2020 Nissan 370Z NISMO vs Toyota 86 TRD // When The Recipe Works

[@revnto7k]

I still think those Z's look good. I would rock that... But I'd rather buy a used one since there are so many out there.

[@07wrxtr1]

Smart way to go, then plan on an oil cooler, swaybar for the front only, tires, alignment, stereo upgrade, tune, hfc+cat back. Or, better yet, buy one that someone has already done all that and you'll be happy for about a year, then you'll be looking at turbo kits and then.... $20k later you'll have an insane vehicle! (fast intentions twin turbo, go look at some of those vids!).

[@brianbaltikas8227]

07wrxtr1 facts or even a 350z they are great as well

[@ilootyouhoot8578]

Craig Chevalier there’s a lot for sale for a reason.. their Nissan and problematic.

[@fredwilliams7893]

@@ilootyouhoot8578 what? You dont know what your talking about . I have owned 6 Nissans and one Infiniti. And not ONE! had any major issues that had to be in the shop. Maintenance is key! Proper maintenance being performed on any vehical correctly will keep even the worst shit boxes going for along time. Hence my 2007 Ford explorer with 220,000 miles on original trans and engine. So go rate cars you have owned or know better than Nissans and shut up about cars you know nothing about. 😉

[@revnto7k]

@@ilootyouhoot8578 There are a lot more problematic cars out there than a VQ powered Z with a manual trans. And for that reason, I would still own one given the chance. I am a big S2000 fan myself, but they are in the stratosphere for used prices, so a used Z makes a good choice if you ask me..

[@pballer2005]

you wouldn't slide on public roads, just like you wouldn't download a movie....riiight

[@LivingLifeSlower]

Only peasants download movies.

[@pwnyourass22]

@@LivingLifeSlower only retards pay for them

[@carscoffeeandcannabis-634]

@@pwnyourass22 And a true genius does neither and uses an Android Box lol

[@tibor29]

@@pwnyourass22 If nobody paid for movies, there would be no movies.

[@pwnyourass22]

@@tibor29 dont care honestly

[@SSDracerSD]

When do we get an updated 370z? Nissan - No.

[@JacesOwnWorld]

My uncle works for Nissan Corporate. I recently asked him if Nissan has any plans for a new Z. He said most possibly No, but they have been talking about making it later on, but in a 2.0T version

[@skvltdmedia]

Why fix what wasn't broken in all its generations? 86's engine bay department on the other hand...

[@JacesOwnWorld]

Skvora Limited Media it’s not that Nissan needs to fix their 370Z. Matter of fact it’s not like any company needs to, but the reason why the 370Z is laughed at today is because there are tiny little turbo engines destroying it, while getting way better mpg’s. Me personally would love for Nissan to keep their Z platform N/A. But if they did that, they would need to make something in the 400hp+ range, but also gives it more in the 350+two range too, just to peak interest from buyers, as nobody who knows cars wants their $50k Z to be beaten by a $30k 2.0LT vehicle. They have to do that because that’s the way the sports car market has gone. That is hard to do, unless they opt for a V8 Z, which would go against the history of what a Z is about. So yeah, a turbo car is the only option really. They could use the Q Red Sport TT engine from Infiniti, which would be sick, but then they are banging on the doors of the GTR. So basically what I see is this was just poor planning on Nissans end ever since they introduced the R35 GTR, because they now have limited their Z line in what they can do with it.

[@TallCade]

Jace MK7 My stepdad also works for nissan, and he gets emails about their possible being a 3.0t z in the future... Seems likes it’s more likely than not. Probably going to end up being a q60 with nissan badges

[@oririona5462]

jjus jjoe get outta here 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@tom11zz884]

370Z all day.... It's old, and outdated, but still so good.

[@timsworld9342]

I love my 370z and i couldnt have said it better myself

[@randyr.8536]

Same !! i Love my Z . mines 2011 and it blends in with the new Z crowd with my nismo bodykit

[@terrydavis6519]

Still a badass car

[@eli.m127]

Honestly I hope Nissan dosent update the Z. They’ll make it look like a maxima.

[@terrydavis6519]

@@eli.m127 that would be exactly what they end up doing hopefully it doesn't end up with the fate the nsx had to suffer I mean the honda Prius because that's what it is just a bit faster and a whole lot more to fix at the dealership and not to mention its famed title of the slowest super car

[@aquapisces24]

The 86 doesn't need any increase in output, it just needs to be compared with a Miata.

[@ianj4389]

Yeah I don't get this comparison. Compare the Nissan maybe to the new "Supra".

[@Dolby109]

@@ianj4389 It would get squashed by the Supra in everything except having a manual transmission. The only real competitors for the Z (besides the Miata and 86) is the lower trim Camaros and Mustangs. Sadly the NISMO is priced similar to the SS 1LE and GT PP2 which are both WAAAAAAAAAAAAY out of it's league in performance.

[@Swag-Juice]

@@Dolby109 The manual transmission alone is enough to beat that turd they call a 2020 Supra. Paul Walker is pissing down from heaven in hopes of his stream hitting that abomination.

[@Thebearwand]

@@Dolby109 "Straight line performance"

[@Dolby109]

@@Thebearwand In reference to what?

[@mickey2036]

Thomas in TRD: “I can’t believe how different these feel right away.” James in 370z “Aw, yes!”

[@tizodd6]

Can we get more power from the FRS? Toyota: buy this expensive ass Supra.

[@rentedrug6973]

more or less the same with Nissan, "can we get a new Z car?" Nissan: "Here's the new GT-R" Lmfao

[@mojojoji5493]

Aftermarket tuning I say

[@Dropship11]

You can get more power from the FRS. By buying something else.

[@taahasiddiqui1071]

And even then it some how makes less power than the BMW counterpart, even though they have the same engine lol what

[@Dropship11]

@Jacob Tratnyekfrs. 86. brz. It's the same low power car that non car guys like to drive and think they're fast.

[@gustavocaballero8677]

I like how everyone says the z is outdated and slow and as soon as they drive it nothing but smiles and fun. I’ll keeping my NISMO forever! I’ll eventually give it more power because why not. 😍

[@joshhambleton90]

they say its slow until they slam the pedal and your wheels spin and engine starts screaming and see the Z is no pussy. car is a classic example of a drivers car and doesnt try to be some overdesigned tryhard. the noise the VQ makes with some exhausts is some of the best noises a car can make. motordyne shockwave sounds like a lamborghini. and tomei is the best noise ive heard a car make

[@chodkowski01]

The Z Nismo is the top one put it next to a vette, Camaro, mustang or dodge and they say bye bye to the 350 hp Nismo.

[@chodkowski01]

Daniel Martinez, they gave up on the Z that’s why the engineers are all on the GT-R. They do not want a car that competes with there GT-R.

[@chodkowski01]

Daniel Martinez, one problem they have is the VVEL and turbo do not work well together. They were talking about dropping the motor size from 3.7 down to 3.0 and turbocharging it. Not really a high horse power combo.

[@almightykeys4734]

Dont let these keyboard warriors fool you. I get more complimants from my 2012 Z then what a mustang could ever get.

[@asiffarooqui6789]

The Z looks as fresh today as it did all those years ago when launched. I literally think it's design genius. The interior is dated yes. But the exterior? Looks better than its competition. End of. 😘

[@ZackRobinMusic]

Yea I agree on the exterior. It still looks great! But that interior needs an update badly

[@pizzarolls220]

Bro the exterior is godly

[@nuggerboi8278]

I prefer the exterior of the 370z than the 400z

[@Alexi7666]

The 370Z has to be one of the most under-rated sports cars out there.

[@jamesliftscircles3015]

uhh

[@UnitiveWILLIAM24]

@@jamesliftscircles3015 its okay get your thoughts together iamsam

[@brian25301]

And down right affordable. Too bad the nismo only bumps up like 15 horsepower lol

[@HatsuneM1ku01]

@@brian25301better suspension vs the regular z and the Miami has a stiffer full stitch welded chassis compared to a regular z

[@josueochoa9267]

im keeping my Z sport because it has aged well and if nissan decides they don't want a redesign, the Z will become a solid classic

[@2amchef16]

Josue Ochoa LOL.. just like how the 300ZX did (obvious sarcasm).

[@adodoes8770]

@@2amchef16 what's wrong with the 300zx? It's a highly respected car and pretty seeked after. I see it as a 90s classic

[@kernoleary1394]

@@2amchef16 that comment makes no sense 😂

[@josueochoa9267]

Mike Huang 240z comes to mind...

[@Patrick-pu4eb]

Not really, 240z and 280z are now dirt cheap to buy

[@dubleblitz]

"Do you hear that? This is the sound of me going to jail." Such a meme.

[@caglioso]

You guys did this brilliantly. Walking the fine line between actual reviewing and poking fun. And of course that intro....

[@ratspike8017]

About a month back I traded my '13 Toyota '86 (scarlet red, standard model, so about the same power and and a rear that broke away as soon as glance at it) for a slightly older 370Z Fairlady GT convertible (sticker ahoy!) in deep cherry red. Everything these guys have said is bang on. Both are great fun, but chalk and cheese.

[@basithph8958]

Good to see that both cars are a manual transmission That’s a true sports car right there

[@masterreach97]

My Toyota Yaris has a manual transmission, does it qualify as a true sports car?

[@basithph8958]

whatEver if that’s a fun car for you then thats all that matters I mean a sports car like 370Z or GT86 and while they are meant to be fast they are meant to be DRIVEN hence why a true sports car has a manual transmission I don’t mean a base model with a manual transmission

[@yousef.al-assaf]

Not really. Worse acceleration, less focus on steering, and more prone to human-error...

[@basithph8958]

Yousef Al-A'ssaf يوسف العسّاف yeah but that’s not what the manual is for When you are talking about a sports car, it’s meant to be DRIVEN and the manual transmission gives the best driving experience Yes autos have gotten so much better since the past decade as they became faster and smoother but sports cars are not about speed it’s about the fun to drive experience

[@yousef.al-assaf]

@@basithph8958 For me, it's much more fun to drive the car fast. Not just in a straight line, but having fun and playing around with the steering wheel. I only find that happening when I have both of my hands on the steering wheel. I could never trust myself in doing the same moves/tricks with only one hand. I know that shifting the car at high rpm's and the way it throws you inward and outward is fun, but to me, it's not as fun as jockeying around with the car. But that's just me.

[@callanotis7902]

Dudes peddle dance made me cry

[@ALL0UT323]

They both had a bigger smile in the 370z and that to me that says who the winner is if you don't take price into account. Both fun cars in all honesty but if price wasn't an issue I see more people picking a Z.

[@lynnmckenney1987]

*if you dont take price into account* Right...but that's a HUGE part of the comparison :/

[@masterreach97]

Bruhh 😂 if price wasn’t an issue I wouldn’t have taken either one of these cars

[@ALL0UT323]

@@lynnmckenney1987 when I had the choice of purchasing either (well at the time it was either a fr-s or brz) the extra couple grand that I spent on my Z was worth it to me. I guess in the end that is the real question, if the higher price tag is worth it to the buyer.

[@rizdraver]

For the price of a Z you could take an 86 and mod it faster than a Z.

[@franklatin2411]

rizdraver idk turbo brz still only make about 240whp

[@RISHI9jadhav9]

Kudos to James fr doing his job with the wrist constrainer without being a Itch abt it. Another entertaining and perfectly informative review

[@general38]

I love the grunt of the z - put on an exhaust - an intake + tune and you have another 50hp. These motors are well built and can take a decent turbo as well.

[@janrdoh]

These guys are the perfect match for each other on this channel but I must say James's humor really makes it.

[@cleverpython1546]

350z will always be my favorite car

[@gene978]

WOW That 370 reminds me of Playing Need For Speed 20 years ago. The same sound track.

[@jimmieparker8093]

Lol underground with carmen Electra ...oh yea that was my ish..

[@Dranreb865]

370z came out 2009

[@jaysworld5378]

Love the way the Nismo Z looks, hope to pick up a lightly used one in a few years hopefully.

[@ddifi66126]

I daily drive my 2010 Z and love taking it out, without fail, every single day.

[@evanboyce5135]

Same goes for me 350, never gets old

[@2strong247]

Big facts, I drove my g35 sedan like it was a Ferrari I loved that later upgraded to that G37s coupe. Crazy fun

[@ralphsmallblock4367]

Always giving her the lead yee haw

[@devlad]

Had my 370z for 6 years and I love it. Don't care about the infotainment, it puts a smile on my face every time I drive it. Granted, I don't daily it. It's an analog car like so few cars are these days. With basic mods and tuning, it's the most engaging car I've owned. But holy cow, Nissan, time for an update. This "new" model is no different from mine - it's been a decade. Let's put the VR30DDTT in at least.

[@GolnatP]

Great intro as always and that Torque Dip joke was so well placed 😆

[@EarsXBL]

After getting a Tune to remove the torque dip it’s definitely the FIRST modification every 86 owner should consider doing day 1 of owning one.

[@metalbudsgaming8371]

As good as these older videos are you can really see how much their production values have grown in 2022 videos. Love seeing the channels growth like that. 👍

[@richardgentry5589]

370z nismo nearly reaching the pinnacle of 100hp/liter and people hating. It's okay though, the unwarranted hate just translates to cheaper used market while the flat brimmed vapey boiz buy their stanced scions lol.

[@louiscrespo1280]

Dang comparatively their almost catching up to honda in 06

[@richardgentry5589]

@@louiscrespo1280 yes the f22a is nice 🏁 very relevant to the cars compared the this video

[@Crypto_mining_lab]

nearly reaching the pinnacle , well the 86 surpassed it ,its 102.5 hp/L

[@Motherofmusic]

@@Crypto_mining_lab still slower than 95% of normal sedans, trucks and even mini vans sold today, no thanks....

[@mediocreman2]

louis crespo In 1999

[@callsigncrusader9877]

Gt 86 is so good I have some mods too Turbo (260) bhp Short throw shifter Better brake pads Dunlop tyres

[@BrendanEvan]

DEADLY noob gaming thought this was a poem for a second there

[@RipPhillips]

You have my daily goal man good job

[@deni8814]

Reason I got a Q50 with 3.7 motor, love the sound of the VQ.

[@gotindrachenhart]

At the time of the video the Z was only three years old and ya'll are talking about it like it's from the 90's 🤣 But man, that paint on the Z. Don't know if it was just something the camera was doing or not but if it looks like that in person then holy balls that's hot AF.

[@alikovacevic]

I knew the 86 had a torque dip before I bought mine. I actually didn't mind that it had a flaw like that. It is an opportunity to tune your 86 the way you want to do it. The philosophy from the ae86 is maintained. It's almost like the 86 platform leaves the door open for tuning because it's incredibly easy to do. However if you're looking to maintain reliability, DO NOT push the boxer engine over 300 horsepower. Once you go over 300 horsepower you're going to be walking a thin line between speed and detonation. Without any tune you can shift around the torque dip as long as you're staying under 3,000RPM until you hit 5th gear. If you keep it in 1st gear like a dummy, you will be at the mercy of the torque dip because you're over 3,000RPM's before 5th gear. This is a tip for people that drive the vehicle stock. The 86 reacts to weight and tires like I've never seen before in other cars I've driven. Because it's so light, even an axle-back muffler delete will give you a ton speed solely on the stock muffler weighing SO MUCH. You don't have to go cat-back exhaust, save your money. If you're looking for ways to tune the 86 I would recommend starting with solely a Stage 1 ECU open-flash tune. All that tune does is increase the amount of fuel being injected and requires your car to take premium every time. Try and upgrade the OEM battery to a Shorai battery, along with replacing the OEM fuses with higher quality aftermarket fuses. That increases the throttle response of the car and reduces the torque dip quite a bit. If you are willing to take it even further, the next step is changing the final gear ratio to 4.8. Do not change the gear ratio by yourself. Take it to a shop and pay the labor fees. Trust me on this one. From there, if you're somehow still not satisfied you can install Unequal Length Headers and a bigger air intake along with an aftermarket aluminum radiator to take care of the overheating problem. It will require a Stage 2 tune. However, this will eliminate the torque dip completely. The only sacrifice at this point is fuel efficiency because the boxer engine is NA. Weight reduction will reduce the fuel efficiency problem. I find that tuning the car this way to start is the best thing to do. It's not worth going the supercharger or turbo route because you're playing with reliability at that point with the boxer engine. Not to mention the price of a supercharger or turbo kit + all of the supporting mods. Save the headache. Save your wallet. If you're planning on going crazy with horsepower (300+) you might as well engine swap. The nice thing is that the OEM chassis can fit a 2JZ or any RB-Series engine no problem. If you are planning on going the engine swap route, please please please try and mount the engine as low as you can in the engine bay, even if it requires custom engine mounts and some welding. It will help with cornering drastically. This whole process is actually really fun to do because the OEM engine bay is very easy to work with. Everything is in an easy to locate spot for the most part. Happy Tuning! 🔧

[@ELITECMDR666]

I own the TRD 86 and I LOVE IT. It takes me back too when I owned a 1986 2 door Corolla GT-S. While it isn't fast me living in Puerto Rico this car is a grip monster in the curves. Love the car period.

[@PL888HI]

You can't go wrong with either one >>> as long it's MANUAL !!

[@southernclassik]

Manual.... eww

[@southernclassik]

I live in the 21st century.

[@rohaniyer7589]

Violated Gerber Baby So do these cars, clown.

[@owenhaynes5968]

Violated Gerber Baby I’m 13 years old and i own a 2007 toyota yaris 5 speed that was given to me and it’s way more fun to drive than any automatic vehicle i’ve driven.

[@hmorris]

Owen Haynes HAHAHAH try city roads or congested higways

[@joshdavis7311]

Always a great morning when I wake up to a Throttle House video! Thank you!

[@rockervdrive]

17:21 that "pedal dance." I'm dead. lmao

[@islandboypopo]

I have an STI, and as soon as I test drove the Nismo I fell in love. I was hooked !

[@legendkiller1290]

don’t know why these two cars are being compared when there’s almost 2x difference in power between the two

[@kingkong5483]

Akram Ibrahim and 1.7l

[@daviddedos]

And $13,000

[@Q_N-]

I think they just randomly put this together without doing any real history research on the 2. The 86 was never meant to be compared to the 370. Because originally the 86 is technically a corolla. Or at least the original from 86’.

[@BitcoinTo100K]

Agree the NISMO wasn't best comparison but least they got TRD to try lol. Best get the base model for $28k plus ttl same price 86 discounts are awesome on 370z

[@Angry-Lynx]

because they are very comparable, basically same class - old school, simple rwd sport coupe and have very similar target

[@mo7286]

That 'Torque Dip' must taste bad on the 86

[@KarminUwU]

I busted out laughing when he turned it and it showed torque dip

[@shimeih2287]

The introduction was just amazing.. then when James starts talking about the 86 I lost my nuggets 😂😂😂😂

[@alpenjodel24]

The GT86 with a supercharger, oil cooler and intercooler is perfect. Got 290hp out of mine with stable temps all the time, the supercharger also eliminates the torque dip very well. Got the car used for 18k, then spend around 8k for the upgrades. Awesome car.

[@NewDesignVinylGraphics]

alpenjodel24 yeah I bet with those mods it’s a fucking blast to drive

[@thivakarsaravanamuthu4744]

Nice man is that with the stock engine

[@DjDizzy216]

Nice! Which supercharger kit did you go with? I have a BRZ and went with the SBD turbo kit 3 years ago. I don’t think I could enjoy this car without FI.

[@alpenjodel24]

I believe it's a HKS supercharger kit with oil- and intercooler, done by a local shop.

[@onyiiilo378]

People say 370z look dated only cos not much has changed in the way it looks over the years but compared to new cars of today it still looks better! It looks better than the 86 and the new supra!

[@ThePedalDance]

I have a BRZ with header and tune. I absolutely love it! Great car. Super reliable. Averages 29mpg basically all the time. Highly recommend!

[@kj8632]

How much power does ur BRZ make with just the header and tune?

[@jamesjdm]

An f86 WILL NOT out handle a 370z let alone a NISMO. It might feel like it but that's because it's hard to feel like you're sliding in a car that is too weak to actually slide or break loose. The 86 is what you get your 18 year old as their first sports car so they don't kill themselves.

[@golf1diesel]

Say that to Keiichi Tsuchiya. Oh well it's America we are on about...

[@e36blur]

600 lbs does a lot for a car

[@e36blur]

@Sergio Aguirre World Time Attack 2018 Open class 86 2nd place...

[@e36blur]

@Sergio Aguirre I know. wheres the 370z again? Overheated in the pits lmao

[@culgate]

e36blur just vq37 things

[@mikewazowski7613]

Thomas and James, happy hump day fellas. Great video as always and congrats on 200,000 subs right around the corner.

[@jamesengelsman9369]

Mike Wazowski thanks mike!

[@skvltdmedia]

Z is overall alright, but just right for what it is. 86 handles like a dream, if you ever get it up to speed.... Nismo package is kinda worth tidying up slop Nissan left, but TRD is frivolous as hell just making an already kind-of-overpriced little guy even worse of a value. And in the used market, well, Nissans are a PAIN to do anything with in the engine bay, but Subs are much easier.

[@kevindam1946]

13:31 LMAO James looks so shocked which means he didn't know Thomas was gonna do that bit 😂😂

[@killchasey]

As so many other people have said, so many other places: People speak of how dated the 370Z is (mostly people who don’t drive one or care for tech DESIGNED for eventual obsolescence) and yet, every time you see someone DRIVE one it’s all smiles.

[@mudundisivaramaraju4640]

195k subs is a joke You and The Straight Pipes are the most underrated channels in youtube

[@vernonprice5986]

Fully agree

[@coolsahib]

Redline reviews also

[@JacesOwnWorld]

Mudundi Siva Rama Raju it’s because they are REAL car enthusiasts and make REAL car videos. All these other gay youtubers just vlog and get views that way. It’s disappointing

[@ZS-xi4xk]

The Straight Pipes are awful, love these two though.

[@StrykerV8]

Agreed, straight pipes are absolute trash. These guys are amazing

[@jamescarson6681]

Great production and I agree with most of what you guys mention in this video (especially the torque dip issue that the Toyobaru 86/BRZs have rather than its 'lack of power') BUT, unless you're talking about a used 370z vs a new Toyota 86/Subaru BRZ, i'm just not sre if its right to pitch the two together as their specs are incomparable. The 370z is more of a rival to the A90 2020 Toyota Supra and the 86/BRZ are more of a rival to the Mazda MX-5 with its power+weight figures. Nevertheless, good job. And unfortunately, its only in Japan where we can have the Toyota 86 GR, Toyota 86 14R-60 and Toyota 86 GRMN that all feature much better brakes and some feature much better aero and slight power upgrades.

[@joetaka7620]

I doubt I agree that its necessary for the 86 to have a 6 cyl as it is suppose to be a successor to the Toyota AE86 which has a 4 cyl that were designed to be driven at 10/10ths around the narrow tight & twisty touge roads in Japan unlike the wide straight roads you get in N.America... Keiichi Tsuchiya (aka THE Drift King) proved the internet that you can have so much fun on the touge in a modest powered AE86 and the 'new' 86 whilst not spending too much on consumable costs. After all, if you want a 6cyl RWD Coupe Toyota, thats what the Supra is for is it not? Tetsuya Tada san (engineer of both the Supra + 86) hinted that they might release the manual version of the Supra soon, once demand of the early batch cars start fading away.

[@Masonianjar]

"Can you hear that? That's sound of me going to jail." Epic. I seriously laughed out loud 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@Brando_Z33]

Mason Franks same lol. Gold

[@MajedTaib]

"I'm Yuri, I'm Jacob..." Oh wait it's the wrong channel

[@carterdavis2793]

and we're goin for a drive!

[@academiaengineering5136]

I’m James, I’m Thomas and we’re going for a drive

[@SilverScarletSpider]

15:31 James’ Mum is a legend. His mum’s choice to get a 2011 Nissan 370Z no doubt must have influenced his decisions to get a 2013 Subaru BRZ, Jaguar F Type, and eventually his little pale blue dot Mazda Miata MX5 ND.

[@joetaka7620]

I doubt I agree that its necessary for the 86 to have a 6 cyl as it is suppose to be a successor to the Toyota AE86 which has a 4 cyl that were designed to be driven at 10/10ths around the narrow tight & twisty touge roads in Japan unlike the wide straight roads you get in N.America... Keiichi Tsuchiya (aka THE Drift King) proved the internet that you can have so much fun on the touge in a modest powered AE86 and the 'new' 86 whilst not spending too much on consumable costs. After all, if you want a 6cyl RWD Coupe Toyota, thats what the Supra is for is it not? Tetsuya Tada san (engineer of both the Supra + 86) hinted that they might release the manual version of the Supra soon, once demand of the early batch cars start fading away.

[@jamescarson6681]

True points. Japan has its engine displacement tax so I guess Toyota wanted to keep the 86 'atteinable' for more people. If they did have a 6cyl option available exclusively for the N.American market where they have straight roads, the Japanese domestic fans will be pissed at Toyota I reckon.

[@visionariable]

So much complaints about the 370z, but enthusiasts will be begging for a car like that in the near future. It’s as raw as a driving experience you can buy and really is a driver’s car. It’s manual, RWD, has a beefy NA V6 engine, handles very well in stock form, and in my honest opinion is still a good looking car. What more could you ask for from something that does what it was meant to do, which is to be driven.

[@Snacksu]

That pedal dance 17:22

[@TenToesUp450]

The Z’s may be outdated but it’s still a beautiful car. They have a huge fan base due to the uniqueness and I feel if they change to much they will lose those fans. As the saying goes “why replace what isn’t broke” the endless mods available for these cars will make them legendary for years to come!

[@danielchute1886]

the 2021 400z is going to be an absolute monster. with a twin turbocharged v6 its gonna be an animal

[@alexturnqest6202]

That man dipped when he saw "I'm home alone"👀😂

[@notliluzivert677]

dipped harder than the torque in the 86

[@ravenstylea2]

Wish the 86/BRZ had an 8500k redline at least since it doesn’t have a ton of power; Subaru could have given the motor more beans in that regard.

[@raidenb4512]

As a owner of a GT86, I'm agree with you.

[@K03sport]

Balanced engines seem to be harder, aka more expensive to make; but a b&b'd, all motor fa20/fa22 stroker engine would be nice.

[@eddy540]

@@K03sport well said bro

[@thecriticalthinkeroutsidet4947]

Just so you know that Toyota's DNA injected all over it helped it reach the 200 horsepower output. Without Toyota's D4S DNA, it would've been more anemic.

[@CplCheeto]

I have a 2017 Toyota 86 860 special edition and I know from experience that it will do 100mph in 5th gear and over 140 in 6th with 2k rpm left before redline

[@eggroll6894]

370 may not be the most lugerious, but feels like such an underrated car.

[@benton211]

Probably the last two sports cars I’d ever consider. Great video btw. Informative and hilarious

[@redlion145]

No Cayman? That's everyone's next stop after these two.

[@mooglygoogly5660]

Bought a 86 over a Z, miata and Wrx. It’s just so much more fun and the extra two seats are perfect for cargo. I take it out and fold rear seats down, get in my sleeping bag under the night sky. Wish it had a moonroof.

[@thumpertorque_]

The design of the 86 is just so much nicer with that aggressive front end. I just can't get myself to like the looks of the 370, that rounded body style and the headlights just don't do it for me.

[@a.jennings4664]

I chose a new BRZ over a 370Z, no regrets.

[@hamper116]

Can you guys please do a track battle for these two? I think it would be a great battle

[@djbradz7453]

350hp vs 205hp don't think it would b much of a battle unfortunately

[@hamper116]

@@djbradz7453 I agree the power differences are there, but the handling of the gt86 could make this a close race

[@eddy540]

@@hamper116 soo true.

[@nukeditful]

I’ve tangled with a 370 on track...as soon as you hit a straight it just marches away. But...the 86 is easier to drive at the limit, so you can surprise some Z cars at hpdes

[@mikehawk5466]

With the price difference you can slap a turbski on the 86 and boom problem solved. It’ll still be lighter and handle better too.

[@RipPhillips]

And not bare bones either with that price diff wheels turbo tune easy

[@boygenius538_8]

People say “turbo, and supercharge” so nonchalantly. That’s not an easy process.

[@anthonymoy4471]

(Owning and driving a 86 as a daily current) you shouldn’t even put one in a comparison the 86 is Prius with a capable chassis. The z is a accurate sports car. The gt86 is rear wheel drive 90’s Celica sold in 2020 🤷🏼‍♂️ honestly

[@PhilipSamuelson]

i'm not even an 86 fan at all, but I agree with you 100%. These are apples and oranges, a car more designed for autocrossing in the 86 (handling over horsepower) versus a pure-bred track car in the 370z (all around power and handling combined).

[@doriangray2347]

@@PhilipSamuelson the 370z cannot come close to handling of a new BRZ. It just is a difference machine, straight line and tall profile sportscar. I had the 370 and i now have BRZ with performance package

[@PhilipSamuelson]

@@doriangray2347 So basically you agree with me lol thanks! A friend of mine has an 86, I smacked him on a road course because my 370z was an all-around car, power AND handling, not just handling.

[@doriangray2347]

Philip Samuelson absolutely not. Brz has immense better handling. Your friend sucks and his tires and wheels suck too im guessing

[@anthonymoy4471]

Dorian Gray I’m on coilovers and wheels on my 86 and my 350z was stock a better performing car 🤷🏼‍♂️ faster and suspension felt pretty nice

[@Ghost16-k5n]

What I love about the Z is that despite being a modern car, it's at heart an old classic

[@k20z3keith7]

The baby version of the GTR. That sound is beautiful 😍

[@Luigi12500]

as soon as he got the text saying “I’m alone” 8 police sirens got lit up outside my house and I didn’t know if it was from the video or real life 💀💀💀

[@brettsuddreth5171]

Still own a 370Z and it’s still fun and pretty quick, a huge upgrade was the Michelin pilot super sport tires - taking off down some old country roads still brings me joy

[@basithph8958]

The 370Z is a good car but we have been dying for a new Z car

[@soulsnatcher5408]

What a 390z?

[@kernoleary1394]

No.. a new 300z(x)

[@JpOcDenver]

They’ll ruin it. Turbo 4 most likely. The current Z is exactly what it’s supposed to be. Low-tech, naturally aspirated 6 cylinder, mildly-quick sports car, that handles well and looks good, for a reasonable price. I own one. It has its shortcomings, mostly in tech and luxury, but only if you ignore price. Brand new base models for $30k all day long. It’ll be one of the last “purist” sports cars. Going to try my damndest to never get rid of it. I think it’ll become a novelty.

[@zynthio]

2 years later, now that the new Z is here, I think the 370z is going to remain a classic forever. There’s just something so timeless about the design and it’s so freaking cool. I’m looking at cars right now and I’m torn between getting a brz and a 370z. I’m a big Nissan fan and I’ve always wanted a Z so I’m leaning towards it, but the brz is a fresher design and more affordable and has a nicer interior… going to be tough to decide

[@patrickomech7375]

Thomas and James, really like ur explanations after the drag race. Keep it up buddys.

[@mr.2cents.846]

I drove the BRZ once. Was shocked how lame it accelerated for 200hp. In the late 80's early 90's 200hp was very good. Put 200hp in a 1988 Opel Manta B and you have a rocket. I always wished someone would compare side by side, Head2Head an '88 Fiero GT to a 2018 BRZ... Do that guys, PLEASE do that. On a track, quarter mile. And see what happens.

[@mr.2cents.846]

Only the four bangers did if the oil level got too low because the oil pan eas too small.

[@graham1034]

Well there are rumors now that the 86/BRZ may get Subaru's 2.4L, either NA (~220hp) or turbo'd (~260hp). While I personally love my G35's V6 power, I think the 2.4L just makes sense (also harkens back to the 240sx). It would have better every day power in the low-mid rev range while giving much better fuel economy. Likely it would also be lighter and fit better without having to lengthen the car.

[@tokiohotelsucks123]

You called it

[@aziisokov7]

“Coming back atcha with a classic 205 horsepower....”

[@INUMIMI28]

When 350Z came out people bashed it for dropping turbos, nearly 20 years later people wants it to be naturally aspirated. Very interesting

[@kevinlau2041]

I believe it's because if they go turbo with the new Z it'll be a 4 cylinder (with little HP improvement over the 6 cylinder NA. It's main focus is mostly to meet MPG regulations). I think it'll be a different story if the next Z is a 6 cylinder turbo or even a V8 NA like the E92 M3. I doubt many people would complain.

[@INUMIMI28]

Kevin Lau I doubt it’ll just be a 4 cylinder because Nissan already has VR30DDTT, and they’ll probably gonna use it. I think people are just getting sick of turbocharging everything. It’s no longer special, and we know the cons about turbo as much as we know pros now, like sounds, response, etc. Z34 is old, but old enough to be something unique and special, and people want to be that way probably.

[@WarriorsPhoto]

That was an awesome opening for this video. I don’t want either of these cars now after watching this video. They didn’t seem to be all that impressive.

[@T_3rR4h]

Still one of the best videos you guys did! And guess what... You're due to do another now with the latest generations!

[@VerryJerry90]

Y’all need to do a review on the 2019 Corvette before the 2020 model comes out

[@longhlam1975]

If updating the 370Z to use CVT, then no. Keep it the same.

[@ssjMaximum22Goku]

They would never do that. If the GT-R has a dual-clutch, they definitely wouldn't dare put one in here. The 370 also shares a lot of its characteristics with the G37, so expect Infiniti to influence the next Z (so hopefully a minimum 400hp, like the Red Sport, and a 7 speed, maybe a dual-clutch)

[@fikes73]

I think we can gather, the answer is Miata or new Supra. Just depends on what you want. Compare those two next fellas

[@chisquare5701]

It's not embarrassing that they show you the torque dip. It's honest. I like that they did that instead of covering it up, or just not showing it. Don't encourage corporate dishonesty to customers! Like your work, btw.

[@Fedethedangerous95]

There's quite a good number of things to appreciate in this channel, but just let me say I love your humour! Also because it's not all over the place

[@Sarim_Seth]

18:01 Sound of me going to Jail ... this line wins the internet for me today

[@teamneverlost]

86 wants lowered compression and a fast spooling turbo or supercharger setup aiming for 300hp.. maybe twin charge?

[@beowolf9991]

Supra 😂

[@aarond.6770]

“It’s the sound of me going to jail” lmao

[@randomdude6190]

You guys are the best car reviewers out there! Cheers!

[@SwangaSuiteAuto]

I have a V1 nismo I bought for an absolute steal precovid, and its still kicking strong. I love it. Would never sell.

[@charles-fq2dw]

I miss mines, wish i didnt sell it

[@clavicusvile5450]

Traded my 2014 FR-S for a 2018 370z Sport. Best decision of my life

[@MiguelAngel-wg4ws]

Clavicus Vile man with common sense

[@feixiangtang1735]

Was your FRS paid off? Thinking about doing the same thing but im still doing payments on my FRS wanted to know if it's still possible to do a trade in.

[@clavicusvile5450]

@@feixiangtang1735 : My FR-S was payed off, made the paperwork way easier as well

[@06XTOR]

I actually like the 370 the way it is. Hydraulic steering good ole fashioned sports card normally aspirated can't be that period. all these Turbo 4 bangers are not gonna last very long, pushing these small engines too far

[@gtgokujr]

06XTOR the 86 doesn’t have a turbo

[@06XTOR]

@@gtgokujr yes and it's been pretty reliable... The new one will have a turbo.

[@gtgokujr]

06XTOR is it 100% confirmed rn?

[@06XTOR]

@@gtgokujr Yes! 2.4 litre turbo.

[@gtgokujr]

06XTOR oh damn, is it the one they use in the ascent bc i’ve heard about that but didn’t know it was confirmed.

[@ohcertified]

honestly what does the 2020 370z have that the 2019 370z doesn’t

[@Brock_CO]

Not sure about 2020 specifically but alot of things have changed since the early models. Oil cooler, clutch pedal, backup camera in the mirror, smoked headlights, led DRL's, in 2015 the nismos were entirely redesigned with a new body and interior. I'm missing a bunch but overall the car has been refined and updated, contrary to the rumors.

[@momotaroux264]

Biggest difference is the clutch. 2018 and newer Zs get the Exedy clutch, which also fixed some dumping issues on older models

[@Big__Ry]

The smiles that the 370z Nismo gives you tells you all you need to know.

[@cleonmain1291]

I was able to pickup a 2018 370Z heritage executive program car. ( $27,000 4000 mi extended warranty ) I love it. A great value.

[@its.Andy1]

The 370Z may be old and outdated but there’s honestly no comparison between the two. Even a base model 370Z. 332hp/350hp and 200hp is a big difference. Both cars are meant for handling. Not that I’m bashing on the 86, it looks alright to me.

[@lynnmckenney1987]

Definitely no comparison at all once price comes into play.

[@tmorris413]

Is there any other car similar to the Z with a naturally aspirated motor and manual transmission? Other than Chevrolet, Dodge, Ford ? And under $45k new ?

[@carcaregh4698]

You need the new Supra 2020 with 300+ horse power

[@LivingLifeSlower]

@Amer mur And that a bad thing...why???

[@Dolby109]

That intro was epic...lol. FYI with the brakes on the NISMO Z, years ago...like 2013ish, C&D was driving the NIZMO Z for Lightning Lap, and the car after a lap or two suddenly boiled the brakes and they crashed into a wall. As a response Nissan upgraded the fluid, but C&D tested and found that all it did was get the car an extra hard stop or two, and didn't adress the lack of brake ducting.

[@KosmicKitchen]

'The BRZ and the 86 need a 6 cylinder' - Amen, and I am saying this as a BRZ owner.