Mane to Bayern, Bundesliga Tax, and The Pogmentary | The Tifo Football Podcast

[@marinusdejager41]

"I'm glad your gates are good" is an all timer

[@MrIknowyoudont]

I’ve started using it all the time to my german friends and colleagues. They hated me anyway.

[@kevgep]

Wish i knew a German to tell this to lol

[@Sam-cd9jz]

it's my favorite Devine-ism

[@Prypyatify]

intro 0:00 Sadio Mane 2:21 Raheem Sterling 5:16 Jeremy Toulalon 12:50 RB Leipzig transfers 15:22 Fabio Vieira 18:16 Vitinha 24:31 Marc Roker 31:40 Frenkie De Jong/Eric Ten Hag 37:20 Richard Arnold/club's relationship with their fans 44:25 Proportional representation 1:00:45 The pogmentary 1:02:59 Death of the author 1:13:19 End 1:16:25

[@lokeshyadav3113]

You are a legend.

[@alexcoyg3281]

🙏🙏🙏

[@danielwalker1673]

pogumentary*

[@GokuOverJesus]

Jeremie Toulalan * Marc Roca*

[@GokuOverJesus]

@@danielwalker1673 wrong.

[@troytigwell]

Joe throwing his disruption grenades with pure finesse this episode

[@SciFiPhiChiPsi]

Hall of famer performance from him

[@implicitdifferentiation]

The goat

[@ugobabyy]

Joe is the best 😂😂😂

[@jboothroyd6531]

Jon has slipped seamlessly into the pod starting lineup. Klopp-like signing

[@Nick-ht5yi]

I thought he would need time to adjust, but I've been proven wrong by his recent performances. Curious to see the underlying data, though

[@jonasroy]

I love how much of a tactic nerd he is. He mentions Roker and Joe is like ??? And tries to change the subject but Jon is so passionate he has to talk about him.

[@lukephillipsmedia]

Still think they should've gone for Ibrahim Sangaré

[@endtimezvids6893]

disagree

[@_booth7992]

was the same with jj. must just be a really welcoming work environment

[@samuelschonenberger]

The actual warm hands and cool embrace of Sadio Mane would be great

[@MjolnirMarks]

I love the Toulalon discussion. Highlight of my week.

[@yanadams]

As others have said, Callum Giles was the hockey player (so close Seb!), and it was his drag flick on short corners that he would get brought on specifically for - where he'd score, more often than not. It was considered a bit farcical that a player at international level could come on for seconds just to bang in a goal, so the rules of the game have since been changed so that players cannot be subbed on (rolling subs in hockey) at short corners.

[@homosapien5156]

Joe's inputs in this podcast are absolutely incredible. Especially about the pogmentary. Top notch work.

[@FPL_Frost]

I enjoy the underlying class divide overtones and instances of irrelevancy that this podcast provides.

[@SteveItOut]

I'm just glad Jon is there now to represent the proletariat😂

[@christianbrix4311]

Fellow Scandinavian here; I can confirm visually impaired, working class Seb's pronunciation of Ødegaard is 100% spot on.

[@lukephillipsmedia]

hahhahahahah visually impaired working class seb

[@pisswiskas]

20:57 when Joe said 'the thing with arsenal is' I thought he was going to follow it with 'they always try to walk it in'

[@MrVonFrom]

What was Wenger thinking; sending Walcott on that early!

[@FuerstMykisch]

:)

[@davidlean1060]

I do enjoy the fact that the TIFO team are journalists and writers first, entertainers 2nd. It makes the podcasts and channel content so much more enjoyable to watch.

[@mohammadsaqib713]

Maybe im one a few people that love the fact that Joe often goes off, gives it more of authentic feel to it, there are plwnty of football vod cast but this is unique that its so unpredictable, hilarious and insightful. john fits right in and seb just a legend. top work as always

[@adrano_]

40 seconds in and I’m already laughing. This podcast always brightens up my mood.

[@bullerfugl]

Joe actually picked up the Ødegaard pronounciation pretty quick. Something to note is the same pronounciation applies to vestergaard, Nørgaard etc.

[@sickboy6663]

I love Tifo. Everyone is so chill. Such a refreshing change from the standard fan channels. 👍

[@adamageli]

'Player coming to the end of his prime' is a bit of a short sell of Sadio - he was still exceptional last season and has loads to give. Sure given the fact he's in final year of contract but it's still an amazing deal.

[@samuelloification2749]

'Coming to the end of his prime' means he's still in his prime at the moment to be fair

[@9snaga]

Criminally under paid how can Ox earn more than him sitting on the bench. Shameful.

[@dermoooojj255]

Played well for a new deal that didn't arrive

[@andrew7taylor]

@@dermoooojj255 Well it did, just not at Liverpool.

[@MultiDan112]

I agree, and then called the Sterling figure a “bit cheap” - might be the first 2 things I’ve ever disagreed with Tifo on

[@jeffmalone9398]

At like the 20 min mark I thought for sure joe was going to say the problem with arsenal is they always try and walk it in

[@starkravingmad9336]

Did you see that Ludicrous display last night

[@Sam-cd9jz]

Jon has slotted in seamlessly with you guys, great pod!

[@tstwimo1944]

Seth's cackle at 20:57 tho

[@CharlieH-N]

Seb's german is getting worse, he said "you are well, you are well" when replying to Joe asking if he was well.

[@SweetAlchemist]

I like that you’ve given credit to the tweeter on the physicality thing,,,

[@TSTypeR]

I'm going to miss Alex in this mess.

[@owainjones56]

prolly just because theres no football on atm

[@TSTypeR]

@@owainjones56 he's not at Tifo anymore

[@Kakhsa]

The Pogmentary section at the end was pure comedy lol 😂

[@joshbrown2217]

Jeremy Toulalan was incredible for my Fiorentina side in fifa, him pining in balls for Salah and another pacy boy on the wing with Jovetic to clean up any aerial balls

[@ivankut]

1. The title 'Pogmentary' has been grinding my gears. Just call it 'Pogumentary' or 'Pogbamentary' and get the syllabification right like any normal human would 🤦‍♂️ 2. Ben & Jerry's Half Baked is great 👌

[@imsportschannel1]

As a norwegian i can tell you that Jon is nailing how he say Ødegaard!

[@pipbeale]

Seb is correct. As soon as I heard about 5 subs I thought of Callum Giles. You will see more and more specialist players.

[@alexcoyg3281]

I can see Mane scoring hat tricks in EPL at 35-36 years old, he has that Ronaldo quality to train and stay in shape forever, all he needs is service.

[@lucioledizerot196]

Joe's passionate defense of the Pogmentary was absolute gold. National treasure

[@irGuilty]

The host’s (new to this channel so don’t know his name, sorry) analysis of the Pog-U-mentary was wholesome!

[@Aanike09]

That joe devine and yes!

[@midniteauthor]

I think the Murtough section was covered well, even gave an understanding for why the fans might have planned the protest. Agreed with everything bar Jon’s assertion that the Anti-Glazer movement has only happened due to United not winning things anymore. This is a popular sentiment you see and it’s just not true. The Anti-Glazer protests have absolutely gotten more severe and vocal the past 8 years but the movement has been in place and popular during our largest period of success since they took over. I remember going to matches over 2009 to 2012 and there was seas of green and yellow LUHG scarves, banners and shirts. United fans have been Anti-Glazer since day one. It has just ramped up

[@CompletelyCr]

Tadej Pogačar, two time winner of the Tour de France is also nicknamed "Pog," that could also provide confusion, if it's just a generic sports title card.

[@McAndrews91]

The Norwegian player discussion, ‘’You sort of soften the D’’ **insert Michael Scott meme**😅

[@ph_grizz4391]

Great rabbit hole at the end. Jon you're crushing it

[@jameslancefield9810]

the whole episode i thought the pogmentary was going to be about pog's. Makes a lot of sense it being about Paul Pogba now i think about it. im still a little disappointed it wasn't about pog's. Edit - I hadn't got to the bit where he mentions pog's yet, lol.

[@sarahjessicafarter7383]

Not the first time, too. Joe loves reminiscing about Pogs.

[@TheKoobon]

this is first time I'm hearing about "Pogmentary" and when Joe mentioned it at the start of the podcast I was sure it's about the pugs; it sounds like something British people would be raving on on twitter, like Great British Bake Off, but with dogs

[@MrVonFrom]

I thought they had made a Walking With Dinosaurs style documentary about those critters from the Star Wars sequels on Luke’s hide and seek planet.

[@davidlean1060]

lol one of those SAS type reality shows where regular dogs see if they have what it takes to be blind dogs/sniffer dogs/truffle hunters etc!

[@james_havlin]

The hockey player was Calum Giles. Giles collected 143 caps and has scored 110 international goals. He was a short corner drag flick specialist who was known for being subbed on especially to flick at short corners. He was so prolific the rules of hockey were changed to prevent a player being subbed on specifically to flick at short corners. He did continue to play internationally after the rules changed and competed at the Atlanta & Sydney Olympics.

[@Tom-lr1if]

Always suspected the breaks on the podcast wasn't a real break, and I'm glad now to have definitive proof.

[@Tailor-DKS]

Let's talk about Mane to Bayern 15 seconds later: Raheem Sterling to Chelsea? Is this also Bundesliga Tax?

[@TheAquaSolution]

As an Arsenal fan I personally liked the Vieira pick up. These days, it seems as though Smith Rowe has moved further away from playing as a 10, to playing in that LW/left forward role and switches off with Martinelli. I think we need a clear backup, and someone who CAN play as both an 8 or a 10, to support Odegaard or be his backup. Additionally, when we came to the end of the season squad depth was obviously one of our big problems and it was apparent in our defense and midfield. With us now playing in Europe, we need to make signings that can grow into playing in the EPL, but also have Europe experience all of which Vieira brings to the table playing with Porto. I think he's a great signing, and Porto fans have rated him highly. I hope he merges well into the team!

[@NeoCherrn]

Jon McKenzie the McDaddy is completely correct in how he pronounced Martin Ødegaard's name.

[@ramshacklealex7772]

Seb looks happy and well-rested today (I guess technically yesterday). But it makes me happy to see either way :)

[@glennstartin8575]

I thought it was a documentary about the 90s Pogs craze. I know it's a football podcast but it's also not the craziest segue from Jo Devine

[@lawrencedoughty6231]

Seb trying to get back on track by whispering 'vitinhaaa' from Germany 😂

[@redfox7497]

God I love Jon's ramble...

[@gluestix17]

I know Fabio Viera, Newcastle signed him in my FM save 💀 I also signed Vitinha, 60mil well spent on an incredible passer of the ball

[@CezrDaPleazr]

Just finished listening to the audio version, had to come and like and comment

[@ittishim9136]

its ROCA not Roker by the way...he showed potential when he played at bayern but didnt get enough time on the pitch to really become an asset. he could be very good for leeds

[@reginaldh2079]

Schlager is a beast. Took the long way to get from Salzburg to Leipzig

[@museworksaudio7006]

joe coming with some STRONG Stewart Lee energy when describing the pogmentary

[@mattbailey8479]

Jon’s “half-baked beans” call back in the stock market section absolutely sent me

[@shubhamsinghstar123]

Another great podcast episode! Especially enjoyed Jon’s segment on physicality in the Premier League and whether Roca would rehabilitate his career with Leeds or not. Really interesting stuff

[@henryadamscoach]

Who the f is Steven

[@shubhamsinghstar123]

@@henryadamscoach I thought his full name was steven jon mackenzie? Might be mistaken tho🤔 (nvm, I actually was, ffs😭)

[@zephyrsamurai2775]

Was looking forward to the discussion about Fabio Vieira, but as always Joe had to cut it short for a random tangent 🤦‍♂️ . Get a grip mate

[@dertyp6767]

Everyone: Lewandowski, Mane, Sterling, de Jong,… Tifo: What about Jeremy Toulalon?

[@9snaga]

Mane was criminally underpaid, I can't speak to the sentiment Liverpool fans had for the man but seemed under appreciated too. Chamberlain earning more than him sitting on the bench is disgraceful given what he did for them. Elite player, the usual bias.

[@syc2543]

10 players earned more than him at LFC. The board can't justify 7 of the 10. He was part of their big 3: him, Salah, VVD. Only those 2 could justify earning a bit more than him.

[@TexasGentleman_]

Underpaid? Yes. Underappreciated? I don’t think so. He was always held in high regard. Salah was always portrayed as the face of the club in the media, but Bobby and Sadio were always crucial and the supporters new that.

[@LegendNinja41]

facts that's why i as a liverpool fan say, Mane get your money!! especially since a good part of it goes to good causes, that's better than the money staying with greedy owners.

[@jawwadkhan6146]

@@TexasGentleman_ nah g Mane had just as good of a season this as salah this year just cuz he’s less flashy he doesn’t get as much credit.

[@PaulHolmesy]

Looking forward to the animated video on Callum Giles career 🏑

[@lukemiller_6]

Hockey player is Calum Giles, also he's from Portsmouth 👍

[@michaelconroy5668]

The cut on that second break is seamless, Joe's head is in the exact same position.

[@maxcarlsson8334]

Joe Devine must be the best and worst boss to have

[@LongLivesteph]

If the American Michael Scott was smart

[@patientswim6888]

I can't believe Bissouma wasnt mentioned!

[@BalaKrishnan-fy1pf]

Is sensible transfers coming back???

[@chrisdanish84]

In two weeks time.

[@matthewmcneany]

Joe Devine is reading the wikipedia entry for a retired player of a sport that isn't the subject of the podcast.

[@caracasaltavista]

Great podcast!!!

[@harryharbage1492]

As a hockey playing football lover, I really enjoyed off piste chat about Hockey. The player Seb was talking about I believe was Ashley Jackson

[@AeolianMusica]

Ashley was a super player - but Seb was referring to Calum Giles, whose drag flick was lethal. You used to be allowed to bring on players just for short corners…and Giles almost exclusively did this, scoring 110 times in 140 caps!

[@SkullSnax]

I think eventually 5 subs will come in as a way to ease the increase in games per year teams are being asked to play with more European games, more European competitions, more international tournaments, as well as 40-50+ games a season domestically between the league and 2 cups. Teams from about 8th down are currently against it because they see it as only benefiting the top clubs who can afford more squad depth, but don’t see how it will help them compete better on more fronts.

[@juiceboxleal6254]

I think the 5 subs is good but it’s a bit overstated. It’s not gonna change all that much and alot of teams won’t even utilize it every game

[@darkforest4891]

Was frozen orange juice a Trading Places reference?

[@nicherjberger9008]

Ahh Jeremy Toulalan. Brings back Lyon 08 memories

[@MrRobin1997]

53:22 "it does feel a little bit that united fans hate the owners cause they're not winning" united on the back of three peating the league and getting to 2 champions league finalsl (winning one of them) and still protested against the glazers Very ignorant comment there from the new guy, altho he mentioned being a leeds fan so i guess it's not a surprise

[@WOOOPdoctorFROGhere]

I'm a United fan and I have to agree with him. Most of these united fans have no idea what they're moaning about but they know that when United are losing then it's all the Glazers fault. Most of them still think United haven't spent enough money, even though they clearly have.

[@MrRobin1997]

@@WOOOPdoctorFROGhere of course it's all the glazers fault. who employed woodward? who's letting the stadium deteriorate? who's taking dividends every year out of the club? who initiated the super league being one of the "founding members"? answer to all of that is the Glazers. If you really are a united fan i suggest you eduacate yourself about the club and why this is so important to the fans

[@barrapatterson8378]

29:01 Ashley Jackson is the hockey player

[@duncanwalter3613]

I think the hockey player Seb was thinking of was Calum Giles

[@hb3393]

Post production lads, please please learn how to set the hold & release time on the gate properly..! Listening to this on decent headphones is pretty exhausting

[@gentleken7864]

Calum Giles is the hockey player Seb is thinking of.

[@jakobjohansen3161]

In your talk about Laimer, you mention in passing that he wouldnt fit into Man Utd. How come? The Athletic Mentions him in their article series.

[@mattegan3439]

The prefix 'Pog' really works - totally in-line with his brand. Easily used in discussions regarding football, as in, "That player is utter Pogshit" or "His workrate was "Pogshit", or "What an absolute Pogshit hair cut that is... who the F does he think he is? Paul Pogba?" So on, and so on.

[@davidlean1060]

Despite Pogba being more concerned with his 'brand' than his football, I don't think his brand amounts to diddly squat! Ronaldo was only able to cultivate the CR7 thing because he was so good and scored so many goals. Pogba's brand has very little to sell, if you follow me. All he amounts to lately is some silly hair cuts and a bad attitude!

[@MjolnirMarks]

An advert for Pogba. Ok, I’ll buy one.

[@dadedraak]

I liked the Toulalan story 😂

[@Matt-ur3dm]

Dan James from Man u to leeds wouldn't have happened ten years ago due to the rivalry? Leeds sold Smith and Ferdinand to Man U so im not sure about that theory

[@jimboslice4468]

If he’s working class seb then I must be one of 1920s shoe shine boys

[@hectorcope2646]

Imagine being a professional football writer and having Joe as your boss 😂. Feel bad for these man

[@bzoa430]

Jeremy Toulalon!

[@saure22]

Crazy how Seb can be in 2 places simultaneously. Edit: They made the joke before me, damn.

[@The_Dead_Zone]

Porto fans are mad Arsenal signed this kid for a very low fee because Arsenal paid his release clause..In Portugal he is highly rated and has a massive ceiling, Fabio is very creative and Jon was right reminds me of Ozil in his younger days..He'll be squad depth which we need.👍

[@timdurgan]

6:37 Didn't Sterling play professionally for QPR?

[@TheOldRussianMan]

@Joe it's bowden as in bow and arrow

[@DanieloLobo]

Seems the Pod might do well to at least watch the big 3 teams in Portugal next season.

[@jimjimson9]

Really rate joe devines insight and is always nice when he stops joking for a second to balance out the analytical cynicism of the rest of the team xx

[@jimjimson9]

Having said that do keep making jokes lol

[@rory4605]

If this podcast doesn't serve as a catalyst to creating a Jeremy Toulalon fan club, I don't really mind.

[@jaydale5398]

Yeah Dan James to Leeds "definitely" wouldn't of happened 10 years ago, can't think of any Leeds-Utd transfers before James 🤔🤔🤔🤔

[@personx8580]

Rio Ferdinand? Eric Cantona?

[@ianofliverpool7701]

Mane is still very much in his prime and far from past it.

[@shoppingforleaves3162]

Odegaard's as well-rounded as a pyramid and his 2 attempts to "help out defensively" have both resulted in opposition penalties.

[@jacksonhoward7670]

Shout out to Calum Giles and his weaponised drag flick

[@boombox8118]

Seb was thinking of Calum Giles i think

[@tomasvil]

What is this running gag about them "taking a break" for like 2 seconds?

[@danny_rose-peters]

Other brands of ice cream are available😄

[@mundea]

"I don't know what I'm doing" ~ Joe Devine 2022

[@scottfarrell1906]

Regarding Glazer's aren't afraid of anything? Fans by protests can affect the people who play and work for the club. Meaning no one would want to take the jobs. It might be bad for the club but at least if it was going to be brought low it should be by the fans.

[@cez04]

Do they actually take breaks or is it just amazing editing 😂😂😂

[@DwaynePipe089]

this hurts my brain every episode hahah i still don’t know the answer

[@johnharrison8648]

I would like a podcast where joe just learns stuff