TIKTOK CHALLENGES BAN

TikTok and its parent company ByteDance challenged the U.S. government in a legal filing Tuesday over a new law forcing the sale or ban of the social media giant, igniting a high-stakes court battle in Washington that could prove to be an existential fight for one of the world’s most popular apps.
In its 67-page petition for review of the law’s constitutionality, filed against Attorney General Merrick Garland, TikTok and ByteDance argue that the law would give the government unprecedented power to control or dismantle a speech platform it dislikes.
“Banning TikTok is so obviously unconstitutional, in fact, that even the Act’s sponsors recognized that reality, and therefore have tried mightily to depict the law not as a ban at all, but merely a regulation of TikTok’s ownership,” the challenge states. “In reality, there is no choice,” it adds. A forced sale “is simply not possible: not commercially, not technologically, not legally.”

[@magenlin]

Im glad he included the bulletin board. He expensed it

[@Cheepchipsable]

I wonder what Boardy thinks of this...

[@bmo14lax]

I hope it keeps going 😂

[@SaniFakhouri]

This bulletin board is getting such value at this point!

[@Justin22139]

I wasn’t aware of that. He should mention it once in a while to keep up appearances.

[@zimzimph]

If he includes those cards more he can also expense Codenames (a card game) lol

[@the_sleepines_monster]

TikTok is the forever “To ban or not to ban” . They don’t seem to care about any other platform 😅

[@DemonicsInc]

Because the other platforms are paying them

[@DeadlyEnzyme]

That’s because no one gave a shit the last time this was done with a Chinese owned metadata collector. Cause it was Grindr

[@Wolfboy607]

@@DemonicsInc Well, that's not right... Tiktok is paying them, too. lol

[@DemonicsInc]

@Wolfboy607 I mean some of em probably but there's a damn good reason they're ignoring all of the other apps that do the exact thing they claim tiktok does and refuses to touch them

[@puppetman2597]

@@Wolfboy607 tiktok doesnt pay that well compared to youtube, unless your huge like Charlie D'Amelio

[@benjaminlehman3221]

Frankly I find it hilarious Fix healthcare? No Build homes for the needy? Nope Ban tik tok? DONE

[@TessHKM]

The bike shed principle

[@rojastegulu]

They don't need to build any homes, the houses/apartments already exist and are being held by landlords or corporations for renting or sitting empty for speculation

[@crumblelord1302]

That's because all those issues you mentioned are partisan issues. However, banning tiktok is a national security issue, which is one of the few things everyone gets along with in Congress.

[@pauliesnug]

@@crumblelord1302 crazy that basic human rights are a partisan issue meanwhile we are debating over an app because old guy decided he didnt like what it was saying

[@I-should-have-let-Trotsky-stay]

​@@pauliesnugyeah well people are crazy sorry that's news to you 😂

[@noahjohnson935]

the fact they're motivated by news they don't like should really be the end of debate here.

[@Amnct]

Very true. You could make a case that it's a free press violation, especially after Romney admitted it.

[@rene280195]

This is a terrible point tho.

[@SimonFallheart]

news should be objective.

[@rolandfischer931]

I'm a regular 30 year old guy and tiktok is a rot on our civilization. Weaponized or not, tiktok benefits the owners not the users. This bill would t really fix that tho

[@Im_Tessa]

​@@SimonFallheartobjectivity in politics is a question of what side your on and cant be done, news would be incredibly slow as new proof for things can come years after meaning nothing can be reported on untill its fully done, and even after that shit can be added

[@acr04muerto]

Fun fact: I'm from Costa Rica. Our minister of state accused the owner of a newspapers of tax evasion. The police investigated the newspapers owner but didn't find anything. All his money was accounted for. The police asked to our minister to surrender the evidence he got to accuse him in the first place. Our minister said that he can't, because he saw the information on a Tik Tok video that later was deleted....

[@viridia1526]

But that’s his fault not TikTok’s, why would you believe anything so easily on any social media without evidence to back it up? The ministers a joke and seems to be looking for excuses.

[@mobrocket]

​@@viridia1526 Are you new to Earth? Misinformation is easy to spread now and a lot of politicians are idiots MTG and space lasers come to mind

[@NostalgicOccultist]

Sounds like he lied in the first place and found a convenient scapegoat since deleted videos are still hosted on their servers to be handed over to police if asked for.

[@georhodiumgeo9827]

Thanks for this. Sounds like TicToc does exactly what they claim it does.

[@acr04muerto]

@@viridia1526 of course he's a joke.

[@WigglyTuffStuff]

The phrase "the possibility of it is enough for aggreasive action" is a scary phrase. Sounds like a 21's century version of stop-and-frisk, or guilty until proven innocent.

[@catnappernellie1211]

It’s literally a tool that’s waiting to be used or has already been used by the Chinese government, it’s a smoking gun

[@kevinwalker6840]

Stop and frisk worked

[@MrHighlife]

China is literally guilty till proven innocent. Do we need to bring up their history of political guilt and crimes against humanity?

[@emanuelmartinez7267]

⁠@@kevinwalker6840...... It literally didn't 🤦🏽‍♂️ crime actually increased lmao because the cops were so focused on harassing ANY black or brown person haphazardly they were not using their years worth of expertise to make informed decisions on who to stop and investigate. Statistically only 1/10 people stopped by police under stop and frisk lead to an actual arrest, in one year out of over 600'000 people stopped...... Only around 10'000 were convicted but the best part? That same year non stop and frisk stops where cops used their deductive skills and experience lead to even more convictions then stop and frisk stop arrests..... By every metric stop and frisk doesn't work

[@idontwantmyrealnameonhere5955]

"Guilty until proven innocent" is solely a US law term, coming from European/Latin Common Law. It's not actually enshrined in the constitution or anything, so unless this turns into a criminal case (which it won't) that won't really matter too much.

[@Firkell]

I love the spy game cards lol

[@hoodiesticks]

Codenames is dope

[@oreohunter7798]

@@hoodiesticksdepends on the players

[@marcusfrellips4348]

When WP uses Codenames to represent espionage, it’s getting more popular value than an expensed corkboard

[@gmanley146]

Two players that know each other well can beat a whole think-tank panel of 5 and I love that

[@beaub152]

Codenames

[@Bagel_Chip]

He expensed it

[@DaveJorgenson]

I have to use it!!!!

[@winterinvicta]

@@DaveJorgenson Im voting for No Vote.

[@adventurtle2533]

I don't particularly like tiktok but i don't like the government controlling what media i consume

[@kerdnerl]

Exactly. I will give my friends and family shit for using it, but I still want them to have the ability to use it

[@cyrus3229]

Just use YT shorts.

[@ramblchat55]

​@@cyrus3229KZbin shorts is awful lol

[@georgewang2947]

would you rather have the chinese government controlling your media?

[@Hangman11]

the irony beeing that you ignore that the CCP controls tiktok

[@timesnewlogan2032]

Much as I hate TikTok, we need something a little more concrete than "Me no like" before we ban it.

[@kaynawests262]

Me no like is all Congress needs when the Israeli Lobbys pays them to have an opinion

[@bigoldpp9542]

There has been so many reasons to ban that damn app since it came out, from endangering our youth with these inane and brainless tik tok "challenges", to actually pushing propaganda of communism onto our citizens, which resulted in a massive spike of our citizens calling themselves communists.

[@coltonsupergame]

I mean the Chinese government literally lobbied Congress to not ban it, which is personally enough reason for me to believe that China is definitely using TikTok for something more malicious than on a surface level.

[@ifbfmto9338]

Not really The Chinese government doesn’t allow American media to freely operate there, so why on earth should we allow a Chinese media company to freely operate in America?

[@ragglefraggle9111]

The fact that China considers the TikTok algorithm to be a state secret isn't reason enough?

[@Soy_boi]

I wish they were this proactive on the “possibility” of actual dangers, like mass shootings and inflation, and not habitually reactive instead

[@mistertwister2000]

But then you’d force a giant chunk of America to actually consider the dangers of how easily accessible firearms are, and we can’t have that can we

[@genericscout5408]

@@mistertwister2000USA bans aren’t seriously enforced. You can buy an AR as a felon by taking solid blocks of metal and building it with an online template.

[@cyrus3229]

@@mistertwister2000oh yea, firearms are soooo easy to access…

[@ishootitarw]

​@@mistertwister2000Banning things overall just doesn't work. Prohibition? The War on Drugs? Guns actually used to be easier to get in the US, especially machine guns. Many of the mass shootings back then was the same problem largely still felt today, organized crime violence. The shift and rise in lone wolf mass shootings targeting unarmed civilians is rather new. "conspiracy" or not, it really feels like there is far more going on here and we are all being played for idiots. Guns are tools, they must be respected, practiced with, and safety made a priority. Imagine if everyone in America had to be taught gun safety, how to use them, and how they work. An untrained population is an uneducated population that feels entitled to control something they know nothing about. It's like having people make vehicle safety policy based on their personal views rather than any studies, tests, or data. The US has a massive problem of doing this on every aspect of daily life, and an awful habit of enacting a bad policy, watch the damage and ineffectiveness of the policy, and do nothing to improve it, remove it, or replace it. +50 years of the war on drugs wasting tax payer dollars, hurting the American public, and solving literally nothing. Anyone who wants to ban guns is completely blind to the shear size the illegal firearm black market would balloon to. It just isn't possible to enforce and just does nothing regarding the criminals who were already breaking the law. People need to be trained to defend themselves. We already defunded the shit out of police, they aren't going to help you. You are your own first responder. That is how it always has been and will always be.

[@cyrus3229]

@@genericscout5408if you are a felon, you are NOT allowed to purchase a firearm or parts for firearms. Most criminals just buy guns illegally off the street because… well its their only choice. Even then, if the government catches you with an illegal firearm, welp, all i need to say is good luck…

[@caymuscairns6845]

Yeah that video of Romney “saying the quiet part out loud” was jaw dropping ngl.

[@ayylmao2190]

I mean they were trying to get it banned before too.... god forbid we use our brains instead of mindless conspiracies in 2024

[@catnappernellie1211]

Yeah, and he was right

[@eragon78]

@@catnappernellie1211 Right in what way? He was right in the sense that this is why the US actually wants to ban Tiktok, because they have less control over propagandizing the news on that platform. But he was wrong in that this is a good reason to ban it.

[@digitalbots]

that island argument is funny because tiktok in China is VERY different from the rest of the world.

[@chaoticdetectivepeach]

Not really, the US functions exactly the same on a fundamental level. The US just hides it better with propaganda.

[@bluespidergaming7719]

Well yes but China is know for having these blanket policies about all Chinese internet access where no media outlet can talk bad about the CCP they don't make acceptions for Google or anything else but the US is trying to ban a Singaporean App because their scared that it might be Chinese

[@mistertwister2000]

I don’t give a single shit if TikTok is banned, I just don’t want the government to have more control over the internet

[@eddyangstman]

thats why its important that tiktok isnt banned

[@georgewang2947]

@@eddyangstman ok so the Chinese government can have control over the internet

[@insanecheapo195]

​@@eddyangstman id rather have a US controlled tik tok than a CCP one

[@alexthewrecker4666]

Completely agree. I have never used TikTok but I don't want the gov to control what apps we use. We are no better than China or Russia at that point

[@ask157]

​@@eddyangstman you dont mind government having more control over internet as long it is Chinese government

[@jipillow1]

We need a name for the bulletin board. I am thinking "expense"

[@YourCanadianGuide]

The US already acts like they live on an island sometimes.

[@Idk71568]

it’s cause we basically do. no one over here is strong eneough to challenge what we do so we just do what we want. it’s like us in the 1900s

[@YourCanadianGuide]

@@Idk71568 **cries in longest demilitarized land border in the world**

[@16.chapel]

@@YourCanadianGuideDemilitarized because the only thing to roll onto the border in this modern age would be chunks of brain by that point

[@Idk71568]

@@YourCanadianGuide exactly. we don’t want to take your land and we made a alliance so we don’t have to guard it. And we like you guys so why would we try and go north when we can’t really farm up there.

[@melioristicone333]

​@Idk71568 As an integrated pest management specialist for the controlled environment agriculture industry. Also as an American, You couldn't be more wrong. Canada has at least 2 decades on us with their agrinomics model, very much needed to feed our populations in the near future.

[@malachieclipse9507]

I just think its hilarious “china is creating propaganda in the US!” We already have so much internal propaganda that they dont even have to try 😂

[@handson4580]

The woke crowd make enough propaganda by themselves

[@malachieclipse9507]

@@handson4580 actually most propaganda is created by large companies in the US, woke people(i hate that term) usually are just libertarians who take the liberty to an extreme, however large companies are the sole reason we have cities based off cars, that we are conditioned to hate the homeless and unions, more propaganda comes from companies making profit than other sources

[@chaoticdetectivepeach]

​@@handson4580Damn you know literally nothing, maybe read _a_ book. Yk for once

[@georhodiumgeo9827]

Doesn't China routinely block that and censor things like Google allowing searches for Tiananmen Square? I mean we can agree that that event happened correct? Really we are just doing a more mild version of what China is doing. They already banned TicToc and put a divestment requirement on it in order to operate in China. TicToc in China is completely separate from TicToc. I'm just admiring how smart they are for doing that. We should follow their lead.

[@macbethhm]

@@handson4580Says the one whos mind has been turned to mush from propaganda against said ‘woke crowd’ (nonexistent culture war manufactured by the capitalists that own you)

[@Kirbyterasu]

"... Americans would have an experience detached from the rest of the world." Oh, so business as usual, but even more

[@blackmark2899]

Not really, it'd just die as users just migrate to another platform. Not sure where the thought that people would just stay on Tiktok comes from.

[@macademician]

The codenames cameos!

[@jpoteet2]

He expensed it, he has to use it.

[@murphyslaw942]

Okay but I would rather they force companies to behave. Never once have I been bothered by tiktok, but the websites are selling my information while I attempt to find a new apartment to live in much, much more annoying.

[@chaoticdetectivepeach]

Yeah honestly people are all eating up the propaganda on this, really the whole thing is about silencing Palestinian voices. Since the US funding genocide looks super bad on them. Right now people are protesting and being met with state violence. Pro Palestinian peaceful sit-ins, turn violent when armies of cops show up to stomp innocent people's heads in, when far right counter protesters throw fireworks, and attempt to light people on fire. The United States is almost exclusively good at one thing, and it's murder. However this time, they're being caught. In the act, while it's happening, traditional news stations working as propaganda machines for the government will claim there's no imperialist genocide, while we have 24/7 access to live footage of a genocide. This isn't about security, it's about controlling the narrative.

[@georhodiumgeo9827]

Both things can be true. Ironically TicToc is one of the countries selling your information. I agree our government is failing us on privacy but TicToc is especially bad. Giving that much info directly to the CCP will not be used to sell you things. It will be used as an offensive weapon on the morning Taiwan is invaded.

[@preevetElizabeth]

Yea I'm much more concerned about a rental website knowing what my income is (and hence how much they can overcharge) than tiktok knowing I like the "Wilhelm your killing it" sound

[@CodyASMR]

“Detached from the rest of the world” THATS LITERALLY THE CHINESE VERSION OF TIK TOK THEYRE SO HYPOCRITICAL

[@shizucheese]

Yeah my reaction to that was literally "that's rich coming from a Chinese company"...

[@jodinha4225]

People in China routinely access the outside Internet. The Chinese firewall is about preventing cyber attacks from other countries.

[@freedomcat]

​@@jodinha4225if that was so then why does China outlaw vpns? People have to break through the Chinese firewall to access foreign Internet

[@demanofall]

@@jodinha4225silence Chinese bot

[@insanecheapo195]

​@@jodinha4225 yeah thats funny. Tiananmnen square 1989 and youre outta here

[@jimbopkiller3844]

I think banning TikTok sets a really bad precedent in the US, and I'm not even a user. I really hope the potential ban is overruled

[@greatmatt301]

MM i get your point but i think TikTok is in a very unique position.

[@ZeldagigafanMatthew]

@@greatmatt301 How so? Is TikTok collecting data that is meaningfully different from what Google and other databrokers collect? "Oh, but but... China has direct access to TikityTok's user data" and police can use subpoenas, warrants, or just money to get information on you from Google and other data brokers.

[@aldeno8055]

Well the alternative is worst, I don’t want to set the precedent of foreign media able to control the U.S.

[@MilkieMouse]

@@greatmatt301 The second they said "we don't like all the videos about the war," the debate should be over. That's suppression of information no matter what way you slice it.

[@medraut6599]

​@@MilkieMouse that has nothing to do with this though. This has been talked about ever since Trump was in office. Additionally, Tik Tok has been banned in other countries already.

[@H0ttabych]

China talking about "being disconnected from the rest of the world" is one of the most hillarious things I've heard for a while

[@hockychen7228]

The company is Singaporean at this point. The Chinese version doesn’t even function like the international ones

[@ethannursalim7796]

@@hockychen7228 probably because it makes it less able to cause brain rot

[@catnappernellie1211]

@@hockychen7228 just because they’re legally based out of Singapore doesn’t mean the influence is gone at all. They started off, tied to the CCP and they’ll be banned from this country still tied to them

[@TheHirohikoAraki]

Counter point: There are internet challenges on TikTok that many influencers tried it out and *no one survived*

[@spiderzvow1]

Imagine a chinese owned company arguing free speech lol.

[@TomarBoroDada]

embarassing for the "free country" lol

[@LineOfThy]

Imagine a Chinese company having to argue free speech to a country built on free speech lol

[@Gizz101]

​@LineOfThy it aint free speech especially when the algorithm is owned by the Chinese government

[@LineOfThy]

@@Gizz101 You don’t actually know what you’re talking about do you?

[@Gizz101]

@@LineOfThy you don't

[@fletcherenfield9474]

"experience detached from the rest of the world......like the experience that Chinese internet users have?"

[@sarahdawood9864]

this is actually my only way of getting information. without tik tok and youtube I wouldnt know whats going on or who to trust

[@Tristan-Raisch]

It was pretty wild that they put "the CCP might not let us" in the response to the law that's concerned about the CCP's influence as a national security risk though.

[@BrownTrout1238]

That’s cool. I spend 75% of my time on youtube shorts.

[@imranmazzarulli5293]

Insane, isn’t it? KZbin shorts, Instagram reels, Twitter and Facebook shorts or reels or threads [I don’t know what they’re called] have literally just as much, if not more, power to influence votes and change minds and brainwash and present propaganda. Why not get rid of them too? The xenophobia is real, as are the double standards, and the fake issues that the government makes up, just like North Korea and China and Russia do, to keep the citizens fearful and ignorant and maintain their total control over us

[@swagnut9864]

Any business in China is forced to do business with the government or be forcibly shut down. It is hand in hand and you do not have one without the other.

[@johnmaris1582]

You mean like every country? Business license is everywhere.

[@ZackofSpades]

​@johnmaris1582 Getting a business license in the US doesn't give the government permission to demand your customers' private information. China does this a LOT with their companies to assist with their surveillance and social credit systems. There is a precedent to be concerned.

[@ishootitarw]

​@@johnmaris1582No. If you are a company in China and the CCP wants to see your users private direct messages they have to give all that data to the CCP or be shutdown. No, the rest of the world is not like this, because the rest of the world isn't an imperalist genocidial dictoral regime like Xi Jinping and the CCP are.

[@johnmaris1582]

@@ZackofSpades NSA surveillance, CIA global spy network and credit rating are no stranger to Americans. FBI even admitted cracking Apple iPhone security using Israel Pegasus spyware without court warrant. You don't have evidences of China method being "unique".

[@cronchcrunch]

​@@ZackofSpades Except that the US does still do this. Did you forget what the NSA did? At least China doesn't pretend to care about privacy.

[@upstart7599]

Gotta love the cards from Codenames being included on the (expensed) cork board

[@Helljumper7200]

The US citizen is tired of these elites. We need NEW ppl in charge.

[@xamislimelight8965]

And we put new people in, they were Dan Crenshaw, Lauren Boebert, Marjorie Taylor Green... should I keep going, or is that enough to show you simply getting new people doesn't actually solve anything?

[@aperson626]

Is bro actually a bot? But genuinely, who talks like that? The only people who realistically care about an app that deletes anti Chinese videos are users of that app that are addicted or the Chinese

[@basiloyservin1269]

Ah, yes, American free speech and free market

[@samthesuspect]

Absolutely a free market, we see that they are not allowing our products to compete in China, so we are deciding to cut off Chinese products the exact same way.

[@cronchcrunch]

​@@samthesuspect Except that China doesn't pretend to be a bastion of freedom, choice, and the free market. The US is doing this to ensure that you only ever see propaganda that benefits themselves. Can't have us seeing the other side of any stories and thinking for ourselves.

[@Cheepchipsable]

@@samthesuspect LOL, the US favours it's own stuff, so no free market in the US.

[@insanecheapo195]

​@@Cheepchipsable of course we favor our own stuff. We arent idiots. What kind of country wants their people and their business to suffer the hands of other countries

[@rabidlorax1650]

@@Cheepchipsable TikTok can be in the U.S. when China allows Facebook, Google, Twitter. Until then, no.

[@Curios_Caco]

It’s a ban of the platform, not the media on it. Doesn’t sound like it’s violating any rights

[@jebkermen6087]

I'm not stoping you from speaking, I'm stoping anyone from hearing you. Not a 1st violation.

[@Curios_Caco]

@@jebkermen6087 there's plenty of alternatives with the exact same format you can post your content, minus the chinese ownership

[@puffena9013]

“I didn’t gag you, I just banned you from the town square”

[@brunomorenomata7978]

Lol, the secret code boardgame characters for the espionage reason

[@GoldenAngelX5]

Our government makes me more and more sad by the day…

[@vsherbie]

The spy pictues are Codenames boardgame pieces! Codenames pictures is my favorite.

[@coful]

I despise tik tok but giving the government the power to ban apps or websites they disagree with is stupid.

[@tomd96]

It's not really stopped them in the past. The UK government made whatsapp give them a backdoor into what was supposed to have been peer to peer encryption. The US pressured apple into allowing law enforcement to access your phone. The "millions of lines of code" crap is BS. It does what any social media platform does, monetise drama. The less of that sort, the better. Because it's social media that gave rise to Andrew Tate and similar scam artists. Because it monetises drama. Even if they get exposed, that's just more clicks and attention. KZbin is guilty of the same shit. Because I engaged in a conversation, the algorithm thinks I want all of the content I hate recommended to me.

[@adamsfusion]

The really dumb part is that "for national security" to the courts is like "but think of the children" to a clique of Karens. It's a very strong argument that might hold up regardless of all the other constitutional issues.

[@juantamad4995]

An experience detached from the rest of world? You mean like the Douyin app?

[@Pirating_Parot]

NNNOOO NOT MY BRAIN ROT

[@Blewlongmun]

So I have a very minor understanding of software engineering even less so of massive mega-networks like TikTok or KZbin; that aside it feels like millions of lines of code is unnecessary and is probably why all of these websites implode and/or stagnate tf at some point. From scratch might be difficult, impossible within a year, but maybe companies should invest in a full re-make sometime after 10-20 years of spaghetti.

[@akmon3490]

Yeah a mear algorithm that checks what you liked and waht you watched being millions of lines long is BS and they qre overstating . The one that made this video doesn't know what code really is he just put that snide at Zuckerberg to be funny. And TikTok is the one software that raises the most bubble communities like the selfharm bubble where you're shown only selfharm content . A TikTok ban is more of a hindrance to Chinese inteligence than a problem for americans . You wanna know why it passed ? Cause they sent middle school aged kids to protest at their political representative. Immagine a politician being called by a 10 year old that is reading a script by TikTok. This is why it gets banned , this is why it got pushed through, they dtoped theor mask and attempted to tell impressionable children to protest.

[@georhodiumgeo9827]

It's complete BS. The divestiture agreement could be anything they want. It could include the source code and their precious algorithm. The value is in the name not the code. It's just more lies to scare the Kool-aid drinkers.

[@A13XLaircey]

Gosh, I saw the title, and was like "FINALLY!! Tiktok is banning their viral challenges!"

[@LaCoalicion.]

That corkboard...

[@MoeFokah]

Personally, good riddance. Though this sets a negative precedent.

[@Valkathon]

The fact that ticktock has a separate algorithm for the USA is all that is needed.

[@chaoticdetectivepeach]

It doesn't have a separate algorithm, under the new bill it'd _need_ a second algorithm. Because the current algorithm is yk, letting Palestinians object to the current genocide they're undergoing, and that looks really bad on the US who is funding the whole thing.

[@prestoo264]

I love the “island”talking point brought up, pretending Iike they don’t have a separate version of tik tok in this same “island” idea in china, and have no problem with it there whatsoever

[@jayden7945]

so what youre saying by supporting a tiktok ban is that it is a perfectly fine practice

[@LineOfThy]

The Chinese tik tok is… not the best

[@drackestalentorgen166]

The hiposy of the situation is magnificent

[@unfortunategamer8586]

Oh don’t forget that TikTok upon allowing it accesses every single file on your phone. Even the ones in those apps where you can put a passcode on it. Every single file. Person identification paperwork, bank info, you name it and they have it off your phone.

[@Amnct]

So does Google, Twitter, Facebook and a million other apps that aren’t banned.

[@averysunniemagpie8958]

ohhhh, you simple-minded sweetheart, keep believing every other major app you use doesn't do that lol

[@cyrus3229]

@@averysunniemagpie8958heres the thing, when american companies spies on you, they’re fine but if the Chinese do this, then its bad.

[@unfortunategamer8586]

@@averysunniemagpie8958 It is the very first app I have went to download that wanted access to all the files in my phone. Not the google app, KZbin, Facebook, twitter or instagram has requested access to every single file on my phone. So I honestly don’t know what you are on about.

[@unfortunategamer8586]

@@Amnct When I download the apps, TikTok is the only app that requests access to “files”. Not a single app you mentioned wants access to my “files”.

[@natepeer9473]

Bfd get that Chinese spyware out of here. I only want American spyware on my phone.

[@goneutt]

TikiTacky has promoted videos outside the algorithm in a manner that equals sponsorship, and unnamed sponsors is a violation of FCC rules. The DEA got in trouble for sponsoring drug related episodes of family oriented sitcoms in the 80s and 90s, but not being listed in the credits.

[@RocketsharK7]

I thought your caption meant that tiktok was banning "tiktok challenges" and I thought that would make the world a better place. Then i see your just saying tiktok thinks it should still let children and childish adults do their "challenges"

[@SurrealGoats]

Oh no heaven forbid tiktok be an island. we'd hate to see it become exactly like the chinese tiktok in an effort to not be tiktok.

[@matthewvreeke9872]

Just a reminder that the First Amendment does not apply here. The U.S. has no obligation to extend free speech to a foreign company.

[@JABRIEL251]

They lost when they asked Congress to understand code. Ain't no way.

[@tommyl5319]

My silly brain read the title as a new ban on TikTok challenges

[@ElzariusUnity]

Imagine if someone tried this with Meta or Google. Congress would scream out their lungs.

[@catnappernellie1211]

Meta-and Google aren’t going to invade the country that they operate in

[@amt4653]

Who do you think is paying these politicians?

[@catnappernellie1211]

They are American companies that have to abide by American law.

[@ElzariusUnity]

@@catnappernellie1211 that's funnier than those pro-Putin arguments.

[@catnappernellie1211]

@@ElzariusUnity Putin has nothing to do with this, the point is that these are American companies. Just because you’re a big company doesn’t mean you have more than the federal government. I feel like you underestimate how powerful our government is.

[@ybunnygurl]

I totally am hoping that this band gets challenged in court because I do not think a law forcing the sale of TikTok is constitutional.

[@greatmatt301]

Well it's not "forcing" them to sell. It's just that if they don't they will be "banned" in the US, many other countries would follow if this goes through. In reality if tensions ever rise with China, they would 10000% use TIKTOK to gather information. I can understand the point of the ban.

[@MrEyon93]

Would the American constitution actually cover a foreign company that is simply operating in USA, but is based elsewhere?

[@magenlin]

Right, we're getting the band back together

[@cyrus3229]

So banning an app from a foreign country is unconstitutional? That makes no sense…

[@fyukfy2366]

How is not allowing the sale of a foreign product unconstitutional

[@Iban-Underground]

YES THE BOARD WITH THE RED STRING!!!! Making the most of the board, and most importantly, making us all proud.

[@georhodiumgeo9827]

The board with the red string is a perfect metaphor for the TicToc board being controlled by China. Thanks for noticing.

[@cathcolwell2197]

That pull away 😂

[@gatzt3r]

Typical clueless politicians. Couldn't be this bipartisan on anything else.

[@wasprider7239]

They aren't clueless, they're acting because they want to be able to control the narrative.

[@georhodiumgeo9827]

Isn't it strange that AOC and Lauren Bobert agree on TicToc but all the moderates agree on how dangerous it is? What did they see that got them all to agree with this? The publicly avaliable information on TicToc is scary but whatever they saw must have been terrifying. Makes you think.

[@georhodiumgeo9827]

​@@wasprider7239why are there no videos critical of the CCP on TicToc? Sounds like someone is already controlling the narrative on TicToc. Makes you think

[@gatzt3r]

@@georhodiumgeo9827 if you're trying make a point don't ask a question, make a statement. I'm sure tik tok has its share of issues. So do American companies that have been around longer. The only difference is, because Tik Took isn't putting money in the pockets of politicians, they make a convenient scape goat that doesn't hurt their bottom line.

[@TheNuclearGeek]

Is it even possible for your "newspaper" to cover any story without bias?

[@skyharber]

China does has it as an island already

[@justrenthx]

the bulletin board is my favourite reporter

[@noctotainlowry9246]

"We are not owned or alligned with the chinese goverment...but if we sell the chinese government, will keep our algorithm"

[@GSBarlev]

Millions of lines of code? For a recommendation engine? Did they... hand code an ensemble tree?

[@Wezla]

Lines of codes is a sort of meaningless measurement, if only cause you can make code much longer if you really cared too. It's not that absurd if you're including libraries in that count, but idk for the world most popular social media app? I am not at all surprised it's very large, but I guess it frames it for non-developers

[@xxsuperstarstxx9773]

Absolutely no one was surprised by this

[@marcojmflumino8713]

The glitch was perfectly timed with my phone's update which popped up on my screen

[@Alacritous]

The Tiktok ban is a Bill of Pains and Penalties. That is a law passed that punishes a company without a trial. It's a form of Bill of Attainder which is explicitly forbidden by the Constitution

[@benrutgers6329]

KZbin needs to have its algorithm opened up. It's wild the lies it shows me on here

[@DW-lb6hw]

Which part of this is a lie?

[@benrutgers6329]

@@DW-lb6hw nothing here these folks are great.

[@thedankdragon6062]

Just look at previous updates for the app,( they used to be able to turn your camera, microphone, and location on whenever they wanted, even if the phone was manually turned off) and cross refrence with ad targetting in regards to people in military professions

[@enderhamster7416]

Lots of other social media have been able to do that in the past. I mean even looking at it right now apps like Facebook collect and sell data to foreign buyers or even just American companies

[@brian.the.archivist]

Meanwhile... Other platforms have been caught red handed and only got a flick on the nose

[@Gizz101]

Tiktok is a propaganda platform and a use for spying on the world bud

[@Ray.Cyst.88]

Imagine simping for China

[@ghostboy4115]

They literally said the quiet part outloud and literally said it’s because they don’t like that we are getting informed on what’s actually happening in Palestine

[@fyukfy2366]

Literally? Wow...

[@TheLegend-wz7fl]

The TikTok in US is already an island. It’s completely different than the experience you would get from any other nationality. And much worse, but that’s besides the point

[@Quiscalus777]

Reading the title, I thought that the video would be about a ban on TikTok challenges.

[@TheNuclearGeek]

It's hilarious to watch the Chinese try to freedom of speech when even Chinese people can't use TikTok.

[@TheWaluigiman1]

It's not about TikTok. It's about the government being able to take control of websites they don't like and setting their standards.

[@KeiPalace]

Its about the two corporate giants Facebook and Twitter controlling congress trying to keep their monopolies

[@beaub152]

The codenames agent/innocent was a good touch

[@pinkfrappe_]

Not to mention the fact that several US government figures, including the president, still have and operate their own accounts on TikTok. If it was truly a national security risk, wouldn’t it already be prohibited internally for anyone holding any kind of office?

[@OddsandEnds]

I want to be banned just because it’s terrible for younger generation. They’re just stuck on their phone scrolling for the rest of their time.

[@implied.]

both major mobile phone operating system providers (google and apple) have features to restrict screen time. this is a non-issue.

[@codeninja3295]

They’ll just find something else to watch. That gap in the short-form market won’t stay closed. Social media can ABSOLUTELY be harmful, but the solution isn’t to ban Tik-Tok; it’s to impose regulations on the predatory and addictive aspects of social media, especially where children are concerned.

[@Bremend]

So how did you get to this video?

[@codeninja3295]

@@implied.Social media addiction is absolutely a thing, including among children and teens, which negates your point; you’re right that a ban isn’t the solution, though.

[@KeiPalace]

and they will still do that on OTHER platforms, then again the youth of today Can't Afford Anything and are chased out of any public spaces

[@MistrumGenderplasma]

Also forgot Citizens United is in play. Honestly, Tiktok needs to lose, because if they do, Citizens United gets overturned

[@Damariobros]

Wait really? Citizens United would get overturned by this?

[@medraut6599]

How?

[@MistrumGenderplasma]

@@medraut6599 They are using it as a defense

[@MistrumGenderplasma]

@@Damariobros yep. Theyre using it as a defense. Saying that since corporations are considered people, it's legal for them to push an agenda of their own, since that's free speech. Theres no evidence they have, since thats how algorithms work, but its what theyre doing

[@georhodiumgeo9827]

I hope both things happen (TicToc divests and citizens united gets overturned) but to be honest this seems like a pretty typical divestiture requirement and would likely have little impact on citizens united. Divestiture requirements are not uncommon.

[@HumbleBeeUK]

Damn that bulletin board has paid for itself in engagement farming

[@flyntravenspear9883]

Given that the Code-Word for the entire operation-

[@bongpoquito]

The same argument of "it could be used to harm citizens" can be used against the 2nd amendment.

[@georhodiumgeo9827]

Are you saying all divestiture requirements should be removed? So you would be ok with Comac manufacturing the F35?

[@bongpoquito]

@@georhodiumgeo9827 I don't think your comment deserves anymore brainpower than it takes to type this.

[@georhodiumgeo9827]

@@bongpoquito I'm just going to take that as you had to think for a minute and realized it's a more complicated problem than you thought. Good for you. Get that Google search engine running and learn some stuff. That's what it's all about brother.

[@bongpoquito]

@@georhodiumgeo9827 okay 🤡

[@Cathtradgroyper]

We need to ban all social media

[@z_.5557]

Says this on a KZbin comment section 💀

[@Cybercerialdestroyer]

No????

[@whatteamwildcats4033]

Or you can delete your accounts

[@Emilyy9292]

If TikTok gets banned and I can’t see vinnie hacker videos anymore my life is over

[@richardashton8916]

Bro really out here using “Codename” cards and I love it

[@PIFproject]

Always great to see the board

[@IllyaLev]

_tiktok has so much secrets_

[@mangafan051]

They might have had a chance with the selling data thing if every American app wasn’t ALREADY doing that.

[@RTSfan-ee5lt]

The code names cards on the board are wild 💀

[@chargercarter]

Love the codename reference

[@DarthAwar]

1st Applies to People not Corporations especially Foreign One's, Just like how a Company can't hold a arm!

[@ukraineme96]

Bro really tried to sneak in Codenames and thought we wouldn’t notice

[@dawn8293]

The TikTok algorithm is one of its biggest assets.

[@georhodiumgeo9827]

And they say it could never be recreated... Hum, sounds like a lie to me. Was the CEO ever charged with lying to congress when he testified that no data on US users was being moved to China? It seems like he might have a credibility problem. I would go to jail for doing that.

[@LineOfThy]

@@georhodiumgeo9827Do you have proof of it?

[@TwoNote]

Tiktok on an island... like China's version, weird am I right?

[@MelissaJMassey]

At first I thought this was a TikTok challenge about bans where the kids keep banning more and more ridiculous things

[@drakefire6675]

To the surprise of nobody, the ban does nothing.

[@KrazyKai9]

Love the codenames spies on the board