Tim Henson "why is NOT cool to play in a metal band"

[@Dakotako]

"money and girls" hard to argue with that

[@guitarmeetsscience]

🤘😆🤘

[@bmoneybby]

He's starting to sound like a real boomer.

[@SJNaka101]

​@bmoneybby umm have you heard what is popular right now lmfao

[@bmoneybby]

​@@SJNaka101Fine, I'll explain the joke. Tim Henson is famous for creating the saying "boomer bends," and bringing to light the difference between new age guitar players and the old regime. In this quote, he mentions money and girls, which is in fact a Boomer rock and roll concept. Hence, the full circle nature of life. He himself, now sounds like a Boomer. Funny joke. Now you get it?

[@starrsignn]

Hes not wrong tho

[@guitarmeetsscience]

He's not!

[@-jmac995]

He’s entirely wrong, and a soy boy like him attracting girls is actually a hilarious thought

[@Illiyinmusic]

@@-jmac995 dude girls love him lmao..its not about girls its about expanding their sound they do multiple genres.. ive hung with the dudes theyre good people.. the narrator said girls....

[@pradlark]

​@@-jmac995 you're projecting there buddy

[@jmike2039]

I'd say he is wrong. Metal today isn't about solos at all, it's about bad ass riffs. Unless you are stuck in the crappy Nile days, solos aren't really a mainstay anymore. I agree with the hook stuff and metal not making money but it's not just about aolos

[@IdFightMyDad]

Look at all the dudes in the chat agreeing that girls love the music.

[@trevor4533]

Yeah, seriously. Its cool that they brought Guitar oriented virtuoso music to a more general audience, but lets not pretend it still isnt a sausage fest 🤣

[@3rdcoasttoast201]

🤣🤣🤣

[@lordhendrickson8585]

As a metalhead in a metal band, he’s absolutely right.

[@poulwinther]

But he forgot to mention being a sell out.

[@stenooo2439]

I’m right there with you man

[@sohumgoyal3401]

Tim's business mind and his guitar skills both contributed to his success

[@guitarmeetsscience]

Yep - he's doing it right

[@donjuanmckenzie4897]

Who is he

[@Myst1c_OW]

@@donjuanmckenzie4897 the lead guitarist of polpyhia

[@salembeats1875]

My opinion is that it doesn’t matter what genre you play, you just have to make sure you write catchy music with some good choruses and a memorable melody. That’s a big reason why all the big metal bands are successful. They write good songs with some tech stuff sprinkled into it but they don’t make it the whole song

[@guitarmeetsscience]

Spot on assessment - and I agree 100%. The metal bands that found the most success were the ones that were able to come up with something that would stick into people's heads. This way people that aren't even into the genre itself somehow find it friendly and welcoming.

[@blakers11]

⁠@@guitarmeetsscienceknocked loose is one of the best examples of this for sure. Many people who aren’t into metal or hardcore enjoy knocked loose because their sounds are so catchy and the beat to their music just hits almost on a hip hop level at times.

[@slowfuse]

"catchy music with some good choruses and a memorable melody. " That genre is actually called "Pop" music

[@GuyNarnarian]

@@slowfuse Exactly my thoughts, Polyphia is still nowhere close to pop music regardless. Tim Henson is not famous outside of the guitar community, which is mostly a sausage fest. Of course there are plenty of girls that can rip it. Also helps if you don't look like a girl, Tim.

[@redmed10]

​@@salembeats1875 and which big metal bands are though he's actually talking about death core bands are catchy, with choruses and with memorable melodies. Melodies? Are you kidding me?

[@zenn3339]

Being in a metal band is nothing but a sausage party.

[@guitarmeetsscience]

You're so right! Tim has the right idea in this case I think!

[@zenn3339]

@@guitarmeetsscience Yes he does.

[@-jmac995]

Except if your Tim, your painting your nails like a female for what? To attract men? And look at Scott’s hair and nails. These guys are so far in the closet it’s hilarious

[@jamesvancam]

​@@-jmac995 You're*? & I'm not even a fan of Tim or Polyphia.

[@Illiyinmusic]

@@-jmac995 metal bands have long hair. my best friend zach plays drums for the dude who wrote on playing god..not in the closet at all.. you assuming and acting weird about it shows how you feel lmao... youre jealous bro

[@Noided88815]

Damn he really triggered yall huh? He's not even wrong.

[@Ben6Strings]

Yeah... let's go back and watch the videos with him and Steve Vai improvising... he froze like a little girl in a horror movie. But he's such a ViRtuOsO. 🤣

[@guitarmeetsscience]

I got to see these vids!

[@doritoessence]

​@@Ben6Strings anyone looking for this will have to look hard because 99% of the footage he's playing along side with him, including improv, he and Scott are just flying.

[@TooBadBro3921]

@@Ben6Strings There’s a real argument to be made that Tim is actually technically a lot better than Steve

[@Ben6Strings]

@TooBadBro3921 no he's not and I'm not even a Steve Vai guy lol. He's just a cringey little wannabe anime character and it genuinely blows my mind that grown men look up to him and his annoying sounds.

[@AtichonN.-iz3tq]

Metal band nowadays is kinda hard to reach fame like back in the 80s, he’s not wrong but i guess metalheads might be pissed off by this.

[@guitarmeetsscience]

You're exactly correct - And yes it did piss off a lot of metalheads!

[@charlesreid9337]

i love metal. But it died a while ago and now consists of a bunch of >> Mostly

[@adrianaslund8605]

If your'e into prog metal like I am Its mostly listened to by old nerds. But who cares. It paints pictures and pulls you into out of body experiences. That's all that matters.

[@6idangle]

Metal Is my first love, still listen to It daily, but he’s right.

[@charlesreid9337]

@@6idangle this is true of all non corporate genres. All of them. And i love metal but 95% of metal has Always been garbage

[@rhyscianchetti1622]

I personally love metal. I love individuals in metal bands. I don't know how true this take is. I think there is more to music than just earning money, but I also think Tim and Polyphia are smart enough to do both. They make stuff that they like that also makes money. I could see how Metal could not make AS MUCH money as maybe the 80s but saying metal blatantly doesn't make money is too broad of a statement. There are plenty of metal bands that make loads of money. The big names. I think a better take would have been "It is harder to make money in a metal band".

[@guitarmeetsscience]

That is definitely the big takeaway - more that it is harder, then again it's also harder to find a sizable fan base just due to the saturation. Back when Metallica and Slayer were coming up they were blazing new ground. Our ears have since become accustomed to these heavy sounds. I think what Tim was saying was that there's no money in metal for them in particular, meaning that they would find much more success if they switched directions. But yeah you're right there are a lot of successful metal acts out there.

[@superQman600]

I mean, it’s the truth. Unless you’re a widely known metal band, you’re probably not making much money, or you have a side hustle to supplement that income. Think of Lorna shore. Big in the metal community, but if you zoom out a bit to the music community, they aren’t well known at all. However, when rap artist(like lil uzi) mentions them, they get noticed. But you still got guys like lil pump doing way larger numbers on things like Spotify monthly listeners

[@guitarmeetsscience]

Agreed on all points. Metal has been somewhat relegated to something like jazz, or generally people consume entire playlists of it as a genre. Rappers and the like tend to dominate by personality - so large groups of people pick their favorite rapper and go with them. Not to say that doesn't happen in metal and jazz, just not to the extent It would be in something like rap or pop etc. Metal fans generally like a variety of metal bands, jazz fans generally feel like putting on some jazz and chilling out - which usually means listening to whichever jazz artists happen to pop up on the playlist. It's interesting that concentration of a fan base and how it is constituted differently for different genres.

[@goodtimesgivecancer1]

The fact that only the big names of metal are the only ones making loads of money in your opinion just proves Henson right lol

[@bradycalvert6652]

Metal is pretty cool. I mean it def depends on the band and sub genre in terms of how popular or original it might be. Yea ngl I’m not the biggest fan of listening to shredding for two hours , but metal is pretty cool. And I mean he’s friends with Herman Li, so before we all get butt hurt let’s kinda remember that the dude has some friends in the metal world 🤷‍♂️

[@guitarmeetsscience]

You bring up some great points Brady - while Tim sort of tongue in cheek described the metal life, metalers do fine. But I suppose his change of genre did him well - especially because of the fact that they were able to innovate in their own way. Nevertheless it is obvious that he still has a deep respect for metal and metal heads. Thank you for sharing I appreciate that!

[@npichora3023]

Solos, said the one who’s just pushing guitar strings… his music sound like my mind on a Friday after a full week work

[@guitarmeetsscience]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@daylight1908]

I F-ing love Tim henson!! that dude can say anything he wants about guitar he can back it up 100000000000%

[@guitarmeetsscience]

He is a damn good player! I like all the unexpected twists and turns he takes in his playing. Totally fresh, totally needed!

[@charlesreid9337]

@@guitarmeetsscience he's an unbelievable player. But what i think makes them revolutionary is their music creation. It's mindblowing

[@charlesreid9337]

He is 100% right. And ill guarantee all those musicians in metal bands admire and listen to him. Their fanbase are musicians.

[@cacaman1391]

No

[@mrfinlay7516]

​@@cacaman1391actually, for most people, yes

[@mrfinlay7516]

Couldn't agree more! I'm in a metal Band. I think Tim Henson and Polyphia's fanbase are especially guitarists and musicians in general

[@donjuanmckenzie4897]

He's right but opposed to what? The ass has fallen out of music, very few bands are able to make any serious money or garner a fan base

[@cunningstunt69]

I feel there’s a lot more women in the metal fan base than in the polyphia fan base😂 He said girls are one of the reasons he stopped making metal and started making what they make now but in reality most of his fan base is guitar bros lol

[@ALPHABRAVO487]

true i love metal idn why, since i was a kid, and i will love it forever. but it is a lonely road, once you find the right girl tho, you are set for the rest of your eternal life

[@SaintKines]

This guy gets it

[@guitarmeetsscience]

Besides the occasional argument of course lol, but yes overall definitely true!

[@edgychico9311]

From Deathcore to Jazzcore

[@Tyrannosaurine]

“Artist” specifically changes “art” to be more commercially viable, bases what they consider “cool” on industry trends

[@ZT_Performance]

Went to some venues about 5 years ago they were playing the same jazzy super technical riffs. To his point, I Never seen so many girls at a ("metal show") lol It's not my cup of tee I was a bit disappointed, shit I've been disappointed in death core in general for a long time. I miss the chonky groovy riffs that are put together in a melodic masterpiece. Not every band is like that but for the last 10-15 years it's been a lot of copy paste/super refined Technical production without groove or hooks. As a guitarist who writes my own metal songs it became apparent it is very niche. Only time chicks really dig my music is when I do something soft and melodic, but that's not what I care about pretty much only doing it for my love of metal.

[@guitarmeetsscience]

You bring up some great points Zach. Granted I think nowadays a lot more women are getting into metal and varied styles they weren't into before simply because social media has helped spread the wealth a bit. But still for the most part the dudes dig the heavier stuff, or the weirder stuff like Prog, etc. Polyphia has been able to expand their audience while keeping die hard fans and that's a pretty big feat considering how drastically different their style is from what it used to be. But regardless of what you do - if you've got your niche double down on it man. Because that's really how you find success anyhow - do what you love and it will all work out. Then all you got to do is kick out that one ballad or two let those hit the radio lol And you've got everybody!

[@brandonle7225]

Polyphia's stuff definitely stands out among alot of genres. to me Polyphia music is like MMA of music which is why it appeals to such a wider audience

[@DavidDucaz]

That is an excellent analogy

[@TommyGunzzz]

Actually it's pretty boring

[@donjuanmckenzie4897]

What lmfao

[@fodassenaosei]

ironically they started to sound like a parody of themselves imo

[@ferdinandvonstephani4485]

Actually if I would play in a metalband I wouldnt care about girls or the money. I want to have fun, thats the main point...at least for me

[@guitarmeetsscience]

But girls and money are also fun too 🤘😝🤘

[@Lorddurango]

​@@guitarmeetsscience selling out for money and chicks... instead of doing what ya love. Yes please keep preaching this to artists...it's so healthy

[@guitarmeetsscience]

I mean, if you don't love it, don't do it.... I'm not preaching 'selling out', because you can also move up the corporate ladder and get similar results. Just saying that if that's a side effect, it isn't bad either.

[@orlanz]

Yeah youre right but keep the cash flowing in as well

[@NehemiahHughes]

He’s somewhat correct. However, there is more to music and life than money and girls. I genuinely like Heavy Music and it’s inspired many people while working out and for processing emotionallly turbulent situations that occur in one’s life. Music is deeply spiritual. Unfortunately, I don’t think Tim is quite aware of how spiritual music is…yet.

[@roundandedgeless.1218]

Yeah, no, no way the guy who gambled his entire life on music knows about the “spiritual impacts” of it. He just chose one of if not the most competitive industries he could’ve possibly chosen because?… You people sound dumb as hell. Put some respect on his craft. Say whatever you want about his attitude, despite anyone with a sense of humor understanding “money and girls” just means not wanting to be a struggling artist for his whole life, but he’s clearly a top-class musician with a phenomenal mind for composition. He wanted to be a rockstar, now he’s a fucking rockstar. cringing at what I wrote because i really don’t care that much but mfw, what a stupid thing to say.

[@m2-x-n253]

I'm into all music, but personally only into violin and piano, cz the deepness is so touching, guitar bands mostly as he mentioned just one by one going full shredding, like you're just playing for the sake of it which is why I was never into rock bands.....my liking started with the young solo guitar artist who does melodies/ drumming on a guitar.....then later I found POLYPHIA( Greek -ever changing).....I've listened to ego death/GOD/reverie for a week atleast twice......now that is a metal band, it's a song turned to more better guitar artists not just maniacly shredding without a path.

[@MrHaggyy]

He is not wrong. The metal bands that make a decent size all understood it and shifted from "core" to "arena-metal". But it's also because they wanted to be vastly different from other bands, had the skills to do it and build a business around it.

[@nylesfrench3568]

Money and girls were two of the three reasons to play Rock in tge first place. One could place music in their order of preference.

[@an_38kitkashyap]

The thing is...metal used to have hooks too. Even the prog band used to have something that'd sound engaging. And look at how big metal was back then and now

[@guitarmeetsscience]

Great point! Some of the best metal songs are catchy. A lot of it now is more about chasing epic vibes, etc .. The hooks get lost quickly.

[@Bob_Greasy_The_3rd]

Absolutely amazing take ngl.

[@guitarmeetsscience]

Thank you! 🙏

[@amnamuneeb1539]

... He's got a point tho

[@YeOldeBeane]

I think it depends from genre to genre. Metal is a diverse soundscape. Somethign like Jakub Zyteckis "wishful lotus proof" or animals as leaders "Joy of Motion" arent repetitive soloey stuff like what tim describes. In fact, both albums have more Jazz elements than ALL of polyphias records combined, while still being classified as metal.

[@guitarmeetsscience]

Those guys are deep! Great points

[@mikemike3760]

Very much cherrypicking

[@carnifex8]

He's not wrong but what should matter more for a musician is passion for music. And if you love playin metal, you will stick to it if you're not a sell out. In that sense im kinda dissapointed in him.

[@guitarmeetsscience]

Thank you for that comment - and you're absolutely right having a passion for the music is the number one thing. To be fair to Tim, I don't think he ever lost the passion, because you could see it in their current music how much they're into it. Had he have made a pivot to true pop that would have been a different story, but they sort of took more of the progressive approach that some progressive metal bands would have taken and then went with more of a clean guitar sound. I think it was more of a tweak than an actual jump in genres that they took. They seem as passionate now as they did in their earlier work when they were playing heavy. But that's just my two cents - that's the way it seems from here anyways. Thank you again I really appreciate it!

[@carnifex8]

@@guitarmeetsscience Yeah i get that too. He was more into the actual progression and seeing how far can he go with it and improve, rather than focusing on the genre itself. Metal was probably limiting him already. Worked out very well, he's like a guitar virtuoso at this point 🤣 Kinda like Tosin Abasi. Though Tosin still stuck with kinda heavy music and through that "ascended" to insanely skilled virtuoso too.

[@guitarmeetsscience]

Oh yeah! Tosin is a beast of a player - and interestingly enough his music while heavy also introduces a lot of jazz methodology. It's sort of an interesting intersection between him and Tim, Tim took a cleaner route while Tosin amped it up, but both of them introduce jazz in an interesting and similar way. Very cool that you brought that up - because there are actually a lot of parallels in their music.

[@carlosandleon]

yeah but all the famous metal bands ars sell outs. Sabaton Metallica Iron Maiden Black Sabbath Slipknot there’s not much of a difference.

[@carlosandleon]

also it’s not mutually exclusive shit like you can play some metal and you can play milder stuff that appeals to more people - which in the end sounds good to you as well. What’s with all the metal snobbery with metalheads anyway? This sense of elitism goes against what metal actually stood for back in the day

[@NPC999]

Makes sense. His music sounds inspired by money and girls, which it is.

[@tapanikangas]

A weird comment. I always had thought Polyphia is instrumental band, maybe few Songs with vocals, But its solos on solos, with some more solos. Would probably listen to it more if there were vocals.

[@b3rgyp00]

In the end of the day theres alot of too much of music to choose from, it depends on moods. My thing is that i like to listen to the originators of sounds, if i want to listen to guitar virtuosos theres hundreds of choices but theres OG choices in old rock i.e. jimi hendrix, van halen, petrucci, vastly different eras but they made a lasting impact and new original choices i.e. chon, animals as leaders, and periphery. Vastly different genres but they all influenced a era of guitarists. Same as djent l if i want originators i have meshuggah. If i want originators of trap prog i have new polyphia, unprocessed, ichika nito etc. Thats my thing wit guitar music, if it feels like a branch that is derived from a source id rather listen to the source. If i look at non-guitar ppls playlist im really confused by the choices, its either a hit single from a video game, movie, or a radio heavy single. And thats ALL they listen too. To most ppl music is a playlist of their childhood. To others music is a thing in the background to entice a mood. To others its rheir lifes work of influences. Most people dont even care for the originators magnum opus, if a michael jackson fan hears "al capone" theyll like it but its not their first choice. Do most guitar fanatics know eric jonhson made a new album in recent years or are they barely gonna recognize "cliffs of dover" just because they tried to play the riff. If i mention metallica every guitar nerd will know of enter sandman or master of puppets but will never care for "dont tread on me" or "frantic" its just ppl rather hear what they associate as a bands magnum opus. Same for rap fans, most dont even know Tupacs "smile" record wit scarface but "hit em up" is locked in the zeitgeist. In the end alot of metal fans gatekeep the sound but its only when theirs a circle jerk of ppl they associate with that they embrace a band or it has that originator influence in their sound. I think polyphia is jaded at the fact that they spent so much time practicing metal for neckbeards to hate them then love them again when theyre playing pop, but thats really just my opinion. I like guitar i dont care to make a career out of it, and alot of disgruntled guitarists or musicians want to judge everyone as their childhood OST when everyone is vastly influenced by many things.

[@guitarmeetsscience]

Easily one of the coolest and well thought out comments I ever received on a video. Thanks for sharing this perspective. I've thought of some of this kind of more unconsciously, but you put it into words - especially the part about Eric Johnson. I've dug some of his work, but haven't followed him closely enough to even realize maybe even the last five albums he has put out. There are a lot of groups/artists where I've had the same perspective. In terms of OGs....yep.And root-tracing, where you really like an artist, and start digging on who they came up listening to. So many layers. Great stuff man! 🤘🤘

[@TristenE]

This is classic media coverage that takes a snippet of what was said in an hour long interview way out of contexts and turns it into something completely different from what he meant. He talks about this exact story in his interview with Danny from dragon force. Go inform yourselves before jumping to any conclusions about something or something

[@guitarmeetsscience]

Believe it or not it was just a bored dude sitting on his porch practicing voiceovers straight into the phone and then chucking a bunch of images over it. Strangely this one got a lot of views.

[@Z-zl]

Shouldn't be offended by that. If anything, it shows how dedicated some metal musicians are to the craft.

[@IkechiUkazu]

Bruh he dont say any of this stuff maliciously. He's just making observations and facts

[@HairyNacho]

Saying “every guitar centered thing is solos on solos” is tone deaf for him to say. Polyphia is definitely a guitar centered band, and their songs don’t have conventional rhythm guitar, it’s pure soloing. Double oopsie. But I agree that he’s not being malicious.

[@pgman5416]

Solid opinion from a solid musician

[@myownbubble1]

He is %100 right and also they started as a deathcore band as you said so he is talking from experience

[@smokachu7290]

I agree new age metal is trash and redundant, but I will also say Polyphia ain’t shit either 😂 polyphia is melodic but it lacks soul but the guitar technique be hard, I’d say nothing more melodic than the blues but the pentatonic scale is easy

[@guitarmeetsscience]

That's a good observation and I think your spot on.

[@rebelrocker7494]

Wish I Could Play🎸We Could of Did a Collab,🎸🎸So Smart you Are,Great Ear you Have,You Rock🤘

[@guitarmeetsscience]

Thank you You rocking Rebel you!!! I will bet that if you got an ax, you'd be able to sling it in no time! Crank it through an amp Make some noise - that will be true Rebel rocking!!!! 🤘😎🤘🎸🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@aeourude3908]

Dude’s got a point.

[@Ishment]

I feel like polyphia is a great way for people who only know deathcore to branch out and understand a bit more of the fusion jazz style and still find the same enjoyment that they do with deathcore/metal

[@guitarmeetsscience]

Excellent point - and I agree. They managed to branch out and they still have some of those early influences. I could see some of their audience members crossing over as a result.

[@NeoFighterX]

this guy gets it

[@MarcusYensen]

Dudes a genius

[@Sammm1473]

Real musicians don’t do it for money or girls. They do it because they love it

[@memonomoto7419]

Lol just stop. People like Tim Henson did not become godly in guitar if he only did it for the money. He's just smart enough to know that metal is not gonna make him money, and he's correct. There is nothing benevolent about being a broke musician

[@wirt2663]

Yeah Tim Henson definitely isn't a real musician

[@superipermagererata5084]

I’m not sure if he’s serious with the money and girls thing but whatever reason he has his music is amazing so Idc

[@stenooo2439]

Idk what’s gonna happen with my band. We have a single and an ep coming out soonish. I just love playing with them. I don’t care to make money from it, although that would be nice and if the right opportunity ever came up I would be 100% in on it. I do want to branch out with my own personal music though

[@guitarmeetsscience]

Opportunities never 'come up'.... You gotta make them happen. Good luck to you! 🤘🤘

[@maJastoL]

Probably nothing

[@Krynis]

this is a year old now and the proof is in the pudding but I don't think he was insulting ALL metal bands just those struggling to find a place.

[@Rituaali_]

obviously hes not wrong but it sounds super disrespectful when metal musicians usually do what they do just for the love and passion for the genre

[@razztastic]

THANK you. It's like Tim just thinks your music is boring or bad if you're not getting girls and making bank from it. It's super hurtful and disrespectful, but I don't know why I expected personal depth from a guy with jaw fillers.

[@gab_gallard]

Thank you for having normal subtitles and not unintelligible word by word adhd-TikTok induced nonsense.

[@guitarmeetsscience]

Hahahaha Great feedback lol Thank you! I started going to the ADHD TikTok induced but now this inspires me to go back. 🤘😎🤘

[@jdilly935]

The dude is just an undeniable talent in a band with equally good players. They're probably gonna dip into every genre at some point

[@guitarmeetsscience]

Absolutely right!

[@Alexdeadman00]

He's completely right about all of that

[@Cerecyte1221]

I thought I was going to be offended. But I'm not. He's pretty much right. Hooks are incredible important. Too many metal bands don't have them especially in melodic technical Death metal. Though how popular are polyphia really? I appreciate their musicianship but ultimately I'd be surprised if they are particularly lucrative.

[@guitarmeetsscience]

Excellent points - and there are some metal bands that actually do have some hooks, so they're not seen outwardly that way and that is a great approach because those metal songs could be just as catchy as anything else. Polyphia is not mainstream by any sense, they're almost more like a best kept secret - but their fan base is definitely pretty strong and loyal and of course the caught the attention of Steve Vai, so their status is better than back when they were metal. But they seem to do this genre of music more comfortably than they did metal so I guess it works out

[@Cerecyte1221]

@@guitarmeetsscience I reacquainted my self with Polyiphia's music. I might be misinterpreting what Tim means by "hook". I thought he meant chorus, but after listening to them again, they don't seem to have chorus'. And honestly while i respect it as a guitar player, Polyiphia seems suffer in similar ways to alot of the Melodic technical death metal bands.

[@Therealmykag]

Idk what I was expecting but valid 😂

[@guitarmeetsscience]

🤘😆🤘

[@Casual_Gaming5]

Polyphians talking about "playing in a metal band doesn't bring girls" is like one nerd saying to another nerd that he's a nerd, when both of them are the most nerdiest students in the class 😂

[@dominohed]

I wouldnt rlly describe early polyphia as deathcore. More like djenty - technical metal. However i do think the drums were definitely very deathcore on their EP

[@FoivosApostolou]

Polyphia was never deathcore, what?!

[@renishika3945]

yea legit, what is this man smoking ahhahahahaha

[@jojo_thej8295]

@@renishika3945 they was way back in like 09, 2010, I believe they first album was pure deathcore

[@brandonlee1149]

​@@jojo_thej8295yep, man cant even believe its been like +10 years since then, feels like only a few months ago that i first heard the inspire e.p.

[@goldsage4722]

​@@jojo_thej8295i would say its more accurate to call it metalcore then deathcore

[@BRAAAIS]

They were in like 2010

[@joshalicea9870]

Since when was polyphia deathcore? I can’t think of a single polyphia song with deathcore vocals or breakdowns.

[@BandoBrain]

Go back to their very first project. Sonically is NOTHING like anything else they put out. I mean even before impassion and persevere, and you’ll see it sounded like typical metalcore/deathcore stuff.

[@Mark___933]

Only OGs will know

[@joshalicea9870]

@@BandoBrain I can’t even find it

[@daylight1908]

If you watch the evolution of tim henson he was shredding metal since he was a child lol that dude is something else 😂

[@poopgle]

long long ago...................

[@sparda9060]

Its also the fact that Tim got bored with the metal music too. He couldn't make music that didn't sound like the other 100 metal bands out there even when they tried to make them different from others with something in between but it still didn't bring them the attention they wanted to make money from it. Then he just went full hybrid music that adapts to anything and everything that was mainstream since their band's style can adopt and accommodate to whatever genre that their feature is.

[@guitarmeetsscience]

Yep.... They took a chance and as a result, it paid off.

[@benhovet1458]

He’s not wrong in a sense? Especially the more mainstream modern bands, the all just sound the same and have nothing to offer but the same shit. But the new wave of traditional heavy metal bands are incredibly diverse and have something different and cool to offer depending on who you listen to. Bands like Dream Tröll, Eternal Champion, or Enforcer have that old school background but add a modern twist to it. But idk everyone has their own opinion, we’re in a world nowadays where there’s so much content you kinda have to pick your poison?

[@guitarmeetsscience]

You're not kidding there - I've been listening to radio garden - especially the German stations which feature a lot of the newer metal bands, and there is some serious musical diversity out there that just blows my mind. I think for a while in relatively recent times things became kind of same old same old, but it seems like bands are starting to break out of that now pretty big time actually.

[@goodtimesgivecancer1]

The main problem is a lot of older metal nerds cant accept change, all they want is the same shit that theyve been listening to since they were teens and havent expanded their musical bubble

[@b3rgyp00]

There's so many bands I still haven't heard or came upon any of the bands u or the op channel commenter have talked about. I'm still fine wit CHON, periphery. Animals as leaders/mestis, intervals, plini and polyphia.

[@benhovet1458]

@@goodtimesgivecancer1 Lmao You’re definitely not wrong. My dad is a kid of the 80s and anytime we’ve gotten to this subject he’s always says “Everything has already been done, it’s hard to make anything new and exciting.” And I’ve always said “That’s not necessarily the case, there’s a lot of newer bands out there nowadays that have a lot to offer, you just don’t hear about them nearly as much because they’re not mainstream and there’s so many platforms. But they’re out there! You just have to look.”

[@benhovet1458]

@@guitarmeetsscience Absolutely! I agree! I’ve never seen so many different and diverse genres come out metal, if anything the past couple of years have been the most progressive as far as change and exploration within the genre!

[@cthulu4774]

honestly if u cant take this then youre in denial metal has really fallen off compared to the past and is more niche now. but tim is bringing more guitar into what people already listen to and i think thats cool even though some songs it isnt done as well

[@jt4843]

Metal isnt popular, vapor wave isnt popular, edm isnt popular compared to hip-hop and R&B so why would anybody ever do anything different? There should only be R&B artists and nothing else. Classical music, instrumental music of all varieties, classic rock, regular rock, anything slightly avant garde, I mean... they arent popular. Whats the point huh?

[@cthulu4774]

@@jt4843 notice how i worded it and said its more niche

[@bandolierboy1908]

Nobody outside of metal and maybe jazz is listening to Tim Henson. Nobody in other genres know who he is

[@dylanlapenna8513]

Music shouldn't be made purely for money and girls. That's the recipe to becoming a sellout. Money and girls are obviously good bonuses, but passion as the driving force behind music is what creates masterpieces.

[@YesJustTia]

tim Henson is the only Modern guitar that play and wrote with feeling in music compare to other

[@dylanlapenna8513]

@@YesJustTia well Polyphia is known for letting AI create a song and then they just play over it and add stuff. So there are some songs with more feeling than others.

[@cromulom2223]

@@dylanlapenna8513 what

[@Farfarawai]

​@cromulom2223 bro just likes to talk shit all of the sudden lol

[@Lips0fDeceit]

Im gonna assume he means the core type metal bands or the bands that don't do anything crazy and have a lot of stuff most people won't like such as growls and basic heavy riffs. There's a lot of successful "metal" bands out there. Nightwish, Rammstein, Avenged sevenfold being my 3 favorites are all metal or metal adjacent and are very popular and successful. It's all abt writing good music genre never matters (unless its rap or hip hop😅)

[@lao-ce8982]

I dont think he is worrying about girls.

[@davidlogan9829]

🎯🤣

[@ChrisZamundo-wp5bl]

Yeah I pretty much agree 100% it’s what I’ve been saying the last decade besides gojira and animals as leaders most every metal band sounds too similar or no hooks to remember, it’s like for some reason mid range vocals became uncool for some reason, back around the 2000s there was SOAD and mastodon, bands like that had a palette of low middle and high vocals with rhythmic and catchy parts but now it’s all a mix of death metal and djent which isn’t even done that well, it’s either death metal growls and screams with high pitched emo vocals, 95% of metal bands today I don’t listen to

[@bandolierboy1908]

Modern metal has become too saturated

[@notforurentertainment]

It’s based on his experience 😊

[@damienalvarez2957]

If metal was more popular, metal fans would be complaining how the bands they listen to sold out.

[@wehocommunitywatch]

I’m pretty sure what he plays on every song is a solo the entire way through. So I don’t get it. Pick a track: He’s basically shredding the entire time.

[@guitarmeetsscience]

Well the one cool thing about it is that he actually picks a simple melody and then just continues to adorn it. Still though his playing doesn't resonate with a lot of people - it's taken me a while to get it myself. Nevertheless I appreciate your candid comment 🤘🤘

[@sageofalltime7867]

He absolutely right.

[@evanarcher7083]

He’s 100% right

[@Heheha329]

There is heavy guitar music right now that makes some money but we just don't call it metal anymore I guess.And ye the musical vocabulary is kinda different but the sound is very similar

[@tinykitty24]

What do we call it?

[@1992Apocalypse]

In the 80's/90's , that would have made you a sellout. Now it makes you cool. Huh.

[@guitarmeetsscience]

Inflation 🤘😆🤘

[@theforrester2780]

Wow I’m used to Tim hate. I feel weird and dirty reading people agreeing with him. I like it

[@guitarmeetsscience]

🤘🤣🤘

[@casualcadaver]

Isnt the biggest most wealthiest band in the world Metallica though?

[@guitarmeetsscience]

I'd say they can rub a couple pennies together

[@michaelmireles7411]

I don’t really think he’s wrong, I mean, polyphia seems to be a correction from the exact opposite side of the musical spectrum to counteract the immense over saturation of the current metal scene

[@SaintKines]

He and the band were and are a much needed breath of fresh air. Someone had to come along and be the champion for the new school. Like there always has been. He's perfect for his era.

[@timd729]

Polyphia is a metal band lol

[@belleybutton4335]

He maybe right but the problem with Tim is arrogance. He's very much up his own ass 9/10 times and that's what makes people not listen to him. Doesn't matter how right you are if you got a shitty attitude noone is gonna listen.

[@guitarmeetsscience]

I appreciate you making that point. I never really picked up on it, but I'm not going to say that that isn't the case. Maybe it's all part of the schtick who knows... But being cool goes a long way

[@razztastic]

@@guitarmeetsscience It's definitely been a thing. Brandon Burkhalter, Polyphia's original drummer, was a massive crybaby about it and left the band in a fit, but that doesn't make it any less real. It's been like this for years. Every now and then Tim will say or do something that makes people raise their eyebrow and kind of go "...Dude, what the fuck?", but it's always forgotten about in a few weeks because Tim has basically zero social media presence aside from posting practice videos and demos. It sucks, because Tim is legitimately one of the greatest guitar heroes of the 2010s/2020s. It just got to his head so he's winding up like some docile, millennial version of Yngwie Malmsteen. That's why it's so impossible to say anything negative about Tim without people thinking you're just jealous. He's a virtuoso and one of the greatest players who's ever lived, so to Polyphia's fanbase of 16 year old boys it doesn't matter if he says anything wrong because he's better than everyone else.

[@dellebelphine-moralez3510]

People say that Polyphia “needs to go back to their metal roots and not this hip hop crap” but if you stop and think about it, would they had gotten the success they have now if they just did stick to their more metal/solo-tastic style?

[@guitarmeetsscience]

They definitely found their success when they started morphing their style. You absolutely nailed it on the head! I think a lot of metal heads are pissed at them though lol

[@dellebelphine-moralez3510]

@@guitarmeetsscience the so-called OG fans are always complaining about how they “should” just go back to the old sound

[@guitarmeetsscience]

They have broken too much ground recently. Granted it would probably be interesting to see their cake now on what they were doing. But I think what they're doing is awesome.

[@verivihattu1400]

Tim being a tad bit cocky.. I like it O//w//O

[@dtpolaris8265]

Changing your style of music simply to be more famous is not right. Do and listen to whatever makes YOU happy!

[@burninflames]

this is true if you want to be in the radio...which is normal coming from him.

[@6Heather6Hazard6]

Yep, it's sounds funny if someone wants to form a metal band to be rich and popular.

[@Goatythemeow]

where are polyphias hooks?

[@arsenalfanrichi]

Jazz and melody don't really belong in the same sentence, in my opinion. Jazz is just playing a collection of notes that work together without really having a defining phrase. I would dare anyone to hum a memorable jazz melody that a stranger would remember, by comparison, anybody can hum baker street by gerry rafferty and they, in fact, frequently do.

[@guitarmeetsscience]

Actually though I respectfully disagree on that one - unless of course you're talking about the soloing which can go in a lot of places. But often the main melodies or the "head" as they call it in jazz circles is the catchy part. That's really what identifies the song, it's basically the chorus. If you watch a jazz band play and people are improvising you will often see the leader all of a sudden point to their head which means to go back to the main part. Girl from Ipanema has a very catchy melody, birdland from the weather report is about as catchy as it gets - and can definitely be hummed for sure.

[@brntnutter]

Tim is the man.

[@guitarmeetsscience]

Tim rocks! 🤘😎🤘

[@SirKickz]

Interesting...my response, as a metalhead (listener, not musician), would be that yes, metal is not as financially lucrative as it used to be. But I wouldn't say that the metal scene has grown stale like he seems to be implying. I think there are a lot of interesting innovations being made in the metal scene, but those innovations aren't coming from the lead guitarists. It's coming from the vocalists (especially the female ones) and other musicians bringing new instruments and disciplines into the mix.

[@guitarmeetsscience]

That is spot on

[@brucemichaelgrossman4913]

If I could play guitar like him, I wouldn't pigeonhole myself into a metal band either. He's a virtuoso.

[@adrianaslund8605]

Being jazzy and melodic doesn't not make you a metal band. In that case Cynic, Plini and Animals as Leaders isn't metal. Or Dream Theater if your'e going for more melodic hair metal. Its not a contradiction.

[@guitarmeetsscience]

Very true - I think where Tim was going with it was that they wanted to get away from the typical metal trappings that they were into earlier on. In this case it paid off - because their music is considered to be quite accessible to fans of metal and beyond.

[@idontwantaname9750]

So being in a metal band isnt cool but jazz scatting on a guitar is?

[@Randomaccount9470]

Rule of cool in music If chicks dig it It's cool Simple as that

[@lucabeni1994]

Why don't you all listen to Taylor Swift then? Girls love her music 🤩​@@Randomaccount9470

[@arnauhernandez5228]

this is wildly over-simplified

[@deadwood21plus]

This is also what happens with Muhammed Suiçmez, he chose to become BMW engineer.

[@guitarmeetsscience]

I checked him out - great little rabbit hole you sent me down. The dude is talented. Very cool fact!

[@trevor4533]

Oh man, I completely forgot about him. That's pretty eye opening to say the least!

[@killjoycola]

He's got a point..

[@MetronomeSenpai]

Where is the whole video?

[@guitarmeetsscience]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/imLVlImZmayWitE

[@caseysweat9449]

Money and girls? Musicians don’t get either of those things anymore unless you’re a big popstar or a big rapper

[@guitarmeetsscience]

Pretty much!

[@Johnnysmithy24]

If I wanted money and girls I’d play Pop music

[@guitarmeetsscience]

They say it works!

[@yogasucipta2811]

They're practically pop

[@nishanth6403]

Literally this

[@brushot]

@@yogasucipta2811pop music for guitar nerds

[@illiatiia]

There should be a jazz metal genre mix. Death Jazz. 🤘🙂‍↕️🖤

[@guitarmeetsscience]

I like the idea!!!!

[@crist3809]

he is not wrong but his bands still lacking in many aspects as well 😂

[@jonathanlloyd8978]

He has spent too much times with a metal style with his band so i can understand that now with his experiences he wants to perform his style in a different way (that was never the case with all the bands we know.) he reminds me Paul Gilbert somehow

[@nano7586]

Well, he's right

[@ynghendricks8168]

True words

[@minusentity]

He's ahead of the curve. By the time y'all catch up, he'll be back to boomer bends. The circle of life.

[@nmnl6550]

he is honest

[@d4rkblu386]

He's definitely right, metal bands make no money. We're at the point where prog instrumental bands are making more money than deathcore bands. Deservingly so I think