What if Itachi & Pain Swapped Fights?

[@wingshad0w00982]

Just a reminder of Pain vs Kurenai and Asuma. Pain wrecked the whole leaf village including Kurenai. So unless Asuma was that big a difference, pains got this

[@KeizerSosebee]

Kurenai was in the safe house under the great stone faces, due to her being pregnant

[@4eyezwhitedragon]

@@KeizerSosebeehonestly they should've still utilized her, the queen of genjutsu would've dog walked pain no dif

[@dekaiaverett3265]

Did anybody question this?

[@frankiejones7858]

I mean you have to remember their mission so i don’t think he’d bring all of them plus genjutsu does work on pain

[@Hollow_Rain31]

As a whole with shinra tensei Asuma doesn't make much of a difference. However he's well skilled enough that with a proper strategy he could be utilized very well. Especially in a team with Kakashi, Choji, and Choza.

[@shafeckbrown496]

Are we forgetting that Nagato was able to sense Kabuto while Kabuto used a jutsu to hide himself from beimg sensed even though he was in edo, others couldn't sense him?!!

[@PuffPuffPass123]

His and kabutos chakra are connected just like all the other edos, didn't Itachi say that he could sense him too?

[@husrebel494]

oh snapp@@PuffPuffPass123

[@johnchris2122]

​@@PuffPuffPass123nobody could tell kabutos location except nagato

[@PuffPuffPass123]

@@johnchris2122 when itachi and Sasuke discovered what kabutos chakra felt like both could sense him even when hiding in the cave

[@johnchris2122]

@@PuffPuffPass123 I don't think itachi and Sasuke had any sensory ability so to say, I think what you be. Referring to was when itachi used his susano to protect Sasuke, to which itachi said he bet on the odds that Kabuto was more likely to attack Sasuke

[@SpammytheHedgehog]

Imagine how sad it would be for Itachi if he attacked the Leaf.

[@ThunderGodTG]

We did not keep with that somewhat here but he ain’t cleaning the leaf for shit, pains stamina reserves make Itachi look like a Genin. Not saying Itachi has low reserves but, Pain’s are just that massive.

[@hyruleking8116]

I mean I think Itachi can get rid of a lot of people silently since he doesn’t alarm anyone when going through the barrier

[@ThunderGodTG]

Agreed he’d never be as loud as pain

[@Blubackbub]

He would do fine. He just wouldn't do it like Pain. Pain is careless because he has the luxury of 6 lives and tons of Chakra. Itachi literally ALWAYS uses the least amount of moves and Chakra necessary to win his fight (which he also always does. Zero -Ls. Pain has 1 and Nagato has 1). Funny you mention it too because Pains L was literally because he invaded Konoha.

[@RumplestillSkin99]

Got a reason why he didn't he simply couldn't

[@SirGregarious]

The thumbnail teaser got me a little excited for this one. Based on the thumbnail alone, I was going to say Pain clears everything up to Sage Kabuto and Itachi only clears Kakashi. I was saving the full wall of text effort for a hypothetical Sasuke video that may or may not be coming eventually, but I'll do it for this one because it's such a fun topic. Just going to lay this out at the start, Itachi has a way tougher set of fights to deal with because Pain's caliber of opponent is consistently higher due to him generally being stronger and requiring stronger narrative forces to fight him with one exception. Hanzo vs Itachi: Pretty cut and dry, Itachi has no chance. You don't even need to go very deep on this one because Hanzo's lore implications are so crazy due to being able to wage war against Prime Hiruzen at all. Hanzo also stared down Gedo Mazo and the Soul Sealing Dragon without blinking, which is rather telling. This can succinctly be be done by direct comparison as well in that Itachi ran away from Jiraiya who barely survived a fight against Hanzo. Asuma and Kurenai vs Pain: At least Asuma dies before having his kid in this time line. But really, there was a little bit of downplay. Genjutsu was shown to be effective against the Paths of Pain in the form of Ibiki during Pain's Invasion, and Kurenai has statements regarding her as the Leaf's most adept Genjutsu user which would place her above Ibiki on that statement. Losing a Genjutsu battle against Itachi isn't exactly an anti-feat because that would happen to almost everyone in the series. Asuma was able to out do Hidan in a full brawl and has some good techniques, as well as had the respect of Kakashi and Guy. It's reasonable to say that between Asuma and Kurenai together could beat at least one Path. Sage Jiraiya vs Itachi: Pretty cut and dry, Itachi has no chance. This is probably the spiciest take that I have, but I still think base Jiraiya stomps Itachi. Itachi doesn't have defense against Swamp of the Underworld. There are arguments to be made about Gamabunta being too skilled of a boss summon for Itachi as well just on the grounds that he fought Kurama and Shukaku and won, but I don't think they matter so much here. The argument that Sage Mode takes too much time for Jiraiya to summon is nonsensical because he was able to do it against Pain, who was pretty much the strongest person on the planet at that point in time. If Jiraiya can get into Sage Mode against Pain, few people could ever stop him from doing it. Totsuka Blade has only hit targets that were not moving. The only realistic win condition for Itachi is Tsukuyomi, which seems unlikely given how knowledgeable Jiraiya is about genjutsu and not falling for combat tricks in general. If Jiraiya gets Sage Mode, genjutsu does not work on him due to his chakra constantly being disrupted by Ma and Pa. None of this analysis really matters though because we do in fact have an explicit non-ambiguous statement about this match up that people choose to ignore for whichever reason they choose. Guy vs Pain: This one wasn't in the thumbnail so I was happy to see it in the video. I like this one a lot because it goes in to Part 1 Guy scaling, which is interesting to me. One of the first statements we have about Guy is word for word "Truth is, I'm stronger than Kakashi." and it is completely accurate when he says it. Kakashi is still out of practice at that point in time, which Kakashi admits to himself after Kabuto outplays him. Guy's nickname of Blue Beast implies that he has Hirudora at this point, and that people have seen him use it. This implies that Old Hiruzen, Tsunade and Jiraiya are all above that Guy even with Hirudora considered as they were Hokage candidates and Guy was not. Hirudora was necessary for Guy's defeat of Kisame, and we know that Kisame is below Pain and Jiraiya. The conclusion that you come to in the video of "Even Hirudora probably can't beat Pain." is 100% correct. Small edit here: I wanted to add on that when Guy shows up to fight Kisame and Itachi in Part 1, Itachi says bluntly "Do not underestimate him." and we know from some later Part 2 info that Itachi has seen Guy use up to five gates and was awestruck. Figured Guy could use a little bit of respect after I put him down a bit. Sage Naruto vs Itachi: This is the match up I was most excited for and I was hoping it made up the bulk of the video and I think this is the most fair match even if I lean towards Naruto. Sage Naruto gets unrivaled levels of downplay in general. The discussion on this fell short for me. Precog doesn't get mentioned at all. Sharingan reading movement would not work on Frog Kata, which one shot Pain bodies. Naruto knows not to get hit by Tsukuyomi at this point, so it doesn't matter if it's GG if it hits. Sage Naruto throws hands with Third Raikage and wins. During Edo Itachi's encounter with KCM Naruto during the War Arc, panel by panel, Naruto blocks and dodges every single attack from Itachi and does not attempt a single attack on Itachi because he is just trying to talk to him. KCM Naruto is clearly above Itachi in raw stats at that point, even if Itachi has him dwarfed in IQ. Sage Naruto is on the same level as KCM Naruto for a multitude of reasons. I feel like this match up honestly deserves its own video after thinking on it more. Hebi Sasuke vs Pain: Pretty cut and dry, Sasuke has no chance. Direct comparison in that Deidara would fight against Itachi but not Pain, and Sasuke barely scraped the win against Deidara despite the excellent match up. Kakashi vs Itachi: This one is eating at me a bit. My gut says Kakashi gets destroyed, but Kakashi managed a few tricks against Pain, Headhunter also hits from underneath, and Kamui landing is GG. Pain is a much harder match, so I think Kakashi might be able to take this one a few times. I would need to think on it and parse more. Just a note: Kakashi and Itachi have a great deal of narrative comparisons regarding prodigiousness. Kakashi was inventing a jutsu at the age of ten, and Itachi wasn't doing that. Kakashi states several times that Itachi will become a better ninja than him during his depression. It's reasonable to conclude that Kakashi might have innate talent superior to Itachi even if I don't necessarily subscribe to that. The only return we get on Kakashi's thoughts towards Itachi is that Kakashi would willingly fight him, but we saw how that played out multiple times. Orochimaru vs Pain: We saw this one. It didn't go well for Orochimaru. Orochimaru lost to Itachi, tried again, then made a life long plan to defeat him. Orochimaru lost to Pain and said "Yeah nevermind." I'm not sure if Konan's statement on the other Akatsuki members being insignificant applies to Orochimaru because it's unclear if he was there when she said it, but it establishes the ladder pretty clearly because Orochimaru compares rather unfavorably to Akatsuki members that were there. Six Tails Naruto vs Itachi: I would need to reread or rewatch the Six Tails Naruto stuff for this. Six Tails Naruto was destroying the landscape by existing and Pain had to sit up in his chair to take him him on. I'm not sure if Six Tails Naruto can punch through Susanoo, but that just places the time crunch on Itachi to defeat Naruto before Susanoo kills him. I doubt Six Tails Naruto has the awareness to avoid Tsukuyomi that regular Naruto would. We saw Sasuke's genjutsu, even if very briefly, put down cloaked Killer Bee so it doesn't seem like a stretch to say Itachi's could work on Six Tails Naruto. I'm wondering on if Six Tails Naruto would just shrug it off though considering there isn't really much mental there to break in the first place. My gut says Six Tails, but there might be a case for Tsukuyomi GG here. Sage Kabuto vs Red Hair Nagato: White Extreme Attack is not genjutsu, this part of the video is incorrect. It is ninjutsu and senjutsu. White Extreme Attack literally cripples you with physical sound waves by rattling the bones in your body. The reason it didn't work on Itachi is because he was an infinitely regenerating zombie that can not be defeated by physical attacks. Nagato might be able to absorb White Extreme Attack, but it's so fast that I legitimately don't know if it Nagato can react to it and know to seal it at all if Sasuke and Itachi couldn't even react to it. The genjutsu utilized by Kabuto is Tayuya's Phantom Sound Chains, which is the sound based genjutsu that comes from her Demonic Flute. Phantom Sound Chains isn't on the level of Frog Song, but it's probably enough to lock up Nagato if he gets caught by it. Sage Kabuto is just different and I don't think many characters can actually beat him in that cave, but Nagato might be one of them. If you're going to be generous and say that this Nagato is Edo Nagato, or just say that White Extreme Attack doesn't instantly win the fight because Nagato absorbs it or has durability to tank it, then I think Nagato destroying the cave is a win con for him or even soul rip to ignore Kabuto's durability. Kabuto having perfect intel is a problem, but I don't think it matters if the cave gets destroyed. Kabuto doesn't have the level of attack to put down multiple summons without Muki Tensei. This is the other fair match, but it comes down more to circumstance. As usual, another day of TG putting out the best video topics in the scene and giving some good insights and taking some nuanced views on things. Still waiting on that dedicated Sasuke video!

[@ohmygod-thts_odog3973]

Stopped reading when Yu said itachi ran from jryia .

[@Blubackbub]

Itachi losing to Jiraya is a hot take. Jiraya>Oroo>>>>>>>Itachi. Blind dead Itachi no diffs top form Oro. This is some grade A copium lol

[@koreyclark5677]

Bro your way downplaying itachi… Hanzo vs Itachi - itachi absolutely stomped a much stronger orochimaru with a base sharingan itachi is capable of beating all 3 sannin (he is literally able to 1 shot any of them) and is faster than fucking EMS sasuke & kcm naruto as a edo tensei which nerfed all his physical stats, bro is straight blitzing Hanzo who is weaker than fucking mifune 🤦🏻 Jiraiya vs itachi - bro first off Itachi was lying when he said he would lose to jiraiya, later feats absolutely body jiraiya Itachi is faster, more haxed, genjutsu stomps jiraiya etc… Jiraiya is literally not winning this 😅 Itachi was more impressive than kcm naruto Itachi fights kcm naruto and blocks everything naruto throws at him as well as dodges bee at the same time, he also out reacted both naruto & bee who got blitzed by nagato which Itachi also blitzed so Itachi on panel blitzed a guy that blitzed kcm naruto & killer bee at the same time… afterwards Itachi goes onto outperforming EMS sasuke to the point that sasuke looked absolutely useless… the same sasuke that’s equal to tobirama and KCM 2 naruto this is just to show how badly your downplaying 🤦🏻

[@dualblades7742]

After I watch TG's videos, I always scroll looking for your comment. The section you wrote about Guy is really good. Same with the Sage Naruto part. The corner cutting you take with Hanzo and Sasuke seems lazy and I usually don't like scaling in the form of "this person beats this person so this person beats this person", so I'm glad you provided the extra context for the Hanzo part at least.

[@hobbyhorse5848]

Hiruzen was not a field fighter during the time the Sannin were fighting, there is nothing in the entire manga to suggest that. At all. And while ABC scaling isn’t perfect, somebody that was being rivaled by Chiyo is not touching someone who surpassed Tobirama in raw talent (prime Hiruzen). All we really have on Hanzo is that he beat up 3 much weaker Sannin (Jiraiya directly confirms he’s gotten stronger even in base due to the effects of Sage training have on the body) while he had an environmental advantage (The flashback has him standing in a lake). Itachi has the sharingan and has already easily dealt with someone that employs poisons, so the poison cloud is not taking him off guard. Ocular genjutsu is an extremely exotic power to the point that said Chiyo who fought Hanzo many times stated herself that she would rather run away from the sharingan if the fight was one on one.

[@mattnamikaze7887]

You mentioned in the Nagato vs Kabuto fight that Nagato would have intel on sage mode users. It made me think what would happen if Nagato or Pain actually beat Naruto. How would the war arc play out? That might be a good topic for another video. Hope you’re having a great New year. 🎉

[@ThunderGodTG]

Thank you! You too!

[@dualblades7742]

Awesome video. These are my favorite kinds of videos from you. I can forgive the inaccuracies and circle talk because I didn't even realize this video is an hour long, it flew by. I'm going to check out the Virhtue video about Itachi vs Pain now.

[@Virhtue]

That’s awesome, Glad you enjoyed it!

[@CeeRax]

The only thing I had an issue with was when you got to the Naruto vs Pain scenario. Because if these battles are swappe, Ma and Pa would have intel on on Itachi’s genjutsu and would just let Naruto know to not look him in the eye. And you state “in character” when Naruto isn’t exactly a dunce. He has been on the receiving end of genjutsus before. He has seen what Itachi did to Sasuke so I’m pretty sure he will know not to look him in the eye. Imo Sage Naruto vs Itachi will be an extremely close fight. Naruto can simply close his eyes and just sense Itachi which would probably bypass itachi’s clones… snd you have to remember Naruto flung that rasen shuriken from a quite a distance so the closer he is the harder it is for Itachi to avoid it. One hit from this will kill Itachi and I probably think one or two punches from a sage mode amped Naruto will kill him too. I dont see Itachi withstanding punches from someone flinging a giant rhino that prob weight a shit load of TONS all the way up into the air. Amateurasu is probably not a good idea since pushing Naruto to that near death state might end up triggering Kurama to play a role into this. And I do not see Itachi surviving an onslaught with a 6 tailed version kyubi cloak that pain had to deal with. (Or was it 4 I cant remember) and Itachi doesn’t have no chibaku tensei to help him. You also claim the Yadamir “rips apart”… May I ask how? It’s a shield with no offensive capabilities so what exactly is Itachi going to do with his slow clunky susano. Bonk Naruto on the head with the shield? The totska blade on the other hand IS offensive but again you dont know how fast itachi can swing it so its not true to thing he’s gonna ever going to land that thing on a sage mode Naruto. Even if he’s going up against a beserk kyubi cloak Naruto it then doesn’t actually matter because kyubi cloaked Naruto that fought pain is blitzing itachi. There is no one on this planet that can sit here and tell me itachi is fast as this thing. Absolutely no.. no chance… and just remember pain did NOT win against thing thing. He was completely defensive and was forced to use chibaku tensei. He could not handle the onslaught that was dished out and that chibaku tensei just made it worse… I dont think Itachi can sit inside his susano for long periods of time. And im pretty sure that Yadamir isn’t omi directional so if he’s taking back shots then i really dont know. Susano wont be a 100% total win for Itachi and if that thing Naruto just outlast him he loses. Susano is said to take a shit ton of chakra to manifest AND maintain so good luck trying to outlast Naruto’s chakra reserve.

[@nbogavac]

Literally the most spot on comment on this whole post! No way can Itachi sustain first Sage Mode Naruto and then (if it even comes to that) the 6-Tails Cloak Naruto… It’s not a ‘diss’ to Itachi, but that fight is above his (and most of other ninja) tier

[@theflamingeagle572]

​@@nbogavac Your comment is so illogical it's easy to debunk. Itachi one shot Orochimaru, Itachi boxed with KCM 1 Naruto, Itachi one shot Kakashi, Itachi beat Snake Sage Kabuto. Itachi is one tapping Sage mode Naruto that couldn't defeat a weakened Pain even with a lot of help. Itachi is also packing up the 6 tails Naruto form, Itachi has better speed, better haxs, bigger arsenal of jutsus, smarter and more crafty, not nearly as exhausted as Pain was. Itachi shoots the amaterasu at 6 tails Naruto then instantly puts him under Tsukuyomi or if that doesn't work instantly gets rid of him with the blade of sealing. Naruto isn't touching Itachi in his Susanoo anyways, the yata mirror prevents that.

[@justinmathis8078]

@@theflamingeagle572 the anime makes it look like six tails Naruto and pain were moving at much higher speeds than when kcm Naruto and itachi exchanged blows even though the implication is that kcm is faster. We know that kurama’s chakra negates Amaterasu. I agree with Naruto not having great ways around the susanno/ yata. I don’t like that the yata mirror doesn’t have any real feats but that’s a different conversation entirely. And he only “one shots” oro because of genjutsu which Naruto isn’t immune to. In fact you could argue he’s quite susceptible to it as he doesn’t know how to deal with the tsukuyomi until kcm or at least that was the first time he ran into itachi while having that knowledge.

[@theflamingeagle572]

@@justinmathis8078 They obviously slow it down, if they kept speeding it up relative to how fast they are actually moving then you won't see anything.

[@justinmathis8078]

@@theflamingeagle572 yeah I can see that but at the same time just go back and see both scenes and how they make pains legs look while he’s running away from and towards six tales Naruto. Compare that to what looks like a casual clash of fists between kcm Naruto and itachi. While what you said makes sense I think it makes just as much sense that even if kcm Naruto capable of moving faster than he did in six tails state, doesn’t mean he was moving faster than that in the exchange with itachi based on how the anime makes it look anyways. Because we know the anime has its way of implying high speed in a fight.

[@DarthMagog]

I do wonder how Pain/Nagato would have sorted out Itachi if he was the one who broke out of Edo Tensei. Pretty sure the human path can seal Itachi, assuming all-mighty pull can pull Itachi out of a Susano'o. Would love to hear TG's opinion.

[@mdot9835]

Brilliant analogy

[@aliveghost368]

It's universal pull btw (bansho tennin).

[@kaigelling7157]

Pretty sure sussanoo can move

[@DarthMagog]

@@kaigelling7157 fun fact - Itachi's Susano'o is the only one without legs. So his doesn't move by itself.

[@giannixx]

​@@DarthMagog But we don't know if Bansho Ten'in could pull Itachi out of his Susano'o or if it would move along with him. Even if he was pulled out, there's things he can do, like send an explosive clone ahead or just reactivate the Susano'o, even if just an arm to attack Tendou. Kakashi doesn't have a Susano'o and he survived the jutsu. Plus, I bet Tendou can't use both Bansho Ten'in and Shinra Tensei at the same time.

[@jayash2957]

If the pain gets stronger when they are closer to nagato wouldn’t that mean jiraiya faught a full power version since nagato would be in that village at the time and not somewhere on the outskirts of it hiding in a tree?

[@nagatouzumaki4628]

Yeah but pain was holding back

[@VelvetAura]

Yes but Pain had to hold back as he didn't want to reveal all his abilities or damage the rain village too much

[@imshkth]

Pain held back because of his attachment to Jiraiya, the location of the fight (his village), his secret and the fact that he underestimated Jiraiya (because he felt above him power scaling wise)

[@ThunderGodTG]

I actually hear this argument a lot and while I could see a case we don’t even know where in the rain village pain is so to just say he’s be a tier greater if any at all is always weird to me. Like the most it would impact is the speed at which Nagato can send chakra to the paths as there’d be a shorter distance as opposed to a stat buff.

[@VelvetAura]

@@ThunderGodTG Yeah I'm not sure how much of a tier increase it would be exactly, but I do think it's interesting to consider Nagato had to move fairly close to the leaf village in order to conduct his attack so I can't imagine it would be too far away

[@KeizerSosebee]

Wait I just realized, if orochimaru won against itachi and stole his body he would immediately regret it as he would be blind coughing up blood and constantly run out of stamina even when fighting fodder

[@aliveghost368]

Orochi had hashi cells, so maybe it wouldn't be that bad.

[@KeizerSosebee]

@@aliveghost368 did orochimaru have hashirama cells before his white zetsu body? I thought he only gave them to danzo, Shin,Yamato and the 59 dead fetus’ in his lab

[@didack1419]

​@KeizerSosebee I wonder that too, but why wouldn't he?, given that he has successfully implanted Hashirama's cells to Danzou, and Danzou knows that they make him stronger.

[@KeizerSosebee]

@@didack1419 you gotta be compatible with them. There is a chance he wasn’t, kinda like he wasn’t compatible with Snake sage mode

[@didack1419]

@@KeizerSosebee Orochimaru was the true underdog all along I think it was only the body that he was using at that moment that was incompatible with sage mode.

[@Sweetdude64]

6:00 Ain't no way bro's argument is "he's wet" when it's raining 💀

[@ThunderGodTG]

LMAO THAT's ALSO TRUE BUT STILL

[@Shrimp_Leg]

I feel if sage Naruto was put under tsukuyomi, Kurama would just take over and stomp Itachi.

[@___________0Z0X]

Honestly, a very real possibility.

[@AidenB1010]

"and stomp itachi" you thini itachi couldnt handle half of the 9 tails?

[@romusa10]

​@@AidenB1010 ya nah,taka sasuke who beat sick itachi, with suigetsu jugo and karin barely "survived" 8 tails, bro got reversed jumped by killer bee and sasuke was considerably stronger than he fought itachi

[@carlotage23]

​@@romusa10 1. That sasuke's victory was allowed by Itachi. 2. As soon as Sasuke learned Amaterasu, he one shot Bee, which Itachi already has

[@romusa10]

@@carlotage23 - allowed or not, itachi still gave his full arsenal, he went full force so orochimaru could spawn and get rid of him. - That Sasuke's victory was also allowed by bee, remember how effective amaterasu againts naruto? After took a hit once and used the tentacle sub like he did againts sasuke, bee would use chakra cloack to protect himself and brush it aside like it's nothing. Remember, despite his attitude his battle IQ is quite high.

[@supremelore_1533]

For the Itachi vs 6tails Naruto fight: Itachi was shown to be weaker in raw stats vs that Hebi sasuke, he was on his deathbed. He only survived cause of hacks and the moment he pulled his last bit of power, susanoo, he dies. Pain is an Uzumaki and this had a lot of longevity. Shinra tensei not working didn't deter pain....... but the moment amaterasu doesn't work wither by dodging or raw chakra wind lol, Itachi is done! 6 tails naruto may not destroy his susano but Itachi can't last at THAT LEVEL of conflict for more than a minute when he's THAT sick.

[@Virhtue]

W Vid, Congrats on 20k, appreciate you having me on here, had a great time!🎉

[@___________0Z0X]

YO! Just discovered your videos, they’re great!!

[@Virhtue]

@@___________0Z0X thank you!

[@hogokare1172]

One thing I sort of disagree with is your statements of Itachi's stamina based off of his fight with Sasuke. I'm not saying Itachi has no stamina but rather you might be over estimating it. My reasoning is that the Itachi who preformed those feats was fighting with the intent to die and was likely heavily amped from from his resolve. But despite that he still has way more stamina than what most people claim and it's hard to tell how much those things actually affected him.

[@ThunderGodTG]

Think about it like this he literally out stamina’d Hebi Sasuke who’s stamina reserves are monsterous and can hold back on other akatsuki members. Assume tho that in each scenario Itachi can just push himself to that point

[@hogokare1172]

@@ThunderGodTG I can't deny he's obviously capable of it but rather that he would do it in almost any other situation. Sort like how a mother could lift a car to save their child but in any other situation she wouldn't or couldn't. That being said it's absurdly difficult to tell how much a difference it would make and even more so I don't think this would have made Itachi lose a battle you said he'd probably win in the video. It's more of a passing thought that I put out to see other's opinions

[@QGUU]

⁠@@ThunderGodTGnot to be contestant but what makes Hebi sasukes stamina monstrous w/o curse mark ?

[@kodoqbesar4301]

I have a question. How strong would Ishidate from Naruto movie 3 be if he was in the main story? In the movie, he's comparable to base Kakashi and can turn anything he touches into stone. He can also control stone and levitate with stones. But he got overwhelmed when Naruto's multi shadow clone jutsu literally trampled him and knocked him out. So i will say that he's weaker than sick Kimimaro, and IMO is a solid Jonin level because he keep up with Kakashi. What do you guys think?

[@ExoticZah]

They should do more movie fight scaling on the channel. Along with filler characters. That would be interesting.

[@golum247]

In Naruto vs Itachi comparison, it's not just toads and Naruto Itachi would have to fight, but also the rest of the village as well. Against all those odds Itachi loses. Pain fought the village and Naruto, not just Naruto.

[@ThunderGodTG]

So we didn’t keep that just cause obviously Itachi can’t fight the village himself so we micro’d it down.

[@golum247]

@@ThunderGodTG If you put him up against Naruto fresh in that fight he obviously wins, however the whole point of video is switching Pains and Itachi's position. So in order to retain some narrative balance you have to pretend he defeated village but make him fatigued and have a component of his kit exhausted. Also keep in mind Hinata would also jump in fight just at some point in fight narratively speaking that is what happens. Now the key deciding factor is what is decided as the exhausted part of his kit that he can't use. It would either have to be Amaterasu or Susaano since those are his only methods of dealing most damage to village. Then you can setup a narrative balance not just put him fresh and ready to go, since pain wasn't fresh and ready to go when Naruto arrived.

[@akasakasad6271]

tbh i’ve never thought itachi loses to any forms of jiraya lol

[@hmmmmmm6901]

He Low diffs every jiraiya, he’s a completely different caliber of shinobi to all the saanin he could 3v1 low diff honestly

[@NonbinaryKeigan]

Jiriaya stans cling to one pre retcon statement from itachi saying he and Kisame wouldn’t beat Jiriaya even with reinforcements. Which was just an excuse to get Kisame to leave. But then we see that with reinforcements Jiriaya dies to 3 paths of pain lol. All of which are weaker individually and likely collectively than Itachi or Kisame. They’re so funny

[@LoligeAktion]

@@hmmmmmm6901he would low diff them all 1vs1 for sure but 3vs1 is a different story

[@CharcharoExplorer]

Cant Naruto fight Itachi with his eyes closed? Sage Mode doesnt need his eyes open to fight here? I do believe he still loses but it would be more interesting like that.

[@ThunderGodTG]

He can to a degree but, he ain't gonna be running around eyes closed fighting someone of Pain's Caliber tbh and even then Itachi could potentially genjutsu the Sage Toads or the Big 3 Toads to fight for him as well, so it's legit just which target he wants

[@austinwinston1231]

Can you give a reason why he can't fight with someone on pain's calibre eyes closed? Kabuto did it against EMS Sasuke and Itachi the whole fight + we know that Naruto in sage mode can sense the whole 4th shinobi war from turtle island a country away (which he obviously can't see) so this should be no issue at all. ​@@ThunderGodTG

[@mystictomato9466]

@@austinwinston1231I mean. Imagine if he fought Pain with his eyes closed? We would have probably gotten wrecked much faster than he did in actuality. It would be similar with Itachi. A physically nerfed Itachi easily swapped hands with a much stronger version of Naruto with just his base sharingan.

[@diamantemrobinson]

​@@austinwinston1231he used snake senses more than sage mode for that

[@megamegaO]

He didn't close his eyes though. He used snake lids to nullify the genjutsu. He could still see them​@@austinwinston1231

[@jason15212]

I don’t know if you can really take anything from that Kakashi vs Itachi clone thing tbh. I think based off of how Itachi treats Kakashi in part 1 by automatically going to his most powerful technique always came off like he was trying to avoid a drawn out fight between the 2 of them. That point is further driven home once we realize why Itachi was really there. It wasn’t about naruto it was about making sure Sasuke was ok getting in and out the village without causing too much drama or blowing his cover. So he had to rid of Kakashi while making it look like he intended to kill him but without actually fighting him.

[@caffeinatedlizard3593]

Exactly itachi knows his best bet against kakashi is to use one of his top 3 techniques, these itachi fans acts as if base itachi stomps kakashi. Clearly they are itachi fan boys based in this video

[@SSGCountShredder]

One thing i like as an itachi fan. Before the versus battle starts we know itachi wins. We just like hearing how bad

[@ThunderGodTG]

bro spitting we always up

[@legomybacon8834]

People forget that sage mode Naruto is a tier above Jiraiya's sage mode. The one Path of Pain was clobbering Jiraiya while Naruto one shotted the same Path with a single punch. This was the Path that was going after Tsunade and Naruto stepped in and took out.

[@hmmmmmm6901]

Itachi mops the floor with sage mode jiraiya what are we talking about?

[@ThunderGodTG]

Spit king

[@hmmmmmm6901]

@@ThunderGodTGyo videos are so good keep cooking

[@ThunderGodTG]

Appreciate that king ✊🏻

[@DandDgamer]

I will say if you're going to try Star Rail do it off this video, Dr. Ratio is awesome lorewise and Ruan Mei is broken and super fun. Her banner is not going much longer but you could probably guarantee her if you speedrun because of the large number of new player pulls. The game is genuinely fun but game responsibly if you know you have trouble with gambling/gacha elements

[@ThunderGodTG]

LET THEM KNOW HIT MOBILE GAME OF THE SEASON

[@DaNovabih]

People tend to take Kisame’s uncertainty and Itachi’s statement about the possible results too literal.

[@ThunderGodTG]

Louder for the people in the back

[@trevordavidjones]

When he cut to Advance Wars on that GBA during the ad 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@NonbinaryKeigan]

They each demolish each others fights up until the last where they lose each others respective battles lol. Itachi doesn’t have the stamina or destructive power to obliterate all of Konoha in basically one attack, though he could beat Sage Naruto rather easily imo. Pain and Sasuke get beat by Kabuto very badly. Not only can they not undo Edo Tensei without Izanami. But sound genjustu inside the cave is a one shot, Nagato can’t break Sasuke out and Sasuke likely can’t break Nagato out because Rinnegan users are immune to ocular justu.

[@DarkWorldxo]

W I Agree with every single matchup

[@Thiccboigohan]

I love how folks flip flop on the sannin when its convenient

[@ThunderGodTG]

Peep every vid I did I stay 100 on where the Sannin are Itachi & Pain are just them

[@kaigelling7157]

Somebody tag nick hes gonna die hearing good things about itachi

[@ThunderGodTG]

Who tf is nick?

[@kodoqbesar4301]

Its literally 11:20 PM in my place so I'll watch this in the morning. But heres my takes - Itachi vs Hanzo: Itachi low diffs. I think its stated somehwere that Hanzo had gone a lot weaker when he was killed because he lost his conviction or something - Pain vs Kakashi, Asuma, Kurenai, Guy: Unless Guy pulls out the 8th gate, they're going on a trip straight to the Pure Land - Pain vs Sasuke (P1): 💀 - Pain vs Naruto, Sakura, Kakashi, and Chiyo: Even if Chiyo was in her prime (who's relative to prime Hanzo), Pain should still win in a stomp or at worst for them, low diff - Itachi vs Jiraiya: if the fight took place in the same scenario in the Rain Village, i can see Jiraiya putting up a fight. But IMO Itachi still wins probably medium to high difficulty. If he gets into the Frog Song its game over because we know from the Kabuto fight that MS and EMS cannot nullify audio genjutsu - Pain vs Sasuke (Orochimaru absorbed: 💀 - Itachi vs the entire Leaf Village: Itachi medium difficulty. His biggest drawback is his stamina and he cant use MS for too long. But he's way more powerful than anyone in the village (Guy was on a mission) - Itachi (fatigued) vs sage Naruto: Probably sage Naruto high difficulty. If Itachi wasn't fatigued, I'll say that Itachi wins medium difficulty. The frog summons are non factor because of Amaterasu. And if we assume that Itachi beat Jiraiya, he's not getting caught in the Frog Song. But this Itachi is fatigued, so i think Naruto wins - Pain and Nagato vs Naruto and Bee (weird, i know): Pain and Nagato stomps. Nagato was about to low diffs both Naruto and Bee if it wasnt for Itachi. But he's not here - Pain and Sasuke vs sage Kabuto: Since their objective is to stop Edo Tensei, i think Kabuto wins medium to high difficulty. Keep in mind that Itachi carried that fight and was protecting Sasuke a couple of times. If Pain uses Chaotic Shinra Tensei to destroy the cave, it might work, but Sasuke will get caught in it unless he activates his Susanoo. But i think Kabuto still wins because neither Pain or Sasuke have any answer to stop Edo Tensei because Kabuto is immune to visual genjutsu Anyway its a long comment, I'm sleepy, and im going to watch the video in the morning. Feel free to leave thoughts on this comment

[@hmmmmmm6901]

You Him all W takes dr

[@patty1c390]

they both win pretty handedly, only thing that stopped pain from killing naruto was because he needed the 9 tails, and itachi didn’t try against sauske

[@jassyokayy]

fun video yalls energies merge well with each other, hope yall got more stuff planned

[@Virhtue]

Love you hear that, we will have much more in the future!❤

[@jassyokayy]

@@Virhtue good news :D

[@takatotakasui8307]

Great upload as usual TG, don't mind me coming in with my usual nitpick. If you give me a chance to stand up for Kakashi, I'm gonna stand up for Kakashi 35:12 In Part one, Kakashi said he can only do 3 Raikiris in one day. Then in Shippuden he could only use Kamui twice a day. Kakashi does both of these things in the Pain Arc, and also does a lightning style clone. I don't think Kakashi's reserves are as light as you suggest tbh, it seems more like he's spamming jutsu with high chakra costs. You're comparing Itachi's stamina reserves to Kakashi, when Itachi was trying to kill himself from exhaustion. I'd be more impressed with Itachi's stamina in the Sasuke fight if he didn't die from doing all that. But Itachi used fewer ninjutsu than Kakashi did. Also he only used MS 3 times, once more than Kakashi when he died. You also have to consider that Sharingan techniques are vastly more draining for non-Uchiha

[@takatotakasui8307]

I'm only thinking about the anime versions of the fights, so that could be a discrepancy It's not like this changes the outcome, Kakashi still loses to Itachi sadly

[@dekaiaverett3265]

You should do how Each of the Five Kage does in Hiruzen’s position against Orochimaru and how the respective villages would fare against the combined Sound/Sand forces.

[@gotzmoneywayne8216]

Every kage loses. Horuzen was already the strongest of the 5, and he lost

[@dekaiaverett3265]

@@gotzmoneywayne8216 Matchups matter, I honestly think Ohnoki with particle style has a legit chance of taking a win, especially if you consider Orochimaru and the Sasuke during the Five Kage Summit to be relative.

[@Mimi-vv9gz]

So nice having lunch + opening one of TG's video :))

[@InsaneAnimal48]

During the second/third shinobi world war Hanzo basically held back all other nations by himself. If we say that the Minato One Shot is canon then it was also confirmed he was fighting back Jinchuriki.

[@SonofYukari]

Good vid bro. I'm glad to see your channel growing, too. Happy new years and keep it up🔥

[@ListsofLegends]

You deserve so much more subs man the work you put into your videos are seriously next level! Keep up the great work!

[@ThunderGodTG]

Thank you so much!

[@jonnydavis6435]

Starting the New Year off with a banger Naruto vid 🎉

[@cosmicballer2850]

i would’ve liked to see what would have happened if the akatsuki just invaded the leaf when they had all there members

[@ShadowProject01]

Keep in mind during the Hanzo fight we should assume the Sannin (for which he named) were most likely not in their prime. And they were hunched over and panting while Hanzo didn’t even appear out of breath in the slightest. When Pain/Nagato killed Hanzo he was in a much weaker state. Also on Genjutsu: perfect Jins are pretty much immune to most jutsu or rather their bijuu will break them out barring Tsukuyomi. And for me on Itachi VS Jiraiya; it depends. If Jiraiya is in Sage Mode at the start f the fight o give it to him very high diff. However if not, Itachi is going to low diff him. Itachi VS Sage Mode Naruto; don’t forget during the Pain fight Naruto had clones on wait gathering nature chakra. Depending on when and if Itachi knows about those clones, I get the feeling dispelling one of those clones for a surge of Nature Chakra would most likely break. Ari to out of genjutsu. Then he would have to deal with a raging Kurama. Fortunately for Itachi, he is born to deal with Kurama more so than Pain. Still think Itachi takes this one but it won’t be as one sided as ppl think.

[@isaacvale918]

In the anime Kakashi *did* die 😅 he saw his dad waiting on him😂

[@Arcadia_warlic]

Itachi was able to paralyze the majority of Sugaru's insects before he killed him with Amaterasu so he might actually be able to multi-target the AnBu. Against Kakashi and Chōza Itachi would also have to face the entire rest of the village. Version 2 can freely split/morph its chakra, even forming an almost second Naruto when Orochimaru punched it, so it might just glob off any Amaterasu that gets to it continuously, and it has more chakra to shed than Itachi has Amaterasu to cast. Nagato can read the build-up of chakra before a jutsu is used (he was able to tell Itachi was able to cast Amaterasu) so he might elect to absorb the White Rage Attack before it "explodes".

[@ThunderGodTG]

I would argue with Version 2 it’s not a 1:1 cause Naruto had perfect manipulation of the Kyuubi chakra vs the tailed beast just taking over. As far as Nagato sensing I agree but that doesn’t mean he has the physical ability to react like when he just gets tagged with Amaterasu despite seeing the builsup

[@Arcadia_warlic]

Even the mindless Jūbi could detach parts of its flesh to save itself from Amaterasu and Version 2 does have the ability to almost split itself. Seems reasonable enough. If he can react to it he can pull/push the path out of the way or absorb it, as jutsu typically are just as fast as their reaction ability instead of physical ability (see Danzō's Wood Release).

[@ThunderGodTG]

Yeah the Juubi is just its own entity with its own properties, even a perfect Jinchuriki like bee couldn’t pull this maneuver off, 1-9 are much closer in what we can assert than the ten tails which is just different. For Nagato it’s more so determined on where you have him but that’s up to your opinion on the stat difference.

[@Arcadia_warlic]

B never really tried.He had to make it look convincing to "escape" from Kumo.

[@ThunderGodTG]

The 8 Tails does concede that the plan was last second and that all his tails did get burned. If you actually look at the panel Bee blocks the Amaterasu but it burns him nonetheless.

[@Slyrock-1000]

Just a reminder Sage Mode Jiraiya and Sage Mode Naruto can both fight without their sight meaning that would neg Itachi Tsukiyomi im shocked you guys didnt take that into consideration. Sick Itachi vs Sage Mode Jiraiya and Sage Naruto is extremely close

[@ajayimoses2495]

Nah jiraiya can’t do that… only naruto can even attempt that.. He’s an imperfect sage and couldn’t even sense the ashura path right behind him 😂

[@justusonuoha8224]

Sage Jiraiya stomps Itachi any day any time

[@ajayimoses2495]

@@justusonuoha8224 Which one? 😂 The same one that got snuck by the ashura path and got beaten in h2h by one path of pain? Yeah try again

[@___________0Z0X]

Kurine genjutsu’s the path that does interrogations, and then Asuma goes in for the kill. GIVE ME THAT $48!

[@sageofthickcalves]

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[@Virhtue]

Spit bro❤

[@DrNasrooo]

Young Nagato vs the Uchiha clan would've been interesting

[@___________0Z0X]

Bruh, that’s just another massacre

[@DrNasrooo]

@@___________0Z0X Still more balanced than Pain vs Asuma and Kurenai

[@KillZoneInc]

“Alright guys stand down” lol

[@ThunderGodTG]

😂😂

[@KillZoneInc]

@@ThunderGodTG I love your videos man they are always top tier ❤️

[@ThunderGodTG]

Appreciate that a lot brother, you've been with me for over a year won't let you down

[@jason15212]

One thing I wish we could get is to actually see some of these fights that would help us scale certain characters like Hanzo, Tobirama, Some of Minato war feats, Etc…

[@Gdrez]

Honestly could watch naruto swap fights all day

[@kkgadsonii6637]

I got you fam. Kurenai looks over at Asuma and tells him that she is sorry. She then begins to strip. Pain in cannon has yet to deal with a certified baddy . She struts over and ask to join the akatsuki. She then proves her loyalty by killing asuma. Thats when the long game begins. She slowly gets closer to him and because Konan is a prude and never puts out, Kurenai throws it back. Pain flabbergasted by the bomb pun pun drops konan and now kurenai is his right hand. At some point, during one of this snookie sessions, right before dude is about to bust she genjutsus him cause pain aint putting down pipe like that. Fully off guard he believes what he sees which is a future where kurenai has his child. Pain elated by this vision attempts to reach out when bam kunai in the ear . she has to repeat this exact process for every path lmao.

[@___________0Z0X]

100% correct, except she only has to do this once with Nagito.

[@kkgadsonii6637]

true but she aint geting to nagito without konan being out the way first and she aint getting konan out the way til she throw ass. @@___________0Z0X

[@HC-gm4fo]

I will continue to use that statement. Internal showed what was on his mind after that event Jiraiya and Orochimaru don’t fight the same. Jiraiya spams large aoe attack most with no hand signs. Ms overuse will cause Itachi to go blind or accelerate his sickness

[@CaptainHavoc]

Peak video with my 2 favorite naruto creators 🔥

[@Virhtue]

Wwwwwwww

[@user-kx4cm8sv6w]

There's room for discussion with hebi sasuke scenario due to kirin and orochimaru as eight branches. So its more of a gauntlet and orochimaru is hard to actually kill. Its also possible orochimaru would completely takeover sasuke's body and heal it, giving him a huge buff.

[@___________0Z0X]

Pain no diffs.

[@brandonfoster1052]

Sage mode doesn’t need to see to fight so I don’t think they need to worry about ocular jutsu too much

[@zakidewan9906]

BANANA

[@jason15212]

Hebi Sasuke is a bit misunderstood when it comes to how much his power increases from beginning of shippuden

[@yamamotogotbodied1606]

I’m liking in advance because ThunderGod don’t miss!!🔥

[@tudeslildude]

Omg a youtuber who doesn't think Jiraya beats Itachi? Thank you for actually reading the manga ^.^;

[@Virhtue]

Always

[@vinnilittle2002]

Itachi doesn’t have the stamina to last pass 2 fights. Nagato can control bodies if yu get to close. Kabuto don’t stand a chance

[@MasqueradeNX]

Could you do a Hanzo themed video? I feel he is so underrated

[@devinwalton408]

In this scenario, both our MC’s get wrecked. It is heavily implied that Itachi planned to lose, and Naruto did lose before Kurama goes nutty. Pain rofl stomps Sasuke. Itachi tsukiyomi’s Naruto 1 and done

[@samuelyang7845]

What if Itachi and Kisame swapped fights.

[@___________0Z0X]

Easy for Itachi, more interesting forKisame.

[@radomus8696]

ohhh! a nice and long video!! thanks for making my day :D

[@WaBBigvai]

Nice video! I'm new so I don't know if you've done this video but how about Pain vs Nagato lol

[@ThunderGodTG]

Thank you! Glad you enjoy!

[@DS123-gb8tf]

That’s pointless…nagato has all of 6 paths of pain’s abilities but stronger coming from the original body without having to share his chakra , plus nagato can use more jutsu’s and rennigan abilities those 6 corpses can’t use

[@ShadowiICBR]

You guys just unlocked a memory with the music from dbt2

[@bigcarnotaurus8857]

13:25 kurenai puts the human path in a genjutsu and asume uses burning ash on it 🔥 🖊️

[@ThunderGodTG]

What's the venmo cuz

[@bigcarnotaurus8857]

@@ThunderGodTGdouble it and give it to the next person

[@craigford33]

Well this is a what if ima watch. Let’s strap in

[@qtindavis433]

can yall do what if madara adopted itachi

[@ThePurpleKnightmare]

I completely misunderstood the point of this video and thought it was specifically Pain vs Sasuke and Itachi vs Naruto. Which ofc none of it works because Itachi is not okay with either of those fights and would just kill Pain instead. However living each others lives essentially, Pain loses right away. Itachi beats Fugaku because he's his son. Nagato would lose to Fugaku unless it was like late Pain that fights Naruto fighting Fugaku. A lot of fights end early without much done, Itachi vs Jounin for example. Pain could do a longer drawn out 1v4, where it is questionable if he would win but he probably would. However if it's just about meeting up, throwing out a couple jutsu and then running away, Pain can absolutely do that. Simularily Itachi could drive back Hanzo if he's that willing to run away. Do I think he's outright win at an early point in his story? No, but he could post massacre, drive Hanzo away, the fight wasn't a to the death sort of fight. Itachi beats Jiraiya, despite the statement where Itachi says Jiraiya might be able to 1v2 him and Kisame. Jiraiya is the weakest of the Sannin, and Itachi crushed Orochimaru so harshly that Orochimaru quit the Akatsuki and became obsessed with making a weak ass 14 year old kid his next body because he had the Sharingan which Orochimaru believed would bring him closer to Itachi. So yea Itachi hard wins vs Jiraiya at that point. Itachi could beat Sage Mode Naruto, it's not until Naruto befriends Kurama that he becomes able to beat Itachi and even then it's close until Sage of Six Paths. Here's the thing about Pain vs Hebi Sasuke though, Sasuke has his guardian angel Itachi. There is no way that fight goes down without Itachi knowing, and yes Pain would win it normally, but Itachi wouldn''t allow that. It may sound like "Cheating" but I think Hebi Sasuke + Itachi would beat Pain. Fight would probably devolve into a 3 way battle, but ultimately Sasuke would win, because Itachi would prioritize beating Pain, and then die to Sasuke. Lastly Nagato would beat Kabuto, but the point isn't to beat Kabuto, everyone beats Kabuto. The point is to have him undo the reanimation and Idt Pain accomplishes that. Even Itachi had to use a sacrificial move to accomplish it.

[@nogamelowlife]

Jiraiya would be alive to defend the Leaf from Pain. Maybe he survives against Pain in this scenario with backup but Naruto might not have the incentive to go train with Pa.

[@Blubackbub]

Itachi still didnt "try" when he stomped out Hydra Oro. He won all his fights without ever going all out.

[@pree76]

Normal sharingan genjutsu works on summons as well giving itachi a pretty solid win against basically anyone that relies heavily on one. I see him breaking hanzo's mask and murdering him with his own salamander along with the other troops lmfao. Naruto(sage) and sannin also runs into a similar issue

[@secretlysaber5654]

Ok ok, hear me out, kurenai is said to have the best genjutsu of everyone in the hidden leaf, this includes jiraiyah's frog song, meaning she has frog song level genjutsu, asuma just needs to get railed with rods by pain for a few moments and kurenai can one shot genjutsu the paths of pain, so there you go, thats how kurenai beats pain Trust

[@marwyn8152]

Yes you can literally melt poison compounds.

[@KevinHeartUK]

Kotoamatsukami on the strongest enemy clears everything tho

[@zmartusers3396]

Itachi will probably still die against 6 tails even after Amatrasu if he doesn't activate Yata mirror on time. 6 tails will still charge at him even when covered with Amatrasu. Similar to Aa vs Sasuke.

[@ppharaoh5421]

He threw hands with kcm he can surely handle six tails

[@zmartusers3396]

@@ppharaoh5421 Yeah. As Edo, he did.

[@ppharaoh5421]

@@zmartusers3396you have a point ngl

[@jason15212]

Nobody in fiction gets more benefit of doubt than Itachi lol

[@ppharaoh5421]

Word

[@juliusnovachrono4370]

Happy New Year.

[@ThunderGodTG]

You too king!

[@redeyesdragunknight6255]

My only contention is That Genjutsu GG doesn’t work against SM Naruto is because he can keep his eyes closed and fight off of sensory

[@ThunderGodTG]

Yeah someone else commented this, he can minority evade it but then Gamabunta and the other summons along with Ma & Pa can fall under, but that’s a good point I should have included.

[@redeyesdragunknight6255]

@@ThunderGodTG That’s completely valid outside of like Maybe Ma and Pa. Only reason for saying that is Ma could sense the Village was under attack back on Mount Myoboku (Granted we don’t know if this is a Sensory feat or if a Toad was sent). But it really doesn’t matter unless people think SM Naruto’s Rasenshuriken is cracking Itachi’s Susano’o

[@DavidLucian]

In my opinion Itachi is one of the most Unique, Authentic and Influential characters from the series. The thing that people underestimate about Itachi fights/encounters, isn't just his power, (it's mainly writters or Kishimoto's fault for making Itachi seem or to look very powerful throughout the series) but how smart and intelligent he is during various situations, he never, ever underestimates his opponents because of his composure and his way of being, the level of thinking he's on honestly dwars most people in the series, with only people like Minato and Shikaku comparable with him. More precisly, Itachi isn't just any ordinary Shinobi also, he pretty much knows and he's also aware that all strong opponents have weaknesses (including himself), and he specializes in finding those "weaknesses" and exploiting them ("*Even the strongest of opponents always has a weakness*" - Uchiha Itachi) because he's that type of character who can exceed almost any expectations. Itachi is very unique and authentic, especially in the factor of facing various encounters approach, his unpredictability in his way of fighting style approach it's his key factor in all of his encounters. Being blind or nearly blind has never slowed him down (especially when he's pretty much serious, but that's the point, he has never go all out against anyone during the series.) Itachi it's that type of character who can exceed almost any expectations. (at least that's what we were shown in the anime by the creator Masashi Kishimoto). Moral of the story, never underestimate Itachi. He did more sick than most healthy ninjas do in their entire life. In my opinion No One should underestimate such an unpredictable Shinobi like Itachi, even Madara (I won't say that Itachi can beat him, but at least he will be pretty much able to put a decent fight that Madara will also be impressed in my opinion). Also how can some of you guys even consider that Totsuka Blade it's slow when no such speed feat has been shown through the Shippuden that state it that it is slow? All of you are assuming it to be slow it may not be the case... Its not that the sword is unavoidable but it clearly has a very long range and is a very long blade. If you look at the manga, Naruto, Bee and Itachi are all relatively small from Nagato's point of view, and you can see the Totsuka Blade extending all the way from Itachi, piercing through Nagato, and still managing to nearly pop out toward the reader out of the page. I would say its fast because Kabuto coudldn't even react to it, and its not like Nagato was completely immobile to the point that he couldn't sidestep the blade. Also, Kabuto controlling people from far away is never stated to inhibit the Edos' reaction speed in any way. Being controlled by someone thousands of miles away didn't stop the Third Raikage from dodging KCM Naruto's Rasenshuriken. And as for Orochimaru, the sword struck him in between syllables of a word during his speech. I think that that is pretty fast. Pair the Totuska Blade with a good feint and its lethal because its ethereal, meaning it can pierce through any object. If the sword didn't live up to its reputation then Orochimaru wouldn't seek it out. People need to stop downplaying Itachi and denying the very clear speed feats of Totsuka. There is no room for interpretations here. The advantage of being an Uchiha, especially for Itachi and Madara, is that during an encounter against them, they always have a counter because of their unpredictable way of fighting factor, they don't run out of options or techniques, they almost always have a counter in their arsenal, even forbidden jutsus seems irrellevant against them, only a few Uchihas know a certain way to approach the situation with a certain and effective technique, that's why is hard/difficult to fight against them in my opinion. ☯️ 🤷🏻‍♂️ Here are the things that make Itachi so formidable. Tsukuyomi - A genjutsu so powerful that you literally can't escape it unless you have the same blood as Itachi, as stated by Itachi himself and proven later by Sasuke, or you're a jinchuriki. Jinchuriki are supposed to be immune to genjutsu but it hasn't been proven, but when Bee was fighting Edo Nagato and Itachi with Naruto, he said to watch out for Tsukuyomi explicitly. Literally 99% of all opponents fighting Itachi have no way of stopping Tsukuyomi. You could have the power to split the planet in half and it wouldn't matter. (Want to know why? - Kakashi pretty much state it in the actual anime and manga that Tsukuyomi it's such a dangerous Genjutsu Technique because it happen in a instant, even if you realize that you are trapped in the Tsukuyomi, it will be too late, because Itachi could approach you during that time in the real world (or he can use an Explosive Clone to approach you without you even realizing it in time and he can pretty much finish you before you can even realize, - 72 hours in Tsukuyomi realm means 1 second or a couple of seconds in the real world. Tsukuyomi can't be broken, when used to it's fullest.) The Sword of Totsuka and Yata Mirror - The Susanoo itself is a near invincible defense but these two weapons take it to the next step. The Sword of Totsuka can seal "anything" if it even touches it. It's completely OP. It's hard to fight a guy that can seal you away if his sword even touches you. The Yata Mirror is even a bigger deal in my opinion. It doesn't block attacks, it's "negates" them. You could throw an Amaterasu covered Bijuu bomb at Itachi and the Yata mirror will negate it, making it so the Susanoo doesn't even need to take a blow. You could punch the Yata mirror and the force will completely be negated. His biggest strength of all: tactical intelligence - Itachi always outsmarts and plans for everything because the plot demands it. You're physically strong? Itachi is already 2 steps ahead of you knowing exactly what to do. You're extremely fast? Again, 2 steps. You're going to try and outlast Itachi in a fight? Good luck. To add to this, some of the 3 most powerful techniques in the verse are due to his intelligence and planning ability; Izanami, Izanagi, and Kotoamatsukami. Izanami - A forbbiden genjutsu technique that allows you to alter someone's destiny. Impossible to break out of even if you know you're in a genjutsu without complying with the users set destiny for you. Even someone like Bee, a perfect Jinchuriki, can't escape Izanami unless he does what Itachi wants him to. Izanagi - You somehow gained an advantage over Itachi? He makes it so that advantage never happened. Kotoamatsukami - Though Shisui's technique, Itachi has his eye which effectively makes it his weapon. A genjutsu so powerful that the person it's cast on doesn't even know they're under a genjutsu. Like the Tsukuyomi, completely OP. To add to all of this, Itachi is pretty good at hand to hand combat, is great with shuriken, is extremely fast, is great with regular fire techniques, is slippery and unpredictable, and has the extremely dangerous and fast Genjutsu style of fighting approach that can caught you off guard almost at any time. With all of these things considered you've got one dangerous ninja. Lastly but not least Kishimoto made sure that Itachi was seen as someone special and he did an incredible job in establishing that in the story. When Itachi Uchiha awakened his Susano'o, he was seen wielding legendary weapons of the Totsuka Blade and the Yata Mirror. The former allowed Itachi to seal anyone he pierced in a world of genjutsu forever, while the latter gave him the ability to deflect any and all attacks thrown towards him, regardless of whether they were physical or spiritual in nature. According to Zetsu (who was around since the period of Kaguya time era until the present of Naruto) he state it in the anime and also in the manga that these weapons, when combined with his Susano'o, made Itachi Invincible. This is why Kishimoto basically had to give him a handicap: Naruto AIDS. 🤷🏻‍♂️ ☯️

[@Portfelio]

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[@DandDgamer]

Also - thanks for the jades lmao

[@cunningfox7838]

Itachi’s intelligence is nothing to scoff at, and he can use it to take down opponents even stronger than him, however, I do feel like you guys have vastly overestimated him out the gate. A fatigued Itachi couldn’t dodge simple weaponry from Sasuke. Amaterasu and Susano are GG is many cases but for instance, Kakashi can go toe to toe with Itachi in hand to hand. He never just gets pummeled. Ever.

[@ThunderGodTG]

I didn’t get to talk about it here but I’d reccomend my Itachi vs each hokage vid I give my opinion on his illness and how it affects him in battle. The shuriken feat isn’t really an anti feat in the grand scheme of it all.

[@cunningfox7838]

@@ThunderGodTG except it is because the writer specifically calls attention to it, and supplies a reason for the poor performance. He would still be sick here. Kakashi dodged a chidori from an enraged Sasuke. Yes, he just fought Danzo, but he still had enough power to form the Susano, and fire an arrow. The point being he wasn’t fighting Kakashi on some below Hebi level. If part one Itachi claims Kisame fighting Guy would come with cost, and Guy is equal to Kakashi. Knowing Kisames power, it already implies that speed wise and combat wise kakashi can fight on that level.

[@ThunderGodTG]

Black Zetsu says they can't draw conclusions on what happened as Itachi was also fighting extremely out of character on top of his illness. It's not strictly in regards to his illness. The Shuriken feat is left actually very open ended.

[@KyoryuDiabolos]

Danzo purposely stayed out of the Pain attack so he could take power after it was over. If Itachi attacked instead I feel he definitely would have gotten involved since he wouldn’t pass on the opportunity to get Shisui’s other eye in Itachi’s possession and to take another set of Uchiha sharingan.

[@217superninja]

How does Kabuto put down Nagato …..the amount of win cons Nagato has is crazy, Soul removal,chibaku tensei,chakra rods,Gedo statue soul dragon,chaotic shinra tensei in this enclosed cave is a GG,the summons especially the replicating dogs . Nagato being an edo just helps him out even more he doesn’t even need Saskue’s help.Knowing the Rinnegan abilities also doesn’t matter ,he also knew itachi’s abilities and the Rinnegan’s are way more broken. Off topic ,why was Madara able to use Hashirama’s sage chakra instantly n didn’t turn into a slug or whatever his sage mode is.

[@___________0Z0X]

He had more Hashi cells, and Madara is a super prodigy god of shinobi.

[@217superninja]

@@___________0Z0X bro was busted lol

[@SamyulDavis]

I think you go overboard on the Hanzo de-bunking. That looks like a big puddle on the Sannin battlefield and everything we've seen of Hanzo's moveset just doesn't work underwater. Explosive tags, fog, sickle and chain... The underwater breathing is just another feather to his bow. It's clearly an option, but he's fully confident and geared for battle on-land. The Sannin all have summons that can function underwater, so I'm not sure the databook is doing that much here. He's wet because of the rain, this looks like a dry wasteland. I love the animated art of Itachi/Hanzo/Danzo throughout the video btw! Does Ninja Tribes app give you that clean video of the art?! So cool

[@ThunderGodTG]

Super fair we were just having fun with a different interpretation to just to add some new arguments since a lot of people rinse and repeat the same stuff.

[@jason15212]

Couldn’t you argue Kakashi was also trying to figure out Pain’s abilities vs just attacking him blindly with no other intention but to hurt him?

[@marv51]

W Minato video on the victims frr

[@holyphainesthai286]

I swear every time I see a vid from you it's a freaking cool idea

[@nich61]

ayyyy lessgo!

[@TFAric]

Do defend that Kisame statement, by that time Jiraya was probably stronger then both of them, but later on Itachi and Kisame get mayor boosts to their powers so the villains would be more powerful, I also don't think Itachi was a spy at that point. What I mean at that point is when it was written, I think that statement was retconed not meant to always be false. If it was a retcon I am actually sad it was because I think power-levels were so much more interesting back then. Abilities like Sussano just sucks in my opinion, this story about ninjas with super powers don't need chakra mech suits.

[@shafeckbrown496]

It is not like he gonna turn statue in just one try! He absorbed more than 2 senjutsus from sm Jiraiya & sm Naruto and he was still ok. He had to *repeatedly* absorb senjutsu from Naruto b4 turning statue. Nagato gonna definitely handle absorbing sage chakra from Kabuto b4 turning statue Next thing is, the 2nd time around Pain countered sound genjutsu and did damage, he may not do damage to sm Kabuto but he def avoiding genjutsu. Flash bang went off and Itachi was able to do something, Nagato would do the same seeing he can sense his opponent. Combo of bansho tenin+human path plus absorption would be great strategy. Finally, while doing the combo mentioned above, he reads Kabuto's mind concerning edo tensei, rip his soul. Bring him back as a path then use him to terminate the jutsu or chakra rods gonna still neg Kabuto's liquefying ability, control him while absorbing chakra and make hand signs to rescind the edo jutsu.

[@gamemastery3532]

Pein said if Jiraya knew Pein's secret Jeraya would win

[@ThunderGodTG]

Let’s not do this

[@gamemastery3532]

@@ThunderGodTG That's what Pein said, but I don't see how Jiraya would survive Chibaku Tensei

[@akasakasad6271]

26:35 also would saying it repels anything not be a no limits fallacy, it just sounds like hype and there was no one powerful enough to contest it

[@ThunderGodTG]

I do agree it’s not EVERYTHING but at the same time we’ve seen no upper limits so it’s just very impressive. The fact that it’s cited like this in the 4th databook of all places bolsters this as the Databooks are written and more so pertain to different points in the series. It’s just strong af with really good implications is all

[@mellothirty]

I feel like you guys are underestimating the weakness Pain has against genjutsu. Obviously if every path is there they lose no diff but to say they will lose to 1 path is a bit ingenuous. If Kurenai can distract the 1 path even for a couple minutes with her genjutsu Asuma could come deal the finishing blow. Obviously against the Deva path and the Animal path and maybe the Ashura path that won’t matter, but against any other path I’m confident they could take it down not to mention you guys didn’t mention Kakashi and Guy showing up during that fight ? Asuma took out Hidan with the help of Shikamaru, Kurenai is at least at the level Shikamaru was during that fight if not above and she specializes in genjutsu and Hidan fought against Jinchuriki im certain Hidan could beat every path of Pain 1 on 1 aside from the Deva path and maybe the Animal path. So I think you guys are highly underestimating Asuma and Kurenai she just looked completely useless because she got a really bad matchup also Asuma was swapping hands with Kisame for a bit who is def on the level of every path of Pain.

[@jrchanchu3895]

Sage mode Naruto can fight with his eyes closed, so tsukuyomi is not a thing. Sage mode naruto can also blanket himself in invisible natural energy for frog katas, so amaterasu's out too. Which leaves only susanoo. Also, Itachi literally needed sasuke's help (and vice versa) to break out of the auditory genjutsu. Itachi doesn't stand a chance against Sage Naruto.

[@delanireid]

Sage mode Naruto isn't that strong. Itachi destroys Pain arc Naruto. People miss the fact that Pain was nowhere near full power when he fought Naruto

[@marceloasensiofilho3833]

I dont see Itachi being able to beat Sage mode Naruto while I do not see Sasuke at that point of the story having any chance against pain

[@marleythekid8320]

Hanzo solos the verse when underwater