Tiffen Black Pro Mist 1/8 vs 1/4 | Which Is Best For That Cinematic Look?

[@rezahadian]

I'm leaving the comment in the middle of the video! This is by far one of the best videos I've seen about Black Mist filters on KZbin. Very well explained. Thanks for sharing.

[@CreativeTechLab]

Thanks for the kind words. I really appreaciate it!

[@tobiascrow2792]

Perfect video to choose the right one, and yes... 1/8 is the way to go. 1/4 just softens too much IMO. Thanks for great content!

[@seanconery8836]

Very useful video. Thanks. After many comparatives I decided to order the 7Artisans Black Mist ($22 on Aliexpress). I chose the 1/4 and 1/8 for my Voigtlander APO Lanthar 35mm f/2. Also for anyone who is interested (found on the web) : " When Tiffen created Pro Mist Filters they created the different strengths in order to provide a consistent level of filtration across the range of focal length lenses because the filtration effect increases as the focal length of the lens becomes more telephoto. A 1/4 pro mist (black or white) will be much stronger on a 85mm lens than it will be on a 25mm lens. A common formula for using Pro Mist Filters is 1/2 Promist for 18mm and wider, the 1/4 Pro Mist for 25mm - 35mm lenses, and 1/8 for 50mm and above. This principle applies to all diffusion filters. I hope this is information is useful. "

[@CreativeTechLab]

Also from the internet and makes more sense: "The issue here are two somewhat contradictory ideas. One is that longer focal lengths needs less diffusion to match strength. Two is that tighter shots needs more diffusion because our eyes want more clarity (information) for wide shots. Both are correct. What confuses people is that we associate using longer focal lengths with going in tighter, and we think wider shots always use shorter focal lengths. What this all really boils down to is that you have to pick the strength of the diffusion by what feels right to you in terms of the degree of softening. Or you can think of the two rules, being contradictory somewhat, as cancelling each other out and you can just use the same filter most of the time. But I would still adjust the strength now and then to control the level of detail (use less or none for extreme wide shots, use more for extreme close-ups) or to compensate when the situation is already causing softening (low-contrast scenes like in a hazed set for example, or shooting into a hot sky and getting a lot of flare.)"

[@stephenericwalsh]

Great tests. Thanks. One suggestion, could you hard cut when changing between filters rather than cutting away to you briefly. Would love to see them one after the other. Minor quibble.

[@CreativeTechLab]

Thanks for that feedback. I'm editing another filter video right now. And I'll incorporate that feedback in the next video.

[@stephenericwalsh]

@@CreativeTechLab Thanks again for the work.

[@PullthePinPtP]

This was fantastic. Very helpful and informative. To the point. Great examples. No BS. Exactly what a review like this should be. Thank you.

[@CreativeTechLab]

Thanks

[@matrixate]

1/8 looks like a workhorse because you could amplify the effect with Bloom. You can always add mist, but it's much more difficult to take it away.

[@CreativeTechLab]

that's a solid way to look at it

[@jacquesnel8384]

Great video man ! Love from South Africa 🇿🇦

[@CreativeTechLab]

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[@sold9948]

Awesome video!! This is super useful info. Diffusion filters really do make a huge difference! Comparing all the options was useful as well. Just found your channel, subbed!

[@CreativeTechLab]

Thank you! Glad you liked it. Be on the look out for two follow up videos to this

[@mattknight533]

Mate this was exactly the video I was after. Wasn’t sure what to go for. Personally, the 1/8 is right for me

[@harlemwoodstudios]

This is an informative comparison.

[@CreativeTechLab]

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[@JamalPhoenix]

Great video was wondering which to get definitely think the 1/8 is better

[@CreativeTechLab]

Glad I could help

[@giandaoliveira]

Thank you very much for explaining these details 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@CreativeTechLab]

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[@deviceuploadvideos]

Thank you! was looking for a Video like this! Great!! Osss

[@CreativeTechLab]

Glad it was helpful!

[@aaphotofilm]

Great work Leo, as i said i always learn something new from your videos and your colour grading is phenominal

[@CreativeTechLab]

Thanks a ton! Color grade video dropping tomorrow!

[@aaphotofilm]

@@CreativeTechLab really. i asked at the right time then lol, i cant wait for that :)

[@CreativeTechLab]

lemme get to editing! LOL. I was supposed to drop it last week as a '3 minute Thursday' but didn't finish in time! 🥴

[@aaphotofilm]

@@CreativeTechLab oh really? lol at least you tried but of course, no rush as i know how much editing can take time, i been down that road before myself lol

[@CreativeTechLab]

I saw ur A6700 video. Looks like u already have ur color grading sorted LOL

[@mrlucashyde]

Brilliant video! I’m buying a diffusion filter today and this helped me make my decision! Cheers!

[@CreativeTechLab]

Glad I could help!

[@AI3Dorinte]

really well made, this answered all my questions, thank you!

[@CreativeTechLab]

Glad it was helpful!

[@wtonthemove6861]

Excellent video. Thank you... It has helped me decide which I should get first...well done.

[@CreativeTechLab]

Glad I could help!

[@UBEZERK]

Very informative big dawg am I crazy for liking No filter more??? I feel like No filter or 1/8 would do just fine.

[@CreativeTechLab]

Not crazy at all. It's really a personal preference

[@bardofhighrenown]

Great video! Thanks for the comparison. It was very helpful

[@CreativeTechLab]

Thanks for watching!

[@randallstudios9500]

Excellent presentation and information... thank you!!

[@CreativeTechLab]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@kifley19]

Great comparison. 1/8 looks better than the 1/4.

[@CreativeTechLab]

It's great for a more subtle effect

[@ryanpearce9673]

Really informative video, thank you!

[@CreativeTechLab]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@mikkomalinen2641]

Good comparison. How much do you think that filmic look can be achieved in post? In Davinci Resolve at least there's quite nicely working halation effect.

[@CreativeTechLab]

Definitely can be done. I just find with video you want to do as much as possible in camera because you're dealing with so much more images and data. Where as with a single photo you can get away with so much more post processing.

[@Tonellacam]

Hey ! What lens did you use for this , I was told 1/8 is good for anything over 50mm and 1/4 under 50mm… thanks 🙏🏽

[@CreativeTechLab]

The interview tight shots were shot at 70mm. My talking head shots are usually arounf 28-35mm. I don't think there's really any rules to focal lengths matching filter strengths. It really comes down to the look you're going for. Check this thread for a good discussion on the topic: cinematography.com/index.php?/forums/topic/87199-intensity-of-diffusion-filters-and-focal-lengthshot-sizes/

[@Tonellacam]

@@CreativeTechLab that’s true with the rules I should say when I say I’ve heard the under or over 50 mm lens that was for just kind of taking the sharpness off footage and maybe having a more mild to medium effect , of course if you are going for a really dreamy soft look then it’s anything goes !! I personally just like a subtle look but the higher the lens like an 85 lens a 1/8 would be more of a medium look in my opinion ! I’ll check out that the discussion ! Cheers for the response

[@CreativeTechLab]

Yeah it's definite an artisitc choice. If you like a subtle look, check out the follow up video I did for this one on the Black Satin filters here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/o2S3mJajoceciJY I had those in the 1/8 and 1/4 also. But the effect is so subtle that I think you could go stronger.

[@MartinVlog444]

great video ! was debating if i should get and which one should i get budget permitting.... i love the image of the 1/8 thank you

[@CreativeTechLab]

My pleasure!

[@bobansky]

Hmmm...I feeel outside shots were too warm. Have you used IR filter too outside?????

[@CreativeTechLab]

No never used a IR filter. And yeah, the sun was setting pretty fast.

[@FabioCormack]

Great video, thank you!

[@CreativeTechLab]

Glad it helped!

[@David-u2b5p]

Amazing review just what I was looking for. I have a FUJIFILM XF 27mm f/2.8 R WR Lens. Do you think thr 1/8 or 1|4 would be best. I heard if you have a higher focal lenght like 85mm then 1/8 is good other if you have lower the 1'\4 is better. Is this correct ?

[@CreativeTechLab]

I see that comment a lot about matching diffusion strengths to focal lengths. The best explanation I've found is from a forum on the subject. Someoene named David perfectly summarized it like this: "The issue here are two somewhat contradictory ideas. One is that longer focal lengths needs less diffusion to match strength. Two is that tighter shots needs more diffusion because our eyes want more clarity (information) for wide shots. Both are correct. What confuses people is that we associate using longer focal lengths with going in tighter, and we think wider shots always use shorter focal lengths. What this all really boils down to is that you have to pick the strength of the diffusion by what feels right to you in terms of the degree of softening. Or you can think of the two rules, being contradictory somewhat, as cancelling each other out and you can just use the same filter most of the time. But I would still adjust the strength now and then to control the level of detail (use less or none for extreme wide shots, use more for extreme close-ups) or to compensate when the situation is already causing softening (low-contrast scenes like in a hazed set for example, or shooting into a hot sky and getting a lot of flare.)" Hope that gives you some more clarity.

[@David-u2b5p]

@@CreativeTechLab thank you so much bro

[@kerareyan]

Amazing video! Thanksssss!

[@CreativeTechLab]

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[@Frankiids]

WAAW I just learn something ! thank you so much ! new sub :)

[@CreativeTechLab]

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[@thedevhow]

Thanks man, very useful.

[@CreativeTechLab]

Glad to hear it!

[@NAJCaptured]

Very informative...bless up 🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲

[@CreativeTechLab]

Big up

[@rakoksy]

honestly 1/8 isn't filmic/cinematographic, 1/4 is different....1/8 is a digital less sharp I guess that people who prefer 1/8 don't want really (fear) the effect

[@CreativeTechLab]

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[@andersistbesser]

1/4 is fantasy film look and much to cheesy in my eyes. Its too strong

[@LukeSchaeferFilms]

Did you know that it all depends on the focal length so for a wider lens you need 1/4th to achieve the effect but on an 85mm prime a 1/8th will give you just as much!

[@lujaygoneshootsum9539]

@@LukeSchaeferFilmsI heard this too

[@PosetivityJunkie]

1/8 was correct in my choosing

[@CreativeTechLab]

Great choice.

[@tom_nuyts]

I would prefer the K & F ⅛ and ¼ - their graduation is more sophisticated, and they are the ONLY Black Mister Filter (4/2024) with complete anti reflection coatings

[@CreativeTechLab]

Sounds good

[@JUGUELO]

Thank a lot👌

[@CreativeTechLab]

You're welcome!

[@TheACLP]

1/4 is the way to go, but again im a 0% or a 100% kind of guy

[@CreativeTechLab]

Nothing wrong with that

[@ХЕЙТЕРЫ-ы2б]

these filters are not intended to have this kind of rim light

[@CreativeTechLab]

?

[@loveclubfilms1634]

Bless up brother

[@CreativeTechLab]

🙏🏾

[@yzho105]

why do i feel 1/6 would be the best ? (joking there is no 1/6)

[@CreativeTechLab]

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[@VulgarTruth]

1/4 reminds me what a basic footage drom black magic pocket cinema cam look like. Lol

[@CreativeTechLab]

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[@GilbertTV]

there is a lot of irony in the use of these filters haha.. as you can tell im not buying into this hype & not for 150 bucks either My Samyang lenses have character unlike most of Sony's lenses I could use on my Sony camera good video & nice to see ya

[@CreativeTechLab]

LOL. It's definitely more of video thing than a photography thing. And as always I appreciate the support 🙏🏾. I'm trying to get back to being more consistent.