Tirmax: A Pre-WW1 .32ACP Light Carbine

[@stinknut762]

The 2 worst sounds your gun can make: A click when it's supposed to go bang. A bang when it's supposed to go click.

[@alimanski7941]

That misfire was a good reminder as to the importance of keeping your gun pointing down range unless properly cleared.

[@thatguynameddan2136]

I believe i jumped as much as he did. That was a little pucker moment.

[@rob.3575]

@@thatguynameddan2136 It would have been even worse had the gun been chambered in something more meaty than .32ACP.

[@johnmorgan1629]

Did make me cringe when saw this comment before seeing the incident, as the rifle was pointing up in a lot of the other failures to fire etc. Then when the rifle did fire unexpectedly it was pointing upward again, probably a lot of empty ground, but still downrange and downward safe direction. Before someone says it, no doubt Ian knew it was safe, it just doesn't look it.

[@jerrell1169]

Rob .357 Still don’t underestimate ANY caliber, they’ll still hurt like hell once your body realizes you’ve been shot.

[@remko1238]

Amazed he didn’t say anything about it - such a gunn-safe guy as he is

[@skygrasper_47]

Ian: "Today we're taking a look at a pretty unusual Belgian/German .32 ACP caliber--" Me: *DOGGO*

[@tenofprime]

I know, I want to know the pups name now.

[@jamestarbet9608]

@@tenofprime until he said not in US I was wondering if Dharma got a new friend.

[@zacharyr666]

Didn't even see the dog, don't usually miss that sort of thing. I must be off today, or maybe I somehow knew to never take my eyes off that rifle... probably the former.

[@Huskycomicowner]

Same.

[@TheMCCraftingTable]

And once more at the end!

[@timriney7232]

Gun Jesus shoots gun without even pulling the trigger. I’m a believer

[@kabob0077]

Timothy Riney Praise Him!

[@garypack1709]

AMEN

[@bigiron9345]

You win the internet today lol

[@51WCDodge]

The Power Of The Mind!!

[@John.VanSwearingen]

That trigger is so good, it doesn't even need your help.

[@b.griffin317]

in america you shoot gun. in sweeden gun shoots itself!

[@MrKinir]

@rwsthedemonking You don't say?

[@Keunt]

pre-ww1 rifle with a burst fire mode, impressive!

[@totenkopfan6296]

Reminds me of my GBB P08. One day it fired 2 round bursts. Extremely weird

[@dominicksmeech2994]

That rate of fire though...yeash.

[@bwcmakro]

@@totenkopfan6296 KWC? I had a KWC GBB Luger where a magazine leak resulted in the thing randomly full-auto dumping the rest of the mag.

[@totenkopfan6296]

@@bwcmakro No, WE. But i guess the design is pretty similar, so it could be related. I know myslef and that i ocasionally overfill mags

[@notgray88]

Makro I once had the insane idea of making designs and blueprints for a full auto mag dump gun. 1 trigger pull fires the whole mag. An absolutely stupid concept

[@SangTheCryptek]

Damn the thing cycles so fast you can hardly see the bolt opening even in slowmo

[@handlesarekindadumb]

It's like the brass just phases through the gun

[@blahorgaslisk7763]

Yea, I think even Jerry Miculek might be hard pressed to outrun that bolt.

[@BackwardsPancake]

I'd be interested to see one of these modified to shoot full auto. I bet it'd be like a carbine equivalent of that Mexican "Giggle Factor" pistol.

[@speed_freak13]

That sounded like one shot it was so fast. The first hyper burst rifle.

[@emperorbless120]

"This is not, by the way, a legal issue; we are not in the United states at the moment." _Sad ATF Noises_ _Happy Puppy Noises_

[@51WCDodge]

Question Gents: Why would that be a problem in US? In Europe, you get your ass kicked and the gun sent to the Local Mark Novack.

[@509Gman]

51WCDodge there is precedent in the US for a malfunctioning gun getting it’s owner convicted of possession of an unregistered machine gun.

[@51WCDodge]

@@509Gman OK, that I would not have thought of. I will belive the Lawyers made a fortune out of it though.

[@jonasstrzyz2469]

@@509Gman What? Can you please provide more information, I know that open bolt guns are considered readily convertable to full auto and is treated the same. But what does is a malfunctioning gun have to do with that? Or is this something unrelated?

[@jdhill770]

@@jonasstrzyz2469 multiple people have had firearms that have been damaged or broken that have resulted in them firing more than one round with each trigger pull. And the ATF has gone as far as seizing these weapons and charging their owners with manufacturing un registered machineguns. There was one particular case 2010/2011 sometime where a mans ar15 double tapped. The range owner called police. He was arrested. The ATF field office had to modify the gun and load ammo with extremely sensitive primers, in order to replicate the malfunction (which came out in the court arguments). So there is precedent of the ATF trying to railroad owners of weapons that malfunction.

[@zendell37]

When the gun fails to fire every other round, I think a three round burst deserves a high five more than anything.

[@hovojefe]

You handled that misfire like you saw it coming haha I had to rewatch and you totally did not touch the trigger,

[@maxs.3238]

Guess it would've been a bit scarier if it wasn't such a light cartridge. But the 'yep that just happened, anyway' - face was kinda hilarious😅

[@jonmeray713]

Sorry,but even 22lr randomly firing is scary.

[@glennsosinske3260]

@@jonmeray713 yes sir. If you read manufacturer warnings on the box of .22lr ammo it clearly states that it is lethal up to 1.5 miles.

[@glennsosinske3260]

@@kalashniben9005 stand 1.5 miles away from, and let me use you as target practice with "the world's most powerful cartridge". Very clever post. It took you some time to get it right. Thumbs up!

[@glennsosinske3260]

@@kalashniben9005 you know what they say: it's not the size of the boat..nevermind...

[@Khanclansith]

Puppy in the background!

[@dbmail545]

I shouldn't have been surprised that it wasn't Dharma but I was.

[@birddog9708]

No gentle bunny eyed puppies were viciously terminated in the making of this film. Scouts honour

[@oorioles09]

“Oh, that’s a neat little carbi...PUPPY!”

[@envrnmntlsm]

Bird Dog thank god the ATF wasn’t there. They would’ve shot the dog

[@rocksandoil2241]

Gun Jesus gets photo bombed

[@SSgtCalebP]

Belgium-German business partnership? No clue why the company went defunct in WW1

[@Gliese380]

*Belgian, though

[@robertkubrick3738]

Small minded people will always find reasons.

[@SnoopReddogg]

Creative differences

[@51WCDodge]

@@SnoopReddogg Yeah could be described as that, We intend to create an Empire, and your going to part of it'. Umm! No!. Much the same happned in 1872 when Bismark said to Southern States of Germany, 'You are going to be part of Greater Germany'. When asked 'You and whose army?' he significantlty looked out the window..... The rest we all know :_)

[@miller306678]

Not very often you see a truly accidental discharge like that. Thanks for including it in the video. Also GIB DOGGO NAME

[@jasonmarsh910]

Thank you for including the misfire in the video, Ian. Good example of how the barrel should always be facing downrange and that you should always be aware of your surroundings. I appreciate the fact that Ian has weird things happen to him just like they happen to the rest of us.

[@FuzzyBrains555]

I'm glad these little pistol caliber carbines are making a comeback.

[@ManDuderGuy]

Damn right. Rifle cartridges are often overkill, and loud as hell too. A little 9mm rifle is a sweet shooter imho.

[@FuzzyBrains555]

@@ManDuderGuy It's good to see. They're fun, and they existed for a reason. I'm just glad to see people are embracing them again.

[@bentubepyro]

I really want a 25 acp carabine

[@wynfrithnichtwo8423]

@@bentubepyro I agree. I wonder what it would be like and if it would retain .22lr velocities, since it was made to exactly produce .22lr ballistics out of a 2” barrel by John Moses Browning.

[@mkshffr4936]

Yes, a 32 acp carbine is a huge void in the market.

[@JamesMelzer999]

Who knew PCCs would become crazy popular 100 years later.

[@jic1]

Not in .32 ACP, though.

[@dbmail545]

What a good looking piece. All it needs is a suppressor. Ian recovered from the unintended discharge well🤣

[@alistairsamson299]

Gun doggo, considers anything less then .45 not worth his time.

[@windhelmguard5295]

@rwsthedemonking i'd prefer to call it a teaching device. i mean it is basically perfect to educate young shooters, it's relatively big and heavy for a light cartridge, the recoil isn't going to be excessive and stuff like that misfire is something everybody should experience, because that'll make you never forget to handle your gun safely the light cartridge may also ensure that when that misfire happens no one should get seriously hurt.

[@LostElsen]

Nice full auto field conversion there, Ian

[@jcon5698]

I'm so glad the puppy at 0:13 was nowhere near when the accidental discharge happened

[@jamesjanson6129]

Rook rifles were more a UK thing, and in smaller cals than 32. Some right obscure rimfire cals were used that dont exist today.They were usually single shot break action rifles used in England for shooting young crows or Rooks from tall trees during May when the young rooks would be sitting on limbs outside their nests.The English used to eat them in "Rook pies" as the young rooks were pretty tender . Many bespoke gun companies like Holland&Holland and Greener made these little guns and they are an interesting subject of English guns in themselves.

[@literallyjudas2157]

Really Appreciate the dog occasionally running in the background

[@jaredthompson4270]

Great gun safety! Your professionalism during that misfire was perfect. Can't imagine if had been a shotgun or higher caliber. Thank goodness regardless. Love your videos. 👍

[@sinclair6555]

The gun couldn't handle being held by Gun-jesus himself it misfired out of joy and embarrassment

[@nickythenickname]

Gun equivalent of premature ejaculation?

[@jasonmarsh910]

@@nickythenickname Premature Detonation!

[@zacharyr666]

I think the embarrassment came after.

[@Wetcorps]

I-Ian sempai if you keep touching m-me like that I-Ill...

[@criticalcontainment]

@@Wetcorps best comment ever!

[@Gojiro7]

the minute I saw that cute pupper, Ian's words turned into Charlie Brown trumpet talk from then on XD

[@HouseholdDog]

Uh oh. Daddy is rattling off about about guns again. No ball now. I'm off. Ruff!

[@51WCDodge]

Unless you belong to my friend who trains gun dogs. His old Munsterlander used to sit and shake with excitment when the gun case came out.

[@brucerobert227]

Dog was showing off there at the end!

[@jackmcslay]

What's more impressive than seeing an old rifle is seeing the owner still has stacks of audio CDs on display

[@brucebaxter6923]

thats a nice quiet little gun. i had often wondered if a mechanical disadvantage on the hammer would be a useful delay mechanism

[@dbmail545]

All blowback guns use the force of cocking the hammer to retard the bolt. Rarely seen one so stiff tho.

[@SgtKOnyx]

It always is a delaying factor, though it's only really occasionally that it's used seriously as "delayed blowback".

[@Saya-fs1jo]

If ya look up some of the stuff on recoil and spring tuning for 1911/2011 style pistol in the competition world (brianenos.com/forums is a good starting place) they go over mainspring and recoil spring tuning to use the hammer as part of the recoil dampening. Its not exactly what your referencing but the same principles and at least an avenue that fairly easy to get an overview on the concept. Cheers

[@TheWesLesley]

Ian another great video and I love the carbine it's adorable and really pretty but surprise doggo at 8:30 was the best part of the video.

[@Nuovoswiss]

With a 3 round burst that fast and low-recoil, I'm half surprised the army never considered it for that "multi-shot" program they ran a few decades back...

[@martinwatters2729]

He could have edited that FIRING PIN fail out . Its good that he left it in this video makes you think after the shock how good it was he stayed calm and was doing all the right things in the event of this kind of an incident. His training and caution kicked in he was prepared for an incident.Also he mentioned that the owner would be looking into that problem before the sale of such firearm .

[@marinkhan3066]

7:50 I just shited me self but I put my brave face on 🤔🤪😜

[@remko1238]

marin khan + not mentioning it,, very un-Ianish

[@svtirefire]

*shat

[@DinnerForkTongue]

Pants have been shat.

[@MrKeserian]

Honestly his face was more "Well then." than anything else. Honestly, after the issues that thing was having just with failures to fire and feed, I personally wasn't surprised when it decided to turn itself into an accidental sub machine gun.

[@paulwolf2775]

Really nice, little gun. Reminds me of the Browning Auto 5. But, really scaled down.

[@MILITARY-TUBE]

I agree it's a nice gun.

[@coolsenjoyer]

Kinda looks like a scaled down version of pretty much any long gun designed by Browning.

[@danielwatters1203]

@@coolsenjoyer - Come to think of it, I wonder if it didn't inspire the Browning 30-18 prototype chambered for a variant of the Pedersen Device cartridge.

[@smackarel7]

Ian: A very rare early Semi-automatic carbine. Me: Oh who's a good doggy!

[@lightweight1974]

Those accidental discharges (I hesitate to use the term negligent in this case) are always scary. Been shooting for 45 years.Had a very similar situation last year, my first. Muzzle pointed down range, depressed slightly, clearing ftf. Took mag out, slide went home...bang. But it sure makes you respect the range safety rules.

[@XtorinsVideoshare]

i love this tiny little thing, lol, imagine if it were a delayed blowback and chambered in something beefier like 9mm or even .327 fed mag?

[@roteba1]

We want more of the Dog!

[@Kevin-mx1vi]

Yeah. Any dog that can be so nonchalant in the presence of Gun Jesus has to be cool. 😁

[@justineallandevelos6491]

That must be the patron saint for dogs there😂

[@Vok250]

Ian bringing back MySpace camera angles with this video.

[@ofwoden]

I've always liked the look of a sling swivel on the barrel ahead of the fore grip.

[@batmangovno]

You know somebody's a good orator when a weapon misfire only slightly interrupts their speech.

[@BenderDigital]

If Ian hadn't told us, I would've thought the safety was the mag release, and vice versa.

[@pappajudas9267]

At first I thought that the magazine cooked off somehow and with that in mind I was impressed Ian stayed so calm after having been injured by an out of battery discharge before.

[@51WCDodge]

Proper training , deal with problem, then you can Panic!

[@pauljones9746]

Thats pretty cool. Sounds really quiet.. ? Maybe its just the camera? I wonder why no one made a .25 acp carbine, being a better feeding cartridge than .22 LR

[@mrb692]

3 reasons off the top of my head: Because .25 isn’t that much more powerful, .22LR mags work well enough, and .25 is bloody expensive compared to .22

[@CheshireTomcat68]

8:31 Doggo with suppressor during filming. Clever move.

[@Activated_Complex]

It looks just like what they hand you at carnival shooting games. The size, the sights, the profile, everything.

[@firefighterforlife6673]

Nice fast mag dump at the end. lol keep making videos where you seem to be having fun

[@troy9477]

Looks like a neat little gun. When i saw the stock and the receiver profile, it was clear that someone was influenced by the A-5. Had these been more established, i could see them being used by trench raiding troops, with larger mags (they often used .32 ACP pistols; these should give a small ballistic gain). Had the company survived, i could see them moving up to 380 ACP and 9mm. They might have created an entire class of light, fun sporting rifle, if circumstances had been different (like if WW1 had not happened). The next PCC i can think of, not including S&W's abortive 9mm attempt for the Brits, is the Reising Model 60. Great video as always. Thank you

[@AsideOfbeans]

When ever I see a random dog walking around in the back I know it’s going to be a good video

[@knightwolf9571]

Certainly an interesting firearm, it shoots pretty quietly, shame on the cycling issues, I like this a lot.

[@pedrohenriquemenegollitama909]

7:53 very instructive... in the army we shoot with pressure rifles before real ones, mine had a malfunction... i started pressing the trigger to show to everyone it wasn't working, no one noticed how that was dumb too, good Lord i aimed that up before it shooting the little iron ball... never felt so bad in my life... no one said anything because they are dumb too... it is very important training with pressure rifles before real ones.

[@MrHws5mp]

The sound it made in the slo-mo sequences would be a great sound effect for some kind of sci-fi gun in a movie...

[@theblackberets3379]

Man that gun let off 3 Rounds so fast I at first thought it only fired one. Lmao

[@randymagnum143]

There has been an effort recently to condition new shooters to recognise all user induced accidental discharges as "negligent". This was not user induced. I imagine with the available energy, proper spring tension is paramount. These are 100+ years old, and may not have worked perfectly to begin with.

[@JH-lo9ut]

There where plenty of opportunity to conclude that this weapon is not working properly, and to stop using it, before it accidentally discharged. Of course, Ian is very experienced in using antique and unusual firearms, but I think this should be a lesson in safety for anyone wathching. Ian could have adressed it more seriously, but it is a natural reaction to brush it over when in front of a camera or audience.

[@randymagnum143]

@@JH-lo9ut really? He was getting some light strikes and failures to cycle, So he should stop shooting? I'll have to give up 22lr all together. Especially the 5 bricks of Remington I just bought. He had control of the muzzle, and was following the rules. Live and learn.

[@gunfisher4661]

Safety is always first, just to add I`ve seen a few too many people rack a round out that didn`t fire without using the 60 second rule and I have seen one go off in the 60 seconds before.That was one of the drills drilled into us when we were kids even got taught how to accidentally fall with a firearm.

[@rogerjohnson8707]

I loved the dog cameo.

[@ron827]

Congrats on the GREAT trigger control during misfires and I personally welcome them as a test of my trigger control.

[@ztbmarine]

10/10 for dog in first min of video

[@colbeausabre8842]

I can't help but compare this to the M1 Carbine of 30 years later. The 30 Cal Carbine cartridge is well known for approximating the 32 Cal in effectiveness and makes you wonder if a generation of German machine gun and mortar crews and engineers could have carried a modified version (full length stock and handguard - that exposed barrel is asking for trouble in a military arm - maybe with bayonet lug) during the Great War. And yes, an easy way to strip and clean it. Of course, everybody was thinking of rifles that could be employed in platoon volleys at a thousand meters, so I doubt they'd get their foot in the door...but perhaps a lost opportunity.

[@Tunkkis]

Ah, the US where a gun malfunctioning could be considered a legal issue.

[@envrnmntlsm]

That tells you that we’re not actually free. We have to pay to exercise our rights.

[@Lonech]

spazz ondabeat to exercise the right to have... unreliable firearm performance?

[@envrnmntlsm]

Lone Ech. No the right to own what the military has

[@envrnmntlsm]

Lone Ech. The fact you can be prosecuted for something out of your control is mind boggling

[@garypack1709]

I n California this is considered an assault rifle

[@bradmarthafocker4285]

Outstanding video Ian, as always informative and honest. We obviously can't see the left side of the receiver in the video, but my "Blink" thought was that you tested the hammer for push-off and it actually pushed-off. In any case, *proper* muzzle discipline saved the day, as always. Keep up the great work!

[@wittsullivan8130]

That was an interesting little pistol caliber carbine. It looked a heck of a lot like a Browning shotgun receiver and stock. Tony Rumore at Tromix made some AR-15 styled uppers and inserts that fired .32 ACP back in the day.

[@JerryEricsson]

Ah Sweden, the home of my Great Grandfather, and my Grandmother. Sure wish I could afford a trip over there, I understand we still have some relatives over there, Great Grandfather was said to have had a wife in Sweden and one in the USA, we have lost contact with the Swedish side of the family though. Neat rifle, it would be great around the farm for taking out predators in the hen house without bothering the neighbors with the report of the rifle.

[@fluggerisaffle973]

Jerry Ericsson you currently get very favourable rates when exchanging USD into Swedish money.

[@dinsdalemontypiranha4349]

Great video Ian. Thanks! The gun being pre-WWI and it's German/Belgian heritage made the story particularly interesting.

[@kaptunkordan6656]

What looks like a very fun little varmint rifle. I bet this thing would have been a joy to shoot considering how simple it is

[@chasemichonski7883]

That is the cutest lil magazine I've ever seen

[@BoneyBobsTreasure]

Often also helpful to remember that is is surprising how many people are shot with 'unloaded guns'.....mantinaing your safe direction is always a good idea for everyone concerned...

[@KaoVamp]

Even in .32 ACP this could have been a surprisingly handy trench gun for WW1. It's light, short and semi-auto which would have made it infinitely more practical than a Lebel in a trench raid, especially when you consider France was already issuing .32 ACP pistols to officers. Scale it up to 9mm and standardize on a Luger mag well and you would have a highly effective system, especially when paired with a Luger drum mag. I will put reliability aside since I don't know if the gun's performance in the range segment was par for the model, or just the particular gun being old.

[@brianwallace2667]

Simple blow-back, exposed magazine. All you would need to do is make the charge handle part of the bolt, make the stock and barrel detachable, and you basically have an AR-7 in .32 caliber.

[@dead-eye-dan6307]

0:14 that dog in the background made me laugh

[@Orzorn]

Looks like the recocker doesn't have a half cock notch perhaps, because it seems that it slipped and that's what set the round off, or perhaps the sear itself slipped. That's the kind of danger you see when working with old (really any, but particularly old) firearms with questionable states. I'm glad nobody was hurt and it was pointed down range. Always practice good safety!

[@axelpatrickb.pingol3228]

The sounds of firing in slo-mo makes it sound like mystical incantations of an occult language...

[@loupiscanis9449]

Thank you , Ian .

[@MoldyStir-Fry]

That was the fastest 3 round burst I think I've ever seen

[@jagrench62]

Perfect for small game as in the fact that the 32 ACP can be reloaded easily. If .22s are hard to find.

[@Punisher9419]

Nice little rifle to be honest. It's over 100 years old so it's expected that it wouldn't work flawlessly.

[@oso1165]

wow you handled that misfire like a champ

[@musikSkool]

I absolutely love these tiny rifles made from pistol calibers. If they had ironed out the kinks this could have been an early competitor for the American 30 carbine. (Thank goodness it was made solid enough so that misfire wasn't a lot more dangerous. We would hate to lose this guy.)

[@RichardAmmo1]

I am so glad you got to shoot that today! That does look pretty cool! I like the external hammer on it!

[@connorgormly3236]

Always excited to be learning more 👍🏻

[@endrlock]

This is actually pretty neat

[@TheRogueWolf]

It's not an unintended discharge, it's a surprise burst fire mode!

[@LionofCaliban]

I would have thought that was more a sign of an old, weak hammer spring than anything firing pin related. Here's hoping they can work it out and keep her going.

[@yangcheng-jyun8542]

@Lt. Colonel Tanya von Degurechaff That's unlikely caused by hammer spring, but by mechanical disadvantage

[@shawnr771]

If the hammer spring was weak. The weapon would fail to fire. The hammer spring appears to be quite strong based on Ians inability to cycle the bolt without cocking the hammer first. It is highly likely that there is some amount of dirt buildup or there are some parts that need to be repaired or replaced.

[@LionofCaliban]

@@yangcheng-jyun8542 Which is my thought on the matter. There was a few times where it seemed to light strike, so I'd sooner think spring than firing pin. Until it's taken apart, no way to tell.

[@chloehennessey6813]

That’s so cool. My second rifle I got was when I was 11. It was a Russian made over and under in .224/20 gauge.

[@Dr_Nick_]

That's some impressive cycling during the misfire.

[@51WCDodge]

Like a larger Gallery Gun. These type of small bore light cheap rifles were very popular for marksmanship training for Cadet and reserve forces in England and Europe. The calibre would be very practical for small game and vermin control.

[@billy56081]

I remember in my youth and American company that made an AR15 inspired clone in both 22 lr and 32 ACP.

[@iwishyouhappinnes1125]

I wish I could super like one like for FW and another for the doggo or dogga that made a small appearance.

[@sandy1653]

That'll be a fun little plinking rifle for the owner once they get it to run right. Heck, I'd love as for a little back yard range toy just for popping holes in paper or tin cans and whatnot.

[@dedowd9335]

This carbine would be a great pistol/ carbine combo.

[@Pre.C_King]

What a nice looking old Carbine! I would absolutely love to have one!

[@VRichardsn]

Damn! I think I just saw one like that at my grandfather's house many years ago! It was in a serious state of disrepair, though. I have to go take a look at it.

[@drummaghua2687]

That full auto rate of fire is impressive, I am wondering if that feature can make it a 'submachine gun' before MP18

[@jacob9229]

Puppies, Guns and Misfires! What a wholesome video.

[@prjndigo]

Best functioning removable spring magazine I have ever seen... fed .32acp at 800/minute just fine

[@petesheppard1709]

Cute, surprisingly quiet little rifle, except for the oopsie and other function issues...

[@mikajlod25]

And that's why you always point the gun in a safe direction

[@Nukle0n]

3-round burst mode as an unadvertised feature, nice

[@trevorpeters4358]

I have a 32 barrel insert for my 410singleshot an it's my favorite ammo to shoot out of it it's so quiet.

[@cracklingvoice]

I'd be down to buy a modern remake of that rifle. The only real change it needs is a more positive surface for charging.