TIMEMORE SCULPTOR 078S 064S - The Flat Burr King?

Timemore Sculptor 064s 078s 064 078 Review
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Timecodes:
0:00 - Intro
0:37 - overview
3:00 - burrs & thoughts
12:20 - Standart
13:30 - workflow thoughts
15:00 - Taste Test
18:00 - sound test
19:00 - retention
19:30 - final thoughts

[@KyleRowsell]

Thanks for watching! Liking and subscribing are always easy ways to support the channel! Also here is a short video addressing further comments for comparative burr testing: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qJKom6WQqLShqtk

[@jacquesolivierv]

Awesome video Kyle. Did you do some comparaison vs the Niche. I currently have a Niche and Im thinking pulling the trigger on the 78S. Btw Looking forward to try your beans soon !

[@walkerck]

Thanks for your preview on these two grinders. Is there any chance you can include product dimensions in your gear reviews? Usually you can find them on their respective websites but sometimes they are lacking or appear inaccurate. The whole will it fit aspect can't be underestimated.

[@jacquesolivierv]

@@walkerck They are on the Kickstarter page

[@walkerck]

@@jacquesolivierv I've seen the numbers there but they don't appear to be correct as far as my eyes can tell.

[@dakulala]

Hi Kyle, whats your take on this new sculptor 64S compare with DF64? Is it worth upgrading from DF64 with stock steel burr to this 64S?

[@TheTobynorth]

Really appreciate this video, Kyle! Awesome depth and glad you have called out the quirks that you encountered. I must admit I am even more delighted to have backed the 78s (and am still waiting for a huge rug pull to bring me right back down to earth...)

[@garrettmiller1822]

Great video as always, Kyle. I backed the 064s already and you pretty much addressed everything I was curious about. Definitely gave me some peace of mind about my decision. Thank you!

[@Seritias]

The Timemore C2 basically got me through my last few university years, and now that I have an actual income, the Kickstarter price of the 78S seemed like just the right thing to stretch my budget a bit and get something really great for the price. Very glad to see that I don't have to face any buyers remorse about backing it just yet.

[@libradrag0n]

Thanks Kyle! I appreciate your passion and review. As always, you've clarified the differences. Thanks for your integrity.

[@KyleRowsell]

I appreciate that! Thanks for watching

[@AlexCamerony]

Thanks for getting this video out! Really helps me feel better about bumping up to the 78S from the 64S. Keep up the slick editing, that intro was great!

[@KyleRowsell]

Thanks Alex!

[@AnotherAnonymousMan]

Respect for doing this without it being sponsored and an excellent review comparison as always. Thanks!

[@KyleRowsell]

I appreciate that!

[@FunWithTheBugs]

Such a detailed review. Great stuff and appreciate the honesty and transparency. Wishing you luck with your new company!

[@KyleRowsell]

Thanks!

[@df540148]

Excited for the video. I backed a 78S to finally upgrade my Mignon that I've been not terribly happy with, like forever. June can't come soon enough!

[@alecfotsch3533]

You are really great at what you do Kyle. Thanks for a very informative and well composed video!

[@KyleRowsell]

I appreciate that!

[@arianyazdannik968]

I just remembered how MUCH I missed your reviews after watching this video Kyle. Super excited to receive 078 seems like a very nice grinder. Can't wait to discuss more about it in the discord!

[@KyleRowsell]

Thanks Arian!

[@Miikegross]

1000% agree

[@alexbian2079]

Just backed the Kickstarter for the 078S about 2 hours before the video went up. Thanks for a great review and I'm excited to try the new grinder!

[@KyleRowsell]

Have fun!

[@kevintanaka4351]

Kept holding off on getting a Niche Zero and eventually ended up going with the 1zpresso K-max and love the coffee it brews. When the buzz started about a new grinder from Timemore, I started to reconsider getting an electric grinder. Only do pourer, but like knowing if I ever venture into espresso, I'll be ready with my 78s. Thanks to you and Lance for your review and setting my mind at ease about my choice!

[@MikeG4936]

I backed the 78S the day the kickstarter launched. SUPER stoked on this grinder - can't wait to get mine!

[@HannesNitzsche]

Thank you Kyle, I’ve changed my Kickstarter pledge from the 64 to the 78s after watching your video. I only drink filter and don’t live in CA or the US, so I’m hoping that eventually I’ll be able to buy the turbo burrs separately. What convinced me to upgrade is the noice of the smaller unit and the peace of mind a stronger motor provides. Your thoughts on these grinders are very much appreciated.

[@Andrew-wp1bz]

Great video as always! The 078s is a very compelling grinder. I just purchased an Ode Gen 2, and hand grind for espresso. If I was looking for a grinder right now, I would probably back the 078S.

[@brandonclodfelter4612]

Miss your weekly uploads! Keep em coming, great review!

[@KyleRowsell]

We’ve been busy with Septembers launch. Weekly vids will be back!

[@CoffeeXmusic]

Great video! So glad that I came across this video, last 2 days for the discount price 😊

[@samuelll3166]

I don’t often comment on your videos but this review was put together brilliantly! Thank you for the transparency and consumer focussed information. I doubt I will ever be able to afford any of these grinders but learning certainly helps me feel connected to the coffee community. Thank you for what you do, Kyle.

[@KyleRowsell]

Glad it was helpful!

[@mohammedrizwan2350]

Thanks for this in-depth review! I backed the 078S and am even more hyped for it now!

[@KyleRowsell]

Glad I could help!

[@moxalis]

Such a lovely and well structured review, and straight to the points. Just got a new subscriber. Thanks for the video!

[@KyleRowsell]

Thanks for watching!

[@abludwig]

Thanks for the review. I mainly make v60s with my virtuoso and occasional basic espressos with my bambino plus and figured the 64s may do a good job on both of my use cases. This was the first video of yours I watched and enjoyed very much. Thanks for the info!

[@erikngomez]

Wow this video is legit and I'm barely 30 seconds in. Fantastic cinematography Kyle!

[@KyleRowsell]

Thanks!

[@kissmartong]

I backed the 064s a week ago, and just couldn't wait for a recension. Thank you! This will be my first electric grinder, I only have conical hand grinders for now. I'm getting tired of hand grinding. 😂 I mostly brew espresso, and I think 064s would be a right choice.

[@JoseCinnamon]

I too am going to upgrade my good old comandante for this. Loowing forward to see the effect it has on espresso quality

[@clegg2005]

Thanks Kyle! I backed the 78S to lock in that $499 price, and I was hoping someone would get a review in before the kickstarter closed. I am now confident in my choice. Also, I really enjoyed September Coffee when I first received it, but I was amazed how much better it was a couple weeks after receiving it. It definitely benefits from resting (which is so hard to do when you are excited about a new coffee). Keep up the good work!

[@KyleRowsell]

Glad you enjoyed it! And thanks.

[@syuwono]

Thanks for the review! Planning to get the 078s as I like to drink straight.

[@corymorhart123]

Thanks for this! I now feel better about my backing choice of the 78s.

[@KyleRowsell]

Happy to help!

[@nibsabbath1825]

Hey Kyle, thanks for the awesome review (and the awesome coffee--seriously, i cannot stop thinking about that pink bourbon). I backed the 078s because it seemed like, on paper, it really checked all the boxes. Feature rich, all-purpose, aesthetically beautiful, low retention, and all at a super reasonable price. I am now 100% certain that i made the right choice and man am i excited to replace my current two-grinder setup! Can't wait til June!

[@bren.r]

Locked in the 078S. I returned a Breville AIO unit after a few months in I began having issues with the built-in grinder. Since then, I have been doing pour overs and I really miss my espresso drinks and the workflow. I kept holding off on getting a new espresso setup because of gripes with other grinders, but it looks like this this ticks all the boxes, so this is pretty exciting stuff!

[@ithinkits8674]

Thank you Kyle for an amazingly shot and quality video, as always! Additionally, really appreciate your attitude towards giving viewers your absolute honest thoughts on the product. Keep it up💪

[@KyleRowsell]

Thanks 🙏

[@MetalPirate]

Great review, I backed for a 78s when they launched it since I can replace my Gen 1 Ode and Eurka Mignon Facile with it and sell them. I drink my espresso and filter coffee straight most of the time and it will basically be my end game grinder so seems it's a good pick.

[@coenwouters6808]

Thanks for this review!! I already had a o78s in order, happy to see the result is great. I currently have a Mazzer SJ with cheaper aftermarket replacement burrs, i bet this o78s will blow that one away :)

[@c4li]

Great video! I backed both the 78S and 64S, exited to get my hands on them.

[@KyleRowsell]

Enjoy!

[@73alfayellow]

I backed the 78S on launch day although I just splurged on a Lagom P64, which I already adore. I will decide if I will stick with the 78S as a secondary grinder or cancel. I am tempted to keep it coming for the price for sure.

[@TheArgetho]

Glad i have pledged on 78s ... can't wait until June

[@atavax3420]

happy to see I'm probably right to have preordered the 78S. I have to say the black version looks so much better than the white imo.

[@Aspireonthego]

Thanks for this, this was helpful! Got the 064s on order.

[@KyleRowsell]

Glad I could help!

[@marcusteng2649]

I actually back 64s. Cause I have extra ssp burrs from my df64.. but after hearing the sound coming out from the 64s change my mind… I change and back 78s instead.. u are a saver!!!

[@JeffWestbrook]

I backed the 78S and it sounds like that was a wise choice. It will be used next to my Niche for espresso, although at some point one will likely have to go. Can't wait to experience the flat burr difference for both espresso and filter. Great review, Kyle!

[@jeffmattel7867]

ok

[@dtonpbac]

I use both Comandante and Lagom P64 with SSP MP and the difference is easily noticeable for both filter and espresso.

[@HaaniJaber]

​@@dtonpbac you mentioned there is a noticable difference, which one do you like more?

[@dtonpbac]

@@HaaniJaber I usually drink light~light/med-roasted coffee for both filter and espresso so I prefer the enhanced clarity that I get from SSP MP flat burrs. But even for dark roasts especially when I do filters, SSP MP burr creates much less bitterness due to more uniform grind profiles so I prefer that as well.

[@siphawtia4647]

Thanks a lot sir for your review and for your honesty 🙏 ❤

[@KyleRowsell]

Thanks for watching

[@smithsmith7808]

Glad, i backed the 78s i originally chose 64s and update it. Cant wait for june for the fullfillment.

[@jmc0806]

Can’t wait for my 078s now. Thanks!

[@KyleRowsell]

Thanks for watching

[@jesse1691]

I’m so glad I watched this. The sound of the coffee grinding in the 64 killed me on the inside sadly 😂. I switched my pledge to the 78S

[@marcusteng2649]

Same here🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@kulbertistvan]

Same for the DF64V, it is screaming like hell😂

[@grumstolen555]

@@kulbertistvan I've been in love with the DF64V for its looks and promise for a while now, but after the first reviews I got so turned off by the noise it made! I have now backed the 78S. Felling good about it!

[@JoseCinnamon]

Same although my wallet was like "bro?"

[@melkermillton5030]

Exactly the same here!

[@ballentphoto]

Firstly thank you for the review. I initially backed the 064s but after your review now I switched to the 078s because I have been chasing that sweetness. I mostly do espresso but occasionally switch to pour over and based on your review it seems I would get better pour over with the 078s. Thank you again

[@KyleRowsell]

Thanks for watching

[@coffeeistheanswer5923]

@Kyle Roswell thank you awesome review! You mentioned the 064s has plenty resolution for dialing in espresso, but the 078s not so much. Did you encounter trouble dialing in?

[@SantiagoHernandez-bj3mb]

I am a 64S backer and big reason I chose it was that I already own both the SSP MP and Lab Sweets that I been playing with on my Mazzer Mini A. I figured I would put the Lab Sweets in my 64S and keep it as my Filter Grinder while leaving the Mazzer Mini for Espresso.

[@Misnos]

Thanks for the well put together reviews!

[@KyleRowsell]

Thanks for watching!

[@gromek]

Thanks for the awesome review! I backed the 64s and also the Nanofoamer Pro to pair with my Flair Signature. Looks like I made the right choice! Maybe you can also make a review on the Nanofoamer Pro as well in the future? Cheers and looking forward to more videos! PS hope you can try some Philippine beans next especially specialty Liberica and Arabica.

[@peterlin6419]

Wow Kyle coming back with the review we’ve been waiting for.

[@KyleRowsell]

👋

[@peterlin6419]

I really want a 078, but i just bought an ode gen 2 😢.

[@KyleRowsell]

@@peterlin6419 ode is sick! Don’t regret, just enjoy and buy good coffee.

[@peterlin6419]

@@KyleRowsell for sure. Thanks for the review all the same!

[@diogoafonso7506]

Kyle, a video I would sugest you to produce would be on how to align the 078s burrs. It would make sense when people get them on their hands!

[@WTFA54]

Just found your channel and I've been bingeing your comparison videos! I've been trying to decide if I want to get the 64 here, the ode v2, or just grab a refurbished ode v1 and put in their v2 burrs. I'm leaning towards the last option since I'm just planning on using a hand grinder for espresso and these will mostly be for coarse Aeropress recipes and french press with an occasional V60. Thanks for all the informative and entertaining videos!

[@jamesb.ofdesertdistrict567]

Have been waiting for weeks! Great vid Kyle

[@jamesb.ofdesertdistrict567]

(Yes I watched it in 2x speed to get through it fast….)

[@KyleRowsell]

Awesome! Thank you!

[@rodravenstein8075]

Thanks Kyle, you made my day! I'm a backer of the 64S, mostly pour-over with medium roast but I like a full bodied cup. Seems the 64S is right for me. Any thoughts on the hopper? both size and slope. Seems you had to nudge a bean or I might have been seeing things. Thanks Kyle!

[@joperez8003]

backed the 064s and I'm hoping it'll make a decent, first electric espresso grinder. I'm not too fussy with my espresso and tend to drink milk based drinks so it sounds like I made the right choice. thanks for the review!

[@KyleRowsell]

Hope you enjoy it!

[@wakeawaken430]

I love that you are not competitive with each other and you exchange knowledge about coffee You got it, i mean about your mention about lance's video 😉

[@KyleRowsell]

Yeah! Love lance. Thankful for all he’s done for the community, anyone who says otherwise is bitter ha

[@calangolima]

Love the rhythm and tone of you voice. Great video, BTW. A bit confusing, sometimes, but great.

[@KyleRowsell]

Thanks! May I ask what was confusing?

[@madogonzalez]

Great review 💯💯 Makes me feel way better for supporting the 78s!! I was thinking I was going to end up using this as espresso only, with my trusty Ode with gen 2 burrs for pour over. Now I’m even wondering if I’ll end up needing the ode still if the 78 is even better!

[@MrMengaa]

I have ssp 64 burrs that plan to use with Ode version 1 but I failed. So I have backed the 64s and plan to switch to the ssp, and you seem to confirm that my thought was right.😊

[@brentroman]

Thanks for making this video. I wish (in a perfect world) it could’ve posted prior to the KS launch, but sometimes know that isn’t possible. Thanks for being super transparent with how this video worked. Looking forward to seeing a review of yours on the DF64V which I believe should give the 78S a run.

[@KyleRowsell]

I wish I could have too! Thanks for watching!

[@grumstolen555]

Isn’t the kickstarter still live? I just backed the 78s today after watching Kyles review! :)

[@AscendedHawk]

Thanks for the review. I've been meaning to get a new grinder and have been on the lookout for a few of them, including the timemore grinders. which would you recommend more if you were to compare the df64p against the 78s?

[@marcelloo87]

First time viewer here, solid review! You have a new subscriber :)

[@KyleRowsell]

Welcome 🙏

[@RobertFHarrison]

I went with the 078s for the espresso. I already own the Ode gen 2 which I love for pour-over. It may be that n+1, where n is the number you already own, is the correct number of grinders.

[@erinkoss8009]

Great video and comparison. Thank you!

[@KyleRowsell]

Thanks for watching

[@infn]

I bet on the 78S right at the Kickstarter launch. Thanks for the encouragement!

[@KyleRowsell]

You bet!

[@AlexLaika]

Fantastic review Kyle ! Thanks for the amazing work, backed the 64s and the 78s and was waiting for the review to decide, think will go for the 64s ! Thanks a million !

[@KyleRowsell]

Nice! Enjoy

[@ycming]

why ? is it because mainly milk drink you make I am currently backing.both too

[@AlexLaika]

@@ycming I was worried about the unability of the 64s to grind light roast, but apparently not an issue at an higher rpm. Dont think i'm willling to pay double just to grind light roast at 800rpm. Looks like the 78s is a beast thou...

[@user-vl8vj3mp2f]

Thank you very much for the great review (as always 😊) How would you compare the 64s to the Lagom Mini, for a first time grinder? I know they are totally different types of grinders (flat vs conical), but it seems to me that both are all purpose grinders with a similar price tag..

[@KristianMortensen]

Hi Kyle So - this is exciting. Could you maybe - maybe on the discord, run a shot on both on slowest and fastest setting to see the grind time and possibly the noise with a db measure app?

[@bettercoffeequest]

Time to up my grinder. Been long enough with the Baratza Encore.

[@NwinDii]

The noise comparison between the 3 really sold me on the 78s

[@DanDaCosta]

I backed the 064(no S) just for filter and would be interested to see your thoughts vs the lagom mini , or whether I should swap the burrs out.

[@Creed132UNC]

Just upped my pledge from the 064s to the 078s based on this review. I was okay with all of the cons you listed with the 064s until you did the sound comparison. That is a huge deciding factor for me with 3 young kids so thank you for doing that! I usually have to search across videos to try to figure out which sound will be least disruptive.

[@halliehallo100]

It’s a preproduction unit, I’m not sure if the sound is the normal intended one.

[@Creed132UNC]

@@halliehallo100 yeah, I thought about that, but I'm hoping the production units will probably sound no worse than these and the sound of the 078s sounded like something I could be happy with.

[@_Brewn]

My 078 is coming on monday 🙌

[@maxuttech1028]

Thanks for the great review! How would you compare the 78s to the 64s with MP burrs? I use a conical for medium and dark roast espresso, but want a dedicated grinder for light roast espresso.

[@ofirshachamorov5979]

Thank you so much for the video! I backed the 64s, I’m a beginner at the grinding part of things… this is my first electric grinder, and I was wandering if I should upgrade for the 78s? I’m usually drinking at home a moka pot or a V60, but I am looking to get an espresso machine in the near future

[@CommandoAtin]

Would you recommend upgrading from a Lagom mini to either the 78s or the 64s? Or should I be saving for a pricier grinder to notice a bigger taste difference after the upgrade?

[@machineslave3]

I got the 78S and I’m super excited.

[@KyleRowsell]

Nice!

[@nferi85]

Thanks for this video, very useful! I have backed the 064s and I am very concerned about its sound level based on your tests. Was this so loud during the entire test when you were grinding or could it be a one-off thing? Thanks very much!

[@SkinnyGeek_1010]

I'm waiting until my new P100 comes to try out those new September beans! Off topic but have you had to adjust the Slayer shot dial in process with the P100 and HU burrs? I have one on order and I was wondering if the faster flow will change that 20s pre brew / 25s brew process the Slayer dial in chart uses?

[@droidtigger]

I was considering this, but then I saw the DF64v and pre-ordered right away (currently have a DF64). Have you seen that around yet?

[@aggelospan3151]

Hi Kyle! One question. How much of an upgrade do you think the 078s is to the df64p i currently have? Should I just get SSP burrs for the df64p or just get the 078s? TIA

[@grasgreenfilms9496]

Thanks for the great review!❤ I do have a Turin DF83, but I'm not all around happy with it. I'm thinking of buying the 078S now. As you can compare the DF83 with the 078S, what would be your recommendation?

[@chris_hall_music]

Great review. Looks like the 078 has bridged the gap between the d64 and lagom p64, with some nice workflow flourishes. I’ve switched my backing from the 064 to the 078s based on seeing these burrs in action, and also hearing the differences in motors. As good as 064 looks, that motor doesn’t sound great in comparison. I wonder if the 064 is brushless like the 078. Doesn’t sound like it. Excited to get brewing!!

[@td_dubz447]

I’m glad you were one of the first to get review out on these! I was looking at the varia vs3 for some time because of the aesthetics and price range along with the reviews but once this was announced I waited and backed it on kickstarter. Do you have a recommendation on whether I should stick it out and get the 64s or the varia? You mentioned talking about kickstarter in the beginning and never really went into detail later.

[@KyleRowsell]

For espresso I’d recommend the 64s over the varia. The varia is great as a filter grinder but I’m slow to recommend it for espresso because if it’s gearbox.

[@coffeecove7058]

Thank you for doing this review and have been waiting for the espresso review of it. I backed the 78s on Kickstarter, but was torn between that and the 78 turbo burrs for the great reviews I've seen. I would love to buy one of each but doubt it. May just buy the Turbo burrs separate and use both. Would that cause problems with alignment all the time? I do not know that much about grinders or changing burrs. Thank you.

[@classicrockonly]

You single handedly convinced me to hold out and save up my dollars for the 78s. Above all other grinders I considered. I sure hope my (breaking) Eureka holds out until I can get my hands on one! I want my light roast espressos to go next level EDIT: just kidding. Couldn't resist. I backed it.

[@flamehead213]

I have an Ode1 with SSP-MP and a second Ode1 with Gen 2 burrs for filter coffee. Now I’m intrigued about getting the 078S and sell maybe the Ode with Gen2 burrs. Decisions!!!!😅

[@Reeezeful]

Do the cups u grind in, fit into a E61 basket (like the niche zero one does for example) ? It makes it very easy to get coffee into ur basket after grinding

[@maheshprabhu]

I have a Niche and I want to wait and see what 78s offers that is better or different than the Niche. Hoping for more comparative reviews.

[@XxLogo]

So what would you say the difference in pour over taste wise is between the 64 & 64s? I mostly brew pour overs, but was curious about the flexibility in the future for grinding for espresso. I do have a hand grinder I can use, but is it worth it to stay 64 for a mostly pour over use, or should I get a more flexible grinder in the 64s at a loss of say sweetness/clarity?

[@amouslow490]

Hi Kyle. Thanks for this informative video. What are your thoughts between the Turin DF83 and the Timemore 078S?

[@mships72]

@kyleRoswell. I just order the lagom mini after seeing your video. Would you recommend the 78s instead of that ? Thank you for putting such great videos out there!!! Appreciate it

[@VarmDild]

Hi Kyle - thanks for the video! Question: what's the grind-speed like for a doubleshot espresso (18-20g) on the 078s at your preferred rpm?

[@brenthronik6066]

Thanks for putting this video together, Kyle! In the market for a good "entry level" all-around grinder and just pulled the trigger on a Fellow Opus after watching your vid on that vs the Encore(first vid I've seen of yours, fantastic!), and kind of having buyers remorse on that(but can still return that). What are your thoughts on that vs the 64s?

[@chrisj6190]

I couldn’t buy the 064s with it running so close to the edge that slowing the RPM down a bit overloads it / causes shutdown. Needs more overhead (more powerful motor), can’t imagine it will last if it’s being pushed to it’s limit every time you grind. I’m pretty tempted to buy the 078. Nice review.

[@TheDusty0ne]

Wow it seems these grinders more or less are as good as promised!

[@KyleRowsell]

Rarely the case, but here we are!

[@keithlilja7157]

This was an epic review, so stoked that you got your hands on all these! What's the workflow like on these when making espresso (any quirks or things that feel odd or impeed workflow)? How fast is the 78s grinding for espresso at the different RPMs? Also, what about the 78s compared to the DF83 with stock itamill burrs in terms of taste and flavor?

[@t0m714]

Another brilliant video Kyle. I appreciate how much testing you do before the video, and that you refer to your blind taste tests, without having to re-run lots of taste tests during the video. Since you’re one of the few reviewers to have done a detailed review on the Arco, I’m wondering how it stacks up to the 064S, and if there’s any point keeping it? I.e would I be better selling the whole thing and getting a 1ZPresso hand grinder instead?

[@archidoug]

Love the B Roll! Backed the 64S! Hope it is as good as you reviewed!

[@KyleRowsell]

Hope you enjoy it!

[@danjennings5068]

I'd love to hear a more thorough sound comparison between the three of them. Aramse's video made the 78 sound glorious, but the 64 sounds a bit more mechanical/drill motor in your video. It could definitely be down to preprod units, as they claim they're the same types of motors. I'd written the 64 off in favor of the ode G2 because of the price, but didn't realize how steep the kickstarter discount would be.

[@philipurquiza]

Thanks, Kyle!! Do you think it is likely that SSP or other manufacturers come with compatible 78mm burr sets?