'House of the White Queen' (Groby, Leicestershire) | Series 18 Episode 7 | Time Team

[@dimitri877]

The loss of Mick was a blow to Time Team, archaeology, and humanity. I still have fond memories of him through this channel.

[@Springye]

10 years ago today! So glad his memory lives on here :)

[@joshschneider9766]

What a sad anniversary.

[@annethomas9302]

❤️

[@waltershumate5777]

They brought Mick along to see if he could remember when the things were still standing there. 😆

[@jrhpng]

Is this Mick's last episode?

[@0yodelingpickle526]

Mick was a national treasure. He was loved all over the world. Rest in peace Mick.

[@danaringquist9730]

When did this happen?

[@0yodelingpickle526]

@@danaringquist9730 2013, it was apparently a brain haemmorige. Shortly after he left time team because he felt like the executives were dumbing downthe show, by giving experts a much smaller role and bringing in a new lady who was basically blabbering a lot of nonsense for most of her screentime.

[@danaringquist9730]

@@0yodelingpickle526 who was that lady? I bought these was newer shows. I really enjoy this series.

[@0yodelingpickle526]

@@danaringquist9730 Its Mary-Ann, she has a degree in anthropology and archaeology but they usually just make her do random shit and very little of what she sais has substance lol Lets be honest, the fact that shes a tv-personality who is a former model probably helped get her this job lol Cuz she sure as shit aint here for her knowledge

[@danaringquist9730]

Never understand why only 3 days. I’ll have to keep a eye out for her

[@dannydyerschocolatehumuncl2418]

Rest In Peace Mick Aston. Your memory lives on. Your interest in archaeology was infectious. Thanks for sharing your passion with us

[@carolynhague7199]

This programme should never have been discontinued

[@NathanBowmanMusic]

It's still going on Patreon!

[@paulahislop222]

it is back, now , and funded by viewers

[@xxspudsmomxx]

It’s a poor and uninteresting show with a bunch of cardboard people trying to fill the shoes of the original fabulous cast who can never be replaced.

[@alangrant5278]

Too intellectually and not politically or DEI enough to be funded

[@clareu9539]

@@alangrant5278 Neither. Channel 4 wanted them to do more re-enactment etc type activities on screen and less actual archeology. Understandably, Mick didn't want that and so didn't renew the contract with the channel.

[@thomasbell7033]

I love Phil the architectural historian: "That's a classic motte -- just a big mound a' dirt."

[@Rockhoundingcolorado]

Thomas Bell was my grandfather by marriage. My grandfather Abraham Bledsoe Married his daughter Kathryn Ball oh around 1700s Virginia colony I believe.

[@thomasbell7033]

@@Rockhoundingcolorado I'm old, but I swear I didn't do it.

[@Rockhoundingcolorado]

@@thomasbell7033 lol

[@juttamaier2111]

.."it's a real thrill to dig in a really deep hole"!... the man is perfwct for the job :-)

[@terryt.1643]

Phil’s Mot trench was a thing of art. He really does fine work. The Time Team really opened a lot of minds to the value of archeology. The whole team contributed to history. 👍👍

[@ORDEROFTHEKNIGHTSTEMPLAR13]

MOTTE

[@joshschneider9766]

motte ;) and that was just as much Ian and the mechanical digger as phil. ;)

[@ORDEROFTHEKNIGHTSTEMPLAR13]

Never seen anyone get more excited to find a brick like phil before hes not bothered about the gold trinkets just bricks for him😂

[@PercyPruneMHDOIFandBars]

Nah. If you REALLY want to see him excited, watch when he finds some flints! 😁

[@buzzzzzz69]

​@@PercyPruneMHDOIFandBars He even spends his down time knapping flint.😊

[@anthonydavidson7156]

Phil is a genuine mate to all. What a great personality!❤

[@carinemunro1077]

this is Phillipa Gregory one of my favourite authors and time team , my day is made!

[@joshschneider9766]

theres also a much more modern interview with her on the time team channel discussing her latest book.

[@adamsjerome1839]

Mick's sweaters and caps were so unique.

[@ORDEROFTHEKNIGHTSTEMPLAR13]

Old timers used to knit them and send there jumpers in for mick

[@joshschneider9766]

It's fascinating how the bailey evolved as the medieval period ended. A lot more archaeology has been done there since this episode. Groby old hall is a truly fascinating site as are the grey family. Phillippa Gregorys book is a great read on this family.

[@AnthonyTobyEllenor-pi4jq]

Sir John Grey de Groby died 1451, is a distant ancestor of mine, it was interesting to see his place of abode !

[@joshschneider9766]

@@AnthonyTobyEllenor-pi4jq he certainly had elegant tastes in architecture.

[@joshschneider9766]

@@AnthonyTobyEllenor-pi4jq also i highly recommend Dr Gregorys book. thats your lineage my friend. for us its interesting. for you its blood.

[@michellepollard3591]

Will miss you Mick really loved your Joy of all things Ancient .

[@robertallan4916]

Looking foward to having Mick and Phil in my living-room. Plus all the rest... Almost a family of ancienteers!

[@valswhitewolf6611]

Mic died in 2012.I love all the Time Teams with him in them as well as without.

[@Ron2615]

yeah they were the best end of that era

[@investment-mk3vl]

For me Mick was the archetypal deeply knowledgeable cornerstone of his craft and time team. A captain that never raised his voice to direct his troops. He was respected and loved. Miss him so thank god for technology that he continúes to teach and share

[@nevillemignot1681]

As a long time Time Team watcher the people i look forward to seeing the most are Mick, Tony and Stewart, they do make the show for me and they always say pleasant things about others. And i think Mick and Stewart display the most know-how in planning a dig and the lie of that particular piece of land.

[@chriskennard5920]

Great episode and lovely to see Mick pulling it all together. And Paul Blinkhorn is so impressive with his input - just love to hear and see his first class input in these episodes.

[@DD_11111]

Groby was the home of some of my ancestors so I really enjoyed this one

[@sarahstrong7174]

Thankyou to all who were involved in making these programmes & everyone who helped to make them available here.

[@fox.loves.autumn]

One of my absolute favourites! ❤️ Thank you so much for posting these classics for us to watch again!

[@thehelmsdepot]

Just how I wanted to start my Sunday. New upload from Time Team.

[@seantice]

I have always been a fan of the show, the team and the archeology/history but now, having dug into my own ancestry (both traditional and DNA) watching this show knowing i have a familial connection to the estate it brings a whole new level of appreciation to each find and all the work done to bring the past back to life.

[@ghighiannemorrison4922]

I live in Australia and I too have familial connection to the site. We may be very very distant cousins

[@kclark843]

I live in Maine, USA and also have connections. Amazing.

[@ORDEROFTHEKNIGHTSTEMPLAR13]

Thousands and thousands of people across the world have connections connections as well same with the ROYALS in England I think around 25-35+ of BRITONS are related

[@humanwrytes6167]

The little quips are magic. Yall make me laugh out loud. "One stone is a stone, 2 stones a Norman Castle" Hloh, hloh, hloh!!!

[@buzzzzzz69]

And three stones in a row makes a wall.... The standard in archaeology. 😊

[@KreativeKerri]

I love time team. So grateful for these episodes!

[@CaptainAMAZINGGG]

Me too! IT IS THE BEST THING!!! 💜💜💜

[@fernlibra9737]

I love seeing you guys doing these little videos during the revamp of Time team but I still watch all the years with of episodes and miss all of you so the biggest love here is seeing how you guys have all got on so gracefully and how strong your supporters are even today. Absolutely incredible but I still want to see you guys come back in for the dig. It's kinda boring now even though we have the tech and drones and all. Huge fan hope you are all great. Thanks for the new content it's so cool to listen to.

[@tomwatson9710]

What a fascinating episode, it really did had everything. Thank you Time Team

[@nevillemignot1681]

Including Stewart and John agreeing on something!!

[@borderreiver3288]

RIP Mick...you will be sorely missed.....

[@michelemcneill3652]

So much amazing history in your beautiful country.

[@donnarouse5366]

When they mentioned Philippa Gregory, I was excited to know that I had read a few of her literary offerings. Little did I know that I was reading history. Thank you miss Gregory. And what is great is I have a little connection to lancashire.

[@malcolmformosa1772]

R.I.P Mick, I'm watching from all the way down under from Mount Gambier in the State Of South Australian.🥇🇦🇺🦘⚜️👑⚜️🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🇬🇧

[@psychedelicprawncrumpets9479]

Gday next door neighbour.. WA 🇦🇺😂

[@maureentupaea4205]

Thank you lads. This is something that has been bothering me too recently. I sort of worked my way through it, with faith....though I hadn't realised I had this faith. I love the idea of facing these issues head on with study, research and faith...thank you.

[@PaulMahon-w2b]

Now grab the book next to the one your done reading. And put the one you read back and continue to grow 😊

[@lundworks9901]

I loved watching the old Time Team and welcome the new members; we don't live forever and one day we will be under the dirt as well. My 110 year old house burned into the basement, 5 generations of artifacts someone will excavate one day.

[@rhondakiblinger7339]

Very excited and supportive of the new Time Team! This one was one of the best!!

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Thanks!

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What an exciting episode! Thank you

[@michaelbelisle8930]

I have been watching for about 6 months in that time I have learned more about history than I learned in school. I am american

[@lucywarner7031]

This is true for me too, and the processes used to mix mortar, paint plaster walls, seeing how the people during the bronze age made a sword, etc. etc.

[@TeamCGS2005]

Oh this was (like many other episodes) one which deserved more than the standard 3 days.

[@peggybaxter8480]

I love your videos! You're a great team. Very entertaining and at the same time teaching me history which I love. Thank You.!.

[@katharper655]

WOTTA COINCIDENCE! Philippa Gregory is one of my favourite Female novelists. At this very moment, I'm reading for the 4th time Ms. Gregory's superb novel "THE CONSTANT PRINCESS" A beautifully done novelization of the Life of Catherine Of Aragon. It fills in the missing bits of that magnificent Queen's Life Story, *

[@lynnedwards7462]

Favourite TT quote... "... the radar's just hit something..."

[@ORDEROFTHEKNIGHTSTEMPLAR13]

or milk with his ritual sacrifice

[@jimsullivan3481]

Hey bud. I think the way your videos are these days are perfect. Not too short. Not too long. Authentic. Doin great!!! Keep em coming!!!!

[@xxsparrowxx8568]

Dont you dare stop time team. Been watching since the first episode! Love you all so much!

[@StanSwan]

Great episode I have never seen before. Amazing stuff.

[@magnuspetrini8528]

Tack!

[@bruceklassen8261]

Most amazing series ever, I say Thank You Time Team

[@awishinandahopin7232]

Love watching these videos! Thanks!🇺🇸🗽☺️

[@BobbyLCollins]

This episode contains some very inaccurate (if not flat-out incorrect) historical research. With the possible exception of the Norman tower (which was already gone), all the archaeology excavated in this episode was inhabited by the de Ferrers family (related to the de Ferrers of Rutland and Derby, whose forefather fought alongside William the Conqueror in the Norman Conquest). The only thing the Greys had to do with any of this archaeology is that they tore it down and (supposedly) inhabited the brick house standing today, which was barely even mentioned in this episode. The family tree shown at 12:20 confirms the dates don't match up with what the "expert" is saying, and that the Greys had nothing to do with the archaeology uncovered here (beyond destroying it). Furthermore, the town of Groby's official website suggests that neither Elizabeth nor Jane Grey ever even lived in Groby Old Hall but lived instead at Bradgate Estate (when Jane Grey was executed, all the trees in Bradgate Park were symbolically "beheaded" as well). I strongly suspect this is a prime example of why Mick Aston left the show soon afterwards, citing lower standards of research and quality control. In this case, the "expert" was not a historian, but rather a controversial "historical novelist," whose characterizations of Anne Boleyn and Elizabeth of York have drawn notable criticism from actual historians. This should have been an episode about the rise and fall of the de Ferrers at Groby Castle, not about a Queen-for-Less-Than-A-Fortnight who probably never even lived there (but credit where it's due, the de Ferrers of Rutland were featured prominently in a later episode about Oakham Hall). Here is Wessex Archaeology's official report on this site; www.wessexarch.co.uk/our-work/groby-old-hall There's some fascinating additional information. Highlights include further evidence that the original tower may have actually been Saxon, they uncovered Roman coins and pottery from the site, and a survey map drawn up in 1757 shows a structure of some sort still on top of Castle Hill (not clear if it's the ruins of the tower or a later building). They found a LOT more archaeology than is shown in this episode, and I wish they'd focused more on the finds, and less on the charlatan "expert" trying to rewrite history in order to sell her book about the White Queen.

[@jakubj_]

Thanks for an insightful comment. Definitely seems like "QA" should have caught this back in the day.

[@emk7132]

Thanks for this comment! I would have remained ignorant of those details otherwise.

[@JOHNSMITH-qb2jr]

I suspect Aston was a bit peed off with it all by then, but it was a pay cheque, to turn up for a short while over a few days. Aston was quite good at supporting community archaeo, and wandered around one of our areas in Worcestershire for and with us The brick tower jumped around with date of 14 th to 15th century. The archaeology was skimpy, with a few small holes over a vast site. I still don't understand how the 3 day myth lasted so long.

[@TheSteveBoyd]

Next I suppose you're going to tell me that the Ark of the Covenant isn't resting at the bottom of a hole on Oak Island! 🤣 I guess the BBC isn't so different than American television after all.

[@paulweary614]

@@TheSteveBoyd Time Team was commissioned and broadcast on Channel 4, not the BBC.

[@amandajrieder1704]

a love of history and the interest in this family is timeless, ty for this video.

[@aliceskewthorpe8991]

Great work... Love the presentation... Can't wait till next video! Blessings to all ❤

[@kathleenlake4555]

Thanks! 10.00

[@MickCampin-jp9kb]

It was a pleasure to meet both Mick and Karenza on GWR train (🤤) to Bristol alot of years ago.

[@joshschneider9766]

except its Carenza. With a C. Cuz its spanish, and not german. ;)

[@54mgtf22]

Aah Time Team. My happy place.

[@dewaynesmith1718]

I love time team and the fact they had philippa Gregory there was even better. 1 of my possible ancestors was mentioned in her book the constant princess.

[@InglewoodMum]

So lovely to see Mick again 🙂

[@pfrstreetgang7511]

18 years of Tony never being able to guess what Mick is going to say at the start of the project

[@jessicabell3402]

This is amazing!!!! I've traced my family back to king William the first, so watching this and learning more is Amazing!

[@joshschneider9766]

Your family history is a fascinating insight into UK history for those of us that just find it interesting and don't have a connection like that.

[@casb1965]

Same and also back to Hugh de Grandmesnil, the man who had Groby Castle built.

[@shaunalea823]

I do as well. My father recently found we descend from Thomas Grey marquis of Dorset and thus we descend from Elizabeth Woodville and her first husband who was John Grey of Groby.

[@Rumbleinazoo]

​@@shaunalea823 my family desends from them as well maybe we are related. I live in the US

[@thaifreeburma]

What an amazing story - incredible forgotten history

[@rhondaenglish4022]

Power thoughts all. Love you ❤. Keep his voice loud. ❤️ !!! Thankyou.

[@PaulMahon-w2b]

Who's?????😮

[@evilborg]

I wonder if anyone from the past there said one day "I wonder what people in the future will think on how well we lived"

[@larryzigler6812]

Just who are the "we " ?

[@cshartley101]

@larry. Them.

[@tomwatson1220]

Heaven is finding a new episode.....

[@CaptainAMAZINGGG]

It's not new. I've seen it a while ago on here but a different channel. And then of corse also I've seen it yearrrs ago closer to the time it was originally aired on TV in England when I lived there. You may wanna do a search for time team full episodes, and maybe many others you've not yet seen, will emerge. There are loads that are in other countries but is this cast, they aren't on this channel, and i like em very much!!! 😌😌😌

[@HLBear]

It's new to the official TT channel, thanks. Some of us love TT but have to watch it on KZbin and want to support the TT organization so are happy to see it "new" here.

[@CoiaItaly]

Thanks

[@TimeTeamClassics]

Thank you for supporting Time Team!

[@Snaerffer]

One of the most interesting episodes of all. Really informative and good watching.

[@AnnaAnna-uc2ff]

Thank you.

[@seanpaula8924]

Another great episode. Greetings from Michigan USA.

[@Ubique2927]

Newtown Linford just down the road with many buildings that are centuries old. Maybe even Norman.

[@rogergriffin9893]

Being an old hippie with an interest in archaeology and beer, my favorite member of Time Team is Phil of course. But I liked all of them, even Tony(even as much as he wears on the nerves).

[@townview5322]

Isn't it amazing that a property with such history is just there and somone can just buy it? I live in Sydney and that sort of architectural history simply doesn't exist. (I can show you the cobbled boat ramp where goods were brought in from supply ships in the harbour in the late 1700's.) Good on the fireman for rescuing the White Queen's home.

[@buzzzzzz69]

No archaeology in Sydney huh? They just dig up 4,000 year old skeletons from under bus stops!

[@joshschneider9766]

it ended up bankrupting him and he was forced to sell it. but he evidently considered it worth every penny.

[@Brembelia]

I'm glad these historic sites are being brought back. I lament every time I see a documentary showing a castle in ruination. I always think the govermnent should be funding the restoration of these all important historical sites. I lament because I know, once they are gone, we can never get them back again. Best to try and grab them now and restore them as museums for tomorrows kids. When I visited Scandinavia, I made a point to go to their folk museums and check it all out. It was winter and one folk village was closed, but one beautiful lady took me around for a one-on-one tour. I think this is when the history/archeology bug bit. It was overwhelming to think that I was walking in hundreds of years old homes and churches and looking at artifacts one thousand or more years old. Heady stuff. It gave me a rush like nothing else. I have been a history lover ever since. I sincerely hope that everyone will take an interest in protecting and restoring their national treasures before the business class tears it all down to put up a parking lot.

[@CartoonHistory]

I wish I found stuff like this in my back garden! All that is there presently are presents from my Cat!!

[@paulinekingston7479]

I live in New Zealand, no ancient buildings here, I am obsessed with my British history!!!

[@ORDEROFTHEKNIGHTSTEMPLAR13]

What country are you in?

[@barbaraguinn2522]

Yes, Mick I know you are up there looking down n laughing at your buddies. You are gone but never forgotten or far away....

[@nickychimes4719]

Up where? How can he laugh if he's dead? What are you on about???

[@nickychimes4719]

Looking down?? The guy is dead, not far away!

[@obcl8569]

12:35 Philippa says Hugo was granted Groby by *William I,* after Hastings, but the document shows at 5:53 that it was *William Rufus*, his son who she goes on to explain Hugo had a falling out with who is named as having made him Lord Groby in 1086. Full disclaimer: Just finished my 5th Philippa Gregory novel from her Cousin's Wars series & am therefore perhaps feeling *EXTRA vigilant* about her creative licenses & her (massively confusing, given her obvious expertise on the subject) outright blatant inaccuracies, errors & blunders (e.g. Edward IV's court is said to be at Nonsuch Palace at one point?! Or how the Tudor Rose is repeatedly described as being *a white rose with a red center* vs. the actual red rose with a white center, etc.) There are *literally incredible* errors, I may have some residual trauma lol, but even so - this seems confusing.

[@cato1684]

I love Philippa Gregory’s Novels, her research and accuracy has a lot to be desired.

[@markgreet3543]

Lady jane grey, rode her horse in groby, but lived in newton linford another amazing area.

[@whthefulks4121]

Time team was a Great show I never knew about it until I found it on KZbin one day it never was on T.V in the U.S as far I know anyway now was time team America but was nothing like the British original show.

[@candaceschermerhorn4078]

I love this, it is my family history. I want to know more.

[@candaceschermerhorn4078]

Anne Millinton Ferris was my 4th Great Grandmother, Married Daniel Whelpley.

[@wendymcdaniel2483]

Me too, descend from Elizabeth Woodville.

[@ranonampangom2185]

Well uh you share this ancestry with millions of people

[@NikkiDoesStufff]

Lucky. I can’t trace my ancestry beyond 1900. I wish I knew more

[@jimshort942]

Been watching these for decades. Amazing history. Do u not get a lottery grant for these endeavours? But two substantive questions. Water is important. So what importance is given to that to find houses, keeps etc in archaeology. And any pre dig research or blooper reels available?

[@ORDEROFTHEKNIGHTSTEMPLAR13]

Yes No

[@theobolt250]

Who knew, that our Baldrick could be such a clever clogs? 😄

[@RBS.23]

He had a cunning plan!

[@edwinbarnes5661]

I was very disappointed to not see John Cleese hurtling insults with a French accent at the researchers from a high point.

[@FlyingMidge2024]

Wrong castle. That scene was filmed at Doune Castle in Scotland

[@mrmarmellow555]

@@FlyingMidge2024 NICE FACTZ 💯❣️ But Chivalry and Polite Custom In the COMMENTS ON These NOBLE TOPICS IS APPRECIATED And Ofen EXPECTED ❣️🤔🍵😚🏰

[@Bowie_E]

Your mother was a hamster and your father smelled of ELDERBERRIES

[@janskeet1382]

……..and your father smelt of elderberries 😅😅

[@elainewood2947]

God bless Michael, he will be very much missed.

[@annazaman9657]

This is a good one

[@victoriahhigman9611]

Phils great! He finds everything!

[@VintagepaperdollcuttingC-wq5ql]

The de Ferrer family are my direct descendants. They eventually went to Canada and now are the Farrow family of Nova Scotia.

[@Stephen-cd1id]

I worked at the hospital before they shut it. Loverly grounds

[@markbruce3530]

Bradgate park is a place they should be visiting. Grey family built it.

[@Saint_Vincent1735]

How many archeological remains have been destroyed ignored and unrecorded by companies building roads and motorways

[@markhirstwood4190]

Anglian. Very few if any Frisians or Saxons in that part of England. Normans weren't really enough in number to change the genepool but usually being of Danish or Norwegian Viking heritage, often with French wives, and intermarrying in England, the Normans were and basically are the same DNA as the English anyway. Coastal North Sea Germanic-Scandinavian with native 'Celtic' British and/or French. Some Normans were apparently Breton and Flemish, etc, btw. Hugh de Grandmesnil at 5'8" wasn't 'amazingly tall' for that time; 5'8" was the average. King Harald of Norway was 6'4" and that was considered quite tall.

[@Ubique2927]

Have Time Team ever started digging on say a 10/11th century building and gone down and hit a Roman Mosaic or similar such fined?

[@TheShootist]

perhaps not a mosaic, but yes. and Iron, Bronze and Neolithic

[@BobbyLCollins]

They found Saxon and Roman finds here, they just didn't mention it (it's possible they only unearthed them after the cameras stopped rolling?)

[@adriaandeleeuw8339]

My sons old family castle lol, according to Geni. My Ex wife's family is related to the who's who of old England and Wales with relatives illustrated on the Bayeux tapestry, Sir Walter Raliegh and Sir Francis Drake..

[@forthwithtx5852]

Interesting episode!

[@promontorium]

It was funny when they were legitimately looking for 1960s artifacts in order to find 900 year old artifacts.

[@kelliv2995]

18:00 He mentions the "Greys" & I (only half listening while scrolling videos) stop & think "Hey❣️ Are my worlds colliding?" lol 👽

[@kelliv2995]

I know to whom he was referring, of course. Wrong name spelling ❤

[@robertalanbuckle9809]

love time team

[@indifilm]

Love TT!

[@MissCV]

Bahahahah mick “come on, here, you’ve already been in there hundreds of years”

[@JuliahistoryLover]

I would love to hear more about houses and the way that they were built… Like, what’s the Matt and Bailey? Was the kitchen formal or was it just for cooking like I’d love to hear an hour long detailed video about the structure of the way houses were put together with their different rooms and purposes back then eta

[@christineelsbury5479]

just wondering if you have ever done the castle Haydon/Hayden in the town of Haydon not sure of the new times?

[@kimwhitehead9096]

Dig up that castle!

[@thomasjunkins6491]

Sharing 💯

[@rhondaenglish4022]

Knowing lidar and slowly digging up humanity. The anscestors, keep speaking out truth.Mother Gaia, keep sharing.But can we heal "HUMANITY ", "Definitely, this lovely dig,also disentangle change my power prayers HUMANITY.,please.

[@PaulMahon-w2b]

Done you now talk of cheese 😊

[@ordyhorizonrivieredunord712]

I wouldn't argue with any of these blokes, anywhere is somewhere, keep going 🗝

[@mikemyshka1472]

I am loving this show, since I just learn my family has ancestry genealogy form Leicestershire near here but not this location as I known it.

[@mikemyshka1472]

The only issue is I am a crossed the pond they call the Atlantic and can not go see the sites much.