Tig Brazing vs Tig Welding

[@Bootlgr4]

Why would you dislike this video? As a certified Tig welder, I can attest that everything he said was correct and to the point. He lays down a nice bead and answers the important question of why braze rather than weld. Nicely done

[@Aj0nJon]

Dude, RESPECT for additional conversion to metric system, this just stole my heart :D

[@MartinGallego]

I just wanted to let you know that I learned how to weld through your videos a long time ago, and you never stopped teaching me new things ever since.

[@choosetherightify]

The same is true for me.

[@randykudijaroff482]

Same!

[@KoonceLyfe]

Same here!

[@robertvizena4401]

Also the same for me. I actually got to meet him briefly at fabtech 2018 it was like seeing your favorite celebrity but better.

[@tigerseye73]

Jody, thanks for all the educational welding video's you do. You have helped thousands of new and even experienced welders learn the tricks and methods required to be a good welder. I can't overstate how much I appreciate your channel.

[@chrisyanda8884]

I really enjoy these non standard application/process videos, no one else is making this kind of content! Awesome video!

[@craigrmeyer]

Two years after I first watched this video, and I still appreciate it very much. That TIG-brazing, with the silicon bronze, is just an awesome trick and I just don't understand why we don't see it on custom bicycles or motorcycles, for example. TIG welding is a very high skill, while gas brazing takes forever and needs a bunch of clean up (and can also cook your face off or burn your garage to the ground).

[@boots7859]

If you can TIG, why would you pick a much less strong welding solution like brazing. Unless there is a key reason that brazing offers with some additional work required, its just less strong and cheaper/labor.

[@craigrmeyer]

@@boots7859 I can't TIG weld. TIG brazing appears to be much easier than TIG welding, because I'm not melting the steel being joined. So I imagine it's easier to learn how to do, than proper TIG welding. I took a short TIG welding class once and holy moly man I sucked at it! Super discouraging. Plus, TIG brazing is also more attractive than flame brazing because there's no flux, and thus much easier cleanup.

[@eXTreemator]

you'll definitely see you brake it and pay to repair it. most don't know even what repair to look for. and just as well customers are dumb, they wouldn't understand that brazed frame is better than welded.

[@craigrmeyer]

@@eXTreemator Are you telling me you have experience with TIG-brazing and its durability? Or are you speaking to TIG-welding versus conventional flame-torch brazing?

Thanks for sharing! I have been welding for the last 40 years, and I learn something new every new video. Love your videos and appreciate your knowledge.

[@Mayamax3]

I'm sure glad the braze on that bike tubing held up. I didn't want to see Jody picking himself off the floor in the outtakes. Great info.

[@tomherd4179]

I had the same thought, by back starting hurting when I say that :-O

[@micahhill4786]

Silver brazing is stronger than welding it determines the material you using

[@MetaJamm]

@@micahhill4786 welding definitely stronger than any brazing, its actualy mix 2 pieces in one in welding puddle, and also you can add more material if you need.

[@phillhuddleston9445]

When I first saw the bike frame that was brazed I thought that was a real weak frame that shouldn't be trusted. Then I saw that the tubing bent before the brazing broke, not the first time I was proven wrong. Good video, this demonstrates just how versatile a TIG can be.

[@southjerseysound7340]

The crazy part is in some things like that bike frame it makes a stronger joint than a weld.

[@eXTreemator]

just demonstrates why customers are dumb and choose non optimal manufacturing techniques and buy what they 'think' is good and cheap.

[@eXTreemator]

​@@southjerseysound7340it's not only stronger it's way more durable especially for aluminum

[@jryer1]

I didn't realize the bronze filler allows so many different types of alloys to welded together. Thanks Jody, awesome stuff!!

[@Abom79]

Good video Jody. I've only recently in the past couple years been using this type of brazing here and there. I'm enjoying the tips and tricks!

[@weldingtipsandtricks]

Thanks Adam. You make some great videos

[@lltrailers]

weldingtipsandtricks I just bought a precision Tig 225..can you do a video with that welder

[@ifoldaa0078]

weldingtipsandtricks Could you please do a video on how to TIG FILLET weld some 2mm thick stainless steel plates?

[@sylviovidotto5632]

L&L FABRICATION

[@zinklock8985]

no filler rod just sweat it.

[@legilnnine]

I've been tig welding for a long time and had never heard of tig brazing until I watched this video a few weeks ago. So I bought some silicon bronze rods for the repair shop and found they were great for fixing cracks in fuel and hydraulic lines. I'm looking for other uses. Thanks for the great info.

[@man-bj7nh]

I absolutely love to watch Jody weld! Not only is he a gifted welder, he does a phenomenal job conveying his knowledge in a easy to understand vocabulary

[@henrent]

Thanks for the tip of keeping the filler rod tip in the sheilding gas. My light bulb came on as soon as you said it.

[@jdbrewer6638]

Thanks for making a Monday not so horrible!! It was definitely a treat listening to the podcast on the way home then getting to watch your video explaining some of what was talked about. Very cool! The podcast episode was one of my favorites! Mike Z was great, thanks for interviewing him, I learned a lot!

[@weldingtipsandtricks]

Thanks JD. We are gonna have you on just as soon as we have a slot.

[@Southeastern_Virginia]

weldingtipsandtricks love your videos thanks for the help

[@randyrapp8446]

JD Brewer

[@moorem99]

Great video. I've taught metalwork and engineering for many years and that was a really good lesson. Just goes to show that one is never too old to learn. I've never tried TIG brazing but it looks like a good technique for the right kind of joint. Thanks very much.

[@kotboyarkin5032]

Wow! This is a really good video and I liked that you not just showed the welding process but also did the test on bicycle "frame".

[@literoadie3502]

That bike tubing joint was impressive! As a cyclist it really gives me a lovely feeling to see just how strong a bike frame can be, and on a bike you have many joints working together.

[@GenerationAI2024]

Aluminum bronze is a damn beautiful welding metal. Thanks for sharing.

[@dirtdog249]

never watched any of your videos before but I'm impressed... no baloney, straight to the point...

[@Slazlo-Brovnik]

wow... I was impressed as the tube bent but the brazing still holds. Would never have guessed that.

[@micahhill4786]

Silver brazing is stronger in welding it determines the material you are brazing.

[@fastbike9845]

Another great no-nonsense helpful tutorial, explaining why as well as how. Perfect.

[@PraviSlobodan]

Really great videos. From ideas, explanations, examples, testing to even editing - everything is fantastic. Big Thank You!

[@jonnyrox116]

This guy is spot on with his concise explanations and examples...must see more! Thanx

[@moonte7933]

from what i can understand brazing seems to show advantages regarding the heat affected area and the conservation of the proprieties of the base metal...great video as always...i don.t even weld but i find entertainment and great knoledge in your work.

[@anthonymiller6234]

Brilliant Video. I'm planning on building bike from scratch so learning as much as I can about different welding techniques. I'm loving your tips and tricks. Thanks

[@perfectox]

The best welding channel. Period. Thank you for sharing your know how with the world!!!

[@benjaminhoward9801]

I lost it at 9:27, I thought you would leave it but you had to push it. I wasn't expecting that though. Awesome video, Thank you Sir.

[@RiddSann]

I'm 19, not into welding much, but damn, you know how to make a video interesting because I watched from end to finish !

[@filthyanimal1067]

I used to be a 6gr Lloyds coded welder using mig,stick and Tig,the Tig mainly for stainless. That's some lovely welds and brazing you are putting in there buddy. Great work 👍🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

[@MrScienceMaths]

Excellent video, fillet-weld brazing using AC or DC using Aluminium-Bronze or Silicon-Bronze nicely explained, demonstrated and even performed strength test experiment, all while also welding bicycle frame. Love you, take care!

[@kevhartin]

I raced Superkarts for many years and back in the 80's most chassis were out of the UK, where they were all brazed rather than MIG/TIG'd. Apparently the brazing was better for vibration resistance, particularly on 250cc single cylinder Superkarts which had some fairly strange vibrations resulting in non-Brazed chassis often failing on the edge of the fillet. Nowadays, everything seems to be MIG/TIG'd and such failures seem few an far between.

[@northerniltree]

Excellent view of the weld puddle as you progress. Nice to see your articulation of the torch and rod as you work the puddle. Really cool how the ac current cleans the field ahead of the puddle. Very informative comparisons. Just don't hurt yourself hanging on bike tube framing like that!

[@MasterHustler]

Jodi is the best. I watch him first over the other weldors on here.

[@OnerousEthic]

Would you agree that silicon-bronze tig is superior to steel tig for bicycles because the strength is adequate to the application, and it is easier to work with?

[@infectedgoose]

Wow, another great video. I'd read the numbers on PSI , but this video definitely cleared up a lot. Thanks so much!

[@brad_nailer]

I'm not a welder by any sense of the word and I found this very informative. Great video.

Great channel thanks a lot. I believe the reliability of the weld not only depends of the static load, such the weights that you're applying to them. A good fatigue tests or a CTOD, would demonstrate how reliable was the weld in a more accurate manner. However, not worth it for simple applications like the video demonstrations which were great.

[@mattpolitzer2920]

Thanks Jody. I'll give it a try on my next cast iron repair.

[@gregparrott]

Very impressive testimony to the strength of brazing - cantilevering his entire body weight on to the brazed tube.

[@sammieadams4956]

So glad I found this channel! Clear and thorough instructions.

[@turbocobra]

I have been doing some tig brazing lately with silicon bronze, kind of frustrating how the puddle swells quickly and easily rises into the tungsten if your running too close. Thanks for the video Jody!

[@tomherd4179]

Me to! Maybe Jody will address that some time, or is it Practice, Practice, Practice.....

[@AlexRodriguez-bb5bu]

I really want to give this a try with my powertig welder but it sounds like it might be a bit harder than jody makes it look!

[@stevehopper6068]

Thank you. Would have appreciated more talk about the amp settings.

[@굿울산마이스터배관용]

Wow, this is the welding skill I want to see in person!

[@jareddahlseid551]

Joining dissimilar materials, an artists dream! Thanks for the thorough tutorial and inspiration!!

[@travissmith7471]

Thanks a lot for the demonstrations... It helped me understand welding a little bit better...

[@michaelmcilrath3420]

Great video! Well presented, well photographed, no BS, to the point... Very much appreciated. Thank you!

[@MrTimodon]

Good work sir! I been a welder for 45 years now too! I have small shop and there i weld compactors! Drivers can smach them very badly! :)

[@donaldasayers]

I have never bronze welded with Tig but with gas I could make joints that would rip a thin walled tube apart before the joint failed. In the 60s and 70s Lotus and others put racing cars together this way.

[@joehanna501]

Donald Sayers Ariel still does

[@leonardpearlman4017]

@@tomthompson7400 I just tried brazing some electrical tubing, and when I broke it it pulled a chunk out of the EMT. I was impressed!

[@javidakbar74]

Super job. I was looking into what the pros and cons of this would be . Thanks for the info.

[@Dr_Xyzt]

The neat thing about brazing is for joints in shear or tension, like a wedge brazed to some square tube that you don't want to shrink, or a triangular lug on some .020" sheet without spot welding.

[@Catchcheese]

My understanding is that brazing is your backup, in an event where you cant heat it enough or your using 2 separate metals that won’t weld you can almost always braze them if you get the right stuff

[@정진철-f7j]

your teaching is accurate, precise and easy to understand. thank you!

[@wot48320]

Great video! Can you do a video on welding thin wall stainless steel/titanium tubing (20 gauge) for motorcycle exhaust headers.

[@SwapSupra]

would be nice to see yea! i dont know wich material my crf450 exaust is made of.. we tried to weld it 2 times but it never held up long :(

[@bff1316]

Have your gas flowing inside the pipes before, during and after welding. A beautiful welding bead inside and out. Apply an acid bath. Many years ago used to weld stainless in a laboratory. But a video would be nice.

[@nailedit.]

Thank you for the destruction tests and the comparison.

[@RapidInstincts]

This is exactly what i want to do. I'm 18 and have recently;y taken up a fascination with motorcycles. I just finished my Oxy-Acetylene class a few months back and had a lot of fun with it. I am signed up for Arc and Tig next month. I want to fabricate motorcycles, and just about anything.

[@northerniltree]

My girlfriend had some silicone implants put in, and when I got too excited about it she said I had some real brass cajones. Your video reminded me of that day. Thanks!

[@danielkrall6501]

It looks really cool. Interesting to use for metal sculptures, furniture, and other art projects

[@v8berenguer372]

I just want to say thanks for sharing your know-how.I have become a mutch better welder, since i have found your channel.Its great to learn from somebody that also loves welding.

[@lisakingscott7729]

Great video! You manage to capture everything amazingly well including some background without much saturation. What camera and settings do you use to do this? I never see my welds as well as that in real life through the visor. I've tried so many visors and visor settings and either the weld is too bright but I can see the background or vice versa. I've lost count of the number of times I've done a great weld, only to find I've gone in a completely different direction than along the joint! Much easier on angle joints when there's something to physically follow though. I am a professional electronic engineer and these days most inspection and rework needs to be done with a microscope, so I use a camera and big screen. I've wondered about doing the same for welding with an HDR camera, as I'm so used to it for microelectronics.

[@TheAnigai]

Jody this is probably one of your best videos to date in my opinion, excellant work there. 1 query though, when it comes to bicycle frames brazing is perfectly fine but how about a motorcycle frame where vibrations and metal fatigue are much more prominant?

[@letsdothis1677]

Some of the best welding and advice I've seen and herd.Keep up the great job.

[@bigjimar77]

I've going to try to repair a Bridgeport mill handle that was broken. Looks to be cast. Do some chamfering and try out the silicon bronze rig braze.

[@ghraffydd5275]

I tig braze, but with thin wire and have a job stuffing it in fast enough. I tried some 2.4 rods and thought they were just to thick, I couldn't get enough heat in to them to melt them and not melt the parent metal. I would like to see a poolside vid of the frame tube braze to see how it's done.

[@TimBox]

I used silicon bronze on copper fittings (42mm to 8mm side stub) using tig and its great. However on smaller tubing (4mm) I find it embrittles it. I was finding it crack to often so use silver solder instead (Oxy/Propane)

[@chriscapozzi7521]

Tim Box why were you using that process if you don't mind me asking.

[@TimBox]

Chris Capozzi I make heat exchangers as part of a product I manufacture. Its made if 42mm copper pipe with end feed cap ends The cap ends are copper to copper welded with tig. There are 2 pipes 8mm that provide the cooling inlet/outlet and while I can braze them with Oxy Propane its slow to heat the whole lot up so I fillet weld them using the silicon bronze using tig. Neat welds and quick. I have 4mm pipe entries as well, I used to braze them with SB and Oxy Prop while still hot following the copper copper welding. But SB is hard and makes the joints brittle, not good on 4mm tube. This lead to cracks so not those joints are silver soldered. I like SB as its cheaper than Silver Solder.

[@chriscapozzi7521]

Tim Box yes. I know exactly what you are doing. I am a Steam fitter/welder myself. I have seen that done. I have seen it on air handler coils as well. Just curious in your application as I have have seen copper joined as such in situations where an oxy/accet flame may not be the best choice.

[@TimBox]

Chris Capozzi The main reason is speed in my case for the 8 - 42 connection. I also braze 1/4" over 4mm to enlarge the pipe for fittings. I prefer silver solder there but it sucks up loads and then have to wait for the flux to dissolve in water before use. I flip between PB and Silver Sol as the PB is tricky to keep of the outer tube and makes a discoloured finish.

[@gmaestro79]

0.088", not 0.88" ;)

[@lyntonr6188]

another use is welding a spot of silicon bronze on the end of set screws that need to be moved often ( like a lathe tailstock) ,stops burrs and damage to the shaft . pretty handy stuff to have in the workshop

[@brainisfullofnonsense8183]

At 5:22 there is a typo on the diagram of the fillet weld geometry and the audio that is referencing the diagram. The shown value of 0.88 should be 0.088. It just caught my eye when it was showing the leg of a right triangle to be seven times longer than the hypot. I've really been enjoying your videos. Count me as one more subscriber.

[@DragonsREpic]

Just seeing a good weld feels incredibly satisfying Love your vids.

[@barry7608]

Thanks pretty as a picture welds, I’m an industrial radiographer and auditor so been around and I’ll bet you’d get “A” ‘s for your welds. I’m also a home stick and oxy welder self taught and very jealous of your skill but it gives me something to aim, for very informative

[@blinko656]

Some people were just born to be good welders and some poor. Im the latter :) Excellent presentation.. My guys who have taught me were average welders. Im a retired Firemen with a very,very bad back. It takes back to hold a steady hand. After a few weld and grinding they look OK. MIke Calif

[@walkerv8530]

I could not tell you how many coolant and hydraulic tubes I have patched up with some brazing rod and a torch on heavy trucks and equipment. far as I know I haven't had any repeat leaks from repaired areas

[@jamescaldwell5]

You say that the Silicon Bronze allows you to braze different alloys of steal together, but did you also say that you could braze Steel to Aluminum with Silicon Bronze? if so, Id love to see a demo of an aluminum tube brazed to a steel tube.

[@charlieross-BRM]

Great quality and clearly said and shown information. I'm not personally a welder except for some metal sculpture welding and brazing way back and I learned a lot. Can you point me to any demonstrations of the best results anyone can expect from using a handheld gas torch like the one on the wall behind you? Thanks.

[@superdave2112]

Super informative! So if a guy was to tig braze a chunk of cast iron from a wood stove, would he have better luck? Great video, thank you!

[@ahmadseblini5184]

Excellent information but now I am confused as Ariel Atom car structure uses tig welding with Silicon Bronze Rod so what is your point of view, why they are using such rods?

[@stevejames2142]

Interesting test here Jody, glad you take the time to make these vids so we can all learn a thing or two... Thanks 👊🏼

[@cschnitker8865]

An excellent presentation. I'm putting this one in my reference file as a go to.

[@orangemotorsllc5618]

In the old days auto manufacturers used braze at the end / corner joints near windows to prevent cracking etc. What type of brazing would you recommend especially on thin sheet metal in those areas. Looks to me like tig would be good to control excess heat to avoid warping thin sheet metal areas in auto restoration as apposed to torch welding.

[@davesstuff1599]

You are a true artist, beautiful welds, very appealing.

[@c.nielsen4178]

Precise, well organized and informative. A+, go to the head of the class! Thanks for sharing.

[@Team-fabulous]

It's been 20 years since I lifted a TIG torch and this was really interesting...

[@breinbjerg22]

Hey Jody I am a Stainless steel sheet metal worker, from Denmark, we you a welding technique that we call ArgonArk or tandem Tig welding, where you are to guys both with at TIG Torche and weld from both sides, at the same, one with filler rod and one with out. how it works is, that the guy on the bagside is shields and pulls the rod through the material, to make weld that will pass the x-ray, is that a method, that is used in the USA, i have no idea, have never seen a welding video with it. Thanks Søren Breinbjerg

[@FredBeltran-o3d]

Very informative. I've taken a Bicycle frame building course at UBI waaaayy back in 1995 for tig. Since then I have designed and built 10 bike frames. I have always love the look of a fillet brazed frame but absolutely hate using an oxy/acetylene torch. Seeing your video got me wondering if you could use this process to fillet braze a frame? For example how would this structure react to the constant road and trail vibrations. I saw the results of an impact, which is vert promising. Will filing and sanding the fillet smooth as is done in regular fillet brazing weaken the joint?

[@duanesutch6565]

Very interesting and informative. I notice your tungsten sticks out quite a way! I'm relatively new to tig (stick and mig for years) but i have been instructed to have the tungsten out twice the width of the tungsten itself. I struggle to see it, have considered a clear cup! But i dip the tungsten tip into the weld regularly and feel like giving up as i must just be no good! Any help or advise from a proper expert as yourself would be greatly appreciated. Many thanks, Duane Sutch UK.

[@countryrecon8186]

I've made a lot of my peers aware of you at Tulsa and you are our hero lol

[@ifoldaa0078]

Could you please do a video on how to tig fillet weld a 2mm thick stainless steel plate?

[@genghisman39]

Frayed jeans in a welding shop?! Brings a new meaning to hot pants. Another great video, Jody.

[@jsun879]

You can also use silicon bronze to weld galvanized steel DC Straight or AC works great

[@ProaSailor]

Looks like brazing might work for steel boat hulls with thin gauge sheet, to avoid warping seen when welding sheets thinner than 0.10".

[@douglasjay7787]

I'm having a huge issue with 5g pipe welding. I'm long arcing my 3/32 rods and trying to get the rod hot before I bring in a tight arc and start my puddle. it's not working. I turned up the heat to about 95 and the arc even at 1/8" is still sporadic and just tossing filler everywhere. It starts to weld just fine at 4:30 going to the vert position and 6:30 going to the vert position. so from 4:30 to 6:30 my weld is garbage.

[@donaldlocker7394]

At 02:49, the section/etch indicates that there is melting of the base metal. Is TIG too hot for brazing in this setup?

[@gordjohnson70]

Great video. An old welder I knew was very good. He was old school, but he swore by silver solder. Is that still in use today ? How does it compare to what you are doing ?

[@gordonschmidt595]

I have a question, that was a great video btw. You decided the Aluminum Bronze on AC was stronger that Silicon Bronze, did you choose the weaker one for the bike tubes for test purpose? "If the weakest one can do it, we know tbey all can" so if you were going to tig braze a bike frame would you go to the stronger Aluminum Bronze?

[@johnc4352]

I waited out that whole video to see you bang out some curls with those 50s!

[@weldingtipsandtricks]

that would require a warmup...but I might be able to bang out a few.

[@NOBOX7]

Im not cool enough to get it , dam it sucks being a noob, im like 40 bro , ditched carpentry for the big bucks in custom fab , only problem im a 5 year old at welding

[@silverssonyoutube8438]

Do you use AC or DC to tig braze ?

[@jray7656]

Hey Jodi can you do a video on welding thick stainless to thin stainless steel? thanks in advance.

[@Flightstar]

I'm wondering if brazing would be the way to go when joining small diameter 4130 tubing. When testing weld strength on 4130 by welding only on side of the tube, The joint consistently breaks with great ease just above the weld in the HEZ. The only reason I see that a tubing cluster seems strong, is that it is welded all the way around,there is no direction of movement to fatigue the weak area above the welds. I'm thinking that brazing would do little to compromise the overall strength of the joint and in fact may make it better method overall, with a reduced heat effected zone as well as perhaps less chromium oxide, or the "brown sugar" effect inside the tubes. I like to see that coped tube test done again, but with a normal size fillet. It's probably not necessary to use oversized fillets on tubing, as they are circular thus blend the stresses evenly. Talking non use of brazing for "structural" I thought brazing was used in down hill bicycle racing bikes. This is a sport where if the frame come apart, the rider could be seriously injured or killed.

[@kurtludwig4783]

I’m starting a project soon of building some aluminum fenders after forming them. The aluminum I’m using is .063 3003 sheet. I’m learning how to TIG weld and will tack sheets together. The TIG brazing could be used in between 3-4” tacks to help warping?

[@charliedevine6869]

It is good to know as many methods of joining metal as possible.

[@tulipanimarc6203]

Hi love your expert welding skills... Every welder knows : the fondamental difference between brazing and welding is : for brazing : you only make the apport steel on fusion, without the base steel's and welding : you make the base and the apport steels on fusion. Result : the welding is more stronger, that's all ! ;)

[@Huskyresqr]

HI Jody....always learn something from your videos. Two questions. What were the settings for your 1/8" welds? And WHERE did you get that Ford wrench???