Three Houses, Two Tier Lists, One Hour: Mekkah and Rengor Talk 3H Units

[@Mekkkah]

well F I actually put effort into editing this only for a cropping error to ruin like half of it taking this down and reuploading it will just get it surpressed by the algorithm though so the podcast version will have to do im afraid :(

[@Rengor1997]

really puts that opening quote in a new light huh

[@unr3markabl393]

its not that bad kinda use it as a podcast anyway

[@vaximillian9460]

People use these as anything other than podcasts?

[@raputha1148]

i laughed out loud at the "well, C, actually" so you have redeemed yourself

[@Salron_]

can't you just keep this video up and separately upload a fixed version?

[@hassio8620]

I like how KZbin subtitles recognise "dodgetanking" as *Dutch tanking*

[@naiRISE766]

Even funnier knowing Mekkah is Dutch.

[@AZbyNite]

Being able to resist the Dutch is important too.

[@Rengor1997]

Yall really should play Library of Ruina though, it's a hidden gem of a game. Also mekkah, I'll have you know dodgetanking is my Ferdinand von Desire.

[@NoctSwift]

That's pretty Ferdinand von Dire if you ask me

[@ENSilLettore]

Oh wow, had no idea Lobotomy Corporation got a sequel, thanks!

[@lagspike7763]

Don't talk about Claud!Lester around these parts ever again

[@Arc_ride]

Play it but for the love of god don't skip the prequel without at least giving it a shot first.

[@Rengor1997]

@@Arc_ride Eh ruina does a rly good job of recapping Lobotomy for those who havent played it cuz the devs expected a lot of people to not have played it. Lobotomy aint everyone's cup of tea.

[@iliosfromfireemblemthracia2558]

Good seeing how far Ignatz has come ever since the game was released. He has gone from being thought of as trash all around to being considered the best of mid tier.

[@shirounshiroun7555]

Ya my boy has so much utility

[@Sashitoge]

"Low str archer" probably made people biased against him due to how that archetype has worked in the past, also the extra accuracy is far less useful in hard than in maddening

[@mattm9040]

I'm only on my second run of the game and first run of Golden Deer, but I have found Ignatz very useful. I'm surprised people thought he was so bad...I think people usually equate low str to an automatically bad unit. His super reliable hit rate makes him great for chipping or finishing enemies off from long range. However, I would only run with 1 other low damage dealing unit when deploying Ignatz. One rounding or one-shotting with combat arts feels so valuable in this game. I haven't played maddening yet though so my strats might not hold up in that difficulty. I'm playing hard/classic.

[@p0oka261]

@@mattm9040 I think the issue is in hard and normal you're better off with shamir. Her dex is pretty high and she can get hit +20 so she doesn't struggle with accuracy but she does more damage and comes with a higher bow rank. But on maddening he's amazing especially since his hit+20 affects gambits

[@aleisshiki3649]

Ashe, however, just keeps sinking down the tiers :c

[@patrickanderson6367]

Rengor beginning with a prequel meme. This is where the fun begins!

[@Besh091]

im not high iq enough to understand ferdinand.........im going to ferdinand von retire

[@UltaFlame]

No, my friend! You must become Ferdinand von inspired!

[@xuanathan]

@@UltaFlame I ferdinand von blocked the white dragon reinforcements on turn 1

[@zachm9964]

Your situation looks Ferdinand von dire

[@UniGya]

Surely this isn't what you Ferdinand Von Desire?

[@tigercors3308]

Can't believe you left out the most important thing for why dimitri is better than edelgard, he can hit damage cap which is a very useful thing and never is pointless overkill

[@noukan42]

We need superbosses in Fire Emblem. Change my mind

[@JaDX243]

@@noukan42 apotheosis was kinda that

[@cartooncritic7045]

@@noukan42 You could say The Wind Caller and The Immovable are superbosses in that you need to meet certain requirements in order to even see them at all, and they're harder than most other bosses in 3H.

[@noukan42]

@@cartooncritic7045 they are regular bosses. Superboss are things like the Weapons in FF. I mean some monstruosity whit 1000+ HP that throws those Ashera explosions every turn and do other bullshit. Something that require you to optimize an endgame party in order to stand a chance.

[@cartooncritic7045]

@@noukan42 Yes I’m familiar with the concept, I’m just saying that the monster fights in the Paralogues are the closest thing we have to such battles in FE.

[@domicraft6341]

When someone says Berni is bad in early game they clearly haven't played Black Eagle Maddening yet. She is such a save source for damage.

[@domicraft6341]

@Merciless Freak She can definitly generate good damage. You have to watch out that she doesn't die but in the end it's always good to have save (huge chunks of) damage in maddening.

[@Nubbletech]

I have only played hard mode so my opinion barely counts, but I found her to be the most useful in the early game.

[@jonathanichirochia4381]

Chapter 5 she doesn’t have enough hit to reliably vengeance death knight, even with rally dex by Ferdi (~50 hit with training/iron lance). If u play around with it and some luck, throw one or two gambits first (Dorothea rally charm), she one shots death knight. Sylvain’s Knightkneeler at that point only drops DK’s hp by half. You can reliably drop Bernie’s hp to 1 with the first archer infront of DK too. From that point, no unit comes close to Bernie’s one shot potential on BE, plus her long range chip potential. The only thing is being mindful of not putting her in danger.

[@resistancearmy5385]

@@domicraft6341 I'm pretty sure merciless freak is just a troll. I've seen him post garbage takes all over three houses videos.

[@zunkgrass2341]

@@jonathanichirochia4381 First off, Death Knight is in chapter 4 and 6. Second, it’s easy to bait him off his avoid tile if you have a unit with 14 AS (kinda hard on Black Eagles without rally speed, but if you level Petra she should get to 14 speed by chapter 4). Knightkneeler is also a great way to kill the death Knight, you just need some chip from gambits and to take advantage of free damage (Sylvain and Leonie’s personal abilities, putting Hilda adjacent on Golden Deer, etc.)

[@SolunaPiano]

Sheesh, this man basically has a PhD in Three Houses at this point with his level of knowledge.

[@LAZERAK47V2]

One point I feel like I should bring up is that, while you can build Dedue as a Wrath/Vantage War Master, I find that Balthus is a better candidate for that. Not only is he a free recruit (for all houses, rather than being BL restricted), he has a Boon in every weapon that is required for that build (Swords, Axes and Brawling). His personal also kicks in when he reaches lower health thresholds, making him hit harder and take less physical damage.

[@ilyshion2047]

Are you making fun of Ferdinand Stans? Beware their Ferdinand Von Ire...

[@gameboyn64]

I'll say this about raging storm. In my current crimson flower run, I didn't get any Agarthium until ch 16 so it wasn't very spamable at all.

[@synomuumi]

Rengor's Rick and Morty rant almost broke me lol

[@vaximillian9460]

“Bernadetta goes brrrrr” more like Brrrrrnadetta

[@zunkgrass2341]

I think the reason they made Wyvern Rider only require C Flying is because they felt bad for males that don’t have a flying option prior to Wyvern Rider. Paladin and Fortress Knight are both progressions from Intermediate classes, Cavalier and Armored Knight respectively, so that’s how they justify having a B requirement. Regardless, this makes it ridiculously easy to get a unit on a Wyvern, especially one that comes with a lot of axe investment already, such as late recruits like Alois, Gilbert, and SS/Late game Hilda

[@MrCactuar13]

One issue a lot of people neglect to mention about dodge tank Ferdinand is that if he so much as levels up in the middle of combat, then he has an incredibly high chance of screwing himself over with an HP growth. So basically to make use of dodge tank Ferdinand, you need to go out of your way to make sure he doesn't kill anything. At which point you might as well send in someone with Impregnable Fortress because you're accomplishing practically the same thing, with the added benefit of being more reliable against enemy gambits.

[@ImpalaKnight]

The wierd thing about anna: in ever single incantation of her besides 3h, she magic focused and can use staves at some point giving her an instant niche, in 3h her spell list is irrelevant considering that there are better units who do her job better she isn't bad, nobody in 3h is really bad, but she is irrelevant

[@cartooncritic7045]

I would argue that her not having any supports or Linked Attack bonuses makes her an actually bad unit.

[@zanis_summers8284]

I’m surprised to see her over Mercedes on both lists by quite a large margin - though I’ve yet to play on higher difficulties

[@kirbymastah]

"Is Ferdinand von Aegir overrated?" - NEVER

[@Rengor1997]

Yknow if you overrate him enough it'll cause an overflow and cause him to end up below Anna.

[@kirbymastah]

@@Rengor1997 F

[@MarceloKatayama]

@@kirbymastah Double pun!

[@MarceloKatayama]

@@Rengor1997 Yeah, 257 points is a very reasonable benchmark for Ferdinand to reach.

[@PallaEmblem]

I think rengor is really failing to note the rather large availability difference between Dimitri and Edelgard. Dimitri exists in roughly 11 more maps than her which is actually massive (Dimitri's availability is about 35% higher). Now some of these maps are very trivial kill boss maps like C11 but Edelgard misses Turtle, Ferd/Lys, Death Knight, and C14(non-CF) which are some of the most difficult maps in the game (I'd argue the only comparable maps on CF are C16 and 17). I think he's also overstating how much better Edelgard really is in the early game and underselling how much better than her Dimitri (And Claude) are during the mid game (7-11). The lord of your route regardless is the most essential unit during the early game if you want efficient clears so even if Edelgard is performing mildly better it's not by much. Peg access really doesn't help her much. I don't think if Dimitri had peg I would ever make him one, archer is the superior class during the mid game and all 3 have access to it. There are enough movement options in the game that a foot locked lord can kill any boss. Edelgard's lack of Wrath is killer during chapter 7-11 which doesn't just include the main maps but also the rout paralogues. Edelgard and Byleth rely on getting rather high stats to remain relevant combatants in routs(Which is totally worth making happen don't get me wrong) while Claude and Dimitri can have mediocre stats and still perform at LTC pace. They're just way more cost effective units. Also for the record about kill boss maps. Battalion wrath is also good on those maps. You gambit the boss and then kill him on the following EP(C16 on non CF is the only time you can't do this). Not that I think being good on a kill boss map in this game is worth noting but Dimitri definitely isn't bad on those maps. For Dimitri's low skill and luck issues, I don't think that's quite as big of a deal compared to what B.Vantage nets him when it comes to reliability. When you create units on non BL's routes to replicate Dimitri you have to settle for normal vantage which requires your HP to be low. This gets you in a nasty situation where missing = death. If Dimitri whiffs he's perfectly fine because he goes into these encounters at full hp. This also means he doesn't take the initial battalion hit that everyone else has to take so his battalion isn't going to randomly break either. Personally I don't think this argument over who is better is really worth debating heavily since the three lords don't exist on the same route so comparing them is like asking if Seth or Sigurd is the better unit. Either way the real crime is what you guys did the Claude. Claude >>>>>> F!Byleth. F!Byleth is smelly >:(.

[@Rengor1997]

> while Claude and Dimitri can have mediocre stats and still perform at LTC pace. I can see this argument for Dimitri but Claude straight up has his Battalion Wrath at Authority A which a regular player isn't going to rush down that hard. You have to remember this isn't under a context where we rig instructs or commit atrocities in the monastery just to squeeze out that prof level and tutoring WEXP. As for Dimitri for him to even make a difference for The Face Beneath for an LTC compared to Bernadetta on SS he required to have a str benchmark of 57. I think the author of the AM Maddening LTC (interested parties know who) put it the best when they said how after that LTC they despised dimitri and would pick Edelgard any day of the week. Hell if you look at the SS LTC you can see Bernadetta honestly outperforming what Dimitri did in the AM LTC - so bernadetta tip tier ofc. As for Claude vs Female Byleth honestly that one for me can go either way in placement.

[@PallaEmblem]

@@Rengor1997 I don't like the "regular player" argument cause a "regular player" gets their dancer killed every other map. Rushing A authority on Claude is definite worthwhile and way better than his other options. I agree with wexp rigging, and I don't consider it when talking about units. I mean I hate some units as well after LTCing with them :P. Dimitri for true LTC requires a lot of micromanaging so it's entirely understandable. A 2 turn clear of Face Beneath is not what I have in mind for rating units because the benchmarks are too high but a 3 turn clear is improved a lot by having a reliable EP unit which Dimitri provides. Again I consider Dimitri a tier above other B.Wrath users in the post skip maps because B.Vantage provides so much more reliability than regular vantage. Bern (And any other wrath user) can also be really good on those maps but they have issues you have to work around that Dimitri doesn't.

[@aprinnyonbreak1290]

Question: Should Edelgard (and Hubert) have Silver Snow count against them? Since they are either not being invested in and underperforming for part 1, or else are spiriting investment away from other units once they leave.

[@PallaEmblem]

@@aprinnyonbreak1290 So like I don't like docking them for SS but considering how this tier list docks Caspar for underperforming on BE then they probably should. This is kinda why I don't like tiering all the routes together. (Though I also get making like 4 lists wouldn't be ideal for Mekkah either). It's worth noting that they are still pretty strong on SS so I don't think it'd change their ratings much.

[@woodrowhearting2757]

I actually did try Catherin as a war cleric in part two because I wanted to see how she would do in a class that used her brawling boon. It was actually pretty good because she quadruples a lot of enemies with darting blow and can one round a lot because of deathblow and fistfare. Not having fierce iron fist or warmaster stuff still prolly makes her worse then most male brawlers, but I was still pretty impressed. (I did it on Azure Moon Maddening btw)

[@dddmemaybe]

39:30 So for Catherine she's fast enough that you can back-class her to just Brigand with the exp gem and put her both her skill goal and duo-class to flier without any large pains for your early game overall. Especially since without using her you would actually get combat exp to some otherwise valuable scaling units, on some of the more sane maps in the game outside of surprise rounds.

[@TheRollingStone11]

Finally: Dorothea given the credit she deserves. Thanks Rengor!

[@darklight6921]

meteor and thesaurus

[@rhettmitchell]

@@darklight6921 yes, a thesaurus

[@mousefire777]

Love this video series! Just seeing you talk shop with other smart fire emblem players is brilliant, could listen for hours

[@deatherage9458]

Imagine doing swift strike or dodge tank Ferdinand. This comment was made by assassin Ferdinand.

[@Gstrikerz]

Rengor was probably too 'hihg' when he made this tierlist. However I do agree with it. Excellent job guys!

[@msterforks]

42:20 - When did the community stop attributing obtaining items to a unit's contributions on a tier list? The GBA games are well-known for this (ie thieves, Sophia's guiding ring, etc).

[@BurningFyre]

When it stopped being a big issue. How much does it cost you to have chest ans door keys in your inv, which you can buy between every map now?

[@jamesfitzgerald8267]

Honestly in this game, you can use anyone and do fine with how customizable it is, the game is so fun to play with and do challenges with because of this.

[@robbylawlor4259]

Love the vibe of these videos, feels like a Fire Emblem podcast

[@MetaDash]

this was a fun watch! Between rengor memeing but also his deep knowledge of 3H, he's always a good cohost. also funfact, I tried an Anna solo but made the mistake of picking Silver Snow, Rhea too tanky ;)

[@dddmemaybe]

1:03:40 Raphael can actually use Wild Abandon(only males are him and caspar) with hit/crit stacking (goneril valkyries maybe) to 100% crit from warmaster without wrath or battalion wrath, at least on player phase output. The same combat art also adds 10 raw damage onto raphael's strength +killer axe's damage so it's a guaranteed oneshot with 3x crit.

[@steve2242]

Big tier list hype!

[@jjilatt123]

I'm curious about Bernie, how do people usually build her? I've never tried her out before but her being rated so highly here makes me curious.

[@Mekkkah]

I made a WAIFU (read: analysis) video on Bernadetta, that'll tell you all you need to know and more!

[@CristianLopez-lu5ce]

Rengor is like an encyclopedia for 3H😂

[@Dragonite43]

Having played through Hard/Classic, (CF as Female Byleth) Ferdinand, to me, was a little better than Sylvain. However, overtime, Sylvain started to even out and be even better than Ferdinand by the end. By the time I got to the end of the game, Slyvain being a Dark Knight was better than Ferdinand being a Great Knight. The enemies had higher defense than they did resistance. In other words, magic was much more important than defense, unless the enemy had a barrier to protect than from magic.

[@Arkholt2]

When it comes to Anna, I'm certain there was some kind of miscommunication at Intelligent Systems about her release. There's no way she was originally supposed to be the paid DLC and Jeritza was supposed to be the free one. They must have gotten them mixed up somehow, but by the time they realized their mistake it was too late. I can't believe I paid money for Anna.

[@Nubbletech]

Jeritza is kind of important for the story (or at least shows up). Anna only appears in her shop. I think Jeritza should have been available pre DLC. It makes sense how Jeritza is non paid DLC and Anna is just a nice little bonus.

[@Arkholt2]

@@Nubbletech I guess in most games a character having story importance and being a good unit would be a hook the company would use to get you to buy the DLC. I would pay money for Jeritza in a heartbeat. I wouldn't have paid for Anna if I had known how bad she is.

[@Miguel-bd6xq]

Jeritza gang

[@Nubbletech]

@@Arkholt2 Wait, can you buy Anna without buying the rest of the DLC?

[@CyclonSilver]

Nah, Anna being a paid unit is probably meant to be irony. Plus Jeritza kinda has to have way more strict availability for plot reasons.

[@brandonbaxley25]

The only reason I beat maddening with no new game+ was because I went WL Ferdie and just dodged tanked with him to bait out everything. Avoid battalion, dismount in forest with a light weapon, dancer buff and alert stance + on top of his personal. I legit had 0 chance to be hit against most if not all enemies. Including Rhea in both maddening playthroughs.

[@NME_SV]

9:55 best and most insightful part imo

[@lanceareadbhar]

I was confused by Rengor's because it started with a brunette girl and scrawny boy.

[@BurningFyre]

It took me so long to realize its kid Edie and Dimi

[@mythcommunication3220]

For anyone wondering the music at the beginning is Tiphereth Battle from Library of Ruina

[@tonymack]

Thank you Rengor Dorothea was too low.

[@arronk3]

My petra is a dodge tank one woman army Mostly, enemy assassins and end game bosses are the things that kill her because other units need stat boosters :(

[@MarceloKatayama]

Zoran will be here? Nice!

[@ZeltArruin]

I made a dodge tank Ferdinand who carried my BE run on his back. Despite that, he still wasn't great.

[@runaway74]

21:36 I actually just found that video today when looking for the Dimitri weed-eating dialogue

[@MasterJP28]

I agree with Rengor, Claude possesses the Valkyrie Staff which automatically makes him S Tier territory. 🙌

[@GobaGNon]

God this is total vindication of this one debate I had with someone like last year who was arguing that Ashe was better than Ignatz. Ooooh I was right random guy who totally forgot about that debate! Suck on that!

[@Nubbletech]

Ashe better than Ignatz? Which unsophisticated kind of idiot would say things like that. Unbelievable!

[@moltz4866]

25:15 Oh damn that SS Immaculate One strat is wack. Also in my last playthought I swear Dedue autoleveled like 5 levels in maddening after the last update when he returned in Part 2. Can anyone confirm if that's the case and I didn't just imagine it?

[@thatonecanto]

he auto levels 4 levels during the timeskip

[@isaiah204]

He's one of two students that I know of to auto level 4 levels timeskip

[@moltz4866]

@@isaiah204 Really? Who's the other student?

[@hajoeijgenraam295]

@@moltz4866 he appears to be wrong according to my source. Perhaps lorenz and ashe on routes where they don't join immediately

[@EdgyProtagonist]

I'm so happy to see Dorothea go up!

[@resistancearmy5385]

@Merciless Freak How?

[@dddmemaybe]

3:47 Color me impressed. (this was after hearing the last ~30 seconds)

[@GateMasterGreen]

Me sitting here having built the dodgetank Ferdinand exactly because the phrase of "a lot of investment to break the game." (We shall raid the holy tomb and soft reset every stat item for SPEED and STRENGTH and DEXTERITYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY. IN THAT ORDER! LET MINE ENEMIES CRUMBLE) That said, having built it, unless you are trying to break the game like that, not worth it. T-T It takes so much time... Basically did the item resets and rushed promotions to get the growths to try and do it as best I could

[@dspac1760]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/pJTXoJWjabapgJY For azure moon endgame, you can also abuse seiros shield hapi to make the boss prioritize attacking hapi/dimitri (once he enters the middle room) to keep all your squishy units safe from the snipes.

[@Rengor1997]

Yeah but most people I think are aware with that strat so I didnt mention it and even then I heard some people say their Hapi still faced crit OHKO chances whereas with Hoarfrost the strat literally cannot fail. It was something I considered when rating her tho.

[@generalgarchomp333]

Wait a second Library of Ruina music?! Nice!

[@kadenelson1469]

Rangor coming in and boosting up my black eagles! Except Ferdinand lol

[@pepeelghetto1231]

And then there´s me putting sylvain leonie and shamir at top tier and the 3 lords + byleth one tier below lol

[@joho4430]

Rengor and mekkah video: broke Library of ruina music in this video: woke

[@jaimereupert4247]

Yeah, unfortunately found out the hard way about those 3 units and their B rank supports. 😩😡 Now I have to get the proficiency skill up to get them. Lance, Heavy Armor and Brawling.

[@personontheinternet1981]

Here we go again. There is no way that some people won't blow up for rating someone too low or too high again. Absolutely no way whatsoever. I agree with this tier list more. Mind you I don't quite agree with Hilda being so high, but yeah, I mostly actually agree with this. Weird.

[@Alex-rr5kb]

Now I'm curious about builds for each character... 🤔

[@rhettmitchell]

Where the fuck did he pull that Ferdinand speech from lmaoooo

[@jordanrhodes1830]

I was actually beginning to wonder if you’ve done a 3H tier list. Well look no further i will 😊

[@fumeknightofshovelry3901]

Nothing about Constance?

[@mafiousbj]

I know wanna know the meaning of the Koei Tecmo meme related the Three Houses. I know they helped develop the game so maybe they F**ed up something along the way

[@ckrow123]

Flayn actually makes a decent valkyrie , tho tbf half the units in 3h make decent valkyries bc its just such a solid class

[@Metetron]

Seeing some of my most valued units (BL HM) in C tier... Yuri is a dodge tanking GOD and I think he has the current highest stat total in my team. He's the guy I drop in the middle of 5 enemies and he'll survive while killing most of them on enemy turn. Anna fills a similar role, crits and dodges for days. She was at her best mid game but post time skip her STR starts falling behind. Still very reliable as long as I pay a bit more attention where I deploy her. Ignatz is my other assassin and compared to Anna he is way weaker.

[@amanita8397]

Windsweep and deadeye with poison strike makes Yuri best chipper.

[@teleshar]

I love Rengor

[@Azari64]

It's funny how biased I am against Ferdie, since I've tried using him on 3 maddening playthroughs and he's been stat screwed on 2 of them

[@mvjbass9561]

Adv class stats + swift strikes is often enough to mitigate bad growths. His stats in general are pretty bad though until level 20.

[@mekudu-man3804]

Dedude is really good as a War Master with Pavise.

[@MaadhatsOnTwitch]

Mercedes and Dorothea being in C tier bothers me Edit: Yes they fixed Dorothea but Mercedes being the best healer should make her higher

[@hamiltonwilkerson8979]

I think I accidentally made my Sylvain in my first run a doge tank, a swear it was impossible to hit him

[@yamiookami]

Bicker about mid-low tier units while Petra solos the game on screen

[@colgado693]

Imagine saying Bernardetta doesn't have an early game. Lmao. Easiest to proc and keep ability. Yall definitely are trolling.

[@connorstanton2567]

That's a thicc tier list

[@606hunter1]

The only thing on this list I'm 100% sure no one can disagree on is Ashe's spot on the list.

[@aprinnyonbreak1290]

I think Anna actually gets you more money than Ashe saves, and you don't even have to use her to get it.

[@Nubbletech]

Are you serious?

[@sippysoup9922]

@@Nubbletech yes

[@comfy-pajamas]

i actually love ashe and he was one of the only people i recruited my first playthrough sooo

[@redwings13400]

Ashe is my strongest unit right now in my BL maddening playthrough... Though honestly that may be because I'm limiting myself to one Wyvern Rider because I want to experiment with other classes, and I decided to level him up to it.

[@baqirparkinson411]

Is it just me, or is it Caspar time?

[@runaway74]

Choopin out rn

[@duetopersonalreasonsaaaaaa]

The predecessor to "Is it Claude time?"

[@silvertam911]

yo the LoR music

[@rhettmitchell]

Not y’all dissing best healer Mercie at the end

[@GoldLink364]

Hello there.

[@gratedshtick]

General Kenobi!

[@Xsksnssjccxghb]

Library of Ruina BGM😳

[@tommcann1]

I know it has an element of luck, and every character can be decent in FE3H, but I have never once in 1000 hours and about 20 playthroughs ever got Shamir or Catherine to level up enough to be able to use in the late game. While clearly my Ashe is broken as I can use him has a rider, archer, or mage and he kicks arse even with just 2 crap spells

[@prototipolq-84i46]

Lol Catherine te sale mal pero Ash está broken? Debe ser un trolleo

[@marshieswag5544]

Bruh they hella underrate hapi

[@darklight6921]

hes right. build an army. trust nobody

[@EdwardoFE]

swift strike good slow strike bad

[@runaway74]

Alondite Mist

[@tonymack]

Hapi quite good in the main game too.

[@excalibur2772]

Ferdinand's strength is not as bad as Ingrid's like a couple levels and Ferdinand crushes Ingrid by strength

[@Mekkkah]

Ferdinand's got 45%, Ingrid 35%. By level 11 you can expect Ferdinand to gain one point over her. Not exactly crushing. Noble/Fighter/Brigand/Wyvern Ferdinand has 21 str at level 20. Ingrid has the exact same using the same class path. Or if she goes Pegasus Knight it's still the same because of Wyvern Rider's minimum class stats.

[@elgatto3133]

Ferdinand does not actually have very much strength, although he benefits quite heavily in that department from his guaranteed levels.

[@excalibur2772]

Manuela two tiers above Hanneman???

[@Aerynnh]

I think bernie is better than all the other archers but her sharing a tier with Shamir and Lysithea is very strange to me. Could you perhaps explain? The hero's relic argument I get to a point. However items like thyrsus are objectively better on lysithea and no one uses it better than her. Sure you could trade it around if you use other mages. Which chances are you wont since physical classes are favored most of the time. I personally keep it on lysithea because why would I trade it to someone else when she uses it better other than to maybe chip something. Which I really dont need if I use archers with their like 6 range. So I guess it really depends on your playstyle but I personally think that items like thyrsus should be counted toward Lysithea because it is literally made for someone with her crest. Not by much though because you're right about it being great on some other mages like hubert, annette and dorothea. (This applies to lorenz as well but to a lesser degree because he's fucking bad.)

[@mvjbass9561]

I think Rengor explains it well in the video he made on his 3H tier list, but in short Good early game due to her personal giving her 13 Str, comes with Curved Shot at base and E+ Lance & boon means she'll have Tempest Lance for Ch2 Vengeance by Chapter 4 giving her the quickest access to reliable orkos in the game (tied with Dedue at least) Is Female, so has access to early flight - Pegasus Knight (unlike other Vengeance users) Her utility matched with her orko potential is what separates her from other damage nukes, with her bow combat arts curved shot and encloser (encloser can be really useful on beasts, especially the golems). Since Vengeance damage is so high she doesn't really miss Lancefaire so Bow Knight allows 4 range Encloser. Some also like going Holy Knight for Physic and Rescue, personally it's way too much investment for my liking but its there. Auto-levels bow & lance ooh, can also be recruited in ch5 for D Axes to help mitigate her bane. Battalion Wrath so also has enemy phase utility if paired with Vantage. I don't personally like it as keeping your battalion health at

[@comfy-pajamas]

why does nobody like ashe 😰

[@jorantheamazing]

We all know that 2(tier lists) + 1(hour) = 3 and thats how many houses there are therefore it is a joke L a u g h

[@JosepiThe13th]

This tier list: Flayn is meh. My Flayn: Had 60 Mag by endgame as a Gremory, no stat bonus items used. Also this tier list: Ashe is bad. My Ashe: Literally carried me through all of Blue Lions.

[@geran4473]

She just got screwed over with shitty offensive spells, otherwise she'd place higher.

[@666Kaca]

They take average stats and efficiency into account.

[@afgcinc7206]

It happens, I think part of the charm of 3H is that in general you have a plan for maddening, but the RNG can force you into a new plan. For example my first few runs I always did dodgetank/mage killer Falcon Knight Ingrid, until I my 3rd run where she somehow got speed screwed (along with the usual strength screwed), and because of that I discovered how good Falcon Knight Leonie is. Which then also led me to discover that Ingrid is the most optimal frontline Dancer, due to her charm, speed, and boons.

[@666Kaca]

@@afgcinc7206 id argue that yuri is a better frontline dancer

[@DoggyP00]

I guess im the only one who thought chapter 7 on maddening was one of the easier chapters. Not that ive played it on 0% or anything

[@DC-yx9vk]

One of the hardest ones to actually "lose" cos of the pseudo casual mode and the sheer fact that you actually viably let everyone kill each other if you really wanted to. But as soon as you try and increase efficiency on that map, it becomes harder. I still think it's one of the easiest maps in the game if you're just considering the ability to mess it up, but the high enemy stats does make a difference when playing efficiently (and LTC too I guess, the LTC clears of that map are insane)

[@rhettmitchell]

BRUH why aren’t y’all using the DLC characters in the main game?? Constance is seriously so overpowered and makes every map a fucking breeze with her rescue range and her crest proccing for bolting giving you like 6 uses in a single map when classed as warlock or gremory. Those ballistas have no chance against her

[@TriAzF]

I'm fairly certain he didn't buy the DLC but I could be mistaken

[@dylan0358]

Mdr Dorothea. C'est mon perso préféré, et elle est vraiment forte =-=

[@hanzou1238]

No matter how many arguments I hear in Dedue's favor I just never see the Benefit to using him. Yes he has good defense early game but most times you only need to take 1 hit and both Felix and Dimitri can do that well enough (and after watching this I can add Sylvain to that list). Also I find that Balthus makes him irrelevant since Dedue loses his player phase to get extra defense while Balthus not only keeps his player phase but also deals much more damage with 12 extra while using gauntlets. Plus Balthus needs less investment for ranks and levels since he is recruited at level 3 and he is also usable in all 4 routes rather than just 1 (Plus he has higher availability on the BL Route).

[@Nubbletech]

He is cool. That's the only argument I need.

[@darklight6921]

vengeance. you dont have to invest much in units with that skill. so you can pour all the exp into byleth and dimitri. or any unit you like.

[@hanzou1238]

@@darklight6921 He will still need investment since he will heed to have high enough Hp to make it work well. Plus he will actually have to survive a round of combat without dying to make it work. I can feed anyone experience that I like if I put him on Dimitri as an adjutant then not only do I not have to invest in him past an intermediate seal but Dimitri also gets stronger.

[@hanzou1238]

@@Nubbletech We can agree to disagree on that one.

[@darklight6921]

@@hanzou1238 i might have to play blue lions route again but i had no trouble keeping bernie alive last time i played. gave her a knight adjutant.

[@sneedis9909]

Ferdinand is overrated as a combat unit but he is the best dancer in game. The point isn't to be strong on enemy phase, it's to dance in the middle of the battlefield. No one can stop the party.

[@afgcinc7206]

At full HP, maybe, but I'd argue Ingrid is better, because Swift Strikes Ferdinand is too good a delete button on maddening, if you're using him anyway, especially if his crest procs on either hit for no counter [which is why I always use Seteth as he has the same proc except major crest...no counter on bosses and monsters when it happens is so busted].

[@trashhorse7313]

10:12 for myself

[@kilkkilky6621]

Yooo Lor music

[@locmariox]

“Uhhhhh” “Uhh” “uhhh”..,,,uhhhhhhhh

[@ferintown6628]

B rank, take it or leave it

[@HonkHonkGoose776]

Rengor pog