Throne And Liberty Is Making All The Right Changes

Throne And Liberty is having an NDA beta test and I still think there is hope for this game, if only a little!
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[@kristiyankamenov]

TL already added more content for 4 months than NW for 3 years😂

[@heartless_gamer]

And TL is now in its 11th year of development. So I'd not be jumping up and down here.

[@jiggyspice6809]

And nw in it's 8th year ​@@heartless_gamer

[@kristiyankamenov]

​@@heartless_gamer No just behind TL are 400 devs working and behind NW 40. People want more content but they dont realize AGS cannot maintain their current content what about a new one. Game has content just its not updated or interesting. Corrupted breaches, arenas, trials, invasions and etc...

[@Z-MACx]

All you have to do is pay to reach max gear and join a P2W guild! Then you can create alliances with other P2W guilds and gatekeep valuable node spots and sieges. Don’t want to shell out money? just join one of the f2p guilds and get used to being steam rolled in every piece of PvP content. Sounds like fun right?

[@thenightingale7405]

I think the initial devs messed up new world. Seems like the code and engine so bad that it takes forever to do anything.

[@ItsMrO]

I have played since the KR release and I still play today and yes I can confirm the game is now in a MUCH better state then when it launched on Dec 7th. NCsoft continue to make good changes and also they are actually very fast at patching and adding changes to the game not to mention how transparent they are and to confirm yes there is now 2 star dungeons (Hard Mode) they have actually added a ton of PVE things to the game the next big update is going to have 2v2 / 3v3 & 6v6 PVP and then they will be opening a new zone of the map around July - August.

[@paabeatz]

Is Bow still as OP as in january? Or is the build balance better now?

[@ItsMrO]

@@paabeatz Bow is still strong but depends what content you are talking about for PVP Bow is good at large scale but not smaller scale and its still good in events but the king of single target DPS is Xbow / Dagger.

[@HadleyMarshall]

Still egregious pay to win though 🤷‍♂️

[@ItsMrO]

@@HadleyMarshall I have not spent any money and play the game fine as a F2P player it is what it is thats the business model I get to milk the whales by selling them all the gear so I dont really care.

[@jamzbraz]

@@HadleyMarshall It's p2w, but not as bad as in other games.

[@VictorGaleskas]

They add a group finder in less than 6 months while NW takes over 2 years to release as a “major update”…

[@Z-MACx]

People are quitting KR T&L in droves…

[@reapersasmr5483]

Holy crap the queue is 15,000 deep ...

[@eRasedXem]

SO hyped for tomorrow fam! Not been this hyped since WoW dropped way back in 2003.... Hope it lives up to how it looks

[@XeqtrM1]

oh nice a og mmo player so you probebly play mmo how we used to back in vanilla not the rushing way and complain its not enough content

[@JediPoncho-ou4kc]

@@XeqtrM1i felt your comment so hard. Almost every game is a rush now to most of these people and i feel like that’s what ruins it. MMOs used to always be 90% journey, 10% end game. Now it’s 1% journey and 99% end game Ahem retail WoW

[@XeqtrM1]

@@JediPoncho-ou4kc that's for sure that's one of the main reason most people don't make alot of mmo anymore because people expect a fresh mmo to have ton of content at end game so they just Rush and you know the rest because of that MMOs get ruined that's probably one of the main reason Riot MMO scraped the game because of what happened to Blue protocol yes the game has costume gacha but you don't need that the rest of the game is good but as you expect people just Rush And people ruined the chance of the game so if a big studio as bandai can't do it basically none others can so it makes sense why Riot scraped the Riot MMO so I feel if this keeps up so when ff14 and wow dies so will MMO aswell eventually

[@paintspot1509]

The beta was a flop

[@JediPoncho-ou4kc]

@@XeqtrM1 Well MMOs won’t die. Their purpose might change. They’re still slamming other games in numbers. WoW is still one of the most played games in the world besides China. I’m pretty sure it’s in the top 3. No sign of dying out any time soon. But I agree, that’s why developers aren’t focusing on that anymore. I think it’s going to shift back towards the journey because players are getting sick of “end game” and it’s starting to show. I think the trend followers are the ones rushing. People focusing on the journey can still do so in a plethora of older mmos.

[@ChiiBomb]

Blue Protocol had an NDA when we did the NA tech test in November.

[@ZeroCool22]

We need "ARENAS PVP" like New World have for ppl who like low scale PVP!

[@XeqtrM1]

for sure i woud want 1v1 arena like in blade and soul that was pretty fun ofc 2v2 3v3 aswell so its arena for all kinds of players

[@lucianomarzano8444]

We need olympiads like arena ranked system, like the lineage 2.

[@Coldsilfur4]

Man what a bad taste.. real siege battles are RP.. they are immersive and feel real.. this arena PVP casual sh*t from WoW destroyed immersion for MMORPGs

[@Sonarkilla27]

Why did this game become NW refugee mmo

[@SynnTM]

The NDA is there because they will test the shop and we gonna see for the first time what it will be in EU.

[@paintspot1509]

They already told us the shop is the same.

[@FeelMyBicepp]

Even with p2w still better Devs than NW😂

[@Xixicoco878]

It looks so, but putting a P2W on the best endgame gear kinda ruins the fun for me.

[@Ad-op7mi]

Sad as it is i think we wont see this until next year also. Unless they drop it super fast after the global beta and beat the summer releases, they mostlikely wont want to try and compeat with FF, WoW expansions. So they either go before, or after the summer. That would make sense in my mind. But then again who knows what the higher ups at the company want and when they want to drop stuff normally demends on their books and fiscal shiz. I;m hoping Amazons beta is a stress test and we get i release before the summer whilst we all have nothing to play. Dropping next year wont help the numbers as most mmo players are going to be invested in wow or ff expansions.

[@escarretada]

I think they are heading Summer holydays , wow and ff14 don't matter to much since they are more pve focused, TL will be more focused in guilds so the majority of guilds will play anyway since wow and ff14 are basely single player games with some instanced content for groups...

[@allreli6943]

nah this is releasing in summer time at best.

[@XeqtrM1]

ff14 is june 28 and the war with in is in fall basickly between august and october so in my opinion if they ant release it before summer its better to w8 for 2025

[@XeqtrM1]

@@escarretada wow single player dam i guess you dont know much about wow so wow is a raid focus type game its pretty huge in pvp aswell atleast for arena but wow main focus is raids actully so defently not single player focus i mean no mmo focus on single player its part of the game yes but never main focus

[@XeqtrM1]

@@escarretada wow even has arena tournements also they have world first for clearing raids aswell and you cant solo raids

[@oAazo]

Boonstones are just standard territory captures. Riftstones are boss area captures and if you own the Riftstone you can do an extra Guild Raid each week

[@TamToucan]

I'm wondering if they don't want hype yet. Even though out in Korea many non-degen people won't have this on their radar.

[@ecosti]

And thats good cz what asian like we in the west dont , so its a win , this game is meant for west

[@Obtite]

this might be intressting, cause stuff like warloggers wont be a thing like in new world, and the incentive of making alts is decresed. cause you have to grind to maintain guild rank

[@tayalt2406]

I hope this game is good because NW is a completely mess right now. Tbh, seeing Trevzor and fenne in T&L discord made me scared they gonna ruin it.

[@sirkronix5274]

Every mmo is a mess

[@Tek21502]

It should be good I played early in Korea for about a month it was fun but lacking content so far they have made significant improvements added more dungeons and released hard mode dungeons that being said I don’t think the game will be higher than a 7/10 which is ok so at least it will be fun for 3-6 months

[@Dgamax]

Who are they ? trevzor and fenne ?

[@PhilipParchment]

If you're not a fan of PvP or find it challenging to keep pace, there are plenty of other activities to engage in within the game. Consider supporting your guildmates who excel in combat by crafting or supplying gear. Even without a pay-to-win feature, third-party marketplaces would likely still influence the community, as we've observed across various MMOs and, frankly, nearly all games these days.

[@mattt6201]

It’s a lot of fun so far on PS5. Feels good on controller too, despite my long history of pc mmorpgaming.

[@darwinb718]

looks interesting.. gonna check it out

[@bhoosted760]

Its a beautiful game. Combat is fun. Its still pay to win/progress. If you dont want to spend money or very little you are capped on gear progression unless you start dumping money into it. Or if you want to change to a new playstyle or weapons you already put your resources in another and have to dump money or wait weeks to change.

[@starcadia6831]

I just got done playing the recent beta. And I definitely had some fun. Now when is it supposed to release

[@Spencer-i9w]

I have my code and downloaded it ready to go, 8pm uk time.

[@Xixicoco878]

"Cannot get best endgame gear without paying real money."

[@anthonyjones8797]

I forced my way through the tutorial to the what I think is the open world. I am not being drawn to play it any further but will try to put in an hour or two. Maybe it gets better.

[@agentfisher2978]

as much as i didnt want this game, New world leaves no option other than to drop it

[@Z-MACx]

You’ll be back after the June announcement 😂

[@MrZarran]

first big problems in any pvp mmorpg is when big guilds or big alliance took over a server, this happens in Asheron's Call Darktide server, Shadowbane, and Darkfall. no mmorpg company had fix this problem yet. the second big problem is underpopulated server, GW2 WvW pvp system also fix this problem but like DAOC it placed limits in the game, but is it still fun to pvp, answer is yes. also, in GW2 big guilds or alliances (beta testing is ongoing right now) are not a problem. in the korean version I seen this the first ptoblem and it's causing lots of problems and they still have not fix it today. if this two problems are not solved, when this game released in the west, just like the games I mentioned this game will die fast. well, time will tell if ncsoft (or are they even asking for advice from the GW2 devs who have lots of experience in any pvp system and why they choose the system they have now to provide fairness and fun in a mmorpg games) will learn this lessons or not.

[@Zuraspl]

Thanks

[@ExcessumGaming]

Open world PvP being zergy. What a surprise. Honestly what people expect. Just look at New world or Eve online :D

[@dracul1838]

4:00 well it depens how much people you can have in a guild?and have you a cooldown if you want join another guild?because even if you have someone who only farm lets say 1000points per day and the other player do 3000+ even if you kick the 1000point player,you lose 1000 no matter what and if you cant get new player in your guild its not a win. But in the end we will have some top guild where you will have this pressure but there will be enough where this is not.

[@Rogerfoulger]

I got onto the Beta test, lets see what they will offer us in the west. Looking at content from streamers playing the Korean version there are big problems with part of the game (PVP large scale events and domant factions taking everything. Lets hope over the coming months they find a solution for that as it does look epic. That's coming from someone that doesn't like large scale PVP

[@ecosti]

U understand that streamers wull always cry about anything right ?! Ask l2 players that are playing for over 20 years same game

[@mattstansbeary3068]

Have fun I'm kept out of the Test.

[@XeqtrM1]

have fun in the game i didnt get inn

[@paintspot1509]

​@@ecosti I hope you have seen how much of a disaster the beta has been. Now maybe you might start to understand why this game will fail in the west.

[@ecosti]

@@paintspot1509 huh?! one of the best betas ever ?! wtf lmao xD

[@bonbarmandrink]

Game has a NDA because they dk how the reception would be. So to avoid game being dead before it even release, they take the opportunity to take feedbacks from the invested players to make it as good as possible. Its smart

[@victormontivero1998]

I believed NDA was becouse of console, KR launch did not include it and if console gameplay fells bad that will ruin the launch for global

[@Z-MACx]

Go back to your car simulators. As soon as the trend is to start trashing on TL, you’ll be the first one on board

[@thefactorycreek]

So Jay, I watch you stream....what will happen with NW when this launches?

[@Jet735]

You know what would be a great change? If they allowed the entire world in, not just western EU and America...

[@Jeepod]

See the NDA as a review embargo mostly. They just want things underwrap if changes aren't well received to not hurt their launch window. No biggy there and pretty much becoming a normal thing in the industry.

[@paintspot1509]

There are no changes

[@alecbaker13]

Nc soft always pulls off solid mmo’s since i was a kid. Hopefully amazon doesn’t wreck it but so far so good 👌🏻

[@sliimcracker]

amazon seems to be doing a decentish job with lost ark so

[@paintspot1509]

TL is terrible

[@sliimcracker]

@@paintspot1509 how so?

[@Freakzterx]

@@paintspot1509 I am loving it. Maybe you don't know what a good game is

[@OGParzoval]

Shame they cant be like Pax Dei and be open about the testing.

[@OlyPhoenix86]

Younger people don’t seem that interested in MMOs and the original MMO crowd is getting older. This seems like an MMO for no lifers and that is a dying breed.

[@cdiff07]

Younger people want to pwn face with each other in PvP, while older, traditional old school players, like me, want that mechanic heavy, social comradery PvE end game content where you get that feeling with your fellow guildies of accomplishment after progression raiding together as a guild for many wipes and you finally kill that end game boss!

[@OlyPhoenix86]

@@cdiff07 I don’t understand why MMOs can’t have both. I am 37 years old and most of these MMOs miss the mark.

[@cdiff07]

@RhosVelka you could not be more wrong, lmao!

[@OlyPhoenix86]

@RhosVelka The popularity has diminished significantly and the are more MMO refugees then ever before but it’s not entirely dead. I am personally just waiting for Ashes of Creation, Star Citizen, and PAx Dei. Till then I am going to focus more on real life things. All of these MMOs are not worth the time or money investment.

[@iansoliz1992]

I played the 1st time on Xbox. This time since I was given 2 keys, one for Xbox and the other for my computer. I’ll probably do the computer this time around.

[@HadleyMarshall]

How TF you playing when it’s not even live till tomorrow. Teerard 😂

[@XeqtrM1]

im exited for this game same with bp but to be fair in all mmos that r fresh if you rush it wil always not be enough content and rushers need to accept that you can rush but the game isent made for peaple that rush since its a minority thing

[@HK-xk9dx]

the combat in the beta last week was trash

[@eipebpeax]

I play in kr for one month or so and the p2w exist but could be overcome in few months of playing with the right group of friends. End game for this game is pvp, if they add guild vs guild pvp and arena pvp will be good. The only downside is the mass zerg pvp which is not appreciated for smaller guild who are not able to participate....Game is fine and will be underfire for 2 3 months after that will get stable by the people who love this type of MMO. If NCSOFT are not doing more P2W like they usually do game will be fine on long run :)

[@Z-MACx]

Ohhhh! So all I have to do is grind for months to keep pace with the whales that acquire everything in a matter of mins?? Well shoot! Sign me up!!

[@adry0927]

haha funny enough that when you are near to catch up new update/content will be added then your gap against whales will be widen so thats it, is it great isnt it lol

[@eipebpeax]

@@Z-MACx end of the game is pvp, you will get there on the whales in 2 months top, after that there are just pvp events and grind for money to pay for your death repairs :)

[@LAYL0Wb]

Cbt is not even live yet. -_-

[@FeelMyBack1998]

NDA coming cause of the cross platform testing bros.. It is normal they wanna check the balancing and everything that is necessary for the game to come out!

[@AmperVenture]

thwone of libty

[@Ad-op7mi]

tHrOnE oF LiBeRtY

[@blazeboy4314]

Gonna pass on this one

[@kaydog2096]

Aye bro can u shout out once human mmo survival thats currently in beta, i think its gunna be really good when fully released

[@Mordekaiserize]

Whoa whoa whoa u are telling people how this game is when u haven’t played it in months….. and didn’t hit endgame?!?!?!?! Wow click bait. Your opinions have no basis

[@jayoddity]

I've been following the news, I've read every patch update and dev diary, but I got purged and can't play....the basis is what changes the devs have made and what they said they will do. I need need to smell a turd to know I shouldn't eat it.

[@Gravesmasher23]

If the focus of the gameis PVP, then its DOA. MMORPG gamers are PVE as main focus.

[@ninehichem5037]

we need Pk in the open world like bdo :((

[@MrCwhitt75]

Can I play TL right now in the States?

[@yoshi3706]

not yet, maybe in EU soon but no USA yet

[@alisardius1577]

What a stupid way to organize pvp objectives. I think i give up on this. Why do they make everything a competition?

[@stg_104]

2:59 Did you really play play the game? 🤣

[@nurplepain3636]

Looks fun but have heard the game is completely P2W? Any truth or no?

[@jonasjonas5172]

it has some p2w elements but its not that bad tbh

[@XeqtrM1]

i do agree its p2w in a way but it been proven multiple times in TL that many f2p players been able to clear everything and been one of the top raiders in the but it just require more grinding thats all if you arent fan of grinding than yes its p2w if you dont mind than you shoud be fine

[@AmperVenture]

good video

[@BoMahdigameplayer]

i'll play the game until i hit the wall of paying to win and then i'll quit i'll take my enjoyment then quit or return if there is boost for return players

[@Trea-pl4xr]

Why even play a game if it's pay to win?

[@BoMahdigameplayer]

@@Trea-pl4xr is it p2w from the start or end end game ?

[@paintspot1509]

The problem is that the korean servers are essentially dead. If TL doesnt make money in the west (which is pretty unlikely that it will) then NC soft wont be putting much more dev work into it.

[@ecosti]

Funny that he jumped from shitting on the game that he never believed it to praising it , that i didnt expect. i guess anything for the views

[@Z-MACx]

Exactly. T&L is a dumpster fire. NCSOFT/AGS is trying desperately to save it

[@ecosti]

@@Z-MACx no thats not what i said , TL its trhe best mmo last 2 decades , just this youtuber is using the wave of hype or hate to jump on it to make content rather than having a legit opinion

[@paintspot1509]

​@ZMACxx there is no saving TL. The beta has been a disaster so far and the NDA has not stopped people sh1tting on the game.

[@ecosti]

@@paintspot1509 why u lying 😂😂😂😂

[@AJ_Stone]

Sadly as beautiful and decent the questing is, PVP sucks and it feels like a copy paste levelling system and PTW system like Lost Ark and many games like it. I won't be continuing on with it after it launches.

[@stevesutton2458]

If they make the game cross platform then I. Quiting immediately because I'm on Xbox and I'm not playing against boy farming players

[@eam2564]

NW content creator figuring NW is absolutely dead now they suddenly regret talking sht about TL so they can make videos of it, pathetic

[@jayoddity]

New World is not dead but it's not doing great. I am pretty happy with everything I said about TL. No regrets whatsoever.

[@paintspot1509]

TL is also dead.

[@pcpc1289]

Sadly trash publisher = dead game. Waiting for people to start cursing AGS for how terrible they run a game.

[@Ardie27]

I can wait for JUMP SHIP it's a space game inspired by Sea Of Thieves

[@paintspot1509]

Jump ship is pve only, which is a shame.

[@Ardie27]

@paintspot1509 might not be it's early and the dev said it's heavily inspired by Sea Of Thieves

[@raxzar]

Feels so generic. Game is mid

[@paintspot1509]

Beta was a flop

[@SrLennyMMO]

T&L would never be better than New World. The only MMO that could be the "Wow killer" that all people are waiting for is Ashes of Creation

[@tayalt2406]

New world is so messy right now that any game is better than it.

[@paintspot1509]

​@@tayalt2406 TL is also fundamentally broken.

[@bravexheart7]

Dune awakening will be the #1 mmo

[@Ad-op7mi]

WEll they just broke NW, plus its player numbers are = to dead. Cant be hard to beat that now can it xD ... PLus games dont need to be wow killers .. not everyone likes wow, games just need to be good and worth peoples time... not "kill" current games. Wtf is this stupid tribal mentality..... my games better than your game. Fucking baby.

[@escarretada]

@@bravexheart7 Dune will be more like Rust then an mmorpg what i like to

[@damnsurfer522]

Your definition of P2W is flawed IMO and bad for gamers.

[@jayoddity]

My definition is this: Paying for any competitive advantage in pvp.....I mean that's a simple one, but if I play against myself and one of me has payed and has better stuff and wins more by any %, it's pay to win.

[@jayoddity]

Easy to say what is flawed, harder to define.

[@damnsurfer522]

@@jayoddity The problem with dealing with P2W discussions is that there is no consensus of a definition on what it is. That being said my definition and the only one I go by is, "Any Advantage that can be achieved through RMT." Advantage Definition is, "A condition or circumstance that puts one in a favorable or superior position. There is a lot of Moving the goal posts in the P2W discussion through the years. People will use terms like, "pay to convince." or "P2W doesn't count in single player games." Guess what it's still P2W, time is an advantage, game genie is P2W. The Appeal to Tradition, also known as “argumentum ad antiquitam,” is a fallacy where an idea is assumed to be correct because it is correlated with some past or present tradition. It essentially says, “this is right because we've always done it this way. Guess what if those games fall under the definition I gave, they are P2W too!

[@jayoddity]

@@damnsurfer522 I know it's hard to define, for me competitive means pvp mostly because that's more competitive in general but p2w can exist in pve mmos because you can compete against others in leaderboards etc. Mine is sort of similar to yours but I think in game transaction rather than RMT as everything is susceptible to RMT. In theory you could pay the best player in the world to come and play for you and no one would know

[@FateLovely]

this game still looks pretty bad. Came a long way, but still bad. I don’t see this doing well at all in the west, especially with it being so hyper focused on pvp, and why can you zoom out so far? lmao

[@romance3214]

This game is trash because? You will know if you try it yourself.

[@michaelhoward6831]

Learn from mistakes and back away from AGS games lol

[@demonovMX]

sorry don't care , game is shit. bdo is still the best , combat is pure art

[@escarretada]

combat is pure art 1vs1 or 1vs mobs, when there is many player fighting bdo combat goes down to the worst combat... Is really great but not for mmorpg content

[@user-to5wn9mg9i]

break the nda, what they gonna do? sue u?

[@Fascism_Is_One_Helluva_Drug]

Zerg vs Zerg pvp is needed. Stop being wankers and turnjng the few zvz pvp games into pve gacha nft swipefests

[@paintspot1509]

NC soft do that themselves