viewer have to make these wild guesses. Given the lack of information re: Jedi concerns about this group training force users we have assume that the Jedi's fear that any one not trained under their rules might fall to the Dark Side and become a Sith. It always falls back to 'Fear.'

[@leeroyjustice3440]

Though I doubt it, there is certainly a chance this could actually turn out in a way most fans would be completely good with. The way the show has been pushed, marketed and executed…. Don’t think it matters at this point. I’m done watching it, and it’s not because of lesbian witches.

[@mrcat3493]

Sailor Naboo’s theory then begs the question; Where else do Zabraks have horns? That could be very painful.

[@joshuafears4123]

This is such a confusing show in all the worst ways. It isn't a murder mystery, we know who did it. It isn't a discussion on the nature of the force, it isn't about good vs evil. It feels like a series of and then events. And it isn't even interesting. The only questions the show makes me ask aren't ones it's going to answer. I though Jedi had an age limit what happened to that? I thought the reason for the age limit rule was because of attachments? What's the difference between these witches and the witches of dathamere? Why would any one care about a supposed rogue Jedi killing other Jedi? The Galaxy is a massive place why do they care about these witches. And with all the trillions of people born in the healthcare how and why would anyone assume only the Jedi train children. The thing that I find most frustrating is that there is no through line or consistency between any of the star wars shows. It feels like random stories being told that have no connection to anything that came before, and doesn't care about what comes after. I just don't get it

[@jaybeezy58]

all the homophobes are ticked off there's openly gay female characters shown lol & they've gotta disguise their disgust. It's pretty amusing honestly

[@samuel_boivin]

You can say "you *have to* let us test them, with your permission" as a simple plea... It's not a command at all here. She tries to convince the witch to have the kid's wishes considered here and bring her to allow the Jedi to do their thing. No issue here, when you dont get all panicked like y'all are obviously feeling.

[@LordZolric]

The show is absolutely horrible, bad writing, directing and the acting isn't very good either. The Acolyte can't end and disappear soon enough.

[@HuhNeat]

Naboo’s theories and Thor’s reactions to them reminds me of the convos around LOST, where a lot of the fun was in forming theories between episodes. Thor seemed to be excited by some of it so it surprises me when he says he would’ve tapped out. Unrelated, does it seem strange that Torbin apparently went from padawan to master in less than 6 years? Maybe a reward for a cover up?

[@Kevin_Street]

Thanks for the new video! I really enjoyed listening to Naboo's speculations. She has some ideas on the origin of the twins that are really out there and interesting. I'd like this show to throw us some interesting twists, but I have a feeling the witches, and in particular Mother Aniseya, will be portrayed as innocent victims. As for the fire, I'm partial to the idea the Sith we see in episode one was present on that planet sixteen years ago. He may have started the fire as part of a scheme to get himself a new apprentice.

[@ilikepokemans54]

Cant be for sure cause I haven't watched it and never will, but these witches seem to be self centered, prideful, and view the force as something to be dominated or controlled and that just screams dark side, add the fact they were manipulating the force to create children which is unnatural. There's just no doubt about it, they can say they're good and misunderstood but they are still darksiders and honestly seems like lesiey headlands ideologies shoved down out throats that sith/darkside is good and Jedi/lightside is bad

[@wolvewick4414]

they give context, i think, the witches uses dark force and to some people that seems unnatural. they mentioned this on episode. and on episode the witches are painted like good people, what if they dark force and magic users and dont get corrupted by the dark side, maybe this why the jedis are concern and spying. this episode have cool concepts but i think they executed badly. and some cringe musical scene, but i dont think this is the worst thing star wars. for worst boba fett and obiwan series for sure. ah and i think the jedis maybe try help after seen the fire, but the witches think jedis start the fire and they fight and jedis end up killing the witches, maybe that why this 4 jedis are feel guilty.