Gravenberch to Bayern, Nunez to Liverpool, and Transfers Galore | The Tifo Football Podcast

[@skunkpirates]

Timestamps 3:19 International Football 6:00 Haaland to City 8:19 Nunez to Liverpool 20:07 Gravenberch to Bayern Munich 26:45 James Tarkowski to Everton 30:15 Djed Spence to Spurs 34:26 Mauricio Pochettino gone? 43:40 Luis Campos at PSG 50:50 Long term contracts 56:18 Valencia CF

[@BrianB_EZE]

God bless you Nic 🙏🏾

[@Vinniesahota]

thank you

[@uyandamotha1338]

It’s people like you that give me hope for humanity. Shout out Nic

[@Akshaykr7]

son of a gun

[@Siberian_Nyt]

👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾

[@J_Tevo]

Wow, JJ’s rant about Pochettino was quite something. The way he flipped the table and screamed “He’s a bottle job” caught me off guard. Very surprised he hates him this much.

[@tommyknockers5492]

Poch is sooooooo over hyped.

[@Omar_Little]

Spurs DNA

[@dgh6g33gf]

@@Omar_Little You think Pochetino spreads his Spurs DNA all over the ladies when he's in Paris, France?

[@christianbrix4311]

You say 'the one and only Jon Mackenzie' when clearly he's a clone of Seb where they messed up the eyes a bit

[@INeedsAHobby]

I've wanted to put this into words somehow and you've said it absolutely perfectly.

[@AeolianMusica]

John’s analysis is first rate, and the way he can speak in such depth off the cuff is really impressive.

[@AeolianMusica]

@@dandominare Wrong phrase. Referring to how fluid and concisely expressed his verbal analysis was. Of course it‘s prepared, but I don’t imagine it‘s scripted.

[@randomrussianguy603]

​@@dandominare if you think it's scripted then you're bonging

[@TheAthleticFC]

@@dandominare hello there. You seen very sure of this! Sadly, it’s not quite accurate. We DO have a run sheet that tends to be compiled by Joe or Seb on a Sunday. And whilst Jon and JJ can see it a few hours beforehand, unless you think they sit up overnight on Sunday preparing for the podcast, there is quite literally no time to prep. The vast, vast majority of what is said here a lot closer to “off the cuff”, as the previous commenter puts it, than prepared. I’d encourage you to be a little bit politer in the comments section next time, Dominare! There is absolutely no need to go around calling people naive, particularly when you’re wrong.

[@mclovinjr9086]

@@TheAthleticFC SLAM DUNK LESGOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[@MrDon780]

@@TheAthleticFC The wording of that was chef’s kiss. Pay rise for whoever wrote it.

[@theearlymanway]

This was one of the best podcasts I have heard in a while. Thanks Tifo!

[@rory4605]

Tifo's transfer business is reminiscent of Liverpool's, sign talent before you necessarily need them to ensure a smooth transition and avoid a lull in form. John is the Diaz to Alex's Mane, or the Nunez to his Salah, or.. you get the jist, what i'm trying to say is, i'm loving the podcast, and loving the new faces, and I love analogies.

[@gabrielaguirre8311]

15:44 Juventus use to do that with Mandzukic as a Left Wing and Cuadrado as Right back

[@makavelismith]

I absolutely love this show. From the brilliant football talk, to the little comic moments. t's the best out there.

[@hveisel]

Jon's ball knowledge and analysis is top class, wow!

[@wizardaka]

There's a famous straight line speed test of Ronaldo vs a sprinter I think if anyone is interested. Which they probably aren't. But it does illustrate the difference in being able to dynamically change direction at pace.

[@BigMujK]

Yeah it was this castro documentary where they tested him, the most incredible moment was when he scored a corner in pitch darkness

[@tedh101]

Can definitely see the lads forming britpop-style footy stats supergroup with Jon as Paul Heaton from the Housemartins, Seb as Tim Booth from James and JJ as a scruffy young Damon Albarn. Joe as Bez? i’d pay.

[@MsZeeZed]

Klopp’s “downturn” at Dortmund should be seen in the context of Dortmund readjusting their financial position within the Bundesliga. They hit a peak, sold some great players & did not reinvest in that squad. In England Liverpool’s “downturn” last season was about 4x one-legged CB limping about. This year they were all back +1 and Klopp is a great manager, because to say otherwise makes you look silly.

[@dgh6g33gf]

Its funny because I think they covered that in one of their videos if Im remembering correctly

[@96s40]

👆🏻👏🏻 Yes, well said! People really don’t understand Dortmund’s financial situation and what it was like which Klopp came in (basically recovering from bankruptcy), then Bayern swoops in and poaches his best players who he’d developed. His final season was virtually set up for an enormous drop, but what he achieved whilst there was exceptional. Nobody has come close to knocking Bayern off that perch since; completely deserving of his legendary status. Just for context too: Bayern’s CEO (Watze) admits to crying when he left and says he with hindsight he’d just replaced the team instead of the coach, and both Bayern and Dortmund offered him a job to return to Bundesliga since leaving

[@gibospartan6185]

I completely agree with JJ that the Spurs squad was poor when Poch left. It is however important to consider that the chairman took a big role in the transfer market and regularly signed players Poch didn't want, while preventing Poch from signing the players he actually wanted.

[@bannnnner]

JUST in time to miss the Bissouma -> Spurs transfer

[@TheTomAbz]

The thing about Haaland is I believe he will succeed even if he has a bad first season at Man City. He looks like the guy with the right attitude and he is also working under a rotational system which means his injuries will be minimized.

[@amolmehrotra1296]

Peps Rotation didn't help Aguero though who used to miss many matches for city

[@rorisangpitswane825]

Not only that but Haaland in Dortmund and Norway has to carry a lot of the offence, in City his only job will be to score, he won’t necessarily need to track back to blitz past a few players like he did at those clubs

[@davidlean1060]

He's only 21 (almost 22), so he has time. His fee isn't extravagant either, not for a player with his potential, so in the unlikely event he isn't a success at City, 50 mil is worth a punt on him.

[@donwilsonfromthewildlifepr2904]

My favorite Football Manager podcast

[@TomSaysStuff]

It's insane Bayern seem to get fantastic deals all the time. Gravenberch for around 20 these days it's nuts.

[@j.d.bolick8657]

It really isn't because Gravenberch only had one year left on his contract and he is nowhere near ready to play for a club of Bayern's level. Mazraoui was a good signing for them but Gravenberch is a head-scratcher. I am pretty confident that this will be another Renato Sanches situation where Gravenberch fails to impress until he joins a different club where he can play regularly.

[@zirbto5749]

@@j.d.bolick8657 Renato Sanches is a different case he didn't play enough at Bayern but sometimes when he did he was just bad. Then in preseason he did good. Something just didn't work with him but he also didn't do good at Swansea. He is just a strange case.

[@Ikhlashasib10]

@@j.d.bolick8657 stay a hater he won't be no renato sanches

[@MRCL-190]

Because the players know they will win the league and play in the UCL so Bayern are in a really strong position. Plus clubs know they won’t pay a lot

[@jasonyoung2160]

Isn’t everyone knackered? Find it a weird excuse that only UK national players are suffering with fatigue. Relegated Middlesbrough Southgate V prem title winning Manchini I think shows the tactical levels of England. Fumbling our way to our first final in 15+ years isn’t the doing of Southgate, but of the incredibly talented squad we have. Honestly reckon we’ll look back at what Southgate is doing in regret all because we only want a Bri’ish manager.

[@dabisset7900]

couldn't agree more sir

[@Ryan-ys2bq]

I see the graven signing like real with camavinga just getting ready for the next step

[@j.d.bolick8657]

More like Renato Sanches, as Gravenberch is clearly not ready for such a big step.

[@RumpleMyStiltSkin]

Jon is like a duck to water, good job !

[@arahman137]

Haven't big money signings to the Premier League from the Portuguese league been more successful than from the Bundesliga in recent years? I am thinking Fernandeds, Dias, Diaz vs Werner, Sancho, Pulisic (Havertz's been decent though)

[@Ikhlashasib10]

put sancho in liverpool and you'll see pulisic is good but don't play enough only flop was werner and why you leave out names such as KDB, gundo, son and sane who are better than those three portuguese players you named there

[@munireljaouhari4567]

I loved JJ discussing Poch. Very true

[@thatguyoverthere312]

Hey John, straight line speed is not a good term but it is an accurate term to describe a player's speed when traveling in one direction, rather than their speed when making many changes in direction.

[@stephenowen3383]

The point about the 10 year contract and Pepelu is interesting and not unprecedented. An Osasuna midfielder of a similar age called Jon Moncayola did the same thing last year. In Moncayola's case part of it imo is to make it so that if a club wants to sign him they will have to pay the release clause in his contract (which is going to decrease a little bit over time). Partly a statement of loyalty, partly a way of reasserting club power.

[@YodasPapa]

24:08 Is this a reference to "we're just normal men"? If so I love it. I have an urge to sneak it into all conversations.

[@vecterpls]

"I am bored now, I want to end the podcast" JJ turned into Joe so quickly we didn't even notice.

[@SteveItOut]

JJ sold the flip out of The Athletic here. Joe must be so proud.

[@CassWeaver]

Poch's Spurs team was amazing to watch Jay Jay.

[@gamalhanno5851]

Love the “YESSSHHH” : )

[@sammypalomo1833]

Thanks

[@jawwadkhan6146]

I feel like Seb is the reason they overrate Poch. So it’s nice to see some criticism.

[@MrTaucher007]

41:02 JJ pleeeease make a song about Seb's thoughtful gaze while you talk about Spurs

[@mzamogagaimzeeza9055]

Damn i just realized Alex is gone again for the 3rd time😭😭

[@marko9463]

I havent tuned in for a while what happened???

[@sleepyheadbeats4352]

@@marko9463 he moved on amicably

[@marko9463]

@@sleepyheadbeats4352 what does that mean

[@pooroldnostradamus]

@@marko9463 He was fired.

[@marko9463]

@@pooroldnostradamus do you know the reason?

[@scotthayes8450]

Disagree about tactics being less important than signings whether talking about managers or clubs. I'd argue that the tactics and team cohesion/spirit are as important as getting transfers to fit tactics and mentality of the manager's team identity

[@judoexpert2057]

Real Madrid is an example of club that doesn't follow your theory

[@scotthayes8450]

@@judoexpert2057 except they have kept the same tactical profile for the last several years. This tactical profile happens to also be intrinsically weaved in with their team identity and transfer policy. PSG, man united, everton, Juventus etc have all struggled despite spending bulk on players but lack the clarity of tactical makeup and/or coaching quality to reach the top of Europe. Idk, if you're offering a counter point, I'd suggest giving reasoning?

[@judoexpert2057]

@@scotthayes8450 when I watch real I don't see any consistent tactics, they just somehow win most of the times

[@reid566]

JJ “The Bullet” Bull is my favorite

[@str-tw4zk]

My worry about the Nunez transfer is him being able to link the play well enough. That has been so crucial for Liverpool in that false nine position, first with Firmino and then with Mane. Can't say I've watched loads of him but it doesn't really look like that's his game

[@exgardevior]

his link up play is amazing... he will be a star

[@samt7676]

Nah it’s pretty good bro trust me lol in fact it’s one of his main strengths in terms of progressing the ball.

[@str-tw4zk]

@@samt7676 I'm not talking about his ball progression, I'm talking about his ability to link the play with his back to goal and play incisive through balls to the inside forwards (Salah, Diaz, etc.). From what I've seen of him so far that's not his game, not to say he can't develop it though

[@marko9463]

@@str-tw4zk Im pretty sure hes good at link up not hold up tho

[@blazo8700]

hes not a deep lying forward but liverpool desperately need goalscorers so its possible we might see a major tactics/formation change this season

[@joemagill4041]

With regards to player contract length, wonder how much this has to with the football pyramid at club level becoming more and more set. As such, if a player wants to move up the pyramid, they can't necessarily trust that the club you are at will be able to break into the level above, as such, if you want to personally move up the pyramid, you have to move clubs and you probably have to do it quite regularly.

[@aka_jr]

I wonder if Liverpool switch to a 4-2-3-1 with the incoming Nunez and Carvalho.

[@WOOOPdoctorFROGhere]

I'd be surprised if Carvalho becomes a regular straight away. If he does show he's good enough to be a regular then it'd have to be a 4231, it could be like klopps system when they had coutinho

[@kevinokemwa8196]

We are going to play like Fulham in the Championship..I say this with the addition of Carvalho and Nunez. A 4-2-3-1 would suit both those new players and also add a new dimension of Salah (who was getting dominated/double teamed in the second half of the season) in Liverpool

[@owendallison6913]

A second Christmas Day in the middle of January? Welcome to Spain. We have Three Kings on January 6th (evening of the 5th being big too). It is the day kids originally received gifts. However Dec 25th has come to rival it's supremacy. So we now have two kind of good days two weeks apart.

[@lukasrumreich3521]

Jota-Nunez-Diaz kinda seems like it may be smooth transition for the next generation Liverpool attacking trio. Obviously have some crazy heights to hit if they want to replicate their direct predecessors, but no doubt they show promise...

[@junioradult6219]

I wanna see gordon get some more game time on the right as backup if he bulks up he could be something special. He was only 17 in those last games.

[@lukasrumreich3521]

Almost certain Klopp will find a way to incorporate his youngsters and keep Liverpool at the top

[@happy_labs]

Great podcast. I feel like something's not quite right with the audio, though? Like it's mostly fine but something about the levels isn't quite right

[@justhurricane5331]

The stark lack of professionalism when JJ presents the podcast adds a lot to it I feel

[@gentleken7864]

Usually huge money transfers don't work out if you see the 10 biggest transfers in world football, but Liverpool haven't bought a lemon for a while, so with the law of averages, I'd say that he'll probably be excellent.

[@kingkai5115]

barcelona and united are the worst culprits Edit: Chelsea not too great either

[@otto_jk]

@@kingkai5115 LAKAKA 🎶

[@marko9463]

From time to time madrid I reckon

[@troytigwell]

I'm wondering, was there ever a time when The Athletic shout outs were thought out 🤣🤣🤣

[@Fitzy24]

Are you possibly insinuating that Joe Off the Rails Devine, completely makes up his Athletic shout outs? And you know who doesn’t completely make things up? The Athletic.

[@henryadamscoach]

John 👍

[@jumpmanblanco3048]

legends

[@DanielS10291]

39:30 try telling that to spain at the last world cup 😅

[@AntmanArma]

What can they bring that they don’t have at Everton now? I don’t know maybe he can actually defend 😂 and won’t gift goals to the opposition

[@Lintonz]

Curious to why during the Djed Spence bit you didn’t once mention the club that owns and is selling him?

[@benhayward2597]

Did Seb join the podcast to quash the rumours that Jon is him with glasses and a northern accent.

[@harrkava2141]

Feels sometimes like people want Liverpool to drop off rather think they actually will. It happened last season when a staggering amount of journalists had Klopp's Liverpool finishing behind Ole's United side with Liverpool's full squad back from injury. City are bringing in Håland and Alvarez who are both 2 very young strikers, 1 of them coming straight from South America, and then there's talk of Gabriel Jesus, Sterling and Bernardo Silva leaving. City could also drop off due to many squad changes but that never seems like a possibility to anyone. Mané's role down the middle always felt like a short term fix and his swan song but the reality was he was slowly becoming more predictable. Liverpool still have Jota and Salah who bagged over 60 goals together and have now brought in a young striker who makes them more unpredictable who has just bagged 34 goals last season.

[@dadedraak]

55:00 NATHING! 😂

[@cheangizzz]

Wait no word on Tchoumeni? Most expensive cdm transfer

[@vidiveniviciDCLXVI]

The year things went tits up at BVB was when the club sold like almost every good player at the club. This is a big reason he decided to leave BVB and wanted to look for a club that wasn't going to be a feeder club.

[@gregyuhas7498]

Will there be a song about bees

[@jumpmanblanco3048]

Hungary and Germany were insane today

[@RUSHLAD98]

come on you boys in green

[@legendscleaningservices4587]

LEGENDS ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@HerrCron]

Hey, hey, HEY! Our current national men's team is not the worst Ireland team in recent memory. But it's close.

[@finbarlynch5169]

Man for man it surely is

[@22many77]

you have two soft-spoken fellows and the Bullard who projects a bit, leading to a volume imbalance where I'm constantly tweaking my speakers. please adjust for this going forwards.

[@tomcrisp261]

this might sound silly but i really think man utd should be going for tarky - miles better than maguire, can pass it quite well and on a free

[@WillCowlin]

Could just call straight-line speed velocity

[@jordanh550]

JJ, Potch couldn't sign any players for like 2 transfer windows and still got them chasing the PL????

[@dansanchez7129]

Anyone else who feels like Haaland and Nunez won't find it easy to adjust to PL? Surely they'll do well long-term, but everyone's talking as if they'll take the league by storm next season.

[@hyp3459]

I'm interested to see if it will take some time for the team to also adjust to Haaland. Haven't had a striker playing consistently in a few seasons

[@youcantcme2]

Haaland will probably, Nunez will struggle.

[@marko9463]

@@youcantcme2 based on?

[@amolmehrotra1296]

I worry about Haaland injury record with him missing 60 percent of BL league campaign last season. Nunez will take some time to adjust under klopp but I can see him doing well with Trent and Robbo constantly putting In dangerous crosses

[@WOOOPdoctorFROGhere]

You're doing that football fan thing of having a speculative hunch that these players will struggle rather than looking at the facts. Bizarre really but you're not the only one to be blinkered by that idea that 'my opinion is more valid than any evidence you can produce'. Both players have been excellent, haaland for at least 3 years, nunez for 2. Then add on top of this the fact that Liverpool and City signings hardly ever fail nor need much time to settle in. It's only united that could somehow bollocks it up with these two players.

[@samuelpraneeth5796]

I like what I've seen of John so far, but it sounds a bit like he *wants* Liverpool to have a downturn more than he believes they will have one haha

[@pozsoz]

JJ Bull must be protected at all costs

[@mzamogagaimzeeza9055]

The Athletic

[@ryanmeek6284]

It’s pronounced noon-yez. The little squiggly bit does that

[@julian-fricker]

Nunez isn't a Mane replacement, thats Diaz. He's a Divock Origi replacement, someone who can allow us to play in a different way. Hopefully he's a big upgrade. The way he played against us, very physical with Konate, showed he'll be OK in the prem.

[@Curitive]

PSG needs to clear out some players and get some harder workers.

[@ivankut]

This isn't the intended take away but my fave thing is that Seb also can't stand the boring, cheap punditry tropes of pluralising player names and the perennial overuse of "identity". 🤝

[@Sr68720]

No its not reactionary, most people didn't want Southgate in the first place.

[@QUSAI1996_]

Gotonhaaaaag stafa blooooog

[@tbout7]

JJ Bull: "I don't see him having a great first touch". I'd put money that he got that from Football Manager Edit: totally wrote this before he admitted to playing Football Manager on the winter World Cup comment.

[@ohb1kenobi859]

I think the Nunez signing suggests that Klopp is going to switch to a 4-2-3-1 as opposed to the 4-3-3 false 9 With Fabinho and Thiago as the 2, Diaz, Jota and Salah as the 3 and Nunez as the 1

[@croftoc]

This was my thought as well, not sure who the 10 would be

[@ohb1kenobi859]

@@croftoc I’d imagine Jota, potentially Elliott instead though

[@jorgeazagra1494]

No tchouameni?

[@paixetdamour25]

So tchouameni didnt change the Club? Classic englisch Media, hate Real Madrid would he choose Liverpool u would talk a whole Episode of that

[@gluestix17]

"djed Spence is technically skilled" not according to my fm save he isnt D:

[@bokbok5961]

Nothing… nothing!…NOTHING!

[@moloyknight]

People are talking about Nunez as if he is world class... Hell No. He just had a good season with Benfica that's it. Just because he signed for LiVARpool doesn't mean he would be great

[@amolmehrotra1296]

LiVARpool oh please grow up. This sort of nonsense belongs on twitter where your pessi and Ronaldo fans are waiting for this kinda brain dead rubbish

[@junioradult6219]

More goals then haaland in cl🤷‍♂️

[@darynhardwick8181]

I want all podcasts to end with "Okay I'm bored now and I'd like to end the podcast" from now on

[@zuh7843]

John The Mackdaddy Automitsms

[@slapstickninja]

I dream that Tifo steal Patrick Van Straaten from FD…match made in heaven

[@LukeDwornikComedy]

eeww absolutely not 🚫

[@ishsichsjfke9267]

He would immediately look very out of depth

[@outlet5501]

No

[@nettyswobb1]

He would have to do actual tactical analysis rather than relying on just stats, anyone from FD would struggle on Tifo let's be fair

[@reggiewatts1926]

What is FD?

[@kylesmoran]

The players want to leave because they're getting low-ball offers.

[@sususegar]

Defending Southgate just a day before England got trashed by Hungary hahaha

[@redfox7497]

1:17 speedrun brain fart?

[@thepolticalone961]

You replaced Alex with another Seb....

[@tommyknockers5492]

Alex looks different. Has he had a haircut?

[@5minutemovies977]

Goretzka became a huge man during the covid break... SARMs and steroids would not have done a better job...

[@osmanbinomar7132]

I miss Alex :(

[@carsena1318]

i hate the color of his tan headphones, great content tho i listened to all of it

[@bastianschrderlarsen6059]

I was starting to like John and then he went and said something silly. Mike Trout is the best player of his generation. He is not in the conversation for best player in MLB history.

[@rabbitweedowned]

What happened with alex ?

[@jonstewartsuperfan2988]

The fee for Nunez is big '' but it's offset by the sale of those players '''? What sales ?! They haven't actually sold anybody so it's offset by nothing

[@otto_jk]

18:07 "Sales they gonna make" listening comprehension...

[@otto_jk]

Gonna means going to, meaning that the thing happening will happen in the future, not in the current moment nor has it already happened.

[@jonstewartsuperfan2988]

@@otto_jk yet I havent heard a single pundit point out City are paying for Haaland with the 55 million they got for Ferran Torres

[@marko9463]

@@jonstewartsuperfan2988 Oh maybe because ferran torres does not compensate the 350k-400k wages of Haaland

[@blazo8700]

@@jonstewartsuperfan2988 they spent the torres money on alvarez mate lmao

[@clivepalmer3545]

Jon is excellent as are you all but……😀

[@Ryan-ys2bq]

Nunez actually has really poor pressing stats but can’t say I’ve seen enough of benfica to know if that’s the team

[@j.s3300]

He does?

[@dabisset7900]

Lol he doesn’t. U just made that up

[@eazyollie9370]

His pressing stats are extremely good for a striker of his type 🤔🤔

[@BigMujK]

Not true,FB ref shows his pressing stats are good

[@tombot97]

You never appreciate what Joe brings until he isn't there and JJ is incharge.

[@jawwadkhan6146]

England and Arsenal fan. The perfect blend of depression .

[@DanielS10291]

Is joe off having a colonoscopy?