Tim Miller and Sarah Longwell Explain Republican Voters Turning on Trump | The Wilderness Episode 2

[@pafie3425]

I’m an independent but we are all Americans. Everyone has policies that appeal to them but no one can have policies without democracy. If all of us as Americans do not stand against trump & his obsession to turn our democracy into a dictatorship all we hold dear is gone. Our ancestor fought & died for our freedom. The least we can do is vote to keep this traitor out of our White House.

[@stacyfoote9032]

Help turn out the vote

[@juliedahl1892]

I’m not colleges educated. Common sense tells you who to vote for. Morals, compassion. Dislike hate, demeaning , attacking people, threatening people is rotten to the core.

[@feliciawilliams2821]

Yes I agree with you about common sense

[@JR-pr8jb]

Ask 66-plus Trumpers, "How do you deal with GOP's hate for Social Security and Medicare?" "Would you be affected by a cut to Social Security?" Not all voters are cool young folks focused on abortion. SS is also a Woman's issue--35 MILLION female SS recipients.

[@subobing3551]

Yeah this is a great one for the older folks!

[@5amiann]

And lots of widows who would be destitute without their husband's SS. Especially those who didn't work or worked for low female wages.

[@hippodinoreserve6090]

It’s hard 2 put N2 words what a disappointment Nikki Haley is. If she plans 2 run in 2028, and she’s up against Kamala. It’s Kamala all the way.

[@davidwilliams1086]

Nikki coming back as a Trump acolyte was very disappointing. I don't think she wanted to, but being able to have an Republican . Job was her reason, I think. No job then no future as a Republican, so she sacrificed some ethics.

[@dilsadmeraler]

I love Tim saying his blood pressure going up 20 points in one minute because I feel exactly the same Of course I truly wish we could save all cult members from trump nonsense but they exist and we have to accept that. I hope more people who already know just go and vote It’s proven again and again that we are majority let’s show up

[@subobing3551]

Me too! I was feeling the same because it’s so disappointing!

[@stella-gx8ne]

Kool aid is the cure.

[@tyrnill]

We are all Tim: "I don't know how you do this, Sarah... My blood pressure's gone up 20 points in the last minute."

[@wakingdreamsroleplay]

I am a lifelong progressive and before Trump, I never would have been watching The Bulwark and never would have been introduced to folks like Tim Miller and Sarah Longwell. I watch Pod Save America daily but I also find myself watching The Bulwark daily and have a lot more respect for folks who previously were just "on the other side" . . . but now it's clear it's possible to disagree on some policies but to agree that Democracy is more important than anything else.

[@astrologerdawn1200]

Totally agree.

[@shang0h]

One of the incredible things that has sort of been happening the past couple of years is that while Fox and Newsmax and MAGA leadership have been pursuing deranged babbling about the "wokeness" boogie man, in the real world, using self awareness and an actual interest in good faith, people have been having the real conversations reactionaries pretend to want to have. Actual conversations among the left and the culture about some of the reality of the more rare but sort of puritanical side of fights on things like masculinity, trans teens, "cancelation", etc. and I've seen so many interactions in the real world be so much more NORMAL, relaxed, less worried about offending the hyper sensitive far left/MAGA people, and without liberals backsliding on their values or losing freedoms. I feel like places like the Bulwark facilitate a lot of this reality and honest conversation that so many people are desperate to have (and I pray they come out and vote).

[@sletourneau3]

I also found The Bulwark during the dumpy times. Great set of humans there. One of my daily watches/reads.

[@Pickn4Gold]

It's a good thing to hear opposing views, but when Tim said he and Sarah were Mitt Romney fans I lost all respect for them. Mitt in the weeks before the 2012 election had a secret recording come out on which he admitted he was lying about everything, the only thing he wanted to do was give tax cuts to the wealthy and let poor people fight over table scraps.

[@HillaryCampbell]

Same here!

[@thehoaofcoronadoplace2801]

How do these folks watch the events of Jan. 6th and think it was overblown???? Did they listen to the testimonies of those who experienced it???

[@Bertinator-nm9ld]

Probably not, no. They probably did not listen to the testimonies. I mean, even though I keep up with politics more than I should, I didn't even listen to most of the testimonies. Why would you expect normal tuned out people to have heard them?

[@anderstempel916]

they recite what they are told on FOX

[@JohnGraves1985]

Trump said he could grab women by the pussy leading up to him becoming President in 2016. He called veterans losers, he mocked disabled people, he mocked women he sexually assaulted, he threatened people with violence if they protested him, and people made him President. So if they could vote for him even after all that, why would January 6th be any different?

[@spamtownhamilton6200]

@@Bertinator-nm9ldYeah I think you're probably right that most did not watch. Many may have assumed it was a witch hunt and didn't see it as worth their time to tune in. Also people just like, have sh*t to do and everybody can't take several hours of their day to watch each time. I personally listened during work while doing stuff that didn't require my full attention. It was such a well-done and compelling sequence of presentations on the investigation so I'd encourage you or anybody else to view all of it if/when time does eventually allow. Something interesting that I learned after-the-fact was that they actually hired some director (or some other role associated with the movie business in Hollywood) to help them plan their presentations in order to better organize the narrative so that people watching would be able to follow along and understand the information they were presenting. As in, "include testimonials from folks in the Trump administration together on day x along with information from x part of the investigation, and Jan 6th video footage from this source" etc. The Hollywood person didn't get to twist info or fabricate or anything like that, they just provided input that helped the public to understand context, like why this information is significant and how it is relevant/contributes to the broader context and that kind of thing, if that makes sense!

[@davidwilliams1086]

How could anyone miss that? How does anyone vote for Trump knowing capital police were injured or killed?

[@Paula-sw2tt]

I am 68 years old. Until tRump, I was not political at all, but if I had to choose it would be left leaning Democrat. More often than not I would vote, but didn't have a strong opinion on the candidate. I didn't like either Hillary or DJT in 2016. But I have come to "...hate Trump passionately", so I voted for Biden. This time around not only will I vote blue 💙 for President, but all down the ballot. tRump must not win in 2024. I will work to keep that from happening, because he will destroy our country!

[@cliff5043]

I'm a long time, basically life-long, Republican, and I know that I will be voting for Biden. Again. Primarily just to keep Trump out of the White House. But, having said that way, Biden has done a much better job than I expected him to do when I also voted for him in 2020 to remove Trump from office.

[@privatevendetta]

I hope that in the future you will again be able to make your voting decision based on policies not on saving democracy.

[@stevenwilgus5422]

THANK YOU! I left long ago.

[@cainabel2553]

What has Trump done that wasn't moral legal and perfect?

[@1qtaz]

​@@cainabel2553ha ha!

[@omarwright7942]

@@cainabel2553 You can figure it out if you think about it.

[@malenateves]

People I know who are still voting for Trump won’t believe me when I tell them facts about him. I think part of the issue is they refuse to be wrong. Deep down (the good people) don’t want to face the shame they’ve been mislead. It’s hard because I keep trying but they won’t even discuss it!

[@aliceanneacts6164]

Yeah, I hear you. I think that’s where we have to listen and play a long game. Can’t go head on or scold or do anything resembling “I told you so.” It’s hard and exhausting and takes longer than we want it to…

[@hazelbickmore4228]

That is just sad.😢

[@marmorme797]

De-programming is needed at this point, for many.

[@kathyjones274]

Tell them no one will know who they vote for in the ballot box and they can feel safe to vote for Bieden a good and decent man whose doing a great job for the American people.

[@stefaniemagee]

I wonder if there is like a hotline or a website we can direct folks to that need help 'getting out' of the cult.

[@GlassSpiider]

As ever, Tim's face is a perfect reflection of what I feel listening to focus group voters

[@richardvickrey4786]

Jon, this is the 2nd In the Wildernesses podcast I've had the privilege to watch. It's another winner! My dream for a while now has been to see the 3 best politically oriented channels coalesce. Amazingly, this is happening! The synergism generated by the cross pollination of The Lincoln Project, The Bulwark & Pod Save America is stunning! There are other wonderful groups & individuals (Brian Tyler Cohen + Glenn Kirschner, The Meidas Touch Network featuring Michael Popok, Faron Cousins & Jesse Dollemore) but collectively, all of you guys with your high-minded ideals just MIGHT save America! God knows our country NEEDS to be saved! Thank you for your service. 💙

[@bevtaylor5466]

Pondering Politics is also good. Culture, Faith and Politics presents a Christian view that is anti-Trump. And Thom Hartmann has been covering politics so long that he knows the backstories.

[@dlcs1406]

GREAT episode! Please do it again.

[@ashleighschneider8859]

Thank you for continuing to be hopeful about the Senate. Democrats have to be in charge of Congress and the Presidency to combat this lunatic Supreme Court - hope must remain alive!

[@kellylee1328]

Oh yeah, Bulwark and PSA, two of my favorites together 😊

[@judgement_free_dragon]

And Brian Tyler Cohen brought me both. 💙

[@Ann-xg8dx]

The Supreme Court wouldn't disqualify Trump, so the VOTERS have to do it

[@lucibjlb]

Good pod. Love when you guys combine (Pod and Bulwark). Very intelligent conversations.

[@curtisevans4100]

Old and white and Reagan Republicans. You just described me, lol. (I'm 57.) Except I bailed on Trump in 2016 when he came down that escalator lol.

[@stephanysmith5524]

Just couldn't stomach being associated with the GOP anymore. Switched parties After voting for Biden in 2020. I wanted to be a Rep Suburban Woman who did NOT vote for That Orange Man. Won't go back...I prefer kindness, freedom & fairness.

[@Childlesscatladywi]

I switched in 2016! I could feel the hate and see the nasty way he was to women! If nobody said it to you yet, Welcome! Let’s save America 🇺🇸! 💪

[@maryhalverson5713]

Unfortunately, our current president's behavior has been even more disrespectful to women, and he's pulled some despicable shell games on seniors of late that has many up in arms and massively disgruntled.

[@NicholasThorn-Sermeno]

Thank you for your integrity and courage.

[@maryhalverson5713]

@@NicholasThorn-Sermeno There isn't a sĺiver of integrity in the nest of sniveling rats who've infested the Democratic party.

[@arcticgoddess]

​@@maryhalverson5713Hi Mary the troll! Here you are at your workplace! How has Biden been disrespectful to women? Trump killed equal wages for women, and put Supreme Court extremists on who removed women's rights for healthcare. What has Trump EVER done for seniors, other than billionaire ones?. Biden fought to get seniors $35/month insulin instead if $1000, and their max prescription costs are now $2000/year as opposed to $6,000 on average. I'm sure you will reply with sources!!!! 😂😂😂

[@ficialintelligence1869]

The people on the fence really think "the media played it up worse than it really was"? Really? *_Really?_* What's _wrong_ with these people?

[@christys413]

Yeah, I was with Tim in that moment (i.e., head in my hands).

[@dfuher968]

U should try listening to the entire Focus Group podcast, Sarah did regarding those focus groups. I just wanted to bang my head against the wall all the way through! The media blaming, the false equivalences, the "its all just politically motivated, thats clear", and much worse..... Her Focus Group podcast is very hard listening, its unbelievable, what ppl say. She has the patience of an angel sitting through that and just letting them speak. But I think, its very important for those of us living on Earth 1 to know, how these ppl think. Which is, why Sarah does these focus groups, that I would NEVER be able to sit through 2 minutes of! But fair warning, whatever beverage or food u use to soothe urself, have it at the ready while listening. And have something planned for afterwards to cheer u up, coz u will need it!

[@ficialintelligence1869]

@@dfuher968 I live in a very red county in Northern California. I've heard -- and still hear -- the way these people think while I waiting in grocery lines, at coffee shops, at flea markets, etc... There is something very wrong with these very disturbed people.

[@chrisyates326]

I can’t believe anyone is at all “on the fence”… ridiculous

[@emma1166]

They are brainwashed. They are lied to again and again and unfortunately, they are part of a cult and it is really hard to get out of there. They trust Fox News are giving them the reality, the truth, but it is not at all... It is a very sad phenomenon. We need to be inclusive and to welcome them if they change their mind one day! THis is so important to discuss with them without hate and with comprehension and to try to understand them.This is exactly when we do that that they will clic on the false information... We need to help them get out of Trump's and MAGA and Fox News brainwash.. It is reality. It is sad. Do not cut the link to your family if they are part of the cult.

[@kateespencer764]

When I listen to these focus groups I want to scream, cry and shake the shit out of these people!!! I just hope that as these groups are conducted they are also given correct information to counter the misinformation 🤦🏼‍♀️

[@robynnordstrom7799]

Sarah’s focus group podcast is equally informative and infuriating. The people regularly say the most convoluted, bonkers stuff-it’s maddening-but I am fascinated by it.

[@maryhalverson5713]

Never trust any source that is sponsored by Pharma, Boeing, Raytheon, Blackrock, or the insurance industry. In other words, don't expect the truth from any branch of the mainstream media, most of whom have members who've frequented Epstein island and have a great deal to hide.

[@thestraightroad305]

People in the process of changing their paradigm may need patience, conversation and welcome to a different perspective.

[@nomadpurple6154]

No, they aren't, who would attend if it was a lecture to them? If you want people's truthful opinions then let them give their opinions without judgement. Then take that information and work with it to persuade far more people, working within their belief system rather than berating them and telling them they are stupid. You can have a quick short fix of scolding to satisfy your feelings or you can act with logic to achieve your long term goals.

[@maryhalverson5713]

@@nomadpurple6154 Changes in attitude can take time. I'm ashamed to say that, in spite of viewing the Clarence Thomas hearings where Biden denigrated Anita Hill, as well as footage of him fondling kids & insulting constituents who caught him in lies, it still took the DNC's mistreatment of Sanders for me to fully realize the Democratic party had devolved into an unsalvageable state of gentrified lunacy.

[@lisaober731]

Thanks for all you do Sarah. You rock so hard.

[@rikachiu]

People who change their mind by simply seeing a higher price tag for butter boggle my mind. How do they suppose Trump will reduce costs? Magically? Do they really think Biden wouldn't reduce prices magically if he could? How dumb.

[@richardhoner7842]

Speaking of prices, it is forgotten that back in 2020 Trump begged the Saudis and Russians to CUT oil production. Why? To INCREASE the price of oil!!! To bail out the US oil industry. They did cut production and Biden inherited the mess.

[@Pickn4Gold]

Tim saying he still supports Mitt Romney blows my mind, after the tape came out weeks before the 2012 election where Mitt admitted he doesn't stand by any policy proposal it was all just a show to get lower taxes for himself and other rich Republicans.

[@krs1968dec]

Such a good point. 👍🏻

[@MayorMcC666]

unfortunately calling people dumb isn't a compelling argument either

[@rikachiu]

@@MayorMcC666 There are no other words to describe them. We live in a world with free access to unlimited knowledge. What do you call a person who rather believe in magical things and nonsense instead of taking 5 minutes out of their doom scrolling to look up the data and correct information?

[@lauriestrong9972]

Tim and Sarah are two of my favorites. Raised in a republican environment but became a liberal democrat when I became an adult. These two hit the sweet spot for me

[@matthewferguson8369]

Getting Trump voters to vote for Biden would be great, but I think there's an even greater chance to get people to just not vote at all. It's only half as effective, but it still counts a great deal. Perhaps a Republican can't bring themselves to vote for Biden, but you may appeal to their values not to vote for someone who is a rapist, says disgusting things about his own daughter, cheats on all 3 of his wives. Some people will still hold their values close enough that you could convince them not to vote for a person like that.

[@leec5170]

This is true. Both my mother and a friend said they will not vote for Trump, but refuse to vote for Biden. My argument to them has been, "Do you agree that Trump or Biden will win the election? If you feel that Trump is not fit to be president, then in essence you are already saying that you prefer Biden. Voting for Biden does MORE to prevent Trump from winning than not voting for either.". Not sure if it will work, but even if they just stay home, I'll be okay with that.

[@linusfingesi2222]

And you think there are not Dem voters that won't sit it out as well!?

[@leec5170]

@@linusfingesi2222 Why would they?

[@linusfingesi2222]

@@leec5170 well I can tell you that a lot of Black Men (and for now) Middle Eastern Americans are planning to sit this election out....don't be deceived by the MSM when they tell you "Black Men" sitting this election out is a myth, because it isn't (especially for those between the 20 - 40 years demographics) But only time will tell if 2024 will beat 2020 in terms of turnout or will there be a lull in votes due to Voter Apathy....because yeah there are people who hate Trump with a passion, but let's not kid ourselves, Biden doesn't have people in droves that love him as a POTUS, I would dare say many vote for him because Trump is the alternative. If the GOP had picked another Candidate, I would bet Biden would lose the election badly, but it is what it is.

[@MissJami]

Go Sarah! Go Tim! Favreau is doing solid work.

[@Bengal9172]

I left the Republican Party after January 6. The Republican Party has turned into something that I cannot support. I will not vote for trump! I am hoping he goes to jail and MAGA fade away

[@stacyfoote9032]

Vote blue down ballot that is how they fade away and convince all you know to do so too

[@cynthiashaw45]

It took me longer. I knew I couldn’t support the entire GOP when the senate refused to find trump guilty of insurrection. Mitch McConnell saying take him to court is why he wasn’t shutdown. Whose job was to make sure the out going president didn’t have things still checked out? then allowed him to leave with documents? I am ready to prosecute the smaller big fish while we wait.

[@Jackie371]

I'm a Democrat, but with you on the rest. It's not even normal anymore. McConnell really changed the way congress (no longer) works.

[@jimfishalot]

, ​@@Jackie371

[@sumernoel1553]

Excellent episode. 👏 Some of my favs. Love you all! Could you consider doing an episode on EACH swing state & what’s happening in these places? What are the issues? The challenges? Ways to help? Etc…..Sorry for such a big, presumptive ask, but it feels so important & THE POD covers these issues so well. Never hurts to ask! Many thanks for what you’re doing! 🙏

[@leec5170]

If he's a convicted felon, why not ask people how they feel about voting for someone who can't even vote for himself!

[@ssshar2176]

I bet you Ron DeSantis will create a bill that will allow only Trump to Vote. It’s that sad.

[@noreenconstantine4612]

They're convinced he's been persecuted wrongly

[@Mario_bland]

I just imagine him voting anyway. Just live voter fraud lol

[@jamesbruce8749]

They don't care, he makes the none racist normal people they hate crazy and that's what they are voting for.

[@leec5170]

@@noreenconstantine4612 They are convinced of many things that aren't true. I think pointing out that he's an actual felon might at least make some people think twice. The really hard-core MAGA types won't change their minds no matter what, but some others might.

[@WordSmooth]

I like the concept Harry Dunn offers, which is that we need an adult in the room running our country, someone who puts country before self.

[@kennethroe4321]

This episode has lots of good stuff for how to convince voters. This is like gold. Incredible discussion.

[@sincerelyme-777]

Never Trumper enthusiastically voting for Biden!

[@FactsMatter87]

WootWoot team pro-normal!!!

[@christopherm6725]

Same. Im a Christian who will be backing Biden. Can’t stand Trump.

[@ReadMoreHistory-v9u]

Thanks Never Trumper! Love, a liberal. 😉

[@leec5170]

👍👍👍🇺🇲💙

[@Anaris10]

HOW'S THAT WORKING FOR YOU? LOLOLOL!

[@nancychandler3673]

Pragmatic voters will vote Biden/Harris 🇺🇸

[@tinydancer2607]

Lefties don’t do “pragmatic”. Y’all just scream and curse like whiney babies

[@E36FTW1]

Don't think we're some kind of monolith. Voted Johnson in 16 Biden in 20. Not voting this time. They both suck and Biden doesn't get my vote just because he's not Trump

[@plod985]

@@E36FTW1 Sounds like you’re voting your personal morality. But in a two party system, we have a choice. We will have a president from one of two parties. Do you prefer autocracy or normalcy?

[@tinydancer2607]

@@plod985 Do you prefer biological men getting changed in front of women in locker rooms and bathrooms and competing against women in sports or do you stand for women being respected for their biological sex and their rights to live and compete against their own gender? Asking for some moral clarity and to just check you haven’t caught the woke mind virus. Thanks

[@themaestro7922]

Well let's motivate every pragmatist to get to the polls, then

[@lovetrioni]

Tim's face at 30:42 That was me as well These people have been lied to. It's sad that they believe these lies 😢

[@michelehamilton961]

@lovetrioni They chose to believe his lies. They want to believe. They deep done agree with him and we can’t trust them.

[@communitygardener17]

You all are my hope for our country's future. Thanks for the work you are doing.

[@JR-pr8jb]

It's unlikely, but I pray that Trump shows up for even one debate on national TV. Everybody who's had a relative with serious dementia would recognize what's happening to his mind.

[@DawnRace-bh6tp]

Great point! I hope he shows up as well…he will certainly lose that debate. The problem is that the Trumpsters will deflect, whine, cry about the debate, saying it was rigged, etc. Trump has his cult trained well in that behavior. Hannidy already started crying about it to lay the foundation in case of a loss.

[@epic4821]

Great Job, as always. !!! You guys keep me sane. Thank you 👏

[@miajones6410]

Blue 2024!

[@bemmiebemmerich]

Sarah Longwell is a treasure, I could listen to her for hours.

[@jessicafalstein]

me too.

[@kirstenolsen8807]

This was so hopeful to hear! Thank you Sarah and Tim!

[@lindarichmond1197]

Wow! Great reporting. Thanks for putting this together. Very heartening.

[@carochio8639]

Yes. We need to keep America safe.

[@aileeno143]

Someone very clever , with wide coverage in media, should make a new documentary about early trump, people who may not have heard about his scamming out of paying his bills, walking into miss World changing rooms, the small business owners whose lives he destroyed. Something tiktoky, that will catch interest

[@aliceanneacts6164]

Good point! I was already not into him, but a story about him cheating a piano dealer when building the Taj Mahal Casino really stuck with me and confirmed my “never Trump” status. They used it during the 2016 dem convention.

[@robynnordstrom7799]

Didn’t someone just screen a movie about trump (“The Apprentice”)? I read an article this morning that the trump campaign sent them a cease and desist letter.

[@aileeno143]

@aliceanneacts6164 that man has no one's interests at heart except his own, everyone willing to listen should hear that story

[@aliceanneacts6164]

@@aileeno143 agreed. I never liked him, but hearing from a real person in his own words how he was manipulated and effectively defrauded by the Trump org helped me get it in a deeper level. I think that kind of experience might reach some folks who haven’t been reached yet. But it does need to be presented in a way that allows the listener to save face. Otherwise they will just put up their shields and blinders and not let it in.

[@ben614]

I'm a long-time friend of the pod (I listen to pretty much every episode) and I LOVE the seriousness of this new series. The music and the tone of the writing really frame it as the serious moment it is, instead of one more episode that I can watch over dinner and share in a facepalm.

[@blanchecuevasramos7970]

Yay!🎉 tRump voters who don’t like tRump! Keep America Safe and Free 🇺🇸💙🇺🇸💙

[@hippodinoreserve6090]

These are the Biden Republicans 🇺🇸🎉❤️💜💙🤞🙏

[@christinem9183]

wut?

[@debrasmith4675]

“ Messenger matters. Make it salient.” A whole lot of distilled wisdom in this segment.

[@JamesDio-yu5yd]

Well, if that the case, it only took them 8 years to see past trump BS thank goodness for that.

[@bruchadamo]

Trump = Chaos (we've already seen it); Biden = No Chaos (we know this). I vote for no chaos.

[@austinkowalski5512]

I voted trump in 2020 and went to 2 of his rally’s here in Michigan. After the election lies and January 6th, no more Trump for me!

[@noahhorst8288]

I think it is vitally important that if and when people do cross over and vote blue, we MUST NOT make fun of them or say “told you so”. As tempting it is to do that, we must embrace them with open arms

[@aliceanneacts6164]

So much this. I’ve been never trump from the jump and was already drifting away from the GOP, but I still cringe when I get an I told you so. Like Tim, I’m willing to own my part in how we got here, and scolding from the left does not help me to do this.

[@noahhorst8288]

@@aliceanneacts6164 I just have a feeling that there are many republicans who don’t change their vote just because they know people with give em shit on both sides

[@LP-ct9nk]

Eh. Those who want to embrace people who took forever to face reality with open arms can choose to do so, but I think those who are tired, cannot find it in their heart to forgive those who helped enable a lot of damage in the time it took people to realize said terribleness, and those who got hurt from said inaction shouldn’t be obligated to ignore how they feel or stating the obviousness. I can’t think of many sectors or groups of society who could repeatedly choose a terrible decision and then not get called out on past mistakes just because they happened to choose the correct one after multiple mishaps. Yet this is a grace I see afforded to conservatives begrudgingly leaving the party lol. Especially when you consider that a lot of conservatives who choose to vote more blue usually only do so after they themselves get personally burned in some way by republicans (and not because of how the party treats others not in their preferred financial bracket). Honestly after this election many of them will jump back to republicans if they manage to lead with someone who’s genteel and doesn’t say all the quiet parts out loud. I don’t see how coddling them to help them ignore how their prior actions led to someone like trump (Reagan was the blueprint) allows them to begin the accountability needed to prevent those mistakes again

[@aliceanneacts6164]

@@LP-ct9nk do you want to win or be right? I want to win…

[@stormelemental13]

@@LP-ct9nk So? You're tired and morally righteous and want to tell those vile sinners how they should have repented years ago, and just because they've seen the truth now, doesn't absolve them of their guilt. They need to truly understand, to humble themselves. To beg for forgiveness. Preacher man, that method hasn't worked for a long, long time. So do if it want to, can't stop you, but it's not going to do a thing to help Biden win, and that's what matters, not your self-righteousness.

[@russcarvertruthjedi259]

They lost my dad when he passed away last year. At least he will no longer be voting against his own grandchildren.

[@matthewdievendorf9609]

What made me honestly despise trump is how he sits there and uses people to do his bidding so he has plausible deniability and he takes no responsibility for his actions all while destroying the lives of the ones he uses. He has been shown as a weak and ineffective leader on almost every level who cares only about money and himself.

[@rb-pk8ds]

Yes!!! Stop just repeating "he's old", "people worry that he's old" and remind them he's a leader with a huge young knowledgeable staff giving him advice and getting stuff done!

[@AS-oy5rg]

Thanks, Jon, for your comment on Democrats winning the Senate. I agree!

[@letiziasparks2902]

On one hand I appreciate the calm manner these three individuals are speaking about the impending doom looming on November for our country and all its citizens. However, they don't seem to be displaying anytime of panic that many women and people of color I know are experiencing. I don't know if its because they are entrenched in politics and are "broken in" with our two party system and no matter what if you are White and especially a White male in America you are basically fully protected. They may lose media platforms, make less money, have their healthcare slashed, but they aren't going to be gunned down or arrested based upon their skin color or saying "what did I do wrong officer?" and end up in jail because of the support of police gangs and their cart blanche authority over people of color. I'm pissed, angry, scared and full of anxiety and that's every day because of what will happen to our country if DT wins. Are they scared or is it more a philosophical quandary for them? I'm not saying they should stop raising awareness, but to be clear, if shit goes down these three individuals will be sad but they will be safe simply because they are White. Side note.......based upon all the data we have for the last 30 years on DT and media footage accessible, why not reach out to rich people who may care about other citizens and buy some billboards across America and state in simple terms if you elect DT you lose your civil rights as an American, or something to that effect. Keep it simple and direct to the point. Show him holding hands with Putin and Kim Jong Un while launching missiles and dead citizens at their feet. That may be savage but look we are at a point where people are so overly stimulated by the same information regurgitated specifically about DT that our tiny human brains are just turning off the mass negativity. Or another billboard with DT showing the facts that he was convicted/liable for "sexual abuse" aka rape and is fined for the sexual violence. By the way why isn't DT on the sex offender registry? A billboard showing his evangelical supporters praying to Trump and a bible quote about beware of false idols, with that information across a static board across America would be a substantial move. It would bee seen by people who drive highways and freeways, people would take pictures and talk about it and it would be interesting to see if some of those rural, red hardline areas would reconsider Trump being a good choice. I'm not really a Biden fan, but I'd choose him over Trump anyway because this really isn't about Biden its about our freedoms as citizens and with 6 Supreme Court Justices in DT's pocket that's enough to freak out in general. Biden isn't as strategic of a politician as I would hope for, but his cabinet is, so I'm praying but I'm still scared.

[@jayneseanard3110]

Don't take it for granted that everybody's getting this information. I'm in Northeast Pennsylvania and I am surrounded by Trump supporters, an entire church across the street supports him and are proud of it. All his propaganda is working on a lot of people around here, it is mind boggling. They are normal people thay believe him, they dont know anything about what is really going om.

[@leec5170]

You have probably just described 50%-80% of Trump supporters. They are in a bubble and only hear from other Trump supporters and churches and right-wing media. In other words, they are lacking knowledge of the facts and are not horrible people.

[@DawnRace-bh6tp]

The propaganda is real….folks are very open to absorbing Trumps crap, they are desperate for a “cult like” leader, as they are weak. 😥 So sad.

[@aliceanneacts6164]

Double Bulwark Crossover!!! Yay!!!

[@lisaober731]

Love ur highlights Sarah

[@marycozart6717]

And he was already found guilty in the E. Jean Carroll case… that hasn’t seemed to make a difference!

[@lindaahzrauhn9554]

I’m old {85). A lifelong Democratic. Postgraduately educated. Professional educator. Design consultant. Grandmother. Living-as-Christian. To me, You’re “young”. My suggestion for “what to do”: Ask them to tell You what they think and listen to them tell You their stories, as if You’re a loved grandchild, wanting to know about their lives.

[@pam18ram]

Thank you! Love you guys and what you are doing, much love. Grateful

[@doloresg1582]

Thank you for this discussion on the never Trumpers. The more we hear the more we are encouraged and we need the encouragement.😊😊

[@frankfrankenstein5933]

Vote blue to save our democracy!🇺🇸💙🇺🇸💙🇺🇸

[@azusa9963]

I am an independent voter of boomer age with a progressive viewpoint. I really enjoy listening to Sarah and Ben. Tim, not so much. Great pod, Jon! Thanks!

[@JR-pr8jb]

The Nikki Haley anti-Trump protest vote is hugely significant. Not the current numbers, but what it says about presumptive Trump supporters.

[@lauren_kawakami]

Great discussion! So important to get non-MAGA focus group info! As Dems, it’s vital for us think outside of our bubble. Thank you Sarah, Tim and Jon!😍

[@NJFraser10]

Great conversation! Thank you!

[@wynonasbigbrowndragon6121]

I really like Tim Miller, but it still puzzles me how a gay person ever felt at home with the GOP, even pre-Trump

[@simplymincy]

Agreed. It's strange but I've been reminded that Gay white man are still white man. They tend to lean more Republican. Also, the democratic party were not always as pro LGBT as they are now.

[@tulsacaupain2882]

It surprises me just as Black people who vote for trump.

[@wynonasbigbrowndragon6121]

@tulsacaupain2882 every time Trump says that he's done more for the black community than Abraham Lincoln, I always want someone to say, "What specifically?"

[@Bertinator-nm9ld]

Not everyone votes along racial lines or gender identities. Those groups aren't a monolith. Some people have other priorities that are more important to them, when it comes to voting. Expecting one group of people to all vote for you because of a social/societal group they belong to IS Identity politics.

[@wynonasbigbrowndragon6121]

@Bertinator-nm9ld I'm not a politician, I'm a queer guy 😂 There are different priorities, and then there is literally voting against the interests of yourself and your team.

[@HopeWins777]

Welcome to the wilderness. That phraseology is perfection.

[@nolanwoods4173]

I would like to know more about the local news diet, as these stations are mostly owned by Sinclair group, which is super right wing

[@doloresg1582]

Thanks for this very enlightening discussion about Trump voters.

[@twirlingswirlinggirl]

Go get 'em Team BLUE!!!

[@randr302]

I just love Tim Miller!!

[@curtisevans4100]

They think the media was OTT on Jan. 6? You can never be OTT on Jan. 6.

[@NikosZaidGomez]

Hahahaha 49:00 is killer. What a time to be alive, where 5% chance of a dictatorship is "meh" to some. To be fair, the whole point of asking is to make it patently absurd to whoever is answering with it, but the fact that it's still a dynamic is bizarro world.

[@veramentegina]

I read Guardian and listen to BBC, MSNBC, NPT.. a lot of us do that, at least here in CA.

[@courtneybrubaker9738]

Why can’t you ask what they care about and show them what Trump says about it? Border security? Show them him saying kill the bill? Women’s right to choose? Show them Trump claiming women must be punished. It’s sales 101. What does the customer care about and can you meet that concern in a way that they will buy.

[@JR-pr8jb]

It's kind of disgusting hearing Miller refer to ANY Republicans as "our people."

[@s22t]

It's true. They both worked and voted for the GOP for a long time...before Trump

[@alicewatson7864]

Love a Bulwark/PSA crossover. I know everyone is busy saving democracy, but more of this please!

[@Gwen2010ish]

Terrific…CALM…discussion.

[@cathytouney8205]

👏👏👏👏👏👏💪 Thank you for doing this work!

[@donschiffer7400]

I hate to say this but I see never trumpers being brought back into the fold in spite of my best efforts. The constant barrage of rhetoric is winning them over.

[@Sunny14136]

good conversation

[@sclaw954]

THANK YOU SARAH! Remind ppl about abortion- idk why it isn’t mentioned daily in news

[@MostlyMom]

Loving the crossover of these two pods!

[@stacyliles5534]

Great discussion. Let's all keep doing to work to win in November.

[@ColtHarding]

Great series. Really good idea.

[@hazelbickmore4228]

It is not just Trump they need to not ,vote for, it is also all those in the congress, senate and governors who are following the same agenda as Trump. 🙏🇺🇲🗳🟦

[@GlassSpiider]

Can somebody get Florida Orange Growers or whatever that group is to come out against Trump? He's not doing their brand any favors.

[@astrologerdawn1200]

This was a brilliant episode!

[@jeffreyjohansen4021]

Really good pod cast. Thanks.

[@deerobins9086]

Its great to listen to sensible discussions. It gives me hope that americans will do the right thing. As usual uk follower. 😂🖐

[@LogicAndReason2025]

Advice to daughters of Republican women; get one of those Halloween handmaid outfits and wear it on voting day to remind them what they are voting for, or against. Also chant "Unified Reich, under his eye", as often as possible. We have to make it personal.

[@courtneybrubaker9738]

Yes!!!!!!!!!!! Visuals are powerful.

[@courtneybrubaker9738]

An idea that is driven home to the mind through the eye, produces a more striking and lasting impression than any that goes through the ear.”

[@LizChurchill-p8w]

Exaggerated about what happened in the building? HOW did they fake all those photos, in REAL TIME???

[@mrbigg2u]

Great listen..... worried from the UK

[@hestergnu6627]

I love these crossover episodes between Pod and Bulwark

[@dyerseve3001]

Tim looks pained whenever they play the audio clips. 😂

[@denisecrawford5289]

Thankful for all you guys. We need the message❤

[@km4262]

Thank you for making the choice clear!!!! You are totally right-the issue is people who are cult members