Is Throne And Liberty Doomed to Fail In The West?

Seems to be. But who knows, maybe the copium is true.
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#throneandliberty #gaming #2024

[@Detective_L]

I miss chronicles of Elyria videos

[@octitawhythisnameistaken]

Got to wait until they announce another 50 mil funding run

[@Jzolago]

No friendos today

[@Billy-1138]

second in a roll .......

[@fullmetalarshole]

We've been downgraded to Acquaintos.

[@dougray30]

KIRA returns, and my miserable Friday finally sees a little light.

[@dewilton7712]

I am surprised you have not covered Tarisland that launched today. I do not understand how the eastern studios have never learned anything from all of the other failed western launches.

[@Victor-tb1ww]

Tarisland does not have bots on the west, since you simply can't trade Gold or anything else, pretty much, between players. Throne, on the other hand... prices on the market are setted by devs and the selling is anonymous, and you're always forced to buy the minimum price. Mobs does not drop anything, so, yep, no bots.

[@VelpkeTrials]

Korean version is already bot infested. Everyone is either buying Gold of the store or from 3rd party sellers. Gold converts to player character power similiar to lost ark, because you can buy gear and upgrade material for gold.

[@abdelrahmanesam6625]

That's direct misinformation lol. Keep up the delusion.

[@girtsbeiers]

no more bots there, they cleared them out.

[@VelpkeTrials]

@@girtsbeiers Theres no anti-cheat and the game is f2p, theres literally no barrier of entry if you want to use a bot. Im still playing on KR servers and you couldnt feel much of a change. Also It seems like gold buyers didnt get any sanctions :/

[@TotoyMolangMarikina]

Korean to western it will be the same..

[@escarretada]

That kinda old news... They already solved that

[@rosslindsey2638]

“Gonna pad out the video to hit the 10 min mark.” I respect the honesty, get the bag Kira 💰😂

[@Vazz]

I tried the last beta and it was just too easy with too many cutscenes, single player story stuff that everyone skips through anyways. I'll never understand why people continue to make mmos like this where grouping in the overworld is pointless, the leveling is extremely quick and the point is to just rush to max level to get to "the real game" or w/e. It's a shame because it has such beautiful graphics and world design. I went to the first open world dungeon that I could see near me(Syleus's Abyss I think.) and just looking around the entrance was stunning, there were long stone steps with a big drop and giant statues all around. It was very atmospheric and all I could think about is how it's so wasted in a game like this. I wish more challenging old school mmo's like the Everquests could have graphics/worlds that looked this good.

[@AzureRoxe]

I sure wonder what MMO is at the top and popularized the whole "rush to max and go raid" mentality.

[@belstar1128]

yea it must appeal to some people but its really not very interesting

[@soneca798]

Play albion, it might have what you want

[@SoundBubble]

"it's right next to Elsword" I knew TL had problems, but that hurt.

[@sweskey]

I have been hoping that game would crash and burn since I kicked the habit and at this point I'm convinced KoG is running on Grand Chase Classic whale oil

[@medea27]

Kira's sleeping on his No.1 monetisation asset to pad out content.... Kira kitty cameos! 🐈 Hope you feel better soon!

[@sayLeotardbutsayitChinese]

Ok but Kira's hair game on point tho

[@Ultimatum878]

It really does suit him

[@tristambre632]

Disagreed, he looked better with long hair.

[@ikeaira8701]

Glad to have you back mate, was just starting to wonder where your vids were in my algorithm haha

[@KingKooba22]

YOU CUT YOUR HAIR? I FEEL LIKE I'VE BEEN MISSING FOR 6 MONTHS

[@frogmastiff8198]

Wheres the cats, what do they think?

[@jadedrivers6794]

You know a game is gonna tank when the only praise people can come up with is "but it's free!'

[@quasidoc7726]

ArchAge PTSD all over again.

[@Grromasz]

New Kira video! 👀

[@Pokephantom]

Now we get to see how long amazon will keep a game afloat that isn't an in house game.

[@Knightik1]

Half a year?

[@AZodiacCancer]

Isnt Lost Arc not an inhouse game?

[@sajidahsan9819]

Lost Ark is not created by Amazon ​@@AZodiacCancer

[@Pokephantom]

@@AZodiacCancer yeah but that game is afloat with da money I still assume from player counts.

[@MyPlaylists22]

"dungeon fighter, which is dungeon fighter" words of wisdom.

[@NekoNeko88]

i was waiting for this! finally some real good based content again :> keep it up pls. love to listen to your content while gaming.

[@hakusu]

I thought I learned my lesson playing Crucible, then I thought I learned my lesson by playing New world , but then Lost ark happend ,, fuck ups after fuck ups , but just like Nexon , I don't think i'll be touching anymore AGS games, good luck tho for the people high on copium

[@astrowerm]

Fresh cut dude! Do you stream any games Kira?

[@thegenxgamerr]

Amazon studio steps up to the plate and yet again a swing and a miss.

[@PK-zy9pk]

Hope it’ll do well, would also like to see how this video ages

[@wrinklymon]

Lookin' fresh man, nice trim.

[@drizztcat1]

It never had a chance, to be honest.

[@sayLeotardbutsayitChinese]

Never even heard of it, myself. How is Amazon so bad at marketing their games lol

[@sweepingtime]

It's a 'Korean MMO' so just slapping that label on a game makes it a meme in the West (or the well-adjusted gaming world). The last time that I was hyped for a Korean game was like Lost Ark and that turned out as Korean game as they come.

[@madrox1989]

The last time I was hyped for a Korean MMO, it was the original ArchLord launch. I was still new to MMOs, but learned quickly it was not good lol. It was the first time I was exposed to an in-game cash shop, on a full priced ($50) game that originally had a subscription too!

[@thevegan3057]

Welcome back. I am gonna give you PoV of someone who is playing the game since release. The release of TL didnt even start with many koreans at the first place. NCsoft has really bad reputation there. Majority of players are from Russia, South Asia, West. Most of the west players left after the first siege or two and are waiting for global release. Its nice you have data but there is much more to it. Game wasn't ready on release and most previous beta feedback was getting released week by week. NCsoft is really treating the KR release as a beta and preparing the game for GLOBAL. The devs are doing incredible job at listening to feedback - Ive never seen better devs in any mmo ever. Not saying its gonna be giga popular cuz its PvP oriented + P2W(but less p2w than bdo or lost ark). The game style just doesn't fall into typical KR game even if you swipe thousands of dollarsyou can still get deleted if you dont know how to block etc.

[@fingermi7571]

"PvP oriented" is instant death on these shores. Nobody here wants to put up with being killed by lonely losers while they are out trying to quest and progress. People claim they want PvP games, but they all die within 90 days

[@thevegan3057]

@@fingermi7571 Well TL is not hardcore PvP game. So it has PvP only in specific areas and it doesn't inerrupt your grinding/questsing.

[@AzureRoxe]

This dude just said he's never seen better devs when Yoshi P exists. Well done killing your own argument.

[@narue2840]

@@fingermi7571 cry

[@spaceli0n]

watch it fail hard

[@funb4gss125]

Dude, awesome video and even better haircut!

[@kylew1385]

I couldn't get past the 3rd day to of the "beta" they did a while back. And I am notorious for getting sucked into even the shittiest of MMOs for a while at least. Not even going to DL the beta in July. It's so incredibly shallow. I don't even need to bring up pay to win because the base game is bad enough that it doesn't even need to factor in.

[@kangaroo-jr2up]

guess we aint friend-os any more :(

[@Thakkii]

After trying out tarisland for an hour i dont think can be worst. 😅

[@Barb4sale]

Look at Kanons interview question to the developer panel. Kanon literally asked him if he was aware how the west percieves the game as p2w garbage (his words) and pushed him on lucent. The game directors response will shock you - they don't care and have no plans on changing from what the KR service looks like. There is no way they are in such a clueless echochamber.. Man so unfortunate, the last thing I wanted was for this game to flop in the west

[@OllerTyp0815]

U also saw the Review of Kanon. When it came to Lucen and the p2progress mechanics, i dont See the big benefit for ppl paying for it.

[@DorrianX]

id love a non-weebafied Lost Ark with no Panda and giant Pink Unicorn cosmetics... but thanks for the video keeping eye out on this one!

[@TikkiNikki]

Look, I know it won't be great, but us Console players have needed some change/a new mmo. Ffxiv and ESO are great, but a fresh one will be a good change of pace

[@bangkokstallion]

Fung Wan Online. Ohhhh those were the days

[@tristambre632]

I miss kira's very long hair

[@AZodiacCancer]

Dont worry, Asmon will play it for a week, say its dog shit and quit

[@NicoTheCinderace]

Asmon is just honestly pretty bad, tbh.

[@departmentofgaming]

@@NicoTheCinderace in what aspect?

[@nomanaplshelp]

@@departmentofgaming in gaming aspect. he is a reactor not a gamer

[@departmentofgaming]

@@nomanaplshelp he's a gamer though?

[@jiedragonhub]

It will be big on other parts of asian country. If it's available there.

[@beyasal]

As of the posting of this message, on steam there are 27,648 people playing Lost Ark, and 25,022 people playing Black Desert(and unlike Lost Ark BDO is not a steam exclusive in the West). Yet when you look at the PC Bang charts there is a huge ranking difference between the two. I don't think the Korean PC Bang player numbers are really indicative of how well a kmmorpg will do or not do in the West. Not saying that Throne and Liberty will certainly do well in the West, but BDO was never really popular in Korea but it is one of the most popular kmmorpgs, maybe even the most popular kmmorpg in the West and still has a solid presence in the West even after almost a decade since release.

[@mr.f6975]

kickstarter adventures when ? hahah

[@danielparker9718]

Yep

[@rock2k14]

The fact that it's Amazon handling an East Asian MMO means it's already dead in the water.

[@shib5267]

yo the british man said bo'le o wa'er less gooo

[@Wampa842]

I'll be honest, my mind just went "parsing error" and refused to process the words being said.

[@kombatwombat6579]

I'm gonna be honest, the fact that KZbin offered me to translate your comment to English made me laugh hard.

[@ikeaira8701]

@@kombatwombat6579 GOLDEN lmfao!

[@Label07]

I heard the P2W is quite bad, let's hope AGS (idiots) have modified that. As Narc says; I (we) are just nerds looking for a good MMO.

[@quasidoc7726]

Kira, as a former AA player I swore id never play another KR MMORG and while I completely share your opinion here, you may want to look in to the newest dev stream - Lot of anti p2w items that were i cash shop are now gone. The monetization alone (Battle Pass, box price, and sub?) will be similar to AA and Trion, Im hoping for a better game. Personally I think the KR games are sent here to make a buck before it goes to the graveyard.

[@Mickey_Valentine]

Hi Friend-O(s) 😊

[@kaisersouzei]

well, the fact that its not so popular with Koreans makes me more hopefully that it might do better in West. I bet it would be more popular if the auto-play was still there. I've felt for a while that Koreans would much rather pay money and/or have the game play itself to get 'ahead' in the game.

[@RobCastov]

Finally an upload 😂

[@codinx6964]

Never seen you with short hair before, but looks pretty good

[@flywheelshyster6549]

Who what when where why how

[@xeno9551]

The combat is not good.

[@IamAlpharius30k]

what happened to earth 2 and chronicles of elleria?

[@JJS563]

Welcome back daddy

[@MrDoenyon]

I dunno, ff14 is rank 50, so I'm not sure that says a lot about their taste compared to what western players like. :)

[@spunkykong2447]

Yeah as soon as I seen ff14 was last I knew the list was bs

[@Zenda_Nior]

Hey Kira, where's your Tarisland opinions, mate? We know you dipped your toes in already. 😀

[@in2it85]

HE'S BACK! Any more news on more upcoming MMO failures and drama?

[@Starrky923]

so many good games coming this year and expansions to already established ones that I really fail to see who will play this slop

[@amcdonald7479]

All of us are screaming out for a decent MMORGP with reasonable mass pvp.

[@infidelcrusader2698]

After fail that was Lost Ark, I'm not touching any S.Korean MMO, waste of time.

[@SirLoafin]

Yes, I’m starving for a new mmo but not enough to eat shit off the street. I learned that lesson with “Lost Ark”.

[@Thakkii]

Wym dude lost ark was miles ahead of this , maybe you refering to amazon game studios or p2w stuff ? If so , ye lost ark monetization was and probably still is dog shiet but the game has nice combat and cool class designs imo.

[@SirLoafin]

@@Thakkii yes, I was talking about it in terms of monetization. The graphics were great; game felt good but the cash shop was outta a mobile p2w game for sure.

[@Thakkii]

@@SirLoafin ye fair enough , i agree with you , they ruined the game with the monetization , well for west , cus the game still popular in korea

[@SirLoafin]

@@Thakkii indeed, I remember back when everyone was watching the Korean streams before the release and the amount of money some people poured into their characters was jaw dropping even for more hardcore audiences here in the west.

[@excoupe]

Yes.

[@ameliaward7429]

Guess I'm (finally) out of the video game loop. No idea what this game is and it feels amazing.

[@raafmaat]

i tapped out around the time Elden Ring was released

[@Steambolt_]

Are we done getting good mmos?

[@chewcab8008]

You forgot to write doomed in all caps with 4 exclamation marks after it.

[@Seve82]

Lack of meowing cat is disappointing

[@cinderden]

RMA kinda kills it

[@GreenCrusher1968]

We wanted a real Lineage 3. Instead we are getting Throne & Liberty.

[@lashashapira3406]

he didnt play game but hes expert. :)

[@_Aynix]

My dude, "P2W" in BDO is pretty much the most expensive from all MMOs. Swiping to buy one BiS part will costs you tens of thousands $$

[@cruistyan87]

there is a problem with the players,new MMO as a player you want to start the same time like everyone ,and you cant now how is the game,and if is bad you just get disappointed ,if you wait to se if is good and the game is good you get disappointed not started at the start.i will take my chance and wait, better to same money than get disappointed.

[@cyperia2781]

I'm afraid as a westerner.... I will STILL play it; I have been waiting so long for this game. I just want to play something I can have fun with lmao

[@xFODDERx]

Wait isn't this essentially Lineage 3

[@dddd-is9dh]

Kira, I'm so tired of living on this Earth, are there any news about Earth2?

[@sirhcsuiris]

Sure, tech and such will improve and progress over time. But so does greed.

[@lawlore]

Think you've misunderstood the comment at 8:43 - sounds like their theory is that MMOs which work in Korea don't work in the West. Because T&L failed in Korea, there's a chance it could work in the West.

[@VelpkeTrials]

Theres no chance it succeeds. It's the exact same situation we had in lost ark. Its free to play, its bot infested, you can buy power for gold, theres also open pvp, progression is heavily time gated if you dont pay.

[@xGhrinzz]

@@VelpkeTrials You sound like a certified hater.

[@AzureRoxe]

@@xGhrinzz He sounds like someone with a brain.

[@xGhrinzz]

@@AzureRoxe Well you guys can go play something else then :] More game for the rest of us.

[@mokeysamo3528]

The less people there is the more the bots so i would prefer , hater or not would give a chance to have a solid comunity ​@@xGhrinzz

[@captainroyy21]

Hello Friendo

[@folken4618]

- Doomed to fail considering what western MMORPG players would like (no auto, no bots, no hard p2w, no p2fast... but what we got in Guild Wars or War or Warcraft): yes - Doomed to fail considering what asian MMORPG devs want (make many ppl use their wallet to dominate every aspect of the game): No We´ve seen this from other Korean companies. It may end just when eastern ppl definitely stop taking the bait and asking for a real MMORPG experience, like the ones we had in the 2010s years when hours, companions and efforts were the key. As long as this genre keeps looking for the lazy selfish spenders, and as long as they show their visa, the real doomed is the genre itself. IMHO

[@joshr8573]

I played one of the playtest and it felt like a crappy mobile mmo...

[@rairai5114]

If there is something I have learned in over 2 decades of playing these Korean MMO's is they are like Super Models, pretty outside but shallow as fuck inside, oh and all they do is ask for money.

[@user-lu4hf7zs4l]

F2P, no catching up to a decade of rng. Hoping for the best and expecting the worse. It's new.

[@SuperFlyGhost]

You cut your hair?!

[@xelldincht4251]

I heard the pay2win in the Korea version is pretty bad. I will never understand why people waste money on those items if they can buy great singleplayer games instead I hope game developers will focus on making great singleplayer games. Nobody has the time to play all those online games at once

[@gaijinkuri684]

Play the game if your interested, stop playing when you stop having fun. Simple solution for everyone.

[@JynxedKoma]

KIRA! RESTART WINDOWS TO FINISH INSTALLING WINDOWS UPDATES!!!!!!

[@trolltollz1317]

Won't even bother, won't last

[@valhallagalex]

I think bdo is good despite the monetisation issues

[@xFODDERx]

Beta coming when everyone will be on Once Human.....

[@user-hi5nw6bn2h]

Just play and spend some money and make korea great once again. More you spend, more stronger you get and you can bully anyone that weaker than you and make you feel good thank you come again

[@OgOssman]

Whats happend to earth 2 , we need a update.....

[@PolCoolguy]

I was interested until I found out there's no breast slider.

[@thetruestar6348]

I barely remember this game

[@JoyP09]

Thanks you saved me from wasting time on another korean p2w game. I will stick to my ps5 single player games

[@JeskaRain]

But then you watch Kanon's vids and it looks poggers AF with the screen chalk full of people all the time?!

[@user-lu4hf7zs4l]

You may need to consider the console players. Elder Scrolls Online players have been sick of nerfing cycles and meta scrubs constantly being price gouged with expansions.

[@edge9255]

alright cant watch more after 3:50... You need to play before you judge seriously. The reason no peoples play in Korea is because the game interest more west players than korea players. Its not enough pay to win to Korea player. Heres my prediction, the popularity will be close to lost ark in N/A

[@wlsdnr0710]

The biggest problem of TL is its devs, NC Soft. Most people in KR don't even consider playing the game when the dev is NC Soft. Now people call NC soft game dog meat, because younger generations and foreigners hate it, and perceive people who like it (usually old people) uncivilized.

[@TheNightquaker]

I just took a massive shit, so it's a pretty good time to look at a possibly piece of shit MMO that is Throne and Liberty! How jolly, that.

[@zwarth123]

I will play it but I won't pay it.

[@Gerlaffy]

New thumbnail images, please. It's like I've always got to check if I've seen the video as the thumbnail is the same

[@TTVcellybo3]

no its gone be just fine in the west lmfao