TIMEMORE SCULPTORS: Unfiltered and Uncut

[@LanceHedrick]

YOU ARE NOT PETULANT CHILDREN! I love doing this. Just a bit of rough humor. Love you all. Now, let's discuss this below!

[@TheGarmery]

Eehhhhhh, aren't we, though?

[@DH-bf9xb]

​@@TheGarmery totally are.

[@erikngomez]

We are :) love you lance!

[@Hames8]

But I want to be a petulant child! Don't tell me what to do! (LOVE YOU LANCE!)

[@yohoshua]

I am a petulant child and darn proud of it.

[@BrzinskiBear]

"I hope my energy wasn't too much." Lance, never change. You're a gem. Your energy does more for me than any morning coffee could.

[@gjdakin]

Having only watched about a third of the video so far I have to say that I'm really impressed in how straightforward and flowing you keep your presentation despite having no cuts. That's certainly a skill that not many people posses.

[@robojimtv]

a lot of other creators keep doing those rapid cuts and i hate it

[@hifi9954]

@@robojimtv I am reminded of the opening scene in "Kagemusha". Six minutes, no cuts.

[@chrisjohns2734]

Yeah it's actually crazy he was able to go almost 20 minutes with no cuts and a nice flowing dialogue! Super impressive!

[@robojimtv]

@@chrisjohns2734 i don't mind some cuts but a lot of dudes make it feel like things are fast forwarded

[@classi-cal]

I wish there was a Lance in every profession that cared about their community and giving realistic advice!

[@mack6861]

Thank you for how much you care about every single person in this community. Your effort does not go unnoticed. There will always be those who are not appreciative and need more. Don't let em get you down! Your videos are so helpful!

[@szarvadyjazon]

Lance, honestly, everything this video is, is why we love you ❤️ raw, clearly spoken, concise Lance gold.

[@khalid0790]

Let’s start a petition to Timemore to Hire Lance to recreate a new version of burrs for the 078S ….

[@jamesbrightman3997]

I'm blown away by your passion and dedication to the community! Kudos Burr-man!!

[@001base]

I was starting to doubt my decision to go for the 078s and hard considered switching to the 078 - but this clears it up for me! 078s should be great - upgrading from a built-in breville grinder plus a baratza encore for filter to the 078s will be a massive improvement and then to add the ability to buy the turbo burrs if needed Thanks @lance!

[@vegita319]

This is my situation exactly. Built Breville and encore for filter. 78s should beat both out, so I’m going to pledge!

[@001base]

@@vegita319 and I make pour overs way more often than I do espresso, so that was adding to my conflict!

[@vegita319]

@@001base same here man. In mornings I’m mostly pour overs since I like to sip coffee through my meetings

[@sal6794]

Thank you for being so responsive to the community! I respect you so much for not taking sponsorships that would require you to be less than honest on your reviews. You are the coffee "influencer" that I trust the most to be objective and to point out when you may not be, such as giving your opinion and speculating on topics that we have not researched yet. Keep up the amazing work and I am grateful for every video you put out! Cheers!

[@LiquidityProd]

Thank you for your transparency and for helping the community. Also, love your humor!

[@ryo1981to]

As someone with no stakes in this (no Kickstarter backing and I don't plan to buy a grinder in the short term) I have to say I love the direct approach and I enjoyed the video immensely. Thank you for not doing the carbon-copy, marketing friendly, hype amplifier review that is somewhat common these days. Love the energy and I may or may not have snorted at the sip and the face at the end of the video 😂

[@pjrage82]

Thank you. This is insanely helpful. Ironically, for me, this tames grinder envy and fomo more than your other recent videos that I think that were specifically aimed at taming fomo.

[@robertjason6885]

We are fortunate to have you.

[@winchester300cox]

Just waiting on your DF64V video now 🙌🏻. Thank you for your passion and hard work for the specialty coffee world and all the at home coffee people.

[@bilalsyed1542]

Me too

[@Johnny3144]

Lance, really good job with this video. This one presented your thoughts much clearer than the original.

[@louismurphy1403]

Amazing as always, Lance. The lengths you go to ensure us coffee enthusiasts are as informed as possible is a true credit to you. Keep up the amazing work. I'll stick with my 078s early bird deal!

[@Garrett__H]

Love this one-take approach. Very clear and well done. Thank you, Lance.

[@claycon]

Great info. I just got a Fellowe Ode gen 2, but it’s been interesting to watch all the hype around these grinders. I’m glad you are able to share what’s good about them while also de-hyping them.

[@brookmartinez7723]

Here's the plan: I'm sticking with the 78s for espresso only (don't do filter) and Timemore hires Lance to tweak those espresso burrs to match the greatness of the turbos. (FYI I've had the same Compak Pro barista Conical titan for years and am excited to go flat for a reasonable early bird price)

[@omarchalabi8323]

My electric grinder bit the dust, so I pledged the 78s as a replacement. Looks like a pretty good value.

[@Joao_tb]

Legend! You got a new patreon supporter. This is far from insane. Thanks man!

[@fran9420]

lance is definitely the best coffee content creator

[@chrisnicolaides7834]

Hey Lance, I certainly appreciate that you've matched the industry's 'hype' over these with your coverage both objective and subjective now. In particular I found this video helpful in providing me with some context, as a Niche owner who has been looking at introducing something onto my bar to allow me to explore filter coffee further. It's tempting to go for the 078 and keep the Niche - but the 078S sound like a great multipurpose option (perhaps lateral move for my espresso, but a great improvement on filter).

[@JohnZ556]

Niche to me is too muddled even for espresso, you can barely taste any floral or fruity notes if at all. That's wasting money on a grinder and coffee on my book. I believe it won't be a lateral move even for espresso.

[@Tobyjrn6297]

@@JohnZ556 depending on what you want from your espresso, you sound bang on the money. This is definitely why i held off on a niche and why the 078s excited me. Seems to align pretty well with what Lance believes too. I think he has to temper opinions like that because it depends so much on what origins and roast levels people enjoy

[@JohnZ556]

@@Tobyjrn6297 Well... I got a P64 SSP MP and a few 1Z on hand. A neighbor of mine has Niche Zero and C40. And I have a cafe nearby that utilizes ek43. For the money and popularity, I am very disappointed at the Niche and C40. As far as flavor goes, Niche is about the worst. C40 is way too expensive for the grind speed and work flow, he ended up paying approaching 500bucks after upgrades. It takes 1-2min for espresso, emphasis on acidity too much both for espresso and brew.

[@Tobyjrn6297]

@@JohnZ556 yeah that sounds about right to me. Very jealous of the p64 with MPs!

[@JohnZ556]

@@Tobyjrn6297 P64 MP produces the best filtered and most flavourful espresso I had so far. Didn't expect it to do that well for espresso and milk drinks. I guess tolerance, alignment, bearing rating and stable RPM all matters.

[@TheRockyBalboa100]

Thank you. I am at work at the moment. I will watch this in the evening (Europe, Netherlands). I was refreshing KZbin to see if you already uploaded the video lol.

[@Staybrown11]

I had a Eureka Mignon XL for about 3/4 years. As I went into light roast I was grinding to the point where my burrs were touching. I sold it for about the same price i purchased it. Got the 65s. I have plenty of space to grind really light roast. I did immediately tasted the difference using the same coffee beans and extraction method. In the future I want to get a ssp or cast burs. But I want to get to know this grinder. No need to upgrade yet.

[@Laura-vw2vm]

I’ve ordered the 064s as my first grinder ever and I’m really excited 🤩! Currently I have a super-automatic Philips and I need to upgrade to real espresso 🤪 for the coffee machine I’m not sure if Gaggia Classic will be enough because I can’t do the adjustments to temperature and pressure 😵‍💫 maybe I should save and get something slightly better that doesn’t need mods

[@michaelfree3308]

Gaggia classic pro is a great machine that will serve you well for many years. The OPV valve spring mod is super easy to do and there are hacks you can do to get more consistent temperature.

[@jamesprecious1035]

Lance, thanks for all the amazing effort you have put into this launch. You have done a beyond expected job. Time to go chill out. Cheers from Canada!

[@HoonsCoffee]

Well done Lance.

[@zaclukelee]

Lance, appreciate that you try to strive towards unbias reviews and honest reviews - this makes you my go-to source. Having been a niche zero user now for close to 2 years, I wished I watched your videos before making the purchase 2 years go, because every criticism and nitpicking that you've mentioned, is painfully true for any niche zero owner to hear, but every bit true and sincere. I am not a big fan of a niche zero I am hence, taking great weight in re-watching your timemore videos before committing to the 78s, because I know I can trust your words. Cheers mate

[@Reeezeful]

I loved this style of video and I needed so much. I backed the 078s at the kickstarter price and own a niche zero right now. The one thing I am not getting of my zero is acidity and it started to annoy me. After this video I am sure that I will stick with my order. THANK you so much lance

[@joconnell]

Love it. Can’t get more aggressively clear than that. From what you’ve said I think I’m happy to jump on a zerno now, especially after also saying things like the df83 beats the 078 for espresso. Zerno and meticulous for me then!

[@littledevilz]

Thanks again Lance on going the extra mile for the coffee community. I mainly pull shots on my gear pump LM vs filter (80/20) For the initial KS price, I reckon the 078s is a no brainer espresso grinder plus now we have the option of buying the turbo burr in the near future. I valued workflow and price to performance ratio so to me this is near perfect without spending to the levels of the EGs/EKs/P100. I also have a Kopi Deva on order so would appreciate your thoughts on it as well. Cheers!

[@khalid0790]

Brother I appreciate your energy and your straight forward approach…I love it.

[@catchacoolbreeze]

The reason I come to this channel is for this unfiltered content. Love to hear your opinion. Objective. Subjective. I want it all!

[@Valpfan33]

I feel like I'm gonna stick with my 064s pledge. To me it seems like it's not that far off the 078s for both filter and espresso and then there's the fact that you have so many options for other 64mm burrs in the future. I mean 064s with SSP MPs is about the price of the 078s stock. I already feel like the 078 models are a bit much money for me and although 078s + turbo burrs in the future would be a great option, that will be a lot of money for me in the end. And then it's not an all-rounder anymore with the turbos, unless you change them out when you want espresso every time. Seems like it makes comparable cups for less money than other grinders (in my country at least). Idk maybe I'm not as worried as others with the motor either.

[@bradenb]

Thanks for this Lance. I know the feedback to the first video was frustrating. I really appreciate the subjective advice presented in here and think that--taken with the first video--really rounds out the review of these grinders. Your comments have made me realize that I will be totally happy with the 078S; it will be a major step up from my Smart Grinder for espresso and even if it isn't a major step up from my C3 Pro hand grinder for filter (probably will be) then at least the workflow will be better.

[@marcelloo87]

Awesome single-take! I like that you split it up by model size, and stuck to doing the 64 fully first.

[@mr260z3]

But Lance… WHERES THE DATA!! 😂

[@robojimtv]

I knew whatever choice I made would be better than my Capresso Infinity but I got rid of my el cheapo Espresso Machine a year ago and I think I'll just stick to filter only. I swapped my pledge from 78s to 78. Thanks Lance!

[@maxuttech1028]

Lance, the community appreciates all that you do! I can tell you feel stressed about all the questions you are getting about these grinders, you've done your part and then some so don't stress and thanks again for all the great content!

[@nadiayousuf3840]

This was exactly the kind of advice I was looking for!

[@streetninja510]

Honestly this was so incredibly helpful and I’m really impressed that this was your response to feedback.

[@tomembt4625]

Great information in these videos and the reddit thread - Thank You for all your work and perspective on grinder options! Feeling pretty good about my DF83v2 and launch special 078 as an everything combo for years to come.

[@zakariyyagardee8934]

Which thread?

[@yongzhenkit6622]

Thanks for this follow up video, happy to maintain my 078s pledge now.

[@thenort13]

5 minutes in and I'm loving the "I don't care this is my opinion" attitude!

[@unixnerd1]

Awesome video, love the information density and candid responses - definitely gave me some food for thought while making a decision.

[@rockcityphoto]

I'm currently using a Breville Smart Grinder for drip and a Baratza Sette for espresso. I backed the Sculptor 078s to use for espresso and I'll probably migrate my Sette to drip usage. Really excited to give it a try when it arrives.

[@Robinzorz]

Thanks so much for this again! You made me decide to switch to the 078 from the 078s (which thankfully Timemore lets us do now even in Europe), which is good for me, and I guess does not matter for Timemore so good. This second video is much appreciated since I think we were all with you on the high expectations for the other three versions after your initial early review, and then the first 'full' review was a bit dissapointing for us, after you were dissapointed yourself in the quality of the other three versions, even if they are still very good grinders especially for the price point.

[@nialljohnston7415]

How do you go about switching Robin? I had ordered the 078s on kickstarter as the 078 wasn't available for Europe at the time but would switch if that's possible now

[@yufanwu7085]

Using 078 for over 7months and it is so fantastic (upgrade from chestnut X）and the tasting profile is so clear for every beans. But drawback is that if the beans used have some bad flavour and it will be enhanced as well.

[@arianhoxha6413]

Thanks for the video Lance, safe to say that we all appreciate the follow-up. I will probably give the 78s a shot against Specialita and if I can't tell a huge difference I can always get the turbo burrs or sell it. Thanks again and go take a break now!

[@MonoSQ]

I’m in the exact same boat.

[@arianhoxha6413]

@@MonoSQ Yeah I imagine there are lot of people with the same dilemma. On a good day, Specialita can nearly match to what I get served in cafes but more often than not I can tell that everything from body, to sweetness and clarity is lacking a bit. So you're keeping the 78s? Lucky for me, I got mine at the launch day price at 500$.

[@Val_Smith]

Was thinking the same, want to get rid of the bellows and 0,3-0,5 grams vary.

[@arianhoxha6413]

@@Val_Smith I'm using the original bellows and single dose hopper and I'm pretty much getting 0-0.2g retention with RDT so that's not really an issue for me. Which bellows are you using?

[@bprayogo2000]

Now this is a Lance review we love👍🏻👌🏻

[@thomasdurant7907]

Was hoping this was a new Hance Lendrick edited video channel, but I will gladly take this as is. This is exactly my kind of energy, probably not safe for my brain though!

[@KinchenC]

You are the man Lance, thank you for your unfiltered and uncut thoughts :)

[@astott122]

Thank you, Lance! I’ve really appreciated your content around the Sculptors and have learned a lot from your willingness to share your knowledge and qualified judgements more generally. I’m sticking with my Kickstarter for the 078, and I’m looking forward to the big upgrade for filter from the Encore. Cheers~

[@machineslave3]

I also want to say thank you for both these videos. I’ve been wanting to upgrade my grinder for a while and to get a good grinder at a cheaper price is always appreciated. To do it via KS is also nerve wracking so hearing both your objective data driven reviews and your unfiltered review has helped me tremendously.

[@AlexCamerony]

Thanks for this Lance, I loved the wild energy of unfiltered Lance. Don't take those detracting comments too hard, I think you did a good job with the last video but it's also nice to have your opinion. I totally get why you don't lead with it too though. Honestly, I weigh the workflow pretty hard and am so excited about the fines knocker. It's the thing that got me the most excited about this grinder. Cannot wait to stop blowing chaff in my eyes.

[@Foolsauce]

I have a Chihuahua dog and I'm thinking of upgrading to a cat. Do you think I'll have more fun playing with the cat than with my current dog? Will there be a workflow improvement in feeding and cleaning the cat? I'm frustrated with needing to wash my Chihuahua every two weeks, and I heard on Reddit that you don't need to wash a cat as often.

[@LanceHedrick]

tbh i've been considering this exact thing, but with regards to a chinchilla and my current (played out) hedgehog. I mean, they're both great. they get the job done. but, the fun-factor of the hedgehog is a bit over. One could say my honeymoon phase has ended. The chinchilla is just sitting there, with its glorious fur, asking for me to stroke its mildly confusing sheeny coat. r/chinchilla is p chill, tbh, and is probs where i'll be at the next few days to make my final decision. The fate of ole hedgykins rests on redditors. What do you think?

[@hugoferrazporto]

Why don't you get a small dog for the short walks and a tiger for the long ones?

[@JuanMartinez-jp3do]

Super honest and clear review. Many thanks for the approach. Hope it will be always like that. Thanks

[@Rolaids649]

Damn... I love how fresh your nonreligious approach is. Keep learning who you are and OWN it!!!

[@WillMruzek]

Thanks for this, Lance. Both your objective and subjective feedback are really helpful. I like how you recognize the different preferences in coffee and espresso between traditional and modern and give us advice based on that. I also prefer clarity, so your opinion is particularly valuable to me and others like me. No need to hold back 😅 Keep doing what you’re doing. 💯

[@vincentaemerson]

Big love to you, Lance! I am highly anticipating my 078s as my first electric grinder, especially at the early kickstarter price. As a lightly roasted-espresso loving home brewer, it will surely do wonders for my workflow, stepping in for my MK3 Comandante, which will be retired for everything coffee grinding related outside of the house; grinding a shot of espresso for around 2 minutes gets bloody tiring when I host a shindig at my place and everyone lines up for a brew.

[@gabrielo8922]

Great job Lance 👍. I really liked watching this video

[@lennartvanbinsbergen4810]

This is exactly what I needed to hear. As a European it is hard to get an option-o, timemore or varia if you dont want to overpay (import taxes + shipping). The eureka's on the other hand are widely available. I just started getting into espresso, so I will be going with that for my first grinder. Thanks Lance for sharing your honest opinion!

[@AlejandroPDX]

This was amazing. I love the straight forward real talk. It’s what we needed

[@SX0T]

Thank you Uncle Lance. You are a golden god.

[@pierre-loup]

Thank you so much for these unfiltered thoughts! I had taken your lack of excitement for the 78s as a token of disappointment, which I guess it kinda was, but I'm glad you explained how your great expectations were not met. I'll still back my 78s for an all-rounder grinder!

[@holliedekraai4137]

Great info and review Lance. Don’t know what other info you could provide at this point. I’m glad I backed the 078 and I’m sticking to it.

[@teohanping]

The community has been questioning Lance on 64/64s and 78/78s. I'm just amazed Lance took the effort and explained more of his experience and recommendations on these 4 grinders. Kudos Lance 🎉

[@keurosen]

Mooooore Lance energy pleeeeeaze ❤🎉

[@icyfire207]

Great job Lance. Thank you and really appreciate your hard work on this.

[@glen.moralee]

Brilliant. Thank you Lance. I love your videos.

[@stephen8623]

Lance, great review (as usual). Thank you for sharing your knowledge and experience with us.

[@toddd7444]

the bottle line for taste and best grinder on the market to day is the ek`43 hands down

[@samuelpearson]

Lance is both my most reliable source of information on coffee gear and my favourite TV show...

[@JulesAUS]

I found myself forgetting to breath as I'm watching this video

[@mcst6969]

Thank you for the video! I'm looking to buy my *FIRST ever grinder* and that is exactly what I wanted to know (if it was a good buy or not as first grinder) at 14:54. _In the beginning I ordered the 064s(early bird 1) then I upgraded to the 078s (before the price increase), because the more robust build and 400W motor(and bigger burr surface area), even tough no aftermarket 78mm burrs(right now), but I'm not interested in replace the burrs either way, at least right now. I'm more interested in how long it will last(and needless to say of curse; grind quality), and I'm thinking stronger motor and better build gives you more longevity(like many more years, hopefully)!_

[@AkiraSangou]

Thanks for making the second video! I also backed a 78s but wonder if you think 78s is better than DF64v(or DF64) and DF83 based on your preference. Thanks!

[@highwirecoffeetraining8205]

Blunt and candid. That's all I want. Thank you.

[@AndNorCar]

Wuhu! Go Lance! I'm sticking with the 078s - huge upgrade from my 13 years oooold 50mm EMC grinder. Single dose and awsome workflow FTW! :D

[@ArgEntina-ob4ff]

Have only seen the first few minutes and already love the video. Thank you! ❤

[@slenkhar]

Nice one. That's some good energy dude. I cancelled my pledge after some good thoughts, my smart grinder pro and Bambino plus are perfectly adequate for my daily milkies I enjoy very much. No need to go spend money where it don't matter to me that much

[@Jvbeagles]

Thanks Lance, I personally love your videos, love the unfiltered and the original videos. I got anxious as a backer and not your fault but mainly because of the hype meant people read too much into stuff.and blow things out of proportion. I would say don't overthink the comments of people I appreciate both the objective and the subjective. I value your subjective opinion because it comes from experience that so many others won't have. I appreciate how much work you put into the coffee community, your videos and love the enthusiasm. Keep being you!

[@Merfunk]

Thanks for all your in depth reviews tear downs, Lance. I've had the Baratza Virtuoso+ for a few years and have been feeling stuck with the quality of filter brews for a while now. My friends turned me on to your channel and this grinder recently, and the 078 seems like the perfect upgrade at this time. Just backed it on kickstarter, looking forward to better brews. Cheers!

[@RobertFHarrison]

I'm sticking with my 078s at the launch day pricing. I'm moving from a Sette 270 which makes good espresso, but is just too loud. I can live with a quieter lateral move with a better workflow. I also have a Fellow Ode gen 2, so I'm covered on pour-over. I'm also a fan of not having to change my settings much when I've dialed-in, so two grinders for different purposes is okey-dokey...especially at 4:30 AM when I get up for work. 😴

[@zacjones89]

After watching many of your recent budget grinder videos, I strongly considered the Turbo 64 or 78, but ended up going with the Ode Gen 2 for my needs . Almost all my coffee is ground in 70g batches and gets poured right into a Ratio Six, so the larger hopper on the Ode Gen 2 and not needing to RDT were the deciding factors. Thanks for all your reviews and recommendations!

[@holyxiaoxin]

Thank you Lance for this video. Its the best.

[@9secs]

Great addition to your first video. Thank you, Lance. You now have one more subscriber🎉

[@AlexanderLabial]

Lance love your content and to hear your thought process! I believe that if this is without a “filter” on yourself, then you shouldn’t be afraid to always go without a “filter”. 👍🏽

[@chrishutchins8448]

Yes, love the video Lance, great job!

[@JoseCinnamon]

Thank you Lance for all the generous work. You ar the GOAT.

[@chadw6593]

Ha! Great video. IMHO, this is exactly the kind of unfiltered thoughts us petulant children were looking for.

[@fishingtherapy5567]

Thank you Lance. This video gave me all the information I needed so I just cancelled my Pledge for 078s

[@atavax311]

argh, i didn't notice this until I was about to go to work. take my like and i'll watch it later!

[@joperez8003]

Love this Lance. Thanks for all your work!

[@tadda6282]

Just waiting for the kick starter to end and my 078s to ship.

[@jslanfranchi]

Amazing video, and energy Lance. Convinced me that it wasn’t going to be enough of an upgrade for me (being more espresso focused) over what I have. Was hoping for the 078s to be the same « anomalie » the 078 is to pour over. Will stick to my manual grinders and trusty eureka for now. And just gives me a reason to get a new set of burrs for my Pietro 😂

[@randyhou8522]

Lance, with your knowledge, personality, passion, and talent in front of the camera, you sir are a true treasure to the youtube and general coffee community. I do wish you would have taken 30-45 secs on comparing the 078s to the DF83 with stock burrs as it seems like a worthwhile thing given they are the only 2 grinders with large flats in the price range that I'm aware of.

[@diogoafonso7506]

He already has: 078s (espresso) against DF83 (stock)- DF83 after seasoning has a better body, similar clarity and acidity expression, and arguably more balance. I actually prefer the stock DF83 slightly over 078s for espresso. I think 99.9999% wouldn't be able to choose one consistently over the other. 078s (filter) against DF83 (stock)- 078s is definitely better than these stock burrs. They are, comparatively, more balanced, more unique, and showcase the flavors in a more sophisticated manner.

[@matheuseduardo4334]

Just wanted to say, I loved your energy!

[@kwok57]

This is the way.