Thunderhawk vs. Stormbird

[@NobleKensaman]

i really like the dry brushing on that bumble bee

[@NobleKensaman]

oh man and the highlighting on the cat is just......mwah

[@cornchaptermasterofcarmine5902]

and the glazing on the wings absolutely perfect

[@Sup3rSaiy3n]

I used a Forge World Pollen Weathering powder on the legs.

[@awg40k27]

i see what you did there . ;-)

[@AHaugaard]

Dude, you need to bring your chapter to StrikingScorpion or WinterSEO for a real apocalypse battle!

[@Sup3rSaiy3n]

CLOROX BLEACH I don't think my painting is that good.

[@AHaugaard]

Sup3rSaiy3n Dude, your latest work is stunning, no worries on that front m8

[@awg40k27]

it is dude it just is. i see you in multiple vids talking your painting skill down, but its is just ''very good.'' you want ''excellence'' or ''perfection'' and no that isnt it , but its 'very good'' and you must be one happy camper to have huge very good painted army.

[@juliuscole07]

I cannot"bee"lieve what i'm seeing, such beauties of the Imperium!

[@Sup3rSaiy3n]

Julius Cole thanks honey

[@theemperor-wh40k18]

Sup3rSaiy3n hehe, 'honey'.

[@leakycheese]

You have quite a hive of super heavies now ;)

[@Sup3rSaiy3n]

leakycheese 😂

[@ChapterMasterValrak]

That's a huge bird!

[@Sup3rSaiy3n]

Chapter Master Valrak Thank you sir

[@nickkohlmann]

It's him!

[@muruaisaka6409]

i did not expect to see you here

[@sim.frischh9781]

The cat was actually a valuable asset for size comparison XD

[@chrisspiers1]

Now I want both ships to complement my Warhound! Great vid again mate, great models! 🙂

[@miguelortiz3836]

Great video Brother, these size comparizon videos are great because I usually wonder how would they look side by side with the rest of the models. I think two Thunderhawks flanking a Stormbird would look great (and transport a whole company's worth of marines!) just like a mantiple of two Warhounds flanking a Reaver (and then maybe two mantiples walking in the shadow of a Warlord Titan [just how much money that would be...]!) anyhow thanks for the video brother. The Emperor protects.

[@Sup3rSaiy3n]

Thanks Migel. That means a lot. Yes would love to get another Thunderhawk at some point. I'd probably go for another two Warhounds and another Reaver before that though :) If GW is making plastic Warhounds then count me in for two haha. Anyway in a novel I read there was a maniple of a couple of Warhounds and a Reaver accompanying a Warlord so that's where I got my inspiration from. I did the math and for 1 Warlord, 2 reavers and 4 Warhounds, with weapons it would cost £4,000!

[@miguelortiz3836]

Thanks to you for your great videos brother, it would be great but it is an awfull lot of money, if you get the Legio Titanicus Titan Maniple plus 2 Warhounds and 4 weapons (2 for each) it would be a grand total of £3,578! It would be awesome but wow... so much ££... anyhow one can dream! =)

[@pierat3338]

Gotta say, used to look at the Thunderhawk as the space marine transport that my personal chapter would always use, but ever since I saw the sokar I wrote that out and replaced it, because the sokar is amazing. That thing looks like the sort of transport that when that touches down everything starts running the fuck away from the 100 or so battle brothers who are storming from the things many exits plus the Thunderhawk just looks... Ugly? It looks like a box with wings where as the stormbird has more of an actual dropship feel and looks like it's more capable of its job

[@Xune2000]

To say I was disappointed when the new Thunderhawk was announced to be in resin and not plastic would be an understatement. I've wanted one of these babies since the metal Thunderhawk was released but could never afford one. It makes sense to me know though, with the release of the Primaris, that GW wouldn't want to invest in expensive tooling up to release a plastic model right as they're about to phase out the old marine line of models.

[@Sup3rSaiy3n]

Xune A lot of conflicting statements in that comment Xune. It reads like you're disappointed because you can't afford one rather than their decision to create one of the best FW models to date with detail a plastic version could only dream of. You could overcome this by just working harder, saving for a few months or sell some stuff you don't need. You have two kidneys right? 😉 It really depends how much you truly value this model. Furthermore 'phasing out the current space marine range'? Even if you worked for GW you would be saying these aren't replacing current marines, so do you know something even they don't? Primaris will not be replacing current range (that's from GW) and imo they never will. No-one is prepared to pay £30 for 5 plastic space marines oh and 10 mini marines are still better game wise. That sounded like a rant but it wasn't meant as one 😊

[@Xune2000]

I was just trying to say that with rumours and speculation, I thought a cheaper plastic Thunderhawk was on the way as my budget doesn't stretch to forgeworld prices. I do see the Primaris as replacing regular marines both in-universe and on the tabletop; especially with Pete Foley saying in the live Q&A on the 18th of May, that in-universe regular marines can retroactively receive the Primaris treatment and that the technology to creation of new Primaris will be given to individual chapters. On the tabletop, I believe this translates to the current marine line being phased out in favour of Primaris, possibly with upscaled versions of the older models for flavour. I could of course be wrong, but if I'm not, it makes sense that GW wouldn't want to invest in the expensive process of creating a metal injection mould for a plastic Thunderhawk that will be in a different scale to their new model range. We're already seeing the beginning of that with the Repulsor and Redemptor Dreadnought. I really do love the model and I've enjoyed your videos of it, thanks for sharing!

[@Sup3rSaiy3n]

Ah right. Yes I honestly thought a cheaper plastic Thunderhawk was on it's way too. Personally I wasn't disappointed for a number of reasons and try and give things a chance before I let them effect me emotionally. If anything it pumped me up to find more about the new resin model, the differences in the old model, customisation options and the lessons the designer learned from the incredible stormbird model. I never knew about that Q&A video and find it interesting that he is basically saying that all space marines can receive the treatment. I guess they have to leave something in the fluff to use if they go down that route. Good find and I'm pleased you used it to support your view. I can see how one would draw the next logical step from them upscaling their entire range but I really hope that doesn't happen. It would make a lot of models virtually redundant and those are the people that buy the most models. When I went to Warhammer Fest I saw a lot of middle aged men and guys a similar age to me. Shocked there were hardly any kids compared to 15 years ago. I can actually see them releasing smaller regular marines and custodes, tanks etc from FW but releasing bigger plastic marines and vehicles from GW. Although doing this will annoy a lot of people and will likely fragment hobbyists and collectors. Thank you for your kind words. Am pleased to have brought you the videos.

[@Xune2000]

I believe that Forgeworld will be continuing at the current scale with the Horus Heresy line of models and 40k Marine accessories (Primaris share the same size heads and shoulder pads as the current marines). Meanwhile GW will be moving to the new scale over the course of this edition; there is already fluff of newly created chapters in the Ultima Founding that are composed entirely of Primaris Marines. If the Primaris were only intended to be large elites for the existing chapters, I'm not sure how they would be able to square that with entire chapters of them. Of course it all comes down to the bottom line, if the old marines remain profitable the emphasis on Primaris may diminish. At the moment though, it looks like GW are going hard on them; as well as the Repulsor and Redemptor, the new Dark Imperium novel mentions Aggressor and Reiver squads. I expect we'll be seeing models for these squads this year.

[@kyle857]

Can't wait to see them painted.

[@Sup3rSaiy3n]

Just Some Guy Ok they're next on the list mate

[@greatoverlordchikonmaster7226]

The orks will run screaming NOT THE BEE'S! when they see that super heavy flyer with 20 void shields and 40 hull points, or just 200 wounds if its 8th edition.

[@TEXASUSA45]

Woah, a bee relic! Must acquire it!!

[@naomy1701]

that intro >_< love it

[@MaZEEZaM]

the warlord looks awesome and is huge but at $2350 AUD you really have to be super rich to want to spend that on a largish plastic model.

[@retributionangel5078]

Is the new Thunderhawk bigger than the old one? How man inches does it messure front to back and wingspan? Looks massiv next to the warhound

[@Sup3rSaiy3n]

I'm not sure. I don't have the old one so can't really say. From front to back it measures 19 inches and wingspan is about 18 inches.

[@svengro5019]

I noticed you only show golden sprayed Custodians. Have you some of them painted completly? i would love to see how they look painted.

[@copeious3045]

In this video, you should have done a still, and voiced over. But that ship is MASSIVE!

[@Sup3rSaiy3n]

Do what I like. Happy with 21K views.

[@themainman2827]

I wanted a Thunderhawk as gun-cutter for my Roge Trader RPG campaing, but definitelly i want a Stormbird now xD

[@mtglightning6669]

$1,350 in US dollars CRAZY!!!!

[@zednotzee7]

They are pretty large, aren't they ? How about a vid showing of all your flyers ? That would be interesting. the SM in particular must have quite an airforce by now, lol.

[@Sup3rSaiy3n]

zednotzee7 oh yes excellent suggestion.

[@sorenjulian6963]

Great idea, I just bought two thunderhawks to flank my stormbird....I just need to assemble and paint them...

[@paulofreire7520]

I know this is an oldie, but still, great review. The Thunderhawk is awesome, but... 500€… Ughhh...!!! The Primaris force really needs more transport options. Cheaper in points and in cost. 👍🏻

[@Sup3rSaiy3n]

Paulo Freire It is well worth it imo. One of FW’s best designed models and so much fun to build. If you can’t afford it, don’t buy it mate. I agree that Primaris need more transport options other than their flying transport tank. In the lore they have the super heavy Overlord flyer which is somewhere between the Thunderhawk and Stormbird. Think of a much larger Corvus Blackstar and you would be close to what it looks like. I guess FW will make it one day but it won’t be cheap in points or cost, because Primaris aren’t. Primaris are less than 2 years old and we had to wait many years to get drop pods, land raiders, thunderhawks etc. Primaris will get them, in time.

[@paulofreire7520]

Don’t get me wrong, it’s an awesome model and a fantastic center piece. And yes, I could afford it but my point is that eventually the majority of gamers, specially the youngest probably can’t. And there are no other options, except the repulsor. Cheers

[@Sup3rSaiy3n]

Paulo Freire It’s a £500 model. Of course young gamers can’t afford it. I thought that would be obvious to yourself and young gamers. Furthermore I wasn’t aware you were speaking on their behalf. How many did you speak to? Their circumstances clearly effect their ability to buy such models. I’d like to add that just because the majority of people can’t afford it doesn’t mean FW should make it more affordable. It’s one of their most expensive models from the more expensive branches of GW from a line of luxury products. As such all of the costs involved in design and production of the model are far greater than a repulsor for instance. Ferraris are no doubt not affordable for the majority of people but I wouldn’t waste my time fighting for those that cannot buy them. I would instead hope that they have enough freewill and intelligence to make their own decisions as to what is within reach of their current financial circumstances. More transport options for Primaris? Sure. Bigger transport options with similar or more detail for less price? Isn’t going to happen. Hope that helps.

[@paulofreire7520]

Sup3rSaiy3n I agree, my initial comment was not clear on its meaning. Cheers

[@MMM-nl8th]

Very nice videos! I just wonder what is your 30k chapter with all the models you own :)

[@Julian-xr5db]

Great vid as always Would love to have a storm bird but 750£ is a tad too much for me at the moment so I ordered a Thunderhawk instead, looking forward to assembling and painting it. Hope it will go nicely with the older model and my other flyers(Raptor, Xiphon and a couple of storm ravens)

[@Sup3rSaiy3n]

Nice one, superb choice ;) Would really like to get a Raptor and Storm Eagle. Was it a dog to build?

[@Julian-xr5db]

Sup3rSaiy3n The raptor was alright, the hull/fuselage was a pain to straighten out. The gunner spots were also very warped but overall a doable, nice looking kit and it isn't that expensive.

[@Sup3rSaiy3n]

Julian L ah right great. I've been meaning to get one for a while. I'll probably wait till after all the 8th ed and Custodes releases though.

[@Qiinsr]

Oh dang! They are bigger than I thought they where. Do you ...cat! use any flight stand/base?

[@samsendell]

hey by any chance do you have a fire raptor gunship? really want to know how big one of those is?

[@IDICBeer]

Great vid, enjoyed that

[@Keckegenkai]

Whats that intro song?

[@KamenRiderAnt]

I'd love to get bigger ships but I will forever be limited to the smaller stuff like the Stormtalon.

[@airsoftgaming3105]

So i want to get one but i dont know if i can store one how long/wide is it

[@nickkohlmann]

Thunderhawk or stormbird?

[@scottholden1938]

Wasn't there also a Thunderhawk transporter, where it could either carry one Land Raider or two Rhinos?

[@Sup3rSaiy3n]

Scott Holden There was at one point but it got discontinued.

[@scottholden1938]

Sup3rSaiy3n from my memory it looked quite cool, makes me sad that it was discontinued

[@Sup3rSaiy3n]

Scott Holden Yeah it did. Hope they bring it back.

[@RandomAlienGaming]

"You destroy a Thunderhawk, it's not a huge huge loss compared to a cat!" But how many points does the cat cost? :)

[@nickkohlmann]

The equivalent of 100.000.000.000.000.000.000 guardsmen

[@nickkohlmann]

I 100% agree concerning the stormhawk. I don't pay 600€ for a bulky box with wings and a straw on top

[@paulgibbons2320]

Drop your neighbours off at the foodbank in your £750 storm bird lol.

[@NorthernXY]

Damn, including printer and resin cost, I paid like $600 for both.

[@faolini]

Like for the bumble bee!

[@Sup3rSaiy3n]

Underdog 🐝👌

[@geronimo8159]

I don't want to sound disrespectful but to me it seems kind of crazy to spend this much on models ;). Nevertheless, I really enjoy your videos :D!

[@Sup3rSaiy3n]

Not at all. I have the same opinion on others that spend crazy amounts on their own hobbies too haha. Thank you.

[@manictiger]

They hold up against inflation pretty well. Better than buying a new phone every year just for it to be worthless the next. But, ofc, you don't buy these things to invest, but as far as hobbies go, it's not the worst ROI. Cars... People love cars and, unless it's a classic, cars depreciate like crazy. Most people I know, their car is their biggest money pit. Cutting Warhammer might save you 2 grand. Cutting the luxury car will save you 150+ grand over the life of the loan. Take the money from the car and spend it on real estate. With just 1 rental property and a place to live (you can do this with 1 property, known as "house hacking"), you can easily afford to live (not just exist, but live).

[@tobyward6072]

Wow nice........want one

[@gherkinisgreat]

Bee OP, please nerf. XD

[@greatoverlordchikonmaster7226]

Oh, you got a cat ? I heard it has weapon skill 10 and Rending

[@Sup3rSaiy3n]

dat bee tho.... flying monstrous creature, str D - one use only.

[@greatoverlordchikonmaster7226]

I think its the new chaos drone actually, like the blight drone, but a khorn one, a BLOODY MURDER drone, isnt that what all bee's are ? or just wasps

[@TheGamesNexus]

Thank you for this video! It always useful to see a model comparison. I've linked your work in my article about the Thunderhawk model: alkony.enerla.net/english/the-nexus/miniatures-nexus/miniature/miniature-vehicle/combat-flyer-in-1-64-scale-thunderhawk-gunship-3-for-warhammer-40-000-ed8-from-games-workshop-forge-world-2017-miniature-vehicle-review And I'm going to add a link to this when I get to the other models.

[@henrythe9th377]

Did you dream of having the lead thunderhawk when you were a kid?

[@Sup3rSaiy3n]

Henry the 9th yes 😊 and a chapter of my own. Titans weren't even on the scene back then.

[@markbrigandi7497]

Henry the 9th Oh my god- they made one of lead? Was it for display, or to brain people with? It must have weighed a ton!

[@henrythe9th377]

Actually, some idiot actually bought one, and this was how forgeworld was born.

[@nickkohlmann]

@@henrythe9th377 hahahahaha

[@KP-tl7ir]

Twelve hundred pounds for one pound of plastic? Why do you guys tolerate that?

[@scottholden1938]

Sup3rSaiy3n yeah me too

[@MickeyMulligan]

Comments for the algorithm god.

[@pointandshootvideo]

These days the Stormbird will set you back £940.50 and the Thunderhawk £549. Wish I could get these without upsetting the wifey. lol

[@Sup3rSaiy3n]

Would hope someone you’ve chosen to spend your life with would support and encourage your happiness.

[@pointandshootvideo]

@@Sup3rSaiy3n Spent about £1800 over the past two months on Primaris plus another £250 for the Battlefoam 720 bag with magna sliders. Not a peep. 😀 But definitely going to get an earful for spending that much on a single model, let alone two!

[@Sup3rSaiy3n]

@@pointandshootvideo oh damn fairplay. Yeh a big model like those is harder to hide. Good luck

[@FrostbiteRep]

A BEE!

[@Sup3rSaiy3n]

FBeskimo Stinger - Str D one use only

[@FrostbiteRep]

these forge world models are getting more and more lifelike

[@John-Sneed]

That's the bs of a bee?

[@_Anato_]

How the hell do you afford this shit? Unless you are running a painting/assembly business?

[@Sup3rSaiy3n]

AtoZ0to9123456 being employed

[@_Anato_]

Sup3rSaiy3n Well good on you, I'm mad jelly, want a warhound so bad..... most videos online with warlords and reavers and all that are from pro painters

[@rollingo8678]

I understand that warhammer is a hobby for a lot of people but why would you spend that much money on two models

[@Sup3rSaiy3n]

Monster Maus Because someone has to

[@nickkohlmann]

@@Sup3rSaiy3n If you say so sir

[@nickkohlmann]

Well; this specimen of hobbyist is some kind of collector and community reviewer if literally everything there is, he appears to be living his dream and not need to rush to the bank to get 10k credit for the next few forgeworld infantry boxes, so it's his decision.

[@wardude2260]

Do you need any help with painting anything? I can help you, for free!