TIMEMORE SCULPTOR 078S 064S - The Flat Burr King?

[@KyleRowsell]

Thanks for watching! Liking and subscribing are always easy ways to support the channel! Also here is a short video addressing further comments for comparative burr testing: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qJKom6WQqLShqtk

[@jacquesolivierv]

Awesome video Kyle. Did you do some comparaison vs the Niche. I currently have a Niche and Im thinking pulling the trigger on the 78S. Btw Looking forward to try your beans soon !

[@walkerck]

Thanks for your preview on these two grinders. Is there any chance you can include product dimensions in your gear reviews? Usually you can find them on their respective websites but sometimes they are lacking or appear inaccurate. The whole will it fit aspect can't be underestimated.

[@jacquesolivierv]

@@walkerck They are on the Kickstarter page

[@walkerck]

@@jacquesolivierv I've seen the numbers there but they don't appear to be correct as far as my eyes can tell.

[@dakulala]

Hi Kyle, whats your take on this new sculptor 64S compare with DF64? Is it worth upgrading from DF64 with stock steel burr to this 64S?

[@libradrag0n]

Thanks Kyle! I appreciate your passion and review. As always, you've clarified the differences. Thanks for your integrity.

[@KyleRowsell]

I appreciate that! Thanks for watching

[@AnotherAnonymousMan]

Respect for doing this without it being sponsored and an excellent review comparison as always. Thanks!

[@KyleRowsell]

I appreciate that!

[@Seritias]

The Timemore C2 basically got me through my last few university years, and now that I have an actual income, the Kickstarter price of the 78S seemed like just the right thing to stretch my budget a bit and get something really great for the price. Very glad to see that I don't have to face any buyers remorse about backing it just yet.

[@arianyazdannik968]

I just remembered how MUCH I missed your reviews after watching this video Kyle. Super excited to receive 078 seems like a very nice grinder. Can't wait to discuss more about it in the discord!

[@KyleRowsell]

Thanks Arian!

[@Miikegross]

1000% agree

[@kissmartong]

I backed the 064s a week ago, and just couldn't wait for a recension. Thank you! This will be my first electric grinder, I only have conical hand grinders for now. I'm getting tired of hand grinding. 😂 I mostly brew espresso, and I think 064s would be a right choice.

[@JoseCinnamon]

I too am going to upgrade my good old comandante for this. Loowing forward to see the effect it has on espresso quality

[@QuentinPeters87]

Great review! Been waiting for that! Thanks!! Only thing that fell a bit short was how the 64s with the SSP MP burrs did taste and performancewise compared to the standard 64s burr and also the 78s . Cheers

[@fabilemusic9992]

Interesting point. For me especially 64s with SSP vs 078s for filter

[@KyleRowsell]

I had filmed this but the video was over 30min long. And I felt most people would appreciate this as a separate video, which we will do in a comparison in the future.

[@QuentinPeters87]

@@KyleRowsell Great! Looking forward to that review! So just for a quick hint… u think i should stick to my plan of using SSP MPs (that i already own) and put them in the 64s that i backed?! I want to do everything from Espresso to french press with the grinder. Do you think there is a better option for that within the Sculptor grinder family?!

[@KyleRowsell]

@@QuentinPeters87 Also just added a short to address this question. You can watch it here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qJKom6WQqLShqtk

[@QuentinPeters87]

@@KyleRowsell Awesome thx!!

[@JeffWestbrook]

I backed the 78S and it sounds like that was a wise choice. It will be used next to my Niche for espresso, although at some point one will likely have to go. Can't wait to experience the flat burr difference for both espresso and filter. Great review, Kyle!

[@jeffmattel7867]

ok

[@dtonpbac]

I use both Comandante and Lagom P64 with SSP MP and the difference is easily noticeable for both filter and espresso.

[@HaaniJaber]

​@@dtonpbac you mentioned there is a noticable difference, which one do you like more?

[@dtonpbac]

@@HaaniJaber I usually drink light~light/med-roasted coffee for both filter and espresso so I prefer the enhanced clarity that I get from SSP MP flat burrs. But even for dark roasts especially when I do filters, SSP MP burr creates much less bitterness due to more uniform grind profiles so I prefer that as well.

[@infamousgbear]

Great video as always, Kyle. I backed the 064s already and you pretty much addressed everything I was curious about. Definitely gave me some peace of mind about my decision. Thank you!

[@FunWithTheBugs]

Such a detailed review. Great stuff and appreciate the honesty and transparency. Wishing you luck with your new company!

[@KyleRowsell]

Thanks!

[@Tobyjrn6297]

Really appreciate this video, Kyle! Awesome depth and glad you have called out the quirks that you encountered. I must admit I am even more delighted to have backed the 78s (and am still waiting for a huge rug pull to bring me right back down to earth...)

[@jfparent22]

Merci!

[@clegg2005]

Thanks Kyle! I backed the 78S to lock in that $499 price, and I was hoping someone would get a review in before the kickstarter closed. I am now confident in my choice. Also, I really enjoyed September Coffee when I first received it, but I was amazed how much better it was a couple weeks after receiving it. It definitely benefits from resting (which is so hard to do when you are excited about a new coffee). Keep up the good work!

[@KyleRowsell]

Glad you enjoyed it! And thanks.

[@AlexCamerony]

Thanks for getting this video out! Really helps me feel better about bumping up to the 78S from the 64S. Keep up the slick editing, that intro was great!

[@KyleRowsell]

Thanks Alex!

[@erikngomez]

Wow this video is legit and I'm barely 30 seconds in. Fantastic cinematography Kyle!

[@KyleRowsell]

Thanks!

[@peterlin6419]

Wow Kyle coming back with the review we’ve been waiting for.

[@KyleRowsell]

👋

[@peterlin6419]

I really want a 078, but i just bought an ode gen 2 😢.

[@KyleRowsell]

@@peterlin6419 ode is sick! Don’t regret, just enjoy and buy good coffee.

[@peterlin6419]

@@KyleRowsell for sure. Thanks for the review all the same!

[@samuelll3166]

I don’t often comment on your videos but this review was put together brilliantly! Thank you for the transparency and consumer focussed information. I doubt I will ever be able to afford any of these grinders but learning certainly helps me feel connected to the coffee community. Thank you for what you do, Kyle.

[@KyleRowsell]

Glad it was helpful!

[@Lautreamont1868]

Hey! Thanks for that great review! I just missed a bit more Info on the SSP MP "upgrade" for the 64s... if i already have SSP MPs would that be the best "do it all" combo? (64s with SSP MP) Thx

[@KyleRowsell]

So, maybe. The SSP MP are a fantastic burr, one of the best out there for filter. But it’s not very versatile, imo. I think the espresso it creates can be polarizing. Some love it, but many don’t. It lacks body and mouthfeel. If that’s alright with you or you just want crisp filter, for sure. Especially at the Kickstarter price. Variable rpm, 64mm and zero retention for $299 is a winner in my books. Maybe a different conversation at the full price in a few months.

[@Lautreamont1868]

@@KyleRowsell Awesome thanks! So you think the stock burr would be a more versatile option if i prefer espresso with more body/ mouthfeel?

[@ithinkits8674]

Thank you Kyle for an amazingly shot and quality video, as always! Additionally, really appreciate your attitude towards giving viewers your absolute honest thoughts on the product. Keep it up💪

[@KyleRowsell]

Thanks 🙏

[@alecfotsch3533]

You are really great at what you do Kyle. Thanks for a very informative and well composed video!

[@KyleRowsell]

I appreciate that!

[@intervallum]

I’m so glad I watched this. The sound of the coffee grinding in the 64 killed me on the inside sadly 😂. I switched my pledge to the 78S

[@marcusteng2649]

Same here🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@kulbertistvan]

Same for the DF64V, it is screaming like hell😂

[@grumstolen555]

@@kulbertistvan I've been in love with the DF64V for its looks and promise for a while now, but after the first reviews I got so turned off by the noise it made! I have now backed the 78S. Felling good about it!

[@JoseCinnamon]

Same although my wallet was like "bro?"

[@melkermillton5030]

Exactly the same here!

[@alexbian2079]

Just backed the Kickstarter for the 078S about 2 hours before the video went up. Thanks for a great review and I'm excited to try the new grinder!

[@KyleRowsell]

Have fun!

[@After_GF]

I love that you are not competitive with each other and you exchange knowledge about coffee You got it, i mean about your mention about lance's video 😉

[@KyleRowsell]

Yeah! Love lance. Thankful for all he’s done for the community, anyone who says otherwise is bitter ha

[@kevintanaka4351]

Kept holding off on getting a Niche Zero and eventually ended up going with the 1zpresso K-max and love the coffee it brews. When the buzz started about a new grinder from Timemore, I started to reconsider getting an electric grinder. Only do pourer, but like knowing if I ever venture into espresso, I'll be ready with my 78s. Thanks to you and Lance for your review and setting my mind at ease about my choice!

[@df540148]

Excited for the video. I backed a 78S to finally upgrade my Mignon that I've been not terribly happy with, like forever. June can't come soon enough!

[@HannesNitzsche]

Thank you Kyle, I’ve changed my Kickstarter pledge from the 64 to the 78s after watching your video. I only drink filter and don’t live in CA or the US, so I’m hoping that eventually I’ll be able to buy the turbo burrs separately. What convinced me to upgrade is the noice of the smaller unit and the peace of mind a stronger motor provides. Your thoughts on these grinders are very much appreciated.

[@brandonclodfelter4612]

Miss your weekly uploads! Keep em coming, great review!

[@KyleRowsell]

We’ve been busy with Septembers launch. Weekly vids will be back!

[@JJShankles]

How would you compare the 64s to the Fellow Opus? Being two budget range grinders that are supposed to be good at espresso.

[@KyleRowsell]

64s is far easier to dial in for espresso with a better quality in the cup. But the 64s is a much more expensive grinder, especially after the Kickstarter price

[@MikeG4936]

I backed the 78S the day the kickstarter launched. SUPER stoked on this grinder - can't wait to get mine!

[@corymorhart123]

Thanks for this! I now feel better about my backing choice of the 78s.

[@KyleRowsell]

Happy to help!

[@Andrew-wp1bz]

Great video as always! The 078s is a very compelling grinder. I just purchased an Ode Gen 2, and hand grind for espresso. If I was looking for a grinder right now, I would probably back the 078S.

[@jamesb.ofdesertdistrict567]

Have been waiting for weeks! Great vid Kyle

[@jamesb.ofdesertdistrict567]

(Yes I watched it in 2x speed to get through it fast….)

[@KyleRowsell]

Awesome! Thank you!

[@EverythingIsPhotogenic]

I had the 64S backed and have been vacillating over switching to the 78S since. I hesitated because of the (currently) proprietary burr size, but given the overwhelmingly positive reception this grinder has received before even hitting the market, I don't think burr options will be limited for long. You sold me... This is YOUR fault! 🤣 I'll be happy to have a solid all-around grinder on the counter. I don't need the best of the best... Much better than the average bear at $500 is tremendous and it will be hard to fixate on nit-picks or small imperfections at that value. Can't wait for it to ship... Just in time for summer 😂

[@Tobyjrn6297]

I suspect you're right on the burr options point. If this thing delivers like I hope that it will (and appears to be), we should see some decent traction. There will be some money to be made by SSP or other off the back of this as a platform

[@lpnew3]

Seems like the 078s burrs live up to the expectations. And being so close in dimensions to the 80 mm burrs from Ditting/Mahlkoenig/Weber, I assume its not that difficult for SSP to adjust their designs to 78 mm

[@mohammedrizwan2350]

Thanks for this in-depth review! I backed the 078S and am even more hyped for it now!

[@KyleRowsell]

Glad I could help!

[@eschweis]

Woo! I've been eagerly anticipating this one for the 078s. Sounds like a big hitter for the price. Do you have an opinion on the 078s vs the DF83 for primarily espresso? Looks like the 078s is a clear winner in the low retention game. 🎉

[@khalid0790]

Yes please Kyle what do you think about the 78S vs df83?

[@ziggyggs3468]

wondering the same here. I've had a DF83 in my cart for a while and I'm really hesitant with Kickstarter gear

[@damianhbk1]

Same here! I was about to purchase the df83! Now I'm indecisive! 🤔

[@BensCoffeeRants]

I haven't tried the Timemore 078s yet, but DF83 is pretty great for the price (there's also the DF64V which is promising) definitely built better than the DF64, with less retention, the stock burrs are pretty smooth, and a good balance of body and flavour clarity. After initial break in period I think the flavour clarity increases a bit and it works better for filter coffee. All round good versatile grinder. It's also super fast to grind. One thing which has improved but it still potentially a problem since the DF83 grinds so fast the declumper holds back the coffee and I believe it contributes to generating more fines, so removing one layer of the declumper screen is recommended if you prefer higher flavour clarity. I did that for mine and also noticed less retention, I usually don't bother using the bellows anymore, it's about 0.4g retention you can get out with the bellows. One advantage the DF83 has, is that you CAN upgrade to higher clarity SSP Espresso burrs, and there is SSP Lab Sweet style and other alternative 83mm burrs coming out as well so you have some options. With the success of the Timemore 078 (seems pretty popular so far!) there may be more options for that grinder too for burr upgrades down the road, but there's currently no 2 bolt 78mm burrs besides their own, luckily they seem pretty good from what we see here! The potential benefit of the Timemore 078s, it might be cleaner/neater (maybe not the DF83 v2 has a anti-static electrode thing now I believe). 078s it has variable RPM which does make a difference but the range isn't SO huge, I think you would see a difference usually lower RPM = higher flavour clarity, less fines, less body. Higher RPM = more body, more bitterness potentially, more body. So it's neat to play with and see how the same grinder and burr set can give slightly different results for the same coffee. The other thing which may be the biggest potential advantage for the 078s is the Auger / Prebreaker feeding system so you get a steady consistent flow with the weight of the beans in the hopper (even a tiny single dose hopper) being taken out of the equation. There's also the Zerno which has that design and seems very well built but it's twice the price, and no variable RPM on that one. I was worried about TImemore being new to the flat burr electric grinder market, and making their own different looking burr style seemed a bit risky rather than just using SSPs or some existing company, but it seems like they did a good job, so I think you'd be happy with either. It's a great time to get into coffee, there's more relatively high quality relatively low budget competitive options out these days than ever before, I think we have the DF64 to thank for that actually :D As well as the Niche Zero I'm sure.

[@lpnew3]

There are all the 80 mm Burrs with 2 bolts, as well AS the 65 mm burrs. And since 78 mm is not far from 80 mm, we may have a chance of similar burrs from ssp for 78 mm.

[@moxalis]

Such a lovely and well structured review, and straight to the points. Just got a new subscriber. Thanks for the video!

[@KyleRowsell]

Thanks for watching!

[@andrewtieu4614]

Hi Kyle, thanks for the review! What is your take on the 064S with SSP multi-purpose burrs vs the 078S with stock burrs for espresso and for filter--have you compared and do you have any preferences?

[@kpinkgirl1870]

Agree! SSP MP vs. 078S? Do you think 078 turbo are different enough to buy both 078 and 078s? Thanks Kyle!

[@calangolima]

Love the rhythm and tone of you voice. Great video, BTW. A bit confusing, sometimes, but great.

[@KyleRowsell]

Thanks! May I ask what was confusing?

[@CoffeeXmusic]

Great video! So glad that I came across this video, last 2 days for the discount price 😊

[@benjaminbutton3476]

For the same price, and considering the 078s can do both, does the 078 turbo burr make much better filter coffee than 078s? Like how close is it?

[@Miikegross]

A similar burr comparison would be the SSP Multipurpose (MP) vs the Ode Gen 2 flavor profile, except 078 is said to be juicier and less thin compared to the SSP MP. I think a lot of it really comes down to what style of pour over you are going for. High clarity with more pronounced acidity and delineation of flavors (low fines / unimodal/078) vs a more traditional cup profile w/ medium fines and a bit more body and texture (078s). Also 078s would probably be a better burr style for those drinking medium-dark to dark roast. I never really enjoyed darker roasted coffees on unimodal styled burrs

[@c4li]

Great video! I backed both the 78S and 64S, exited to get my hands on them.

[@KyleRowsell]

Enjoy!

[@lpnew3]

Very well outlined review. Strenghents my decision in going with the 078s. Just out of curiosity, how does the 078s compares taste wise for espresso vs the Lagom P100 with 98 mm HU? I believe you are the only person who has tried both grinders currently.

[@KyleRowsell]

Great question. I’ll do some more testing.

[@syuwono]

Thanks for the review! Planning to get the 078s as I like to drink straight.

[@abludwig]

Thanks for the review. I mainly make v60s with my virtuoso and occasional basic espressos with my bambino plus and figured the 64s may do a good job on both of my use cases. This was the first video of yours I watched and enjoyed very much. Thanks for the info!

[@Creed132UNC]

Just upped my pledge from the 064s to the 078s based on this review. I was okay with all of the cons you listed with the 064s until you did the sound comparison. That is a huge deciding factor for me with 3 young kids so thank you for doing that! I usually have to search across videos to try to figure out which sound will be least disruptive.

[@halliehallo100]

It’s a preproduction unit, I’m not sure if the sound is the normal intended one.

[@Creed132UNC]

@@halliehallo100 yeah, I thought about that, but I'm hoping the production units will probably sound no worse than these and the sound of the 078s sounded like something I could be happy with.

[@diogoafonso7506]

Kyle, a video I would sugest you to produce would be on how to align the 078s burrs. It would make sense when people get them on their hands!

[@TheArgetho]

Glad i have pledged on 78s ... can't wait until June

[@atavax3420]

happy to see I'm probably right to have preordered the 78S. I have to say the black version looks so much better than the white imo.

[@bren.r]

Locked in the 078S. I returned a Breville AIO unit after a few months in I began having issues with the built-in grinder. Since then, I have been doing pour overs and I really miss my espresso drinks and the workflow. I kept holding off on getting a new espresso setup because of gripes with other grinders, but it looks like this this ticks all the boxes, so this is pretty exciting stuff!

[@phoenixwang1269]

Have you tried the Gevi GrindMaster for a review?

[@aggelospan3151]

Hi Kyle! One question. How much of an upgrade do you think the 078s is to the df64p i currently have? Should I just get SSP burrs for the df64p or just get the 078s? TIA

[@AlexLaika]

Fantastic review Kyle ! Thanks for the amazing work, backed the 64s and the 78s and was waiting for the review to decide, think will go for the 64s ! Thanks a million !

[@KyleRowsell]

Nice! Enjoy

[@ycming]

why ? is it because mainly milk drink you make I am currently backing.both too

[@AlexLaika]

@@ycming I was worried about the unability of the 64s to grind light roast, but apparently not an issue at an higher rpm. Dont think i'm willling to pay double just to grind light roast at 800rpm. Looks like the 78s is a beast thou...

[@brentroman]

Thanks for making this video. I wish (in a perfect world) it could’ve posted prior to the KS launch, but sometimes know that isn’t possible. Thanks for being super transparent with how this video worked. Looking forward to seeing a review of yours on the DF64V which I believe should give the 78S a run.

[@KyleRowsell]

I wish I could have too! Thanks for watching!

[@grumstolen555]

Isn’t the kickstarter still live? I just backed the 78s today after watching Kyles review! :)

[@jmc0806]

Can’t wait for my 078s now. Thanks!

[@KyleRowsell]

Thanks for watching

[@gingerfreakstudio6362]

Nice review thank you, I am wondering if the 64 is better than the 78s for pour over. The 78s would give me the ability to do espresso in the future but I do only poor overs rm.

[@jamesnyman1245]

Im also keen for someone to give an 064 vs ode2 ssp (or any ode bur) for filter view!

[@KyleRowsell]

While I haven’t tested, based on their particle analyzer on their Kickstarter (If it’s true) the 78s looks to be the better of the two. But again… that’s just data.

[@marcusteng2649]

I actually back 64s. Cause I have extra ssp burrs from my df64.. but after hearing the sound coming out from the 64s change my mind… I change and back 78s instead.. u are a saver!!!

[@siphawtia4647]

Thanks a lot sir for your review and for your honesty 🙏 ❤

[@KyleRowsell]

Thanks for watching

[@Httcsprings719]

Thanks so much for great content and honest assessment! Validated my decision to jump from the Fellow odd ssp to the 078s especially to get my feet wet in some espresso!

[@KyleRowsell]

Enjoy!

[@marcelloo87]

First time viewer here, solid review! You have a new subscriber :)

[@KyleRowsell]

Welcome 🙏

[@itsjrbro]

Will you be reviewing the Turin DF64v that’s coming out soon?

[@KyleRowsell]

Yep!

[@Gabe-ru9ct]

Are the results for espresso from the 064s comparable to the Lagom P64 if not is the 078s closer?

[@Aspireonthego]

Thanks for this, this was helpful! Got the 064s on order.

[@KyleRowsell]

Glad I could help!

[@nibsabbath1825]

Hey Kyle, thanks for the awesome review (and the awesome coffee--seriously, i cannot stop thinking about that pink bourbon). I backed the 078s because it seemed like, on paper, it really checked all the boxes. Feature rich, all-purpose, aesthetically beautiful, low retention, and all at a super reasonable price. I am now 100% certain that i made the right choice and man am i excited to replace my current two-grinder setup! Can't wait til June!

[@blaked205]

How would you directly compare the 078 and 078s for filter? Thanks so much for the video!

[@madsm7044]

Also interested in this. Bonus points for Ode SSP MP vs either of the Timemore Big Boys

[@holliedekraai4137]

Also interested in Kyles response. I backed the 078, but wondering if I should of backed the 078s. I mainly just do pourovers.

[@Miikegross]

I commented this separately but in case it helps anyone here: A similar burr comparison would be the SSP Multipurpose (MP) vs the Ode Gen 2 flavor profile, except 078 is said to be juicier and less thin compared to the SSP MP. I think a lot of it really comes down to what style of pour over you are going for. High clarity with more pronounced acidity and delineation of flavors (low fines / unimodal/078) vs a more traditional cup profile w/ medium fines and a bit more body and texture (078s). Also 078s would probably be a better burr style for those drinking medium-dark to dark roast. I never really enjoyed darker roasted coffees on unimodal styled burrs

[@blaked205]

@@Miikegross This is helpful, thank you. I've pledged for both to use as dedicated espresso and filter grinders. Coming from a hyper aligned Vario with steels that I'm tired of switching back and forth. I've never been completely satisfied with it on filter.

[@Miikegross]

@@blaked205 I pledged for both also 😁 I’m pretty excited. I think the 078 is going to be pretty awesome for filter, and deliver in a lot of areas of flavor and workflow that were close but still lacking in my ODE + SSP grinder. The 078s will be my first flat burr grinder for espresso, and I’m expecting a night & day difference compared to the Sette 270 that I’ve used the past few years.

[@ballentphoto]

Firstly thank you for the review. I initially backed the 064s but after your review now I switched to the 078s because I have been chasing that sweetness. I mostly do espresso but occasionally switch to pour over and based on your review it seems I would get better pour over with the 078s. Thank you again

[@KyleRowsell]

Thanks for watching

[@tt11qj]

Great video! Would you pick the 064s over the df64 gen 2? I primarily brew for espresso.

[@XxLogo]

So what would you say the difference in pour over taste wise is between the 64 & 64s? I mostly brew pour overs, but was curious about the flexibility in the future for grinding for espresso. I do have a hand grinder I can use, but is it worth it to stay 64 for a mostly pour over use, or should I get a more flexible grinder in the 64s at a loss of say sweetness/clarity?

[@heyitsmephilly]

Would you recommend upgrading from a Lagom mini to either the 78s or the 64s? Or should I be saving for a pricier grinder to notice a bigger taste difference after the upgrade?

[@matthewsoh5294]

Hi Kyle. Great video. Do you have a noise comparison on the 78s vs something like the Niche? The niche is really quiet and a big factor in considering it

[@KyleRowsell]

The niche is the quietest. I have a large comparison on the way.

[@matthewsoh5294]

@@KyleRowsell Looking forward to that video!

[@coffeeistheanswer5923]

@Kyle Roswell thank you awesome review! You mentioned the 064s has plenty resolution for dialing in espresso, but the 078s not so much. Did you encounter trouble dialing in?

[@richardmiddleton7770]

The screw thread on the burr adjustment has a pitch of 0.6mm, that's how much it would move the burrs in one full rotation of the dial! That means that each 'tick' mark on the dial will move the burrs 0.003mm or 3 micros!

[@Foolsauce]

Is the longevity of the motor in the 064S a concern do you think? I want to get a grinder that will last a long time. Oh, and which color do you like better? Does the black or the white show grime and wear more than one another?

[@utiuandy99]

Really appreciate your content. Would you say the 064s is better than an Eureka single dose ? I can get a fully rebuilt Eureka SD with a warranty for around 390 euros and I am not sure what to get.

[@David-pn1bc]

Hello Kyle thank you for tour work. Do you think an eureka zero or specialita is better than the 78s for expresso ? Or do you have an advice for another brand who work well without too much noice please

[@canelasdoodles]

I'm looking for the best electric coffee grinder for Turkish coffee consistency please. Any recommendations?

[@MrNoozbi]

Great Video, thanks for reviewing, it makes me question my pledge for a 64s and maybe go for a 78s instead 😄 One point that I felt was missing from the review is your thoughts regarding swapping burrs with the 64s, it seems it works with SSP as well ? What are your thoughts regarding 64s with SSP, how does it compare with other grinders ?

[@KyleRowsell]

Totally! I filmed this but cut it out as the video was getting far too long. The 64 ssp burrs work very well, and if I was to buy the 64 I’d buy the 64s and install mp ssp for a beast filter grinder with variable rpm (especially at Kickstarter pricing)

[@harrisonsmith345]

@@KyleRowsell would you do 64s + ssp mp burrs or just go to a 78s for a combo filter/espresso grinder?

[@KyleRowsell]

@@harrisonsmith345 78s at the Kickstarter price. The 78s is a much better machine - the build quality is superior.

[@MrNoozbi]

@@KyleRowsell thank you for your response !

[@grasgreenfilms9496]

Thanks for the great review!❤ I do have a Turin DF83, but I'm not all around happy with it. I'm thinking of buying the 078S now. As you can compare the DF83 with the 078S, what would be your recommendation?

[@coenwouters6808]

Thanks for this review!! I already had a o78s in order, happy to see the result is great. I currently have a Mazzer SJ with cheaper aftermarket replacement burrs, i bet this o78s will blow that one away :)

[@thiravitphinyoyang1254]

Thanks for the review. I want to know something from your opinion. Is Sculptor 078s good for commercial using like coffee shop? I want to replace it to my old zentis single dose grinder, is it suit for heavy duty using (focus on espresso)? (Sorry for my some bad english) Thanks for the answer in advance.

[@thiravitphinyoyang1254]

more about my old zentis it's zentis zp-64 i guess, not sure about that.

[@rolandchan123]

What do you think of the 64S's ability to change burrs such as to the SSPs, whereas the 78S has an uncommon burr size and doesn't have that option? Will the 64S with lets say SSP MP burr's perform just as well as the 78S all purpose burrs in both espresso and filter?

[@lpnew3]

Take a look at Lances review of the 078. Kyle and Lance say, that the 078 Turbo Burrs produce "juicy" cups of coffee. Something I wouldn't say at all about the MPs. 64MP are extremel clean, clear, clinical for me even borderline boring.

[@Reeezeful]

Do the cups u grind in, fit into a E61 basket (like the niche zero one does for example) ? It makes it very easy to get coffee into ur basket after grinding

[@itamareyal9356]

Thanks for this! I would love to ask you as someon who decided to buy one of the 78's, Should I buy the 78 and get the best expirience for filter in that price range? It means I stay with my built in Breville grinder for a little while for esspresso. Or it's just fomo and I just need to get the 78S? I also wander if changing on a single grinder between filter and esspresso feels anoying and can be wasteful. Thank you!

[@amouslow490]

Hi Kyle. Thanks for this informative video. What are your thoughts between the Turin DF83 and the Timemore 078S?

[@יאירברלין-ק4ה]

Thank you very much for the great review (as always 😊) How would you compare the 64s to the Lagom Mini, for a first time grinder? I know they are totally different types of grinders (flat vs conical), but it seems to me that both are all purpose grinders with a similar price tag..

[@MetalPirate]

Great review, I backed for a 78s when they launched it since I can replace my Gen 1 Ode and Eurka Mignon Facile with it and sell them. I drink my espresso and filter coffee straight most of the time and it will basically be my end game grinder so seems it's a good pick.

[@73alfayellow]

I backed the 78S on launch day although I just splurged on a Lagom P64, which I already adore. I will decide if I will stick with the 78S as a secondary grinder or cancel. I am tempted to keep it coming for the price for sure.

[@rodravenstein8075]

Thanks Kyle, you made my day! I'm a backer of the 64S, mostly pour-over with medium roast but I like a full bodied cup. Seems the 64S is right for me. Any thoughts on the hopper? both size and slope. Seems you had to nudge a bean or I might have been seeing things. Thanks Kyle!

[@Shdzbj3mb]

I am a 64S backer and big reason I chose it was that I already own both the SSP MP and Lab Sweets that I been playing with on my Mazzer Mini A. I figured I would put the Lab Sweets in my 64S and keep it as my Filter Grinder while leaving the Mazzer Mini for Espresso.

[@bettercoffeequest]

Time to up my grinder. Been long enough with the Baratza Encore.

[@asselinpower]

Would you say the 78s would be an upgrade to the Eureka Silenzio? I m 100% espresso. Where can you get it in Canada ?

[@erikngomez]

Is the 078 turbo burrs still better for pour over than the 078s?

[@holliedekraai4137]

Wondering the same thing

[@jamesnyman1245]

Yes, watch from 5.40 again

[@AwesomelyAwesomeO]

Hi Kyle just wondering if you manage to find out what the chirping sound is on the 64s? Thanks!

[@KyleRowsell]

Unfortunately no. Doesn’t seem to be an issue, but it’s annoying none the less

[@anaya4543]

Any recommendations between DF 64V or the or 78S? I’ve gone as far as purchasing and canceling both models simply because I just can’t decide. Plan is to use it as a multipurpose grinder for both pour over and espresso on the flare 58.

[@helloitsme394]

What do you think of 78s vs. Df83?

[@KyleRowsell]

We almost need another video don’t we?

[@_Brewn]

My 078 is coming on monday 🙌

[@GraysonCarr]

So if you wanted to make a pot of filter coffee with the 78S, you would likely have to do at least two separate grinds since the hopper is only 40g?

[@YM-he2ex]

Hi, are those pre braking augers aluminum on those grinders? Is it safe to have aluminum cutting parts in a grinder? Would it contaminate coffee grounds with aluminum dust?

[@deepdirtystinkingbayes3411]

They even seem scratched a bit at 6:37 😥

[@wakashi93]

Great video! What would be your pick on the 064S with stock burrs vs a DF64 (v4 or 5) with SSP HU? Does that change if you add the SSP HU into 064S? I'm primarily an espresso med/dark roast with milk drinker and they're both around the same budget.

[@jlyt18]

Df64 is twice the price lol

[@Misnos]

Thanks for the well put together reviews!

[@KyleRowsell]

Thanks for watching!

[@schellface]

I'm surprised that the espresso range on the 078s is so small. Do you find that limiting? Annoying?

[@KyleRowsell]

Not really. I’m also using the 078 body with the 078s burrs. The 078s body wasn’t available. So this could change in the final production unit.

[@TheDusty0ne]

@@KyleRowsell I really hope it will. Precise and good adjustability is really key for Espresso. One thing I value the niche so much (of course the wider particle distribution makes that easier as well).

[@SureFeelsGood]

if using a non pressurized manual lever machine would the 078s be better for light roasts? would you say these all are tinker-free? meaning I don't want a machine where I have to adjust the burrs at all..just want to have it ready to go and not have to ever break out a screwdriver!