Tier ranking coffee machines for beginners

[@pw5413]

Would love to see this type of video for grinders, thank you!

[@muratilik2486]

Yes please this type of for grinder

[@JoeGunawanfotosiamo]

Hells yea! The Profitec Go is the one I purchased! Can't wait to get it in 4 days to pair it with my DF64 Gen 2 grinder!

[@TheLucasMartins]

That's my setup. Had it for a month now and loving it.

[@WilliamTopListing]

I got the go a week ago, combo with DF54 grinder. Both Black.

[@aarjayemm]

Good video, thanks! You talk about the Rancilio Silvia but the price and picture shown are of the Silvia Pro X. Quite a difference there, and possibly a different score between the 2?!

[@Rydecoffeecoach]

Whoops I didn't pick up on that! Thanks! 🙌🙏

[@Vortex1988]

Maybe I just don't mind tinkering as much as the average person, but the Gaggia Classic Pro was my first espresso machine, and I still use it today. I'm only now thinking about upgrading to a Lelit Mara X four years later. I have never had a problem with the Gaggia, and I immediately made upgrades to it. Before I even pulled a shot, I changed out the OPV spring to make sure it was brewing at 9 bar, changed out the super hard plastic o-ring in the group head for a silicone one, upgraded to a precision shower screen, and bought a bottomless portafilter and 20g IMS basket. Maybe it's difficult to dial in a shot without all the upgrades, but I've never had a problem, and it was a great machine to learn on. Not to mention that I think the new ones come out of the box brewing at 9 bar now. I was even considering getting a PID or Gaggiuino mod for it, but now that I'm upgrading my grinder from a Baratza Sette 270 to a Zerno Z1, I figure I should just upgrade my machine as well.

[@Chestnut442]

Fantastic compilation Ryde; thank you. Keep the concept going. As an aside, my only quibble with manufacturers promoting their HX machines as being capable of simultaneously pulling a shot and steaming milk is - for most of us home brewers - "What's the hurry?" I am not running a snazzy café (like yours) with 150+ customers/day and need to put one on the counter every 32 seconds. Thoughts?

[@UWI-Anna]

I own a Lelit Mara X and Just got a Profitec Go in brushed stainless steel. Awesome machine

[@JashlynMedina]

Which one is easier to use ? Which one do you like better ?

[@UWI-Anna]

@@JashlynMedina I like profitec better coz of how quick it heats up. It took few pulls before I was able to get my workflow going but after that it was a breeze. Consistent shots every time. Steam for frothing is also more powerful in profitec. Only advantage of Lelit is being able to pull shot and froth milk at the same time for lattes. Shots quality are almost the same for both machines.

[@rjScubaSki]

I got a Micra as my first machine. Kept on bidding myself up… anyway, I like it.

[@JashlynMedina]

How would you rate these Lelit Mara Ecm mechanika slim PID Ascaso steel duo Diletta Bello plus with PID Rocket espresso

[@rorymoriarty-scanlon882]

What do you think about the Ascaso Steel Duo Plus? I’m kinda stuck between that, the Mara X, and the Profitec Go.

[@brendansmith]

It's really excellent

I know the Rocket TCA Apartamento is not for beginners, but I would love to see it in your next list.

[@norelmerdian]

I love my Profitec Go.

[@ShinSuperSaiyajin]

I own a Turin Legato! I own a V1 which doesn’t have a true preinfusion control but everything else like temp control and 2 heating elements are wins for me. V2 from what I heard has preinfusion control

[@rickokain3853]

Great video! What do you think of the ECM?

[@WordsWellSalted]

Wait, since when does heat exchanger mean you can pull shots and steam milk at the same time? I thought it meant that you specifically couldn't do that.

[@Rydecoffeecoach]

it's one of the benefits of a heat exchanger. It's because the water is being boiled for the steam and has a tube going through the middle that heats the cold water up as it's travels up to the group head. A single boiler can't do both simultaneously.

[@r0dney1422]

Zero actual reasons given for the F ranking of the ninja. I don’t own one, but it is made specifically for beginners. All the coffee snobs on Reddit also don’t want give it any credit. A handful of reviews actually put it up against some well established brands are very impressed with how well it performs.

[@paulvictor9368]

Please, please do the same for your second or third machines. Time to upgrade. Oh, that means I need a better grinder too. I have my second Sunbeam Cafe series. EMM 7200. Good for the price, but have some reliability issues with the latest model.

[@FatNorthernBigot]

Yes, this is a great idea for a video, and this guy really nailed it. 👍

[@JashlynMedina]

Which one is easier to use profitec go or Lelit ? Beginner.

[@fernandocardenaspiepereit4097]

I started with a Bezzera BZ99, the old chrome/red one, where do You put that?

[@waynedoherty7758]

Great video! I have a bambino and wondering what to replace it with when it eventually breaks. Want a ‘real’ espresso machine but don’t fancy 30min warm up times and big wait times between milk and espresso temps.

[@kitcraft9516]

I don't have the Legato/Apex/Gemilai but I really like the idea of the machine. I tend to prefer espresso produced on boiler machines, idk why, but that thermoblock for steaming is so convenient. As for the Stilosa, I wish they would have taken an ECP variant and put a steam wand on it rather than this. The ECP you can add an IMS shower screen, for example and mods and parts are more available. Here in Spain the Prosumer machines are a better value than in the US. For example, an Anna PID is about the same price as a Bambino...Breville/Sage machines here are quite expensive, comparatively. Nice list, thank you for sharing.

[@eskamobob8662]

You said silvia but then used a pic of the pro X. Do you think both mldels rate the same as a first machine?

[@Rydecoffeecoach]

Good spot! No that's a mistake in the editing that I didn't pick up. 😋 I would actually rate the pro x in the A or S tier but I'm not sure if it's a beginners machine because most beginners will just go for the Silvia.

[@eskamobob8662]

@Rydecoffeecoach i apreciate the super fast responce! Good to know. Assuming the silvia is rated so low cause of the temp surfing it requires? Or are there other issues?

[@lpfourez]

What makes you feel the Rancilio Silvia is so hard to play with to get great espresso ? Do you have any tips or video to help us using this machine ?

[@MrPAB34]

I was considering a Lelit, but how is their after sales service at the moment? Recently, I've heard from a number of coffee machine sales outlets/companies (as well as some online reporting) that Lelit are 'slow' on parts and service items (either backorder or generally not very helpful) - this could be Lelit themselves or their local distributor (both here in Aust and o/seas based on some reports).

[@Rydecoffeecoach]

Well, Lelit is now owned by Breville so they will be slower but probably get more guarantees if things go wrong.

[@ConstantineXXVI]

Got the Barista pro lacteally for 500euros, worth to change it for Profitec Go? I do have a DF64 Gen 2 grinder on the side though already :P

[@Rydecoffeecoach]

I would. How much can you get the Go for? If it's similar in price to the Breville then definitely change it if you can.

[@ConstantineXXVI]

@@Rydecoffeecoach I could get the Go for 900 delivered new, unfortunately it is not available where i am at locally.

[@luccalanzara4631]

Have you tryed Quickmill Pop Up?

[@curvebodyboardshop2052]

For very low budget go for the Delonghi stilosa! Incredible for the price... Just get a good unpressurized bottomless porta and you're good to go

[@XLTripleTriple]

Weird to put the Rancilio in B when you put the Gaggia at C for the same reasons, and it costs 3-4x more...

[@martinMZ72]

Great video. I ordered the Profitec Go yesterday.

[@juanmanuelnunezsoto1911]

What about de Breville Batista Touch? For an $800 USD

[@Charsept]

My Stilosa with a bottomless portafilter is still going strong. Daily lattes better than I can get at Starbucks.

[@hugoglenn9741]

The Silvia,single boiler is not,$1900 US. The Silvia Pro Dual Boiler is $1900. big difference in machines.

[@adeeb075]

How can you rank machines you haven't used???

[@After_GF]

You gave a better grade to the crappy hibrew than to excellent gaggia Better stick to watery pour over

[@topjets5616]

That's my machine Mara X in Black :)

[@sebastiancisnerosrivera7673]

Bambino, dedica maestro, casabrews 5418?

[@L7F0X]

my top 2 machines for purchase are in your S tier 😃

[@khoang82]

hm... This is just a review based on specs. If you have not used most of the machines, why bother making a video?

[@6mtzhp55]

(says nothing of substance because can't make a real argument against a machine, just random pejoratives with strong gatekeepy vibes) f TiEr

[@prodocik]

Lelit Elizabeth better then units you put on S

[@CH-yp5by]

bahhh blasphemy that the mighty Gaggia Classic Pro is put onto C tier, easily the only only machine that doe snot need a warranty that has the best build quality, the easiest to repair and get parts for if that is ever needed and the one machine that is the easiest to upgrade to provided results far superior than anything on this list.

[@curvebodyboardshop2052]

The new gaggia classic pro e24 comes with brass boiler. Improved temperature stability & steam power. Definitely A tier for the price!

[@DaneButler]

DeLonghi Dedica really should be in the F tier alongside its big brother the Specialista. That thing is such a piece of junk. On the other hand, I hope the Meraki proves itself to be a quality product. It looks like its got all the tools to help people learn to make great espresso.

[@Rydecoffeecoach]

Yeh I probably should have bumped it down but because it's so cheap it escaped the Fail tier. The Specialista is almost disrespectful though as the grinder can't even function properly and the convoluted "features" made me actually angry and they don't even make it cheap! 😅

[@GoetzimRegen]

The Dedica is cheap, easy to repair and relative thermperaturstable, more stable than the Bambino, see Kaffeemacher. So the Dedica 885 with the proper steamwand should be an A.

[@DaneButler]

@@GoetzimRegen as a former owner of that piece of garbage, hard disagree.

[@GZA036]

The profitec go is "cheap?" lol

[@splitchy559]

Its ok for what it gives, you can find it now for 780euros Black Friday deal. I think i will order one these days.

[@rjScubaSki]

Cheap as chips