THUNDERBOLTS* Trailer Reaction- Not GOOD...But Not Much WORSE Than Any Of The Other MCU Movies

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@DIOBrando-ij2bp Ай бұрын

Action movies, and big studio genre movies, have been so bad since around the 2010s started that stuff from the ‘90s and 2000s that just seemed kind of good or even bad now come off as fantastic in comparison. Last year when I was out of town I ended up rewatching The Relic, now I liked The Relic when it came out, but I also didn’t exactly think of it as something super special back in 1997. But today? I can’t even imagine a studio making a $60 million R rated monster movie that’s as violent as The Relic is, not as a studio project anyway. Maybe post Deadpool and Wolverine they might, but this was last year; but even then it probably wouldn’t have some big cool looking practical monster FX they built for it. A movie I always had big problems with was Spielberg‘s War of the Worlds from ‘05. Back in 2005 it just felt too constrained by its PG-13 rating. You got these scenes where they’re acting like there’s dead people strewed about but there’s nobody there, and you can guess there’s nobody there because it’s PG-13. But in 2023... I still have problems with it, but in comparison to what gets made now it feels stupid to even have problems. In a world where TV hacks that don’t know what they’re doing are directing big budget action movies, I’ll take toned down 2005 PG-13 War of the Worlds Steven Spielberg. Also in 2023 the soft 2005 PG-13 movie seems hard compared to what the PG-13 (most modern PG-13 movies feel like PG movies where they say “shit” sometimes and maybe “fuck” once) has become today with its Martian tripods shooting fountains of blood out like it’s Fargo, and spreading the red weed made of people that creates pools of blood in the environment. The Edward Norton Hulk movie was always MCU. It’s the Ang Lee Hulk movie wasn’t, although they kind of played it like the Norton movie was a follow-up. The Ang Lee movie ended with him in South America, the MCU Norton movie starts with him still in South America. That first Avengers movie reused things from both the Hulk movies. It reused the Hulk bottling factory chase scene, and it used the bit from Ang Lee’s Hulk movie where he’s on top of the jet. I’m not as gung ho on that Norton Hulk movie as you seem to be, but that movie does have the best “Captain America” fight scene in the whole MCU when the still human Blonsky takes on the Hulk. That Hulk movie had Louis Leterrier directing, the guy that did The Transporter, meaning it’s one of the few MCU movie with a director that actually knows how to do action. Marvel should’ve brought Leterrier back to do Captain America stuff, do a movie with human characters that was full of fight scenes like that Blonsky one. That first Avengers movie is also horrible, Joss Whedon hadn’t learned to direct yet and is doing his worst Michael Bay impression with his camera setups, it’s full of unfunny and stupid dialogue, (the whole red ledger scene) and Whedon very clearly does not know what to do with everyone. During the SHIELD Helicarrier attack everyone gets a thing to do, and Captain America’s thing to do is turn a thing on, and his action scene during the attack ends up being: Trying to no fall out of the Helicarrier. Maybe someone could shoot those scenes of Captain America trying to hold on and not fall and made them really exciting and cinematic, but Joss Whedon was not that person. Although by Age of Ultron either he’s better, or he’s better at letting some action director on second unit do things without messing it up. I’d contend there’s probably like 6 good MCU movies. The MCU has always been kind of weird, because it’s largely a series of action comedy movies, and since the first Iron Man movie the action in this action movies has never really been good. It’s actually a little disheartening that the big series of action movies of the last 14 years kind of sucks as doing action, and ends up burying better action movies in the process. Like the 2010 Planet of the Ape movies (especially Dawn and War), 2012, Edge of Tomorrow, Oblivion, Upgrade, Kingsman, Kong Skull Island, X-Men: First Class, X-Men: Days of Future Past, Last Stand, Sherlock Holmes: A Game of Shadows are all better movies than the majority of what comes out of the MCU...better than the best MCU stuff even. Even some movie like the 2011 Green Hornet movie, Michel Gondry is doing some stuff in that that’s cooler than almost any action scene in a MCU movie, and the end chase is where the car gets cut in half is pretty great, if an MCU movie had a chase scene that good it’d be talked about for years.

@ClownfishTV Ай бұрын

Marvel’s The Leftovers*

@SlaserX Ай бұрын

So the Suicide Squad?

@JamescMichel Ай бұрын

I think we didn’t pay much attention to the quips and “Tee Hee” humor from the previous movies because the action and story was front and center. Now, it seems the quips and humor are dominant and it’s just cringe.

@markriedel1977 Ай бұрын

I think of a movie like Ghostbusters 2016, felt like a bad SNL skit which kept going on and on.

@dylives7667 Ай бұрын

Friendly Reminder: There are 2 Thunderbolts. 1 of them is with Red Hulk, Elektra, Punisher and Dedpool. This isn't that one.

@AmberSmith-zx2rp Ай бұрын

There are 3 then... One before they made it a Suicide Squad knockoff and two after...

@Ash-Winchester Ай бұрын

Also agent venom. Ghost rider was also a member for a little bit. Oh and the leader.

@ComicBookMuscle Ай бұрын

@@dylives7667 😮‍💨oof

@NightJaeger Ай бұрын

The Busiek/Nicieza Thunderbolts was what got me into superhero comics. USAgent is one of my favourite Marvel characters. This film has neither of those things, but I'll still give it a go. Oh, wait - does Bucky take his metal arm out of a dishwasher? I'm not watching this.

@bradleysmit1842 Ай бұрын

They're trying really hard to make White Widow seem like she'd make a good team leader...I think the MCU Disney Plus series have effectively killed any excitement for MCU movies because of that oversaturation. This just looks like a team up made-for-TV movie, for Disney.

@paintsius Ай бұрын

I think she is the best actor of the current crop, so I'd say it's a good move to give her the most screentime

@shadowdramon01 Ай бұрын

I think the asterisk is a reference to the fact that there’s not a single Thunderbolt in the film, even though the MCU has already introduced it’s version of Baron Zemo. I’ve heard that this team is the Dark Avengers just using the Thunderbolts’ name for some reason.

@dylives7667 Ай бұрын

@@shadowdramon01 Straight up false advertisement.

@albertogarcia305 Ай бұрын

None of the OG thunderbolts?? No. But a bunch of these guys have been on the thunderbolts before

@bradleysmit1842 Ай бұрын

I might be in the minority here, but I like the MCU John Walker, he might be a dick but he won me over when he lost his cool after his friend was slain by those terrorist guys in Falcon Cap's show. So I'm good with seeing him and Sebastian Stan's Winter Soldier on the same team. I'd say it still counts as a trailer review, even if it's a second watching- gives you more time to better come up with a thesis.

@RegardingBeau Ай бұрын

You know what else better than you remember? Buckaroo Banzai. Even if it’s only been 6 months.

@ddw1272 Ай бұрын

Congrats to Frank Black and the Pixies for getting paid for Where is my Mind again

@univeriseman8008 Ай бұрын

Hey let's throw a bunch of who gives a fuck on a team and give them some generic ass we are morally grey bad guy lines over and over with meh action Cuz we as the MCU company no longer has any reason to make MCU content beyond we will never put a conclusion on it.

@MrDman21 Ай бұрын

Pretty much.

@dylives7667 Ай бұрын

@@univeriseman8008 US Agent AKA Captain America at home and Bucky are gonna try their best to carry the movie. Because they'll be the sole reason people go to see it.

@univeriseman8008 Ай бұрын

@@dylives7667 Bucky has been passed around like a fucking whore without any worth while character arc attached. Kevin Feigie doesn't have a good writing team. he has people who throw darts at a board like an AI generator

@theritchie2173 Ай бұрын

I wonder if they'll make Julia Louis-whatsit do the Elaine dance? I honestly don't think we could rule it out at this point. I would probably watch this on a long flight, if I'd already seen everything else.

@northoftoofar3772 Ай бұрын

Whedon humor is painfully easy to write, but it has a very short shelf life.

@deepfriedokra Ай бұрын

I think it’s like Stan Lee’s dialogue…it seems easy to imitate but it’s hard to imitate well. As annoying as Whedon’s humor can be when done well and in doses it really did work. His legion of imitators? Not so much

@mateusbelmont5317 Ай бұрын

The thumbnail you used made me think it was a fan made trailer

@mikew4436 Ай бұрын

What? A Transformer movie that's made for kids?! Next thing you'll tell me is that it's just to sell some toys!

@dereksookdeo1720 Ай бұрын

Watch Transformers One in theaters! I know the humor looks off-putting and at times it can be overdone, but it has much better writing than all of the live action movies (I know that's a low bar)

@ericandrew9214 Ай бұрын

Zero interest and hard pass. Thunderbolts was one of my favorite comics. There is nothing even remotely related to the source material here.

@ItsMeRedBrick Ай бұрын

I loved edward norton as the hulk, i thought he captured bruce banner way better than mark ruffalo ever did. Glad to know im not alone

@lasvegased863 Ай бұрын

I would love for Zach to review the next Thunferbolts trailer using all Rocky Horror call-out references.

@william5361 Ай бұрын

I’ve been missing a lot of super hero movies lately, but I actually want to see this one. I used to read Thunderbolts back in the day, and I enjoyed the book. Although, this isn’t the classic team, or even the Dark Reign team. Also, I’m not crazy about all the “Sooooo that’s a thing” humor in the trailer, but it’s 2024, that battle was lost years ago, and you’re just going to have to tolerate some of that in your movies. Back in 2018, I got about half way through Deadpool 2 and I swore to myself if I ever saw Wade Wilson again it would be too soon. But I saw Deadpool and Wolverine last month with family and friends and ended up enjoying it a lot. So I’m still willing to give Marvel a chance.

@2ndstreetmarvel Ай бұрын

🤘🏿Good morning, Zack.🤘🏿 I can’t say I’m excited for Thunderbolts, but I’ll check it out. Can’t be anything close to the OG comic run, that’s for sure.

@MrDman21 Ай бұрын

Zack up there roasting Florence Pugh 😂

@ViperChief117 Ай бұрын

I still have no intentions of watching this film in theaters. Since I have no idea who any of these characters are.

@sad_michael Ай бұрын

Does that Bob joke sound familiar? Lewis Pullman's character's callsign in Top Gun: Maverick was Bob. Now Lewis Pullman's Character's name in Thunterbolts is Bob. wtf is going on here?

@MrDman21 Ай бұрын

I'm guessing that's supposed to be Hydra Bob 🤷🏽‍♂️

@realshinobi Ай бұрын

@@MrDman21 It's The Sentry

@filter021 Ай бұрын

If women can really fight like the no neck chick in the trailer then the I.D. channel wouldn't be a thing.

@davidjack2051 Ай бұрын

To summarize my previous comment, it's NOT politics that's the problem with post-Endgame MCU. The problem is most of the writers and directors demonizing anybody who even remotely disagrees with them and out-of-character behavior.

@GameBeatenakaKevinS Ай бұрын

At some point after watching so many MCU films, I went and watch the first Sam Raimi Spider-Man again, and it just felt so refreshing. Just a stand-alone movie, focused on the titular character, and it's not part of some big universe and being used as a vehicle to introduce another character that's going to pop up in a related movie. The first Iron Man movie is in a similar situation.

@AutobotWonko Ай бұрын

I wish they had made a Thunderbolts movie about the actual Thunderbolts.

@xeroforhire Ай бұрын

The answer is yes. You can still count it as a reaction. And I was going to superimpose the video over my reaction, but then I saw that all of the sound got muted on Tyrone magnus's channel because he panned on it. So I'm basically doing a really similar thing to what you're doing here as well

@jAAbRON Ай бұрын

Thank you for shouting out Edward Norton Hulk, it was my first favorite MCU movie before I fell in love with Winter Soldier. I know it has lots of problems but I consistently enjoy it every time I watch.

@andrewdau1299 Ай бұрын

It's a genuinely good Hulk movie and it's a shame the MCU has never done a solo Hulk movie since. I always felt like as the MCU went on the Hulk got done dirty.

@dantekinkade8765 Ай бұрын

Funny enough the one thing from the 90's I never watched and is a lot better and more fun then the spin off series is JAG. Seriously for Navy Lawyers they sure get in a lot of adventures and firefights. 90's style, so you know it is over the top and fun.

@Ash-Winchester Ай бұрын

They're not the thunderbolts, they're the thunderboltsterisk, hence the asterisk after their name. Also, this is just me, but I think US agent's costume would work so much better for captain anarchy given how the whole outfit just screams anti captain america. And yes captain anarchy is a thing. He's from earth 138, he's one of spider-punk's allies.

@markriedel1977 Ай бұрын

It doesn't look like Spykids 3D like Ant-Man 3 did, and that's a step up for me. Action scenes look good, the humor isn't as bad as in the past, I feel better about this than some other stuff which became too jokey (Thor 4).

@tapout928 Ай бұрын

Captain America: The First Avenger is Full Metal Jacket for 12 year olds.

@Ionicblood666 Ай бұрын

Taskmaster alone can complete any of these missions. Weeellllll in the comics anyway.

@erocshivoni Ай бұрын

I can't take hearing "Where Is My Mind" anymore. Doesn't matter what remix or cover it is, I can't stand it anymore.

@MilleniumFalconSuperCool74 Ай бұрын

I feel the same way about “Everlong” and “Wonderwall.”

@charlesharrison1907 Ай бұрын

I have faith in this Thunderbolts movie. I think it looks okay but I’m here for Bucky. I like the trailer.

@The_Burning_Sensation Ай бұрын

Sure, the lighting and cinematography is weak, and the characters are D-tier, but at the least the "hot" girl is a solid 6.

@1001johny Ай бұрын

Leave Florence Phugh's neck alone Zack! She had breast in Oppenheimer, I don't care if she has no neck ;p

@stunsisacul Ай бұрын

I kept expecting something big to hook me and hype me and it just never happened. And the trailer looked like the movie doesn’t know what it wants to be.

@ChadTownsend Ай бұрын

The asterisk is used commonly for omitted information. For instance someone in baseball had a record and it was found out they used steroids and the record was dismissed. But that asterisk still sits there next to their name.

@DefDungeon Ай бұрын

Transformers One was amazing! SEE IT IN THEATERS!

@CharlesFlahertyB Ай бұрын

Just watched it, not great, not terrible Also, Ang Lee Hulk is best Hulk

@httm241 Ай бұрын

How can something this allegedly expensive look so cheap?

@____________________519 Ай бұрын

Iron Man was good, much better than I expected. Iron Man 2 felt like fluff, I didn't like Iron Man 3 very much Incredible Hulk was pretty good, better than the Eric Bana one in terms of dumb hulk action. Captain America 1 was a formulaic WWII movie, Captain America 2 is the most overrated one in the MCU in my opinion. Captain America 3 was an avengers movie and was mostly enjoyable because cameos. I like GOTG 1, it's my favorite, so I can't say I'm immune to dumb marvel humor, but I think it's really because it's the most "out there" of the MCU, it's got different characters that aren't just knockoffs of other more popular characters, and because it's set in space. Mixed feelings about 2 and haven't seen 3 Thor movies were kind of baseline OK, 3 was good the first time I saw it, but doesn't hold up on repeated viewings I don't think. Avengers 1 is legit good, it references everything that came before without all those previous movies feeling like homework, Avengers 2 wasted ultron and James Spader. 3 and 4 were a great way to wrap up this franchise, I've rewatched them a few times and they didn't bother me much. The 3 spider man movies were likewise ok, not as good as Tobey's first and second movie (unsurprisingly) I think, taken together, the MCU movies were mostly "good enough", even the bad ones didn't make me angry or not have a good time. The marvel humor has always been there, but is much more pronounced after phase 1. I stopped watching marvel movies after Shang-Chi, which I watched on the high seas to figure out what the abomination cameo from the trailer was about, and when it was nothing more than a memberberry I decided I didn't need any more MCU in my life. I stopped watching MCU shows after Falcon and the winter soldier. One thing I will credit the birthday party clowns with on that one, John Walker was the best part of that show, he had an arc, pathos, was relatable, and wasn't drowned out by marvel humor. The writing of that show seemed like it wanted people to hate him, but I don't think that's how most people felt by the end. Honestly, I don't really care about much of anything in this new trailer, but would be nice if they lean more into that flawed relatability. If only I had any faith whatsoever in their ability to deliver on that.

@wesleyhall3554 Ай бұрын

Honestly, I'm somewhat hopeful. I enjoyed the trailer. It's not avengers level excitement and I don't think this is some return to greatness, but it seems like it'll be fairly solid. Predictable and quippy, sure. I saw TF one with my kids yesterday. It was really good and wasn't all that kiddie. It was kid friendly, so you may not want to go to the theater, but it's really entertaining.

@samhighvoltage Ай бұрын

They used my favorite Pixies song for the trailer and that kept me in it, but it's interesting to throw in US Agent, Red Guardian, White Widow and Sentry in the same movie and expect them to fight 😂

@madmanga64 Ай бұрын

It’s Ya Boi! cant say I agree, I think it will be a fun movie to watch with a bunch of friends on a Saturday

@mymindraces6801 Ай бұрын

"Someone wants us gone..." Yeah, the audience lol this has all the ingredients of the early Marvel movies, sure... but lacks the charisma and execution.

@DoomRulz Ай бұрын

I watched it and shrugged at the end. I didn't see anything that I haven't seen before, and quite honestly, likely in far better movies.

@GrahamBradley Ай бұрын

As spent as I am on the MCU (haven't watched in years), the trailer at least looks cool, and there is potential with the Winter Soldier involved. I'll wait for a review or two (got my own sources) but I won't rule it out. Something spy-adjacent with this lineup could still work.

@GrahamBradley Ай бұрын

(Dammit I know they're gonna ruin Bucky...)

@gryndkor Ай бұрын

Even David Ayre's Suicide Squad will be better than this...and though I liked that, James Gunn blew that out the water with his version!

@francorota8638 Ай бұрын

I like your honest opinions. Unfortunately the only films I watch these days are the ones that aren't covered by anyone. I don't want my expectations to lower and I hate being spoiled by reviewers.

@countgiraffe6661 Ай бұрын

My biggest issue is that the team is just boring.

@andrewdau1299 Ай бұрын

There's a lot of overlap in terms of powersets. You have 2 super soldiers on the same team. 2 stealth specialists as well. It's kind of redundant.

@countgiraffe6661 Ай бұрын

@@andrewdau1299 Marvel could have made another interesting team, like the GotG. But, oh well.

@davidjack2051 Ай бұрын

The first problem with most of the post-Endgame MCU movies and shows is that they're making a lot of characters who are meant to be 99% serious make constant jokes and quips when it's NOT in character for them to do so. The second problem is that most post-Endgame MCU movies demonize anybody who's even remotely to the right of Karl Marx, like a left-wing version of Pureflix.

@frankjaeger1064 Ай бұрын

I keep hearing that Transformers 1 is pretty good so I'll probably check it out, but I just can't stand the new artstyle. I loved the technical, clicking and clanking, individual mechanical components of the Transformers in the Bay films, T1 just looks like silicon to me.

@AxDenominal Ай бұрын

Is going to be a generic action movie with marvel characters and references

@paintsius Ай бұрын

Im thought it was fine, im looking forward to watching it at home

@AyumuNarumi75 Ай бұрын

The Squidward joke was dumb. Let's insult an alien with a reference he wouldn't even know.

@metalmoviesbrewskys Ай бұрын

Movies are 5 bucks 3 days a week now. Bucky, Russell & Harbour I'll watch it for 5 bucks.

@silencedmaxim5889 Ай бұрын

The only reason I want to see this movie is Bucky. Other than that, I don't care about the other characters. Captain Knockoff maybe a little, but I never cared nearly as much for him than other people.

@CraZY.pRIME. Ай бұрын

Transformers One is decent enough, it isn't a lot of jokes. The voice work didn't do it for me that much, it wasn't horrible but I'm not a big Hemsworth fan as Optimus. As for it being for kids not so much.

@terrencekelly2508 Ай бұрын

Yeah, never got into the mcu movies. Im partial to sam rami spiderman and fox xmen, but im a filthy causal.

@joshuajohnson413 Ай бұрын

Do you think you’d ever do review of the older marvel movies?

@MrDman21 Ай бұрын

"Are you not entertained?" - Marvel Studios 😏

@ComicBookMuscle Ай бұрын

Trailers are meant to convince you to go watch a film. This didn’t convince me to go watch Thunderbolts. Ergo, I can not and will not recommend. See how that works?