2020 Toyota 86 Quick Review // Still Worth It To Buy New?

The 2020 Toyota 86 GT ($36,350 CAD, $30,190 USD) has made a name for itself as a superb entry-level sports car. In this episode of Extra Throttle House, Thomas and James take it out for a quick drive and share their thoughts on how it drives and how it is to live with. Watch!! SUBSCRIBE!!
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[@_g3283]

The ending was golden

[@increase9896]

shower

[@gryphon123456]

It was an amazing ending. 😂

[@EUC-lid]

I, too, prefer the part where it ended.

[@ahmedmiles4580]

i realize it is kinda off topic but does anyone know a good place to watch newly released tv shows online?

[@elishaenoch3158]

@Ahmed Miles Flixportal xD

[@rosscarde6233]

I love how pure this is, just 2 guys loving a great sports car. It’s not all about power and this video is a fine example of that

[@sechabashuping8685]

Unlike Thomas's wife when she... 😂😂😂 Classic ending

[@jaredfehr2000]

🤣

[@leanidnazdrynau6094]

Unlike [insert your name] wife when she ...

[@xFlared]

Removed his pants.

[@BeatTheD3viL]

FYI Thomas's wife is a BMW.

[@jm4runnerpro330]

hahahaha

[@akilpanju9012]

8:37 James had to get Thomas back after the intro to the M3 video 😂

[@unripetomato4312]

This car is a budget Porsche in every way. Light weight, timeless design, no fancy gimmicks or features, just a great and timeless driving machine.

[@subnegro4946]

Finally someone who gets it!

[@unripetomato4312]

@@subnegro4946 the world has needed one of these for a while. just look how well Porsches age! and probably this will age even better because it's a Toyota. I'm only 15 right now, but I cant wait to pick one of these up in a few years with 200-300k on it.

[@subnegro4946]

@@unripetomato4312 wow at 15 you sound very mature. I own a 86 with a turbo kit reliably at 300whp for 4 years, Brembo all around, coilovers and adjustable LCA with 17x9 wheels and 245/40/17 Re71r tires. It feels very sharp and quick enough at 2860lbs with a full tank.

[@unripetomato4312]

@@subnegro4946 thx for the compliment! ok, so I had to google some of what you just said. I understand lingo and measurements just become standard and hard to switch from; like everyone in Europe is familiar with 0-60 etc but why do we need to mix imperial _and_ metric!? you gave me the measurements for your wheels and tires in inches, cm, and mm. learning all this "car language" is like trying to memorize merc model names. like do they realize how little telling me it's a coupe narrows it down for me? anyways seems like you have a nice setup. and not surprised to hear that it's holding up well. I looked up LCA and I was just wondering if it's anything similar to bags. what are the pros and cons of each? are bags cheaper but they mess up your ride more? are bags only supposed to be used when stationary?

[@JCollins38]

@@unripetomato4312 they're great cars, I got my 10 series frs back in November last year and the only other cars I've driven that feel as great to drive handling wise was Porsche and Ferrari, it's that good. When you get one you'll love it, I don't plan on ever getting rid of mine

[@FallenJustice]

I have a 2016 FRS. Would 100% recommend this car. Great, extremely fun daily driver with A LOT of aftermarket parts available to sweeten your ride. Drives and handles super good in the winter with good winter tires. No issues with the car. Only the basic maintenance like oil and brake pads/rotors and brake fluid flush so far.

[@PrincessSaphora]

exactly why i'm getting this - cause i've heard it's good for daily driving in the winter

[@Leonardo-or1ll]

I can confirm. I picked up a 2017 certified preowned one a year ago for a bargain and let me tell you, it doesn’t get old. The previous owner put some trd accessories on and it’s such a fun ride even though its my daily commuter car. I treat it like my baby and hope to get it to at least 300,000 miles

[@stephaniesaphan7652]

Trading my lovely Alfa romeo for this. Turning it down a notch but I'm super excited for it!

[@_zainaful]

Would you still recommend manual even if its being used as a daily? I'm considering the automatic just because I find it more convenient

[@FallenJustice]

@@_zainaful my friend had a manual brz and daily drives it. All depends on what you prefer

[@LoudGuitar14]

I hate that $30K is considered "cheap" now. Pricing on everything is crazy

[@tristanparkk]

I mean... Inflation man, it's just how economics works.

[@null5766]

@@tristanparkk too bad wages don't go up to reflect inflation

[@ShaunMbhiza]

Car basically more than doubled in price in South Africa. So maybe 30Kc$ isn't too bad.

[@bigchief9313]

@@null5766 sticky wages

[@mechanicalmonkey7777]

@@null5766 exact.y were being pushed into a communist program where the rich are rich and the poor are poor and need help because everything will be priced out of our ability.. what do you think is gonna happen from all the inflation from stimulus money? Just wait I know some bankers .. just take a look at the used car market and building materials Used cara 2-3% increase week over week and lumber up 370% and particle board up 600-700%... in the 70s and 80 a new car could be had for 4-10k...i can’t stand people who say it’s all relative because it’s not if you were making 30k in 1980s and make 30k now it’s not relative cus the same stuff costs way more ...now we have inflation from all the money printing to look forward to.. gonna see a digital currency approved by the government’s of the world soon.. mark my words

[@ericsson_motorsports]

The best thing about the new 86/BRZ is that the older ones might finally drop in value

[@kx7zz]

They’re super affordable now as long as you stay away from 2016+ models. searched for a while and found a 2013 brz last November that was one owner with about 80,000 hwy miles for 10,000. not a bad value at all

[@ericsson_motorsports]

@@kx7zz Not that cheap where I live, the cheapest one I could find went for roughly 18 500 us dollars. It had done over 120 000 miles (I converted my units to American ones so it's easier to compare although I don't live there myself)

[@JacesOwnWorld]

They have dropped in value. There are plenty of them being sold for $9k-$13k right now. What you talking about?

[@JacesOwnWorld]

@@ericsson_motorsports you are limiting your focus on an area only next to you. Do that for any car, and the value might seem more than you expected. In general, they aren’t expensive to buy.

[@ericsson_motorsports]

@@JacesOwnWorld Prices are different depending on where you live, it's not the same in the whole world

[@dawsonjohannes613]

I literally just picked up a 2020 BRZ with the performance pack last week. Traded my Fiesta ST for it. Went through CarMax-- very impressed with the experience. Car had 1200 miles on it, and was 28 grand USD, which is like 4 or 5 grand under sticker for a new one in practically the same condition. I have never loved a car so much in my life. So stoked about it.

[@jamesengelsman9369]

Thats epic. Congrats DJ, enjoy it!

[@R8andGT3Fan]

Can't believe how much I've laughed on such a short video! Please don't ever stop doing what you do, guys!

[@Tonga2]

I bought one, built in December 2020 so the end of the run. Feels fabulous!! So much fun to drive. 😁

[@TheWombatCredenza]

Love me some Extra TH!! Now we need Extra Extra TH , taking you behind the scenes of their day to day lives. Too much?

[@unripetomato4312]

No! It's never to much if we have Thomas and and I'm james

[@benten1443]

@@unripetomato4312 Yeah lol

[@DoughnutsInspace]

Well if we don't have to see them in a bathtub together playing with rubber ducks I'm in lol.

[@benten1443]

@@DoughnutsInspace I would pay to see that shit right there... Whatcha talkin about 🙄

[@TheWombatCredenza]

My people!

[@omaralkayal7598]

Since Toyota & Subaru joined forces the quality of Subaru has increased while Toyota had the ability to make really cool cars am so happy for both of them And I actually feel like they should buy Mitsubishi because it’s dying a slow death

[@richardunderwood950]

Flogging my brz is one of my favorite things to do. This car delivers the experience of driving in spades.

[@subnegro4946]

I have own mine for 6 years and I'm not tired of it. I love it!! 4 of my 6 years have been boosted to 300whp+ reliably. It feels like a lil bad ass mobile with sooo much UHD feel through the steering and chassis

[@warboyrb]

Love the enthusiasm!! These guys get it. Can't wait for the frumpy new one to be on sale - that 2.4 is going to be a peach.

[@AlumarsX]

I'm with James. These type of cars keep me hooked into cars.

[@mynismo08]

I’ve had my 2013 FRS for 7 years now and it is still a blast to drive after over 100k miles. I daily drove my car for about 5 years and I am excited to test out the new one. I have fixed the torque dip by putting in an aftermarket exhaust from the header back and tuned it to run on flex fuel. Now it has usable power in all areas of the power band.

[@Blballerboy]

Do you still have it? plan to upgrade to the new gr86?

[@Zuudoh]

i do love that it's not as written out script review its professional casual, i like it

[@smilesic]

man this channel will hit a mil subs at the rate you two are going!

[@kevinc31]

Great extra channel. Awesome platform and I agree with the used purchase. It's a steal.

[@morgandrives]

Best reviewers/drivers on KZbin. Love your stuff! Only problem is I want every 2nd car you review.

[@Mountain413]

I have one, just needed to reinforce the purchase four years ago haha. Love this car and I will keep loving it for years to come.

[@jayjacaty3009]

Love this video. Having owned both Miata and FRS, I prefer the Miata, but love both cars. I've done a lot of autocross in both cars, and both are very rewarding to drive. And that's just it. These cars are for drivers. Thanks for the quick tribute to them.

[@oskarhal97]

It makes me so happy owning this car and everyone praising it 🤗

[@G.Uppercut123]

I’ve owned the 2015 BRZ sport tech Then I went to a 2015 WRX I quickly missed the BRZ… Jumped back into another BRZ I absolutely love it - If you can, Buy the BRZ RS Sport Tech ( Performance Package in the USA) the minor changes in that trim pack is a game changer The perfect livable daily suspension Love this car Will be keeping it until I die

[@FlowStateNewOrleans]

Thanks for not stopping us, Thomas.

[@kyewhite628]

I obtained one new like a few months ago. I'm loving every bit of it.

[@mindspinn311]

4:15 totally agree this has better seats and I owned an ND. Those seats are good at first but after a couple hours they stop making sense.

[@griffingalley5029]

We want throttle house live! Mayb some behind the scenes action or meeting the rest of the crew!!

[@NekoWinters]

Got the hakone and I Love it so much straight up can't stop staring at it after I park, and it's been 2 years since I took it off the show room.

[@hoodieboy1515]

That’s cool how you guys made a video on the 86. I was thinking this year to purchase one in the Philippines :)

[@cedrictheveneau9141]

BRZ/86 are my realistic dream cars (1st Gen tho, I don’t like the styling of the new ones at all) the possibilities are simply endless with this platform, I can’t wait to own one

[@elliottbeetz6753]

YAS PLEASE MIATA VS 86 Thinking about buying one or the other currently. You guys are the best to watch🤙🏻

[@robichmi]

Spot on guys! Good job. You got lots of smiles per gallon on that drive. I have a BMW 128i and a friend of mine has an FR-S. He let try it once and it ruined my BMW. Compared to his car, mine felt like a truck. For the price, you can't beat that.

[@MsSparkleLPS]

i am so excited because tomorrow morning i am picking up the 2020 i just bought!!!!

[@xorbitman]

You guys are fun to watch! After the Pandemic you guys should host the occasional live review with an audience! You know outside somewhere maybe with an event tent.

[@ij2759]

There was no pandemic

[@aidan6557]

This is my new favourite channel

[@emanuellung8806]

I just love these guys! :))

[@Shaxzara]

I Love this channel too thanks for making videos on These More Success and More power to both of u

[@unitedstatesmarine5087]

I picked up the Hakone edition 86. Love it!

[@user-in2en5pv2u]

I owned a 13 BRZ for 5 years and my main complaint with it was that the engine felt like it had a pile of stones mixed in with the oil. It was very coarse and rough to rev out. I didn't really care about the low power because I enjoyed being able to drive balls out most of the time. All the other obvious complaints like cheap interior and loud on the highway can be ignored because that is what you get for a cheap sports car.

[@JS-hw8ve]

Didn't the '13s have an issue with bad valve springs? I heard there was a recall. Or it could have been just how the boxers sound. Even those who love them say they sound like an old tractor.

[@user-in2en5pv2u]

@@JS-hw8ve I don't think the engine roughness was related to the recall. I had the recall done and no change in engine feel. I've driven later year 86s and they feel the same. The engine sound might have attributed to the coarseness.

[@zabzinski]

My '13 blew up after the valve spring recall and Toyota told me to get fucked 👍

[@adamadam6351]

@@zabzinski What did you end up doing with it?

[@treyrees9153]

Honestly if regular throttle house was one take I wouldn't complain. I enjoy the relaxed, not-too-serious vibe of you guys compared to other channels

[@SK8EVRYDAY96]

I subscribed immediately after opening the video

[@aninspiredname]

Don't leave us hanging James! What car was Thomas's wife so disappointed by?

[@dukes3815]

Trust me buddy, he wasn’t talking about a car 😏

[@xFlared]

Not all of us are born with gifted size.

[@silverrain99205]

@@xFlared I am. Wanna see?

[@drod6203]

@@silverrain99205 yeah, prove it

[@nathanmaxtro1]

Bought an 2017 86 about 8 months ago and I love it. Unfortunately it came with worn stock tires which pretty much sucked. Just recently I bought some summer tires and it feels like a new car. I want to take it on a track sometime soon just to see what it can do.

[@robbieowens3943]

I love these videos! Keep them coming. Also, what happened to Thomas' wife!? lol

[@thatlocalcarguy9452]

When you're extra early to an extra throttle house video

[@timothycoyne5874]

I almost bought a new BRZ (in yellow)c5-6 years ago. I loved its looks and how it drove, but I held off because it seemed too small. Ironically, I bought a new ND1 Miata almost 3 years ago, which is of course even smaller. I still love my Miata, but I am very excited about the new BRZ and 86 coming this fall. If it lives up to expectations, I'll sell or trade the Miata for a new BRZ or 86 - but probably the BRZ. I like the front end better, at least in the photos and videos I've seen so far. Also, I'm with you on the turbo thing. I'm glad the new version will be naturally aspirated!

[@Trendyflute]

I love the 86 and am really looking forward to the new one...if I can afford to have another second fun car after my Miata, an 86 of some sort is definitely on my list...and I would be tempted to consider a new one if I could get a good deal, honestly. They seem to have a floor to their depreciation and it'd be nice to know its history from new. But if I couldn't afford a new one I would definitely not be turned away from a used one!

[@mother.russian]

Always reminded me of the more classic z cars. It looks less bulbous than the modern z’s, and to be honest, I think it looks more sporty and just flat out better. It will be interesting to see the new versions of these cars come up against the 400z. I think they will become very competitive, especially since the new versions of these seem to becoming more hatchback-esque and they seem to almost share the same grill and headlight styling as the 400z. Very similar price range too. I’m incredibly excited as I love the old Z cars. I’d love to hear your analysis this too!

[@jamesfilosa6277]

Love the content!

[@markfletcher6504]

Well you guys have done your job, I am saving for a nc mazda mx5 to get the fun sports car experience! Good job.

[@pranavdubey3333]

James is so sophisticated 😂

[@iMidnightMonster]

"I'm extra Thomas.. and i'm extra James!"

[@riffle91ar]

I almost chocked on my food at the end 🤣🤣🤣☠️☠️☠️

[@businessmanph]

As a miata owner with full bolt ons. The 86 trd was a very nice car. Smooth steering and handling. Clutch and shifting nice. Good looks minus the hot wheel stickers.

[@reality915]

The ending was 👍

[@Martinbj1992]

I loved the ending xD

[@SaintsAwayOllie]

I was going to get one next year. But I’m now gonna wait to see the reviews on the new one..

[@phenomanal356]

Can't wait for the all new one

[@shisui3436]

I bought a GT86 Dragon Edition which cost me 28k € and i am super Happy. I will buy the GR86 aswell and collect all of the 86 Family. After the GR86, the AE86 will come

[@trk3707]

Unlike Thomas's wife when she... WE NEED A PART 2 🤣

[@scottstratton9265]

I bought one of the last BRZs at the dealership, made 12/20. In blue like this 86. I am loving it and was afraid this video was going to say to wait for the new one in 2022!

[@akilpanju9012]

Perfect timing. My class just ended.

[@minusCEE]

I owned the car, gave me smile every time I get to a corner, the only thing I regret was slapping the turbo on it. Yeah call me weird.

[@Rawas100]

I'm curious because I have my eye on the new one. Why did you regret the turbo? Isn't more power usually better?

[@minusCEE]

@@Rawas100 it's personal preference, I prefer NA feel, it's slower but it's not like I drag race the car or straight line is what this car was designed for

[@alexmoore5970]

@@minusCEE why didn't you centrifugal supercharge it then?

[@Bartonovich52]

A centrifugal supercharger is nearly as bad as a turbocharger. There’s no lag, but the boost delivery isn’t linear. What the automotive industry needs to figure out is a decent axial supercharger. As efficient as turbocharger or centrifugal supercharger, but with the linear delivery of a Roots blower. But other than a very few in specialized applications, there aren’t many due to size, cost, complexity, and noise (you’d have to have a bleed valve-kind of like a blow off valve-open at idle to get rid of the unwanted boost). No.. for a pure experience, the predictably of NA will always win. This car isn’t for winning drag races. Buy a top spec family sedan and it will go faster. It’s for YOUR experience.

[@joekoz3815]

I have owned one for a year and love it. Everyone who sees it also love it. People think it is a very expensive sports car.

[@strech5412]

My B8R6Z specialist in NorCal (the Racer’s Line - they’re fantastic!) says that most of their customers are former BMW types.

[@andyreichert499]

I almost bought one of these a few years ago, until the perfect 987 appeared before me.

[@JacesOwnWorld]

I almost bought one years ago, until I got bored of its acceleration from the first pull...

[@Andrew83194]

Would love to see the 2022 brz/86 vs Miata and the new 400z

[@Zarcoil]

Great little car!

[@pappaslivery]

Whoa, could I get a video just explaining extra throttle house

[@MrFuckinglogin]

I watched the whole episode for the ending ahaha

[@catsexe6932]

I would buy one of these

[@geoffcarsten1031]

I did. The best thing Ive ever done for myself. I love her.

[@wanghanshen]

This video explains why I own a ND 1 & a 2020 Toyota 86

[@86gt42]

Thanks for the vid! love to see that my car is still cool and appreciated. Let me know on some good upgrades for beginners like me ( for the chat ) Thank You!

[@toddkokko5049]

Header and a tune. Wider tires. All the other stuff I did was just to be different.

[@86gt42]

@@toddkokko5049 Thank you very much!

[@K03sport]

Yes. I still wish I bought the '19/' 20 Limited BRZ over the WRX I left the dealer in. Granted, the BRZ on the lot was Silver and I didn't want a/another silver car. Slow or not its a fabulous car. I can only hope the 2022 is just as good.

[@Dia1Up]

Well, the nice thing about these, is cheap to fix, and you aren't afraid to absolutely beat the crap out of it. If I spent the money on a zl1, I'd be afraid to use it as intended

[@TheTruGorzi]

Was debating between a lightly used 86, Miata, and Mini Cooper S since they cost similar in the US. Ended up picking up the Mini after I test drove both. The interior of the Mini was light years better than both, I could just not live with the 86 or Miata one. The Mini was surprisingly bigger in the interior as well and is turbo charged so a light tune, but I haven't gotten to the point where I need to do that. All 3 are really fun to drive as they are unique for sure tho.

[@SilverScarletSpider]

Please do more extra throttle house. Review anything and everything! Hell bring a used Honda Fit or BMW X3 around town for a video.

[@BB-zv8tx]

I like how TH's side channel is better than all of the coveted car vlogger main channels (SC Blondie, Shmee, Salomondrin etc.)

[@dannyphillips8793]

so explain Extra Throttle House to me again? i'm confused... Is this the main channel?

[@someone123421]

this is the main channel but they have one called Throttle House for extra content if you like them!

[@darian1540]

@@someone123421 other way around bro

[@Stormtrooper-oc4vn]

These guys are fake... There's a real channel called throttle house and these guys call themselves extra throttle house... They need to either face each other in a boxing ring or something.

[@quarthmeat1884]

@@darian1540 🦝

[@Sahbab11]

@@Stormtrooper-oc4vn yeah these are two 12 year olds using face matching software.. pretty depressing if you ask me

[@justiceao]

went from a 18’ performance pack brz to a 2021 wrx sti day and night difference but the brz is amazing if anyone’s considering it you should do it

[@Bartonovich52]

And I went from a nice India Pale Ale to a 12 year old single malt. They are about as comparable.

[@crimsonmustang8026]

@@Bartonovich52 dank

[@ollie-t7862]

Can’t wait for the GR86, same philosophy more power. Will be one of the best cars on the market for sure

[@syedrehanfida]

Please make longer videos on this channel :)

[@sidneyrobinson9186]

LoL love it as always

[@jannonflores1113]

Can you guys make a review of the Subaru Crosstrek? It’s popular here in Canada and thinking of buying one ☝️

[@gregtrumpet1]

Really like your stuff guys! Time to stop apologising for Extra channel

[@jimwokeup]

I hate that I love how they end these videos.

[@extrazachary6880]

IM SUPER EARLY HERE At 100 views 🔥🔥🔥🔥💯

[@DaddyDan77]

Eh wait for the new one - no replacement for displacement. 😉 Plus if they keep the port + direct injection it might be worth keeping for a few hundred thousand miles.

[@bittertruth0000]

I would love to see comparison between BRZ/86 vs Miata vs Fiat 124 Abarth .

[@niftycritters7156]

Show on Amazon prime called everday driver I believe 30min high quality episode with just that!

[@Cypress_green]

best motoring did that already, they had a battle with the 3 of them

[@justFiji]

@@niftycritters7156 Everyday Driver is on youtube too.

[@ervin7178]

Savage geese has a s2000 vs Miata vs 86 video that is great.

[@jamiegarth3146]

For the people who have actually driven a BRZ or 86 in Canadian winters, is it doable? I’m thinking of getting the new generation in a few years and wondering if it can be an all-year daily? It’s the ground clearance I’m most worried about in the snow and the new gen will be 1/2 “ lower (I think)

[@misterpotato4775]

The looks of this car is way better than the fish look and the rear look of the new 86🤣. I rather get this than the new ones

[@XavierEyez]

Things to consider before buying this from a former 86 owner. 1. TRD exhaust sounds great but drones at highway speeds. 2. The torque dip requires you too keep the car at 4500 RPM or higher. 3. Do not go lower than gt trim, as the cable linkage for HVAC controls on the lower trims feels so cheap. Lastly, don’t think I hate it. Compared to my 19 mustang gt, the 86 is playful, more forgiving, cheaper to run and amazing steering.

[@boijoker]

This is helpful because I want this car for myself. Bless you guys and all that will see this comment

[@zackatron925]

Don’t buy it man, look at a genny coupe or something with 6cylinders lol unless is a Subaru

[@prabh8197]

@@zackatron925 get outta here🤣🤣

[@zackatron925]

@@prabh8197 another member of 4cyl gang huh

[@prabh8197]

@@zackatron925 another hater huh

[@leslie7872]

This channel should be used for some POV reviews similar to Trophers or Tedwards channel hence the lower production compared to your main channel. Since you guys live with these cars for a week or so, may as well strap a go pro on yourself and film a quick drive and interior/exterior walkarounds for overall first impressions.

[@DriveVersity]

6:15 amen 🙏🏽 I’m just happy to see these on the road and that they exist at all. These are going to be the cars future generations desire looking back like the way we do looking at supras, 300ZX’s, Silvias, integras, 3000GTs, etc. Because they offer a simplistic sports car experience without the distractions. Not saying the 86/BRZ are on the same performance playing field as some of those other cars, but they do the formula of simple sports car fun that you can go ape shit with mods if you want justice. They’re a smiles per gallon car. Period.

[@t.k.morris]

I have never even driven one but I agree. A couple of my favorite all time cars owned were a 1986 Mazda RX7 2+2 and a 1993 Honda Prelude. Both were purchased new with manual transmissions. And I have owned several cars with over 300 hp. Also with manuals! I very much have enjoyed the 2006 Mazda3 5 speed sedan I bought new and it is currently my daily driver until I get my next new car. Oh, and I had a 2003 350z I bought new but with an automatic. I drove it, liked it, and bought it because I couldn't wait for a manual. It just didn't satisfy me in the long run because it was an automatic.

[@DriveVersity]

@@t.k.morris wow those are some awesome cars to have owned!!! And I love Zs!!! Actually considering one still going to compare it with some of the new sports cars we have today and go from their but I’ve always appreciated them and adored them. I love the Mazda3 too and my dads had 3 of them haha sometimes we’ll switch cars just so I can drive his and I drive a GTI lmao they’re so much fun and so engaging. I can definitely see how the automatic wouldn’t work for you long term coming from driving manuals mostly. I’m trying to get into the habit of driving manual more often myself but traffic is just getting worse everyday and driving skills are on an decline

[@chuckselvage3157]

I used to work for Toyota and leased one great motor