Behringer Poly D - Final Thoughts

Here are my final thoughts on the Poly D after owning and playing it for 10 or more weeks. This is my third video on the Poly D and I think it is now time to move on and make a video about another piece of hardware.
You can listen to the soundtrack on SoundCloud here:
/ poly-d-final-thoughts

[@TimShoebridge]

Feedback just received from Behringer: They are aware of the midi issue and will have a fix available very soon. UPDATE: New firmware v1.08 now available but you need Synth Tool v2.3.5 to install it. Thanks a lot to Mike G for providing this info.

[@Kiracki]

Tim Shoebridge I am also having the same problem- also using cubase. there seems to be a firmware update out since yesterday which adresses this issue (v 1.0.8).

[@netztherapie5723]

@@Kiracki any1 else having problems updating the Poly D via Synthtool?

[@Kiracki]

Netztherapie yes, me 2 and lots of others according 2 forums. So it seems to be a conmon problem and hopefully will b resolved by behringer soon.

[@netztherapie5723]

@@Kiracki good to hear that i am Not the only one... let me know if your hear about a fix pls 👍

[@ulrichlambert3879]

What about the click issue?

[@Thoracius]

The click thing is fairly normal on a lot of synthesizers. Any time you have a super fast release that chops a waveform mid cycle, you'll hear that as a click, especially on a low frequency sound with not a lot of overtones. Essentially you're briefly changing a smooth sine-like curve into a square, if that helps you visualize why you'd hear that as a transient higher frequency. Another common cause of release clicks is if you do the opposite -- have a fast release on filter and slow one on the amp. You'll hear the sudden change in timbre as a click.

[@InnerPeaceSounds]

Frankly, I actually like these clicks!

[@jokeyman2943]

Of course. anyone whose had any experience playing the original analog controls to change the the attack, decay, release etc. should know that!

[@eyeopner]

This, I've only been messing with synths for a short while and It seemed pretty obvious to me.. Looks like he's got quite a good amount of gear and seems strange that wasn't something he'd experienced with other synths... maybe my budget isn't high enough and this doesn't happen on more expensive equipment?

[@chakko007]

@@InnerPeaceSounds They can be used in a very musical way. In this case though, the control he's operating should indeed make no difference, as it's the decay control, and release isn't activated for the envelope, which the decay control will control, if it's activated. It basically does nothing to the sound, yet it eliminates the click. I think he's right that there's something odd going on. Would be interesting if the same happens on the Model D.

[@lukequincey7187]

Hi Tim. I just wanted to say that your videos are incredible and completely inspiring. Because of your content, I decided to go and buy The Behringer Poly D. I’m so happy with it and I’m sure it’s going to be a good start to my version of a synth collection. I value your opinion and content greatly, and really just wanted to say thank you. 🙏🏽🎹✌🏽

[@davidgoode7416]

Happy with it?

[@Siprophet08]

Be careful, every collection starts with '1' and it soon becomes an obsession. When I was 14 I bought an old used Multimoog to hook up to my C64 to control an additive synth I programmed. 40 years later I have a room full of the damned things and I need to sell some to make room for new ones!

[@mpmi7588]

Thanks for being a straight forward video channel with no gimmicks to get people to come back.Nice joint at the end too.

[@johnpfontana]

Thanks for the thorough report, the quirks of this instrument seem very manageable, the important thing is that it's a source of inspiration, which is evident in this exquisite track you've produced with it. Looking forward to mine, whenever it finally arrives, and it'll save me some time learning how to work around its quirks, so thank you for this!

[@keekeefries6298]

You sir are doing us all a great service by creating these meticulous and inspirational videos. Thank you 🙏

[@PerryCodes]

Spot on re: synth interfaces. When dealing with creative processes, to stop the train while you spin through menus is an inspiration killer!

[@eddieburke3816]

Hey Tim, thanks for your honest feedback per these A/B comparisons. Financially motivated sales people don’t focus on the most important features of what I believe now to be a heavily discounted pure analog synth per its electronic offerings. Compared to how things were priced over the past 5 decades, these new Behringer releases have indeed shocked the industry, so again, thank you very much for your quality input, your time, your trouble and obvious expertise. Educating young musicians to discern better is a beautiful thing!

[@mikaeljohansson83]

As always when I hear your music I travel to a different place in my mind. Cool and tranquil place where everything is perfect:)

[@schlenbea]

Sounds so good and great sounding song. Right up my alley. I might just pick one of these up because of that very song. It sounds like something I started writing years ago but couldn't get the sounds "analog" enough! I think you've convinced me!

[@Syarikat]

Thank you! Just got mine 3 days ago and couldn’t agree more

[@MichaelSydneyJones]

Thanks

[@LTK33]

Thanks for clearing up things for potential buyers like myself and love the music!

[@alessandrogolinelli3185]

Sempre e ancora Grazie 🙏 dei tuoi videos e disponibilità.

[@valley_robot]

i only use midi to sync time , all my stuff is live recorded into garageband as an audio file , this is a bug , but it will not affect the "live" musician at all , behringer you are the reason i can now afford awsome gear, keep on keeping on

[@draztiqmeshaz6226]

13:50 is didn't get rid of the click, just the higher frequency component of it, there's still a click which sounds like a ghost note on a kick drum

[@torbenanschau6641]

About the midi issue: Seems to me you need local off. That's an issue with all midi keyboards actually, because you're creating a loop. So most keyboards have a switch for that somewhere, maybe it is in the synthtool somewhere? If not then that needs an update. However you can always get away from that problem if you simply turn off Midi Thru on your cubase track. In other keyboards you may not notice the issue because they are poly, but with a mono getting a "midi feedback" there is no more voice left.

[@WarrenPostma]

This could be done better in the cubase UI, if the record button and the midi send button were separate track controls. Altering your track midi output to reroute is clumsy. For some outboard midi chains you really do need to just inhibit the cubase midi loop generation thing.

[@Mrpsblobsoflowendmung]

Exactly what I thought when he was saying it . I think it’s in the settings app

[@wajobu]

Sounds great, Tim! Yes, there is an audible click on that release.

[@BarryWarne]

Bill Hemsath & Bob Moog got the layout right and musicians have come back time and time again. With modern additions & tweaks keeping everything current, we will see resurrections of the instruments for decades to come. 12:43 that click or release pop reminds me of playing a Clavinet and I don't mind, gives it a rather funky pluck, or vice versa.

[@executionsquad3926]

Nice track. Really like the sound of this synth. Thanks for the video!

[@waltstephens1346]

Love your options! And your accent! You're a talented monster. Thank you for your time. Xox

[@torbenanschau6641]

About the click issue, I tried it with the Model-D and it's there as well. Starrsky Carr also adressed this problem about the attack, when you make the envelope really fast, a loud click will appear. This can be especially annoying as effects will apply on that noise and echoing all over your moog sound. It's a bit like a key klick on a hammond (where good recreations try to emulate that as accurately as possible). That click has even higher frequencies as the decay click. However I don't konw whether this is correct but someone said it was because of the envelopes being even faster than on the original. Now as I'm trying it it seems to me it's actually about the loudness contour bringing both noises. When I have both attack and decay on 0 for both contours and raise the filter attack I need to turn it to 5 until the click is gone. But I can leave that on zero when move the loudness attack only by a little. As for the Decay, I can't dissolve the click with the filter decay at all, no matter how far I turni it up. Same for the filter sustain. But for the loudness just a little more decay gets it away. And even the loudness sustain reduces the second click. So I think these clicks are induced by the loudness contours on shortest setting.

[@MeMe-sz4pf]

Thanks for this additional info. Just to be clear, did you try it with Behringer Model-D or Moog Model-D ? I'd like to know if this behavior is specific to Behringer's mini-d and poly-d, or is it present on Moog's model D as well.

[@anthonypatterson8796]

Me Me I’ve never heard of this problem with Moogs model d.

[@torbenanschau6641]

@@anthonypatterson8796 I'm actually not even sure wether to see that as a problem. It only occurs with an extrem setting of zero attack and decay. to avoid you just turn up both a little which still wouldn't mean you really have an attack phase. On the other hand you can certainly use this behaviour. Sometimes little imperfections sooner or later come part of a legend. That's what happened with the key click on a hammond or even the "leakage". It developes its charme and becomes kind of a characteristic the original moog may not have had. Now someone makes a huge hit using the Poly-D and makes usage of that feature - everyone is gonna run after it.

[@torbenanschau6641]

@@MeMe-sz4pf With the Behringer Model-D of course, I'm not really that wealthy. About the moog - Starrsky really got up his reissue and it is there with the initial click but way less than on the behringer.

[@brainbox9219]

Basically, buy one while you can because the analog distortion is heavenly and has sequencer 😍

[@iantanner7579]

Appreciate *every* video. ; ) ~ yeah, i agree, in fact i haven't done any menu-diving since the late 90s.

[@issiewizzie]

Issues nicely pointed out and the Poly D was nicely played

[@percussionboy4357]

I appreciate your spending several videos on one synth. Will be curious to see if you have any new tricks for the Matriarch.

[@genx1144]

Very impressive. I watch all your videos. Everyone needs a Poly D. You have one of the best synth channels that exist. Your videography/presentation is excellent. I'm certain you're right about a simple firmware update will clear up those issues. Makes sense. Thank you Mr. Shoebridge.

[@wshow6787]

The “click” sounds similar to the snap when a VCF cutoff is controlled by a short attacking or releasing section of an envelope.

[@omarbonifacino3381]

Very great sound Behringher

[@PnPModular]

Great video Tim really enjoy your point of view

[@stevecoscia]

Informative video, Tim. Thanks for your objectivity.

[@paul_ward_music]

The MIDI problem... They seem to have solved it apart from pitchbenbd. Pitchbend still doesn't work when generated at the Poly D and received back by the Poly D (at least over USB, which is how I have it connected).

[@djalexia]

Thx for these updates. I’m waiting for B. to ship out to stores this P. D . I’m diving into the Subsequent 37 right now ... thing is I’d like to have more voices to work with... we shall see. Love the track you’ve done with just the Poly D & drums groove.

[@TimShoebridge]

djalexia Thanks very much. Yes 4 note paraphonic mode makes this synth extremely flexible imho

[@djalexia]

@@TimShoebridge Absolutely, in love with the Moog Subsequet 37 but I don't play in a band and live gigs and just for studio-work for now I rather an analog synth with more polyphonies this way I can stretch the usage and excuse the bucks spent. Won't deny It'll be hard to let go the Subsequent 37... ;)

[@michelkasday]

That click sounds like the filter dealing with the last of the residual voltage from the oscillators while still being open enough to apply the filter

[@simonbeck7446]

As soon as I heard that click I thought "Turn the release time up, damn it!". I'm surprised that you think that it's a bug - I am very familiar with this sound, even though I don't have a Poly D or even a Model D. An immediate transient will almost always cause a click, but on release it is more obvious because it is followed by silence. Just turn up the release slightly. It isn't a bug, just the result of having tight envelopes!

[@ReallyDudeYouGottaHearThis]

Organ players “dig” that click.

[@PerryCodes]

He thinks it's a bug because it IS a bug. There are two switches that turn off decay - one for the filter envelope, the other for the volume envelope. The click he's demonstrating is with the decay OFF (or supposedly off).

[@makers1958]

Jason Perry - I wonder if there isn’t some cross circuiting because there is only on “Decay” switch on the Poly D; the D is the model with two switches.

[@AndyVonal]

And I love your track, as always! Lovely trippy, little tune!

[@stevecoscia]

My second time watching this. Enjoyed it as much as the first. Thanks.

[@lassel1644]

The Poly D is hard to checkout since they are nowhere to be found in Swedish music stores. Could be some issue with other huge manufacturers since the are priced so low.

[@Asmotiv]

Thank you very much for your Informational videos.

[@chrisbran6739]

Wonderful clicky bass !

[@THESYNTHBARD]

Thank you for your videos on the Poly D! I'd definitely like to get one at some point, I love an instrument that drives inspiration!

[@DaveBessell]

The midi issue is a bit odd I agree. The other issue - click/noise on key release with particular envelope settings is idiosyncratic but actually its something i would make deliberate use of. many acoustic instruments have a small amount of noise associated with lifting a finger off a string or key. To be able to mimic that easily is a feature rather than a problem as far as I am concerned. Its not that unusual for envelopes on many synths to do slightly unexpected things at extreme settings. Unless its horribly disruptive I would just treat it as character and work with it.

[@poserp]

Yeah, I'd actually expect this behavior, just like I'd expect an audible click with the fastest attack setting. I've played various synths/modules that work the same way.

[@Gabriel.A.L.]

if you cut a waveform quickly, it always clicks. This happens with every fast envelopes

[@shivanjamal1375]

Thank you so much for making this video, the fact that you noticed little issues prove to me that you genuinely know what you're doing. You earned another sub. Love from Kurdistan

[@pepe7drum]

I really liked the poly d features I'm thinking of getting one but I've read reviews where tuning is a problem, how well it works after a year or two of usage? Is there any big problem to have in mind before spending money on it?

[@fakedoug7414]

Great vid, thanks for your work!

[@magicroomstudios]

MIDI issue - prob can be avoided by turning off "local control" which you would have to do anyways. To avoid hearing doubled notes... The "local control" command can often be sent via MIDI if it can't be found in a menu.

[@airtimedesign]

Was there a firmware fix for the MIDI input output monitoring?

[@FamilySyndicate]

The pop on the key release I had with my Arp Omni originally too. However if I moved the "release" to any level above 0 even the slightest movement, it'd go away. Interesting to hear it on the poly D.

[@michaelevan9184]

Really enjoy your channel

[@FransvandenBergeMuziekschuur]

What is possible over midi? Can an external controller controll the knobs? Can the Poly D connected to two Model D's be a multi timbral instrument? Polyphony?

[@daveholt8208]

Bloody hell... I seriously love Jean-Michel Jarre... so much I spell his name correctly... and I was seriously dancing around to your music... well fucking done. Marvellous! x

[@Funkbutterfly]

Your thoughtful and articulate videos are winners in my book.

[@stergiost.6246]

Hello.. I remember that you had a great demo of the ensoniq esq1.. I cannot find it anymore in your channel. Have you deleted it?

[@jamwithjason3112]

fo rthe mike dean sound that he gets from mini moog voyager, would you suggest i get a moog grandmother or subsequent 37 or behringer poly d?

[@hfugmann]

Great video, Tim 🙏

[@megadavel1]

Savage sequence, OMD would be jealous!

[@fredericocamposcosta323]

Hi Tim, regarding midi: in ableton, if i use it’s arpegiator (since its more “complete” than the poly d’s ) it only triggers osc 1 on the poly d. Going to try the same process but with the ob6 arp out to the poly d. Hope it works! Thanks for all the effort you put in your videos! Really helpful

[@fredericocamposcosta323]

And another thing I noticed. When the poly d's clock is set to external over midi usb, I cannot change the poly d's arpeggiator rate. If I move the tempo knob nothing happens. With shift-tempo only the arp gate changes.

[@HrWisch]

Check the settings via he Behringer app. Sounds like your Poly D is using the MIDI clock when connected. That can be changed in the app. There are quite some things you can modify with that app, including the annoying pseudo touch sense behavior and the note priority (which I can't thank Behringer enough for implementing it).

[@AndyVonal]

Hi Tim...Thanks for another great video about this synth. I wanted to share a thought with you about the "click". Is it not just a quick release? As you pointed out, when you raise the decay you lose the click, but the "decay" on this synth is also hard wired to the "release" so a longer decay gives a longer release. My old pro-one does something similar when the release is set very low. I had other synths which had an initial "click" with a fast attack and increasing the attack by a bit got rid of the click in the same way that lengthening the release gets rid of the "end-click" on the pro-one. Just a thought. I wonder if the original MiniMoog does something like it? I'd better watch Starsky's side by side vid again!

[@AdamTheAd-vanc3d]

Hi Andrew . That's a very intresting one. There are quite a few theories about that envelope click. My initial thought was bad vca offset calibration (providing the vca circuit is exactly the same as the MM) perhaps from production this was not checked . My other thought is the trimmer used are cheap and a slight nudge in transport has knocked them out of whack slightly but enough to allow a few volts of offset hence the clicking. It was also mentioned on Starsky's vid that he thinks the Poly D may have digital envelopes. Or as you mention perhaps the envelopes are just so fast it's just a characteristic of the design.

[@AndyVonal]

@@AdamTheAd-vanc3d Hi Adamski! Thanks for the reply. I guess any of the above could be the cause. I seem to remember Starsky mentioning but couldn't remember exactly what he said. I have definitely had (and indeed still own) synths which "click" - certainly the Pro-one has very fast envelopes but I acknowledge that the cause could be something else with the Poly D. Synths are always a bit of a mystery - I guess that's why we love them (or sometimes hate them - DX7...)

[@florinchelniciuc831]

Hi sir! Those issues are solved now? It's more than 3 years....Thanks! 🙏🏻

[@monsterjazzlicks]

Nice track at the end Tim. ;-)

[@monsterjazzlicks]

A video of 2020 is "old" ? You stupid idiot!

[@guitarnica]

I love the sound of the intro chords from the song at 15:00, Do you maybe have a foto or so of how you adjusted the control knobs to get that sound? Would be very apreciated !! Kind regards charles

[@paulallenMacca]

Thanks for sharing your videos did Behringer ever fix that issue with no sound while recording. The first time I got interested in Synthesizer’s was when I was like 14 or 15 when I first got into Rick Wakeman probably around 1971 to 1973.

[@davidgoode7416]

Great video, thanks!

[@jayjones2821]

So there’s no “local control off” switch? Wow. Weird.

[@KiR_3d]

My complaint to Behringer: Why you've didn't added separate VCAs (plus AR envelopes) for every oscillator? Then it could have much cooler sound options! Matrix Brute has this feature. I'm sure that it costs just about +10-20$ to the price of the synth. And it will be still a paraphonic synth (in the same "market's level").

[@kierenmoore3236]

Just answered your own question …

[@poopypanysou812]

Wonderful tune!

[@Wanderlinse]

Hello Tim. Great review. I purchased a Poly D and it worked great until I wanted to make a firmware update. Removed all cables, no USB hub. There is only progress until 73% and then it stops with an error. The Poly D is now in DFU mode and is like dead. Only the power lamp flashes red, yellow and green. Any ideas? Thank you.

[@jataro7]

Thank you for doing this. You have pointed out most of the ins and outs. Now I will know what to listen out for when I get one. Love the song! ❤ Very Beautiful Sounds from the Poly D. 😁 Thanks for your help.

[@daxu9605]

Can't wait to hear about your thoughts on the Pittsburgh Modular Voltage Research Lab you got there in the back :D

[@TimShoebridge]

Blimey! You've got good eyesight! There's a bit of a learning curve for me with the VRL and also a lack of spare time. But I fully intend making a video once I feel qualified to speak about it.

[@daxu9605]

Tim Shoebridge I have one sitting on my desk. So, I recognize the knob and button patterns quite well. Can’t wait to hear your thoughts. I’m always discovering new possibilities with mine.

[@donovanfisher6945]

Have you done anything on the obx8? Views?

[@TimShoebridge]

Hi. No. It looks like an amazing instrument and opinions I have heard about the sound are extremely positive. I just don't have that kind of money and tbh I am very content with my OB6 which I think covers a lot of the ground.

[@PerryCodes]

I'm not 100% on this... but in one of my synths I have to turn local control off if I want Cubase to trigger notes, either when I'm playing or when the Cubase track is being played back.

[@crosoft1452]

Thoughts on poly d or the grandmother Tim? Love your work!

[@MadelnMachines]

Would you recommend a D or a Poly D for sound? Can you hear differences? I assumed the click issue I heard about would be at the attack of the sound. Strange. Did they fix it yet?

[@TimShoebridge]

Sorry for the late reply. I don't think the click has been resolved but I get the impression from others' comments that there are numerous synth makes and models out there with the same envelope behaviour and there are ways to get round it by tweaking the controls. Not an ideal answer but there are some people who are fine with the click and others who get driven crazy by it. As to Poly D vs Model D, there will be plenty of people out there who will tell you about headroom and that the Poly D will not achieve the same mono sounds as a Model D. For me very personally, it's 4 oscillators played together get you far enough, I'm very happy with the mono basses and leads I can get out of the Poly D and the fact that it plays 4 note paraphonic as well is a huge plus...

[@MadelnMachines]

@@TimShoebridge Thanks for your reply Tim. What I'm most interested in is which synth can do that soft warm saturation feedback trick that the moog does do beautifully.

[@johndavidpeer3107]

I've had both synths, and the Model D has a better saturation. The Poly D gets more fuzziness though, but it sounds like a pedal.

[@johndavidpeer3107]

So even with the click, you like this synth? Your demo with it sounds great...the click is not noticable. But when mine arrived a couple days ago, it's the first thing I noticed. Of course, studio head phones make it much more noticable I think. I actually have it packed up to ship back, but I keep hoping someone found a way to reduce it. Tweaking the attack helps, but you lose the nice fast attack for lead sounds. And to silence the lay-off click, the decay switch must be "on", with release time; not a good solution. I have been playing synths for 40 years, and this is, by far, the worst envelope clicking I've ever heard. My concern is for recording. It's not so bad for squelchy bass parts, or busy tracks...it would get buried. But what about soft, mellow, or fast lead lines?? Lol...it reminds me of a guitarist's noisy amplifier hum...and I am hearing all the same "denials"! "Hum? What hum?"

[@issiewizzie]

Great video ....can you please confirm that with the firmware update all the MIDI issues and sound issues have now been resolved

[@TimShoebridge]

Issie wizzie Midi issue fixed

[@djalexia]

Hi Tim, I just got the second PolyD as the first one I thought was faulty. After many times emailing the customer support sent video snippets of PolyD in action and I was told that it would have been a good idea to return device and get a new one. I got my new PolyD sent over and boom 💥 same problems... midi implementation with LogicX is a mess, doesn’t matter how many time I tried different setting in the behringer app and in LogicX, even following the customer support guides, the PolyD get stuck when i record the cc via modewheel and I’m forced to restart the PolyD. Recording arpeggios or sequences more headaches. Notes get stuck, I have to switch between LogicX clock ( usb clock) and PolyD internal clock to playback ... something that I never encountered before with my Moog Grandmother and subsequent 37. Not sure if I have bad luck or behringer might need to look into this... thanks again for your informative videos. A v

[@zanngoc]

why is there a porn website link in your youtube profile though? o.O

[@ChurchOfTheHolyMho]

Being able to have a click and disable the click may offer some musical options. Dunno. With Tim having both the Model D and the Poly D - and noting how inspirational the Poly D was for creating tunes, I am curious if he found the Model D as inspirational by itself. I wrestle with being a control freak and wanting total control via MIDI in my sequencer versus mousing around in a VST taking away immediacy and inspiration. If a Model D is also inspirational, it might be worth an addition to my cheap setup. Would be interesting if the Model D brought the inspiration, and then rely on a VST clone for recording. Hmm.

[@kettenlaiho]

Hello, Tim; I hope you are doing just fine! If you were to make a dark wave/synth wave/post punk/or anything related to dark synth - project, which synth would you recommend me to get? The Poly D or the deepmind 6? I’m stuck between these two... in the case of the D, it’s because of its capacity to create fat bass sounds but also the possibility to make sweet pads and leads... But in the other hand, there is the DM, which has a lot of control and some more fx (but only 2 waveforms) I hope you can help me :) thx in advance. Great videos!!

[@TimShoebridge]

Hi Ketten, Sorry for the very late reply. Those are two very different synths but I understand why they both appeal to you. I guess there are a couple of things to consider - do you need real polyphonic playing, do you have external effects, and how important is preset recall to you? The way the Poly D plays paraphonically is not for everybody especially people who are used to playing regular digital keyboards. Yes the DM is limited with waveforms, something I could never get really used to, but it makes up for it with amazing and comprehensive effects. I'd guess 90% of the fantastic presets that you'll find on the DM sound fantastic due to effects and not the synth voices themselves. The Poly D needs external delay and reverb to really make it shine. And then of course the DM has the ability to save and load presets, everything is totally manual on the Poly D. From what I'm writing it may sound like I am firmly in favour of the DM over the Poly D, I'm not but I think that the Poly D lacks the convenience factor of the DM, I think it makes for a really focussed and fantastic addition to a setup but might not always be the right choice as a one synth setup. So I think at the end of the day it may depend on what other gear you have to compliment it as well as how much you appreciate the old-school nature of the Poly D......

[@kettenlaiho]

Thank you so much, dear@@TimShoebridge, I really appreciate your answer. I think you are right, and I totally agree with you. Right now I’m just recording in the studio (not online jams or anything like that), which means I have all the time in the world to change a preset and start recording again... also, I’ve never been interested on playing piano, so I’m not used to polyphonic sounds at all. The only “polyphonic” instrument I’ve played in “piano format” is my Micfrofreak, and it’s paraphonic as well (similar capabilities as the Poly D). In addition to that, I always use vst’s for chorus reverbs, delays and that’s pretty much I use, so I think that the Poly D is a really good option for my second hardware synth. Maybe in the future I get the DM, I don’t know 🤷‍♂️ I wish you had a video on the DM as well, that’d be great, ‘cause your content is awesome! But anyway, I appreciate your time. Please keep up your content, I’ve learn a lot in this channel. Greetings from México 🇲🇽 🖐

[@paul_ward_music]

Hey Tim, can I ask a favour? I believe Behringer mostly fixed the MIDI re-receive problem, but I find that now only pitchbend is still blocked when transmitted and re-received through Cubase. Can you please confirm if you find the same?

[@martinneal5240]

Great video report Tim. Did they have anything to say about the strange envelope problem...and did the midi get fixed. Nice piece of Music as usual , good work.

[@seancraig5373]

Great video, even better song!

[@NatLifeSounds]

can it save presets somehow, through editor maybe?

[@TimShoebridge]

No, the Poly D does not have the necessary digital control for that.

[@NatLifeSounds]

@@TimShoebridge thnk you

[@Kiracki]

Thx for your helpful videos about this great synth! Hopefully also behringer watches this one and fixes especially the midi problem soon as it will definitely confuse all new users at first.

[@cymonalex]

Nice work Tim... Although the Poly D is not for me (purely because I have model D's) I am not in any way snubbing this synth, as I actually think it sounds really nice. I have a few friends that have them now and bizarrely, they all seem to have a few different "hang-ups" which I'm sure when fixed will make this a popular addition to many setups. My personal head scratcher is the chorus and why they are having so many issues with this? Like I say, I'm sure (like you'll find with your Moog one) as soon as the software gets developed in time, you grow to love it ! Unlike Moog, Behringers quality control needs to be addressed and the two other units I have played on had noticeable issues which were clearly defective parts or production issues. That aside, I am told Behringer are very good at offering replacements an taking user feedback on all their products. Great work and interesting summary.. Thanks S.

[@subconscious.com_usa6691]

Have they rolled off the bottom end for the poly d for polyphonic playing or are they untouched fully blown model d oscillators.

[@waltstephens1346]

Have you ever got yer hands on access music synths? If so thoughts!

[@TimShoebridge]

I used to own a Virus B. My favourite VA synth ever. Such an amazing sound. It stopped powering up about 2 years ago, the capacitors probably. I am constantly tempted to buy a replacement Virus but am a bit worried about another failure, seems to be a risk with any synth of that age...

[@waltstephens1346]

@@TimShoebridge I found an Indigo 2 back in 2008. I've had to replace the light for the led display almost every year. I no longer gig out with it but I really miss the tone of that little beast!

[@TheNimasan]

Hi tim. I’m a huge fan of your channel. Thx for all those great videos. Just have a question tho Today I wanted to update the firmware of the poly d. via synttool app. Somehow it doesn’t work. I always get the feedback “ update fails try again“ and then a window pops up which says “ poly d in DFU mode please update firmwre“ the power light blinks in green and red. Nothing is working. No sound no knobs. I have to take it off from the usb turn it off and on. Then it works again. Do you why all that?!

[@alexanderbluhm8841]

Thanks for sharing

[@jaca4641]

How would you compare the Poly D with the Moog Matriarch? I want an inspiring machine, that I will use for many years. Matriarch seems like great choice, but the price is a bit high. Behringer on the other band is really cheap, seems capable, and I enjoy my Behringer Model D very much. But I am afraid that it may lack build quality and that inspiring factor. Unfortunately I cant try both. What would you suggest?

[@TimShoebridge]

I guess the main question is, how likely are you to get into modular in the future and how likely are you to find use for a stereo analogue filter and delay as an effects unit? Those are the two main things the Matriarch gives you over and above the Poly D.

[@gretareinarsson7461]

I think I will end up buying one.

[@girlinagale]

It's a lovely format, very desirable. I've hankered for a Sub 37 for years but a Poly D is better with four note chords available.

[@anthonypatterson8796]

If you were looking for four note chords you would have never looked at a sub37. Doesn’t sound like you own either synth so I don’t agree with the “better” sentiment.

[@girlinagale]

@@anthonypatterson8796 Poly D is better with four note chords. Simple.

[@astrodruid441]

I get it, but to avoid confusion: Poly D is better, with four note chords available

[@girlinagale]

@@astrodruid441 Aight!

[@fortheloveofnoise]

I am still waiting for my yellow TD-3 from Sweetwater. We have to wait ages for the Behringer synths in the U.S.

[@stergiost.6246]

hi!did they fix the midi problem?

[@thomaskrasemann709]

Dear Tim, I really enjoy your videos, especially as you give an opinion, and not just descriptions of what synthesizers are able to do. You commented on 2 synths which I consider for my setup: Behringer Poly D and Moog Matriarch. I haven't got any Eurorack stuff, but some other synths (Korg Prologue, Yamaha reface CS, Studiologic Sledge black). What I am missing is the Moog-sound... If you had the choice, which one would you go for? Both paraphonic 4 voices, both 24db ladder filter, both with some extras like arpeggiator and sequencer. A difficult choice. Unfortunately I do not have enough space for all. Can you give me some ideas/your opinion? Thank you in advance, Thomas

[@HOLLASOUNDS]

Well ok there is a minor issue with clicking, its probably interference from the wires inside not being insulated enough.

[@paolomoretti9291]

I'm just guessing cause I don't know cubase, but are you sure that the midi issue isn't a matter of software? I had a similar problem with ardour: no sound from the external midi keyboard during playback, ok during recording. Then I realized that there were some tiny buttons on the mixer channel that let you choose between monitoring the external signal or what's on the track (that means nothing if the track's empty even if you play the keyboard). Maybe there are similar options on cubase that you didn't check?

[@WarrenPostma]

Paolo Moretti Hes a pretty experienced cubase user. Other synths sometimes do and sometimes dont self cancel when you create a midi feedback loop in software. you may be right that there may be a customization option to inhibit midi output during record.

[@shadowhenge7118]

Its funny, i have found that click in some software emulations of certain synths. Always to do with the filter envelope.

[@scoimalloi3405]

Having received my Poly D this week I can confirm I have the same 'click' issues as you have demonstrated. It's going back to Andertons. I have used many synths in the last 30 years from JP4 to Polymoog to Prodigy amongst others and I have never experienced a click which drives me nuts like this does. Shame, it looks and sounds great. Hopefully the issue will be addressed soon. However this is July and it is still there. Thanks for confirming I wasn't going crazy!

[@TonVermeij]

Hi Tim, I bought the Poly D recently and I found another issue. I tried to link the knobs as a midi learn for editing another softsynth which is my Ipad (Sunrizer). I was not able to link the knobs of the softsynth to the knobs of the Poly D. I could be related to the first issue in your video....It should work?! With my other synths or midikeyboards it is possible.

[@TimShoebridge]

Hi Ton, When you turn the knobs on the Poly D, do they generate any MIDI CC messages that you can detect? I have not tried this but my assumption is that they will not, because the synth is based on the Model D which does not have any MIDI automation at all. Synths need digital control if they are going to send/receive MIDI control messages, and if they are able to do that then they most likely will allow you to save presets which the Poly D and Model D do not. These two synths are based on old school Moog synths from a time before MIDI had been invented........

[@TonVermeij]

@@TimShoebridge You're right. Turning the knobs on the Poly D do not result into any Midi CC signal. I was hoping this can be set in the Synth Tool software or in any update of the firmware. If I look at the architecture designs in the manual I am not able to deduct if this is technically possible by the hardware....

[@crolodon8024]

Tim, I've really enjoyed your series on this synth. Would be VERY fun to see your thoughts on the Sonicware ELZ_1, have you had any experience with it yet?

[@TimShoebridge]

I do happen to own an ELZ-1 but I have not had time to really get into it. The idea was to use it when travelling but I haven't been anywhere since I bought it!

[@crolodon8024]

@@TimShoebridge Oh awesome! Mine is currently on order and should arrive in a few weeks, I bought it with the same idea of a nice travel companion. It's so deep, it would be really fun to see you put a track together with it or just jam out and noodle around on camera. Beautiful sounding synth.