TikTok’s Ticking Clock: National Security vs. Free Speech; Dr. Evil and James Bond | GoodFellows

[@HooverInstitution]

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[@Melmelba]

Get your own water & food. Nobody is obligated to deliver it to you.

[@parkerlincoln49]

Even better, don’t break into public buildings and then demand that others provide you with humanitarian aid

[@Antiwumao]

Dont forget to highlight that China is currently comitting modern colonialism in Xingjang, Tibet & Inner Mongolia

[@j.t.r1409]

Best John Cochrane performance this year! Not because I agree with everything he said, but because he holds his ground against three people with composure and deep, thoughtful responses. This is EXACTLY what America (and the world) needs right now. Well done!

[@Brummly84]

Big John Cochrane fan, glad to see the vibrant debate, but tend to disagree with him on TikTok. John focused primarily on one direction of data from the US to China. I'm far more concerned with the other direction i.e. China mass spamming links to the useful idiots of our society to contact their government representatives re policy petitions. They already showed us an example of this tool with the attempt to prevent the legislation. Imagine a Taiwan blockade scenario where every phone with TikTok in the US got a notification to sign a non-intervention petition for their congress rep or senator.

[@lauram2475]

When critiquing government student loan programs (a worthwhile subject) one also needs to criticize the schools, which have been inflating their tuitions every year for decades, with barely an excuse. It’s a grift and the schools are a key agent. Where’s the honesty in academia?

[@richarddean3154]

A large contributor to Israel's vulnerability on October 7th was mirror imaging - Israel looked out upon the wider world and thought that she saw enemies who were just as war-weary and ready for peace and that antisemitism was waning. Israel is in a unique position in that its enemies will never lose interest in fighting until they themselves are deceased. Great content.

[@MrJoel9679]

John is confused. The first amendment is for Americans not foreign nationals and their intelligence agencies. Look at how effective television stations and radio were in Romania. It is the responsibility of American Society to protect its under age people foreign influence. As John says, Americans have the right to form their own associations and to have their own freedom of speech. That does not mean that nationals deserve to co-opt, coerce and conceal through business entities.

[@laminatedpipe]

This podcast has opened my eyes over the past year or two on the serious issues with Ivy League higher ed. I thought the problems were exaggerated until the past few months

[@jessemadison8596]

I thought I was going crazy last night when I couldn’t find the episode anymore, glad it’s up. Thank you Hoover and all the fellows for bringing us these wonderfully thoughtful conversations in a period of insanity.

[@MrMeiguoren]

That Sean Connery impression was wildly impressive!!!

[@wrwinter]

2024 and John is still insufferable when it comes to China. I admire HR's graciousness towards his viewpoint.

[@lukeyellowtail1145]

“It’s crazy to say because we’re on an Ivy League campus” yes it it crazy that you’re on an Ivy League campus and this is how you behave

[@craigfriedman4759]

If the illegally occupying protesters want water they can do the legal thing and leave. Having a meal plan doesn't mean you get catered service, you have to go to the cafeteria.

[@TheWhitehiker]

Blocking public spaces is against the law, forget about the food entitlements, they are only entitled to the jailhouse courtesy of the public.

[@captainahab9602]

John was spot on and courageous in this environment to defend against the 'disinformation' censorship regime so benevolently offered us by way of the state department apparatchiks

[@MarshallMachines]

As always, this is a fantastic show which I eagerly look forward to. The collective wisdom and insights are awesome..and the wit is a bonus. Thank you Goodfellows and Bill Whalen

[@thewealthofnations4827]

I was curious why the video was on and then gone! It was such a thrilling debate in true Hoover fashion, respect and dignity. Glad it is back up with bonus content!

[@nblacud]

It was up yesterday for a moment, I saved it to watch later and could not find it again. Anyways, good thing it's back up again.

[@HooverInstitution]

Hello yes, we pinned a comment that this is a new version with bonus content ;)

[@ostevoostevo1592]

Yes, I was watching it when suddenly it stopped and said "video not available.".

[@ostevoostevo1592]

@@HooverInstitution So what is the bonus content?

[@user-rx4gh4ys1v]

They got a call

[@ucha10]

John on TikTok was speaking nonsense, he sounded like congress questioning Zuckerberg. He doesn’t understand it at all. Thankfully others checked him on it.

[@Kraken2681994]

Love the saltire waving. Keep up the good conversations. Awe the best fa Glasgow 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

[@gabrielderman974]

I agree with Mc Master !!! Fired all the faculty !! I would not hire anyone form this universities post April 2024

[@nonnobissolum]

"Our government being in charge of determining what is disinformation" is the problematic part. Exactly. And what's disturbing is how normalized advocacy for acting on the authoritarian impulse by all parties has become.

[@stevemiller2288]

I’m a broken record. You guys collectively are excellent. The flow of Goodfellows is a model of group communication that doesn’t require a security detail, I look forward to listening to you.

[@jonswire-thompson2476]

Brilliant show. Thanks to all concerned.

[@Nick-bh5bk]

Jordan Peterson warned many years ago what was brewing on these campuses. He suggested we defund them.

[@bobsnow1996]

In 2011 I was in Sderot, Israel standing on a berm over Hwy 34 looking into Gaza... I'm former U.S. Marine and all I could think was... "All there is between Gaza and Sderot is a fence some 2500' away from the berm where I'm standing?" Then I thought the Israeli's must have a handle on this area being this close to Gaza... then I awoke the morning of October 7th! One of my history professors said in class once..."The longer you fight an enemy the more you become like your enemy and that goes for your enemy too!"

[@iraslomowitz590]

Ms Zegart - there is no indication that Netanyahu knew of anything in the day and hours leading up to the attack. That is because the IDF Chief of Staff refused to inform the PM or the Defense Minister in advance. It is the General Staff and the Chief of the General Staff who refused to believe what was before their eyes.

[@OptimumBritannis]

"Humanitarian aid"... after breaking into a building? Would it be "humanitarian aid" to feed a burglar who refuses to leave? I think not.

[@jaredspencer3304]

H.R. has the right answer with In-N-Out!

[@Dreadnought16]

Love this show!

[@shanekirchoffer2767]

John, I think CBS did a video showing that cell phones still track location activity even when location services are turned off.

[@jonathanwexler2047]

This is quickly becoming my favourite show - what common sense versus so much of the leftist and far leftist media. I am more politically in the center but facts on the ground are pushing me more towards these guys. Much appreciated.

[@sparkyinsertnamehere6673]

Have to admit, I was getting annoyed by John Cochrane's stand on TikTok, which I consider is grotesquely naive. Then I realised I was falling into the confirmation bias trap, my view is right all others are wrong. Am glad he put up a fight, we need our assumptions challenging from time to time. Is one of the reasons I watch this channel. Keep on being a stone in the shoe John.

[@gregorytoews8316]

Dr Evil is what made this show memorable, not the other stuff. 😂

[@richardmulligan7536]

Love the show guys!

[@JB-ti7bl]

I work here in Japan. One day at work I ate lunch with a Jamaican and a Filipino. To my surprise, both of them dumped hard on China. The Jamaican said there's hardly a grocery store in Jamaica that isn't Chinese-owned; the Filipino was mad about Chinese poaching their sea turtles and ruining local coral reefs.

[@plumleyfriends8697]

I get the idea John was playing a bit of Devil's Advocate. The other's seemed to be expecting his fired-up performance. But fun to watch!

[@waxer32123]

Dr. Cochrane’s refusal to acknowledge the legitimacy of any concerns that may run counter to pure free market doctrine is honestly getting frustrating. Complaining about protectionism falls flat when the thing that’s being protected isn’t some inefficient industry, but rather American citizens being protected from hostile foreign propaganda and foreign influence

[@MrMarccj]

A little trvia, a historian friend of mine here in The Republic of Georgia said that the two things that collapsed the Soviet Union was James Bond films and Sabrina, the Italian model / singer with her song Boys! Boys! Boys!

[@davidbowers5263]

Great show! Amy...so smart! HR and Niall, great impressions! Great contrarian POV on TikTok, John! Hooray Hoover Institution for intelligent conversation. And YT: hmm, thank you for tolerating free speech.

[@JeffTY77450]

I’m a retired 96B5H intelligence analyst. On the topic of does TikTok constitute a security threat to the U.S. General McMaster and Amy are correct, and John Cochrane, whose opinion I greatly value and respect, is wrong. I like TikTok and check it out daily. I very much hope that TikTok can sever its ties with China and the CCP, and can continue to exist in the U.S. 🇺🇸

[@willt9832]

Love the Dr Evil imitation!

[@bagsjr1]

Great show! Thanks

[@jbrothman]

In-n-out burger for the win!

[@Allen1029]

The General has become a master of diplomacy.

[@jamesolsen5818]

John always gets it wrong, with the exception of the proudest moments quotation👌

[@michaelpapp7371]

OMG Niall, you are the next James Bond for sure

[@borderlesssynthetic4164]

Great stuff gentlemen 🎉😊

[@Erlingha]

Finally a dose of sense!

[@meinking22]

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Benjamin Franklin

[@Drunkwithsuccess]

This is intellectual candy and I can’t get enough.

[@siuwong4588]

20:52 I do see John’s point. It proves that nowadays ppl are generally stupider as they can buy into such propaganda easily. How sad it is!

[@maryspencer4274]

Years and years ago, they were filming James Bond in Biscayne Bay from our high school. We helped send and pack their boats out in the bay. The floating car was one.

[@999reader]

The way these fellows talk, you’d think that Stanford was so woke that the Hoover institution and this program would have been canceled long ago.

[@richardmulligan7536]

Brilliant HR "... the diet coke of communism.."

[@patdoherty6563]

Always a great show,get yer woman back asap,please.

[@johnweiner]

The segment concerning the student disruption in support of Hamas...Bill Whelan introduced the segment by saying that these present students "had no skin in the game" unlike the student protests of the Vietnam era. The students of that time ('60s early '70s), of which I was one, all had 'student deferments'. The students of that era, the "New Left" had little-to-none "skin in the game". The Vietnam war was fought by those who did NOT go to college, who did NOT have student deferments, the unacknowledged poor whites and poor blacks of that time. There is a direct line from the divisions of that era to our present moment...I have the impression from the discussion that even these guys on Good Fellows have no clue as to the reality of what that era really was like.

[@999reader]

Cochrane and company are wrong on student loans, saying that students get them without collateral or risk. I guaranteed my niece’s college loan, and when she defaulted I was hit with the penalties and my credit rating suffered.

[@ABC-defg993]

Thank you for this discussion. I wish we are also talking about the other things included in the bill. The bill is not just about a software controlled by authoritarian and communist regime operating within US, there are whole other stuff our lovely politicians inserted for their own benefit. Can we also have a discussion on that? Let’s remember after 20+ years there is still Patriot Act, which was supposed to be emergency only

[@user-tk1jj1cp9x]

Great debate on the TikTok stuff. Really illuminated both sides of this issue.

[@Roiddz]

John is amazing but I feel TikTok equating free speech essentially means free speech for 'xi jinping thought'. I wasn't aware the Constitution provided free speech for all people in all countries including dictators who apparently hate functioning peace because of a loose connection to imperialism. Also he argues that Americans are intelligent enough to make the correct choices. Which is fine but why make finding the right choice difficult? There's enough noise and difficult choices as it is.

[@MrCarlGW]

Good show.

[@nonnobissolum]

We've all got a "personal stake" given technology, gobal reach of terrorism, lightning fast communication etc. It's not 2008, much less 1968. Good grief just look around at how fast and far weve fallen.

[@DanielMartinez-lz3ot]

I don't want Sean Connery and Matt Damon as spies, I want Conrad Janis from Mork and Mindy, Mr. Hooper from Sesame Street, and Gladys Kravitz from Bewitched.

[@mountainrambler7926]

19:53 This may be John’s best moment on the show. I applaud his support for political liberty. See Terminiello v. Chicago (1949)

[@michaeltrillium]

It would be a no-brainer to end TikTok if most US social media wasn’t so biased. These days you might want to peek at alternatives like Al Jazeera or RT: they are also biased but in the opposite direction. That can help clarify some unknowns.

[@eusouassimformosan]

“China! China! China!" Not the most convincing argument. Has Cochrane even read TikTok's Terms of Service agreement?

[@patrickgleason2066]

Voices of Protest: Huey Long, Father Coughlin and the Great Depression by Alan Brinkley. Rachel Maddow has also published a recent study of pre WW2 American fascism, somewhat unlikely that any of the "Goodfellows" have read that. Great insights as usual.

[@moochmike18]

Re Tic Tok. Do not forget that most western apps like facebook, youtube, google, are not allowed in China. Why is it not reciprocal?

[@sbourdondvm]

John thank you

[@999reader]

I appreciate Cochrane providing a different point of you on TikTok. This is especially given that diversity of opinion and debate is so rare on the Internet. But that begs the question why Goodfellas never permits a liberal points of view on the show.

[@DianeMerriam]

Who gets to decide what and whose speech and algorithms are dangerous? That is the slippery slope we can't go down.

[@tabithadorcas7763]

Great episode! And Stephen Kotkin next time! Woo hoo!

[@allanvodicka8352]

By the way, John, China doesn’t allow Twitter or Facebook or Instagram or KZbin to freely operate in China. Trade should be reciprocal, and our social media platform should have the freedom to act if we are to provide the freedom of TikTok to act in the United States.

[@MrRpgrpgrpgrpgrpg]

Nice guest!

[@Pdotta1]

The impressions were actually quite good tho.

[@nblacud]

Glad you still have faith in Argentina.

[@iPondR]

Watching this with keen interest from Australia. We have our local version of this activism to deal with. At some point, national (& global) security should be the main concern, based on the 'precautionary principle'. Deciding where that boundary should be looks like a bit of a highwire act. It's not a stretch to say that this activism supports the strategy of undermining U.S. support for Israel... while also not coming down too heavily on these students - then playing into the propaganda (just read some of the comments here) about how the US silences dissent.

[@amcsibozgor6791]

Cochrane should have the sense to quit this production so Niall and HR could pick up Paul Krugman and call it Welfare/Warfare.

[@careyfreeman5056]

If you make that movie, your comp is The Wire.

[@spruecorner2818]

great talk, lots to think about, thanks. I read Ian Fleming's novels as a young teenager and thoroughly enjoyed them at the time. I also really enjoyed, with full belly laughs; James Coburn in 'Our Man Flint"......why am i not laughing now?.......oh btw, nice photoshop job Niall, hee!

[@spruecorner2818]

free speech my arse!

[@Traderbear]

John has an important counter argument that is 💯 wrong. Government needs to understand the power of social media much better than it does currently.

[@allanvodicka8352]

John, this is the situation where the theory does not meet the reality. Theoretically free speech is fantastic but there’s also a certain responsibility that should come with free speech. Enabling our enemies to have free speech and manipulate American audiences to act against the interest of the United States is a huge mistake..

[@letdaseinlive]

Did Netanyahu fail to "prevent"? Not at all. He produced the situation by being an unjust monster. Just remove him.

[@jkbrown5496]

The problem with Tik Tok is that the data and manipulation isn't in control of the US intel community. The intel community that doesn't look out from America as much anymore but one that is taking action against Americans who think differently than the career government functionaries.

[@shokuchideirdrecarrigan7402]

Yes! A very early demonstration in London on Oct 14 was to my eye clearly scripted, choreographed, costumed, rehearsed, directed and funded. It was not spontaneous. The college demonstrations have the same characteristics plus strategy. And coordination.

[@stephenlight647]

I had to fast forward through Dr. Cocharan’s naive commentary. The rest was outstanding.

[@pamelaroyce5285]

John Cochran does not understand how TikTok works, the volume at which it works, the rapidity at which it works. In the 1930’s, people could read about communism and fascism, and opposing views, and discuss the concepts - a much smaller quantity of propaganda at a slower rate, and there were opportunities for rebuttals and counterpoints. TikTok is hypersonic, and John Cochran is talking about pedestrian paced publications of ninety years ago.

[@user-rx4gh4ys1v]

The video was up yesterday and then they got a call!

[@SkiDooSummit670]

What about GE appliances, Lenovo Laptops, Motorola Cell Phones, Volvo? Aren't at least some of these network connected? Why aren't they an issue?

[@hankroest6836]

35:10 "... an interesting phenomena" [sic]

[@julesfisher3551]

In the US all news companies paper press or TV have to be owned by a US company and primary share holder has to be a US citizen. Bring TicToc under this existing law.

[@andrewshantz9136]

John’s arguments are weirdly scattered. I don’t know what he’s really arguing other than “I don’t like banning TikTok.”

[@Gbizz]

Americans have the right to choose whatever technology they want to use, parents should be the only ones that can choose whether their children use tiktok. It is called the land of the free for a reason...

[@searchingfortruth619]

I very much disagree with Amy on the 9/11 comparison. No one has ever really perceived Hamas to be organized or sophisticated enough to launch such a coordinated attack at such a large scale.

[@Michaelfrikkie]

Regarding TikTok, While you remember COVID and then compare Karl Popper, the Austrian-British philosopher of science, who wrote the influential anti-independent-norm-forming-community book "The Open Society and Its Enemies" with Aldous Huxley's prophetic book "Brave New World"... then it is funny to see people arguing about which anti-independent-norm-forming-community dystopia is the worse, the US's or the CCP's dystopia.

[@user-rx4gh4ys1v]

I lived half of my life in communist country and second half here in the USA and I can CLEARLY see signs of communist behavior in U.S. government, suppressing the freedom of speech, printing money, banning foreign influences, custom taxes forced on all imports, crushing protests (like China in Hong Kong few years ago), despising working class and creating super-priviliedged class on top, philosophy that socialism is only for the one on the top while one on the bottom has freedom to starve, etc...etc...etc.. The whole world can clearly see that USA is collapsing just like ex USSR collapsed so once again I can watch collapsing of the empire in real time. And ye, this podcast DELETES all comments that censor don't like...just like in China

[@krissorby7747]

Brilliant people and insight, but John Cochrane is weak.

[@melaniegatton]

I'm with John and the first amendment