Titan A (2402) - First Look Breakdown

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[@jamiebrown8408]

Seeing this ship makes me happy... and a little sad, we will never have an eaglemoss version

[@RaptorTwoFour]

The secondary hull to me, from when I first saw this, reminds me of the Kelvin timeline ship Vengeance

[@svenkampmann5723]

very nice Ship ..uuuuu

[@timrose9826]

Me too

[@Tinrs80]

good observation

[@1garysan]

Was thinking this as well!

[@markembling]

Also agree with this and came to say the exact same thing.

[@Heretic451]

I would enjoy this design if it wasn't such a clear mix of two completely different eras (for example, TNG-style windows instead of the originals might bring it forward into the modern time a bit). With older nacelles, this ship would fit right in to the 2280s.

[@adamlytle2615]

Yep. When they do retro styled cars, they design it from the ground up to *evoke* the original or the past era. Think the new (now 20+ year old) Beetle or the PT cruiser. They don't just slap modern parts on the same old design. They got this right with the Excelsior II that appreared in Picard Season 2. I think in the context of the story, they could have just straight up used a TMP era ship and have exposition explaining that it had been refurbished for some reason. Eccentric admiral wanted it as his flag ship. Specific diplomatic mission to a culture that really values heritage. Something.

[@Heretic451]

@@adamlytle2615 Exactly.

[@ImpracticalVFX]

I think that's exactly what this is. I think most people are assuming this is a brand new ship of the 25th century when it's more likely this IS a 2290s design that has been refitted with new engines and bridge module. This would also fit with them getting this ship from a shipyard/museum as shown in the trailer and not the main Earth Spacedock.

[@Heretic451]

@@ImpracticalVFX Right. And whether or not that's true, to me it doesn't look so great. Also, if it is, I'd love to hear the reasoning behind using old parts in a world where things can be reshaped at a whim, and the Federation doesn't seem to be lacking in materials, as they are building far more advanced ships without directly recycled parts. I could see if the Federation was falling apart and they were scrambling for resources...

[@XTINFILM]

@@ImpracticalVFX @1:33 Captain Foley says it's a new build, not an old ship.

[@Mike19737]

I can’t get behind this. It looks like a damn Frankenstein ship. The OG Titan would have been 22 or 23 years old at this point. Maybe Riker’s Titan was lost/destroyed? This looks like a Connie and Excelsior had a drunk one night stand as this the offspring of said union. Lol Hopefully the design will grow on me.

[@Thermool]

Both beautiful and odd. Like a curvaceous and voluptuous woman whose also nerdy asf.

[@lucasbachmann]

This reminds me of a starship I made out of Legos on the 1980s with the angled pieces making a deflector area.

[@thiagoolive28]

Mixed feelings about this one. I like the design and the texture, the TOS movie era feels good but out of era at the same time.

[@_WillCAD_]

I have really mixed feeling about this one. On the one hand, it's the Shangri-La class, which is proof that even an entrenched old guy like me can change his stripes once in while - I have always hated designs with giant bites taken out of the saucer, yet I love the Shangri-La. On the other hand, I feel that the Stargazer-style nacelles are too bulky for this ship. They look especially large against the pylons. Speaking of which, the pylons look kind of narrow at the end where they meet the hull, but I can't tell if they were shrunk, or they just look weak compared to the bulk of the new nacelles. Aside from the Stargazer-esque nacelles, the details on the ship all scream Enterprise-B Era to me. It's still got ball turrets and impulse deflection crystals and TMP style windows all over, but it's got extra indents and depressions that sort of put me in mind of the Constellation and Excelsior classes. All in all, a great ship design, but I would rather have seen the Luna class Titan. I guess they're going to say she was destroyed and this is a replacement, which is sad because now it's unlikely that we'll ever see the Luna class Titan in live action.

[@illegalclown]

One of the things that is bothering me about Picard and the first two seasons of Discovery is they seem to get their ships mixed. The Discovery ships feel like post-Voyager era ships and the newer Picard ships look like they belong in the 23rd century. This ship would look great on SNW.

[@fangslore9988]

the USS descovery was new while the constitution class was already 40 years old by star trek discovery. so i think it fits giving that the constitution class was already aging

[@tuskin3811]

None of the Discovery ships looked Post-Voyager, all the design elements were wrong. No phaser arrays, no visible escape pods, they had TOS movie era phaser emitters.

[@homononsapiens2265]

@@tuskin3811 I think they look post voyager ,or at least not TOS , not because of details like phaser emitters but rather the overall design language . Where the designs from 1960 to 1990 are more upright with focus on the modularity later designs became more streamlined shapes in the 90's and growing focus on micro and macro hull details/hull panel- appendices lately. TOS era ships designed today are designed with today's standards in regard not the ones in canon nor the ones of the 1960's. Therefore there are design discrepancies colliding with different tastes and expectations.

[@tuskin3811]

@@homononsapiens2265 I disagree. the TNG era+ ships have have curves, elegant and refined shapes, while the DSC ships look utilitarian and clunky, unrefined, plus they have TOS style bussard collectors. I think they fit fine as a contemporary or successor design to the Constitution. Nothing about them look remotely TNG era or after, To me they look like the missing link between the Connie and the TOS movie era. Remember, the Enterprise is 10 years old when Discovery starts (and 20 when TOS starts), which means the first Constitution Class would be even older than that. Also, the ships not having round nacelles and being flat was a mandate from Bryan Fuller, who left the show before Season 1 even aired, which is why the Enterprise didn't up looking like that.

[@homononsapiens2265]

@@tuskin3811 I agree with you partially. I interpret the designs of post TNG , DSC and Pic as the evolution of John Eaves Design language . Where as TNG /ds9/voy are more Andrew Probert( fist season TNG and the motion picture) style and Rick Sternbach style based, and others , and yes that's more curvey, later Star Trek designs are growingly influeced by John Eaves. And TOS is Matt Jefferies style based, of course. There are Matt Jefferies concepts for a streamlined aerodynamic TOS shuttle but that was to expansive to manufacture at that time, by the way. It's a question how much the current designer and producers are willing to follow older design languages . For example , USS voyager by Rick Sternbach and Enterprise E by John Eaves are similar design concepts for different shiptypes. Both are streamlined but still there are certain design elements, except the size, that are very different like the curves and use of color and paneling. Rick Sternbachs yoyager is a nice evolution of Andrew Proberts design ( Galaxy Class) for a smaller faster ship. The Enterpris E has some Probert /Sternbach-escque features but is rather more different than the voyager. But enterprise E is a special case . In my opinion it's a constitution evolution, but that's true for many Starfleet designs. And because John Eaves is the most influential designer for Star Trek in late / post TNG and DSC all this ships are evolutions of his designs. The era correct Bussard collectors are in my opinion necessary but not sufficient to achieve an era look. Interestingly the USS discovery is a concept by Ralph Macquarie as a new enterprise in 1970. He worked for Star Wars as well. Don't know if the triangular shape derives from that.... :D

[@jonathanward7320]

Going from the sovereign which was very sleek and had the saucer and secondary hull blended together, now it seems their going backwards introducing a refit type neck which makes it look less futuristic. It just seems like a step back rather than natural progression

[@fangslore9988]

well it depends. enterprise E was built by the San Francisco Fleet Yards company while the new ship may very well be built by either europa Planitia ship yards or the saturn ship yards or even the luna ship yards which means different engineers and different designers such as Yoyodyne Propulsion Systems. which is featured in most ship dedication plaques on the bridges if you look carefully enough, the new ship may just have a new manufacturer group who designed and built it

[@DavidKnowles0]

It just shouts the art crew haven't got a clue what they are doing. An there no consistent ship design guide for each era.

[@fangslore9988]

@@DavidKnowles0 canonically its because the ships aren't designed by the same designers. the engineers that built the sovereign class didnt deign the neo-constitution class nor they design other classes outside the sovereign team. its why the deigns are always drastically different between the classes

[@SechristCircus]

I agree it doesn't look quite as modern as other ships in NuTrek, but I have been starving for ships that feel more practical than flashy, so I will gladly embrace this asthetic.

[@ascelot]

Practical? Take a look at the front slanted and then the straight forward shots, to me, the bottom saucer sensor dome is straight in the path of the front torpedo launchers from the neck.

[@tuskin3811]

Bill just posted on twitter than she's 560 metets long. Also Terry tweeted a top view of the Titan's saucer via LCARS screen on January 7th, you can see both phaser strips and the TMP style phasers. We thought it was the Stargazer, but it makes more sense to be the Titan based on the saucer details of the Titan here.

[@IsilmeTuruphant]

> Bill just posted on twitter than she's 560 metets long. Really? That's kinda problematic. The original movie refit Constitution II class was 305 meters long. This ship is nearly twice the size. The proportions aren't the same, naturally, but close enough you can basically just double the size of the saucer section. Hence the problem, as the windows on the saucer section, at least on the front, are IDENTICAL to the Movie Enterprise in placement, positioning and size compared to the saucer they're set in. Meaning those windows are twice as big, and those decks are either twice as high, or the windows cross multiple decks. And the bridge dome is now MASSIVE. It's the same issue with the Xyston-class Star Destroyer. You can't just take a model and scale it up like that without adjusting the small details.

[@tuskin3811]

@@IsilmeTuruphant the bridge module on the Titan-A is the exact same one that was on the Season 2 Stargazer, a ship which was 540 meters long. The Enterprise Refit was too small for its interiors, if you tried to fit those sets (especially the rec hall from TMP) into the 305 meter long ship, they wouldn't fit. If you scale the exterior to fit the interiors sets, it comes to 400+ meters, (same with the TOS enterprise)

[@jamesnelson5741]

I did not like this ship at first. But now it has grown on me.

[@CanadianStarships]

In response to a question asking if it really had 6 impulse engines, Bill replied: "It has a dual impulse drive. Some of the texture artists got carried away with red lights."

[@chrisbruce5711]

Ah so some of them where orks cise red = speed

[@BazT47]

The secondary hull sort of reminds me of the Vengance from Into Darkness

[@Wrangler-fp4ei]

That Reflector Dish is actually TMP era Constitution, with big shell over it.

[@theartsig]

The front of the secondary hull is a dust buster.

[@zoberraz]

I'm bitterly disappointed. I don't get why they did this and thought it was a good idea. On the reception of the U.S.S. Titan appearing in Lower Decks and as a background ship is PIC S2, one would have thought fan reaction was such that it would have hinted "wow, fans like the Titan and the Luna-class". An aged Luna-class U.S.S. Titan would have easily worked and garnered a lot of positive feedback. anyone with a liking for Sean Tourangeau's model would've been happy, as well as Sean himself. A new Titan-A based off the already existing STO model of the Titan-class (which was previously viewed on Trekyards) would've worked amply well enough too. It was there, for the taking, and remastering it for screen would been an equal undertaking to turning the Shangri-La into a post-TNG ship. That would have likely appealed to STO's own audience and celebrated as 'another part of our game is canon! Yay!' Instead, we get a ship that has very little of the visual lineage down. Not to mention that - outside of the Sagan-class warp nacelles - it looks like it dates back to the previous century. I'm really happy for Bill Krause having a hero ship in live action, but also ambivalent because his success is somewhat at the detriment of the original Luna-class and its creator Sean, along with all the fans that ship garnered throughout the years. Bill's model is tenuously a 25th-century ship design, but I could let that slide. But if they'd wanted to use it, I don't think they should ever have touched the Titan name. A foot-in-the-mouth faux pas in the face of what could have been easy wins with the fans.

[@slighter]

I have a feeling we will also see Rikers old Titan as well. Maybe that one gets destroyed at some point.

[@empressadria7009]

Keep in mind Picard takes place 20 years after Lower Decks. Sure, if nothing happened to Riker's Titan she'd still be in service but here we have another ship called Titan so obviously something happened, even if we have to retcon it (I hope they just tell us!).

[@teresaravenshaw5477]

Maybe pulse phaser technology as used on the Defiant has now evolved so much, all that can be popped right into a ball turret.

[@ShaneAcree]

Beautiful ship design and glad to see a more motion picture aesthetic.

[@traviswatts9082]

Looks like an Ambassador class era ship. Post TMP and Pre TNG.

[@empressadria7009]

This Titan seems like it is very old in-universe. Like at least 80 years old and refitted to Picard-era standards. And I noticed the bridge sounds sounded just like either Discovery or Kelvinverse Enterprise, which is another thing that lends the aura of age to this.

[@swnews4u161]

So it is clear to me that the Titan A is sort of like what the Enterprise A was in the movies - an existing ship repurposed to replace the one that was lost. Instead of the recently retired Yorktown taking the place of the Enterprise, I assume that the Titan A is either a ship that has been retired longer than that, or is a hull that Riker used some pull to get out of storage, and fitted for a new mission. My real detailed guess is this - after the Pegasus Incident, Riker was temporarily taken out of a lead duty role while the incident was being investigated. In the meantime, he was assigned to the USS Shangri-La (which is the real model inspiring the Titan A). The Shangri-La was an emergency support vessel...assigned to the Utopia Planitia Shipyards primarily to fight plasma fires that may break out during starship assembly. The reason the phaser turrets are red is they actually shoot a phaser that is created to diffuse a plasma fire (which can burn in the absence of space). The Shangri-La would also be sent out for fleet duty when there was a multiship deployment. Riker served on the ship for six months while the review took place, and he actually contemplated remaining closer to home in that capacity, but he later decided "I wanted to be Kirk, not a firefighter." The Shangri-La was part of a class of ships that were initially designed to replace the Constitution Class as the 'next generation' of explorers, and this is why you can not only see that there are the early design cues of the Excelsior in the secondary hull, but why it also adopts the suacer of the Constitution and Miranda classes (as well as Soyuz and Sorbone or whatever the Conny look-alike from Strange New Worlds was) as that saucer spaceframe was in production and easily adapted. However, as the NX version of the class was being put through its paces, it was shelved as the transwarp project, and 'The Great Experiment" rewrote the playbook for the next generation of Starfleet vessels. Like many of the ships of the line that were pre-Excelsior, the Shangri-La became a support vessel, in this case a rescue and firefighting vessel. It last served as supporting the fleeet in the Dominion War, and when that came to an end, it was planned to be scrapped because Starfleet had the California Class being ushered in as a platform that could be configured for multiple roles. Its hull was not broken up, as Starfleet wanted to have ships that could be reconfigured as glorified missiles if there was another Dominion like attack, or if they wanted to send large vessels to ram the Borg. Riker, returning to Starfleet at the end of Picard Season 1, wanted to find a true ship for himself, and as an admiral, he got to choose any second tier ship to outfit to his own tastes. With the Titan lost in mystery, and no Luna or Galaxy Class vessels available, and all the original Excelsior Class ships finally retired, Riker found the Shangri-La in the reserve registry. He went to work getting the fleetyards refitting the ship, replacing the bridge module with ones of similar size from the new Stargazer, new nacelles to improve warp speed and efficiency, as well as other changes. That is why it has phaser banks and turrets....

[@andrewbutton2039]

Looks good, gives me some ambassador class vibes though it looks very grey and unadorned, but it looks like its a contemporary of the Excelsior, not the sovereign.

[@logtothebase2]

I really like it, it looks like it would work, many later era ships look like a supercar design sketch, when in reality by the time the sketch turns into a working car, with room for a driver and passenger with view of the road and suspension, it gains volumes that can fit stuff in, door mirrors that actually work, subtle bumps scoops and bulges that can contain stuff needed to do stuffin the right place like cool the engine,. Rather than a smooth variably radiused curves and streamlining that make no sense in a vacuum (for spaceship not a car obvs)

[@k--music]

This makes me want a live action titan show all the more. They could keep jonathan frakes and marina sirtis, have jack quaid do a serious take on the alternate boimler, and tell the story of how the first titan was lost or its last missions

[@leonharris3484]

I like this ship, it looks similar to the ones on star trek online.

[@RichieAppel]

The Luna class Titan is just so awesome. They should have just used that one.

[@bruceh8043]

I agree with you.

[@adamlytle2615]

At the very least, they shouldn't have used the name Titan for this ship. I now there's a fair amount of time between the Titan's appearance on Lower Decks and this... but considering some ships stay in service for like a hundred years, this seems to be putting cap on the Luna class Titan's lifespan. For like, no real reason.

[@empressadria7009]

@@adamlytle2615 S1 Picard we're told Riker left Starfleet to take care of his son, but we're not told if the ship he left was the Titan. Riker came back to Starfleet to command the Zheng He, one of those cookie cutter ships at the end of S1.

[@Valeron5]

Sean designed an upwards nacelle Luna class variant which he named the Lunar class cruiser. I would have preferred the Titan A be that class.

[@jamesmagill5433]

Overall a nice design. Least favorite area is there’s too much impulse engines… seems like it was added on as after thought

[@XTINFILM]

They left so much on the table to get this TMP callback. An Intrepid refit would have provided the same hit of nostalgia while being entirely appropriate to the era. If Raffy is the Captain, she should have been axed so Seven could be Captain. The ship should be the Raven, not the Titan-A. I haven't seen one positive comment for "Titan-A." The Berman era established a clear aesthetic for technological progression. Old designs were refit up to a point, then retired. That made sense. This is like building a modern, stealthy destroyer in the shape of a Spanish galleon. The idea is ridiculous on the surface.

[@empressadria7009]

They may have harvested fan fic forums for this idea because this screams mothball fleet to me. Like this Titan has been sitting in a scrapyard for decades but pulled out, refitted to the prevailing tech level, assigned a new name and off she goes. Mind you, this didn't go terribly well in the fan fic series I'm referring to so I'm definitely interested to see if I'm right.

[@jackvearncombe9892]

but aerodynamics and hydrodynamics dont matter in space, the ship can be whatever shape you want

[@XTINFILM]

@@jackvearncombe9892 IIRC the TNG technical manual says that warp space has hydrodynamic properties. It's how they explain away the sort-of aerodynamic shape of Trek ship hulls.

[@stararnold]

The ship looks like it came from an era that is Post-Enterprise-B and-Enterprise-C.

[@johannpopper1493]

Kinda pretty. I like it. I'm glad the refit saucer is back as Starfleet standard for primary hulls. Always thought if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

[@robmoss3501]

Omg, I’ve been racking my brains as to where I’ve seen this ship before. Thanks for cleaning it up for me.

[@1garysan]

Love the Shangri la, love the new Stargazer, love the TMP era design...however the fact that this is the Titan A depresses me. This is such a mish mash of eras. It just doesn't make sense in the 2400s. We've got discovery ships that look more advanced than this. This would be absolutely fiine around 110-120 years previous. Urrghh! It would have been better if they'd had this as a relic Titan from before Riker's ship and repurpose and upgrade it for the mission at hand.

[@DavidKnowles0]

The story I would have is Georgi is retired but he a volunteer restoring this ship to be a flyable condition. So Georgi and crew borrow it for whatever mission Picard is on. Presumably rescuing Crusher.

[@JD-vh1qd]

I was watching Hunt for Red October the other day and the Metal of the the submarine and shapes reminded me of this ship. Especially the secondary hull.

[@verpine]

Loved the original reviewd you guys did on the Shangri-la class. This revamped ship looks pretty nice, really hope this season of Picard makes good use of it.

[@Paulies-Hideout]

After hearing Riker say "Hello Beautiful," I was really hoping to see the Odyssey Class. Such an epic ship. The Titan looks alright. Like a cross between Excelsior and Constitution. Going into this season with the absolute lowest of expectations. The only good thing about Picard is John De Lancie's Performance but even that didn't make me happy because of how bad the writing on this show is. It totally ignores the lore. Not small bits, but parts so large I have to wonder if this is an alternate universe all-together.

[@markrtoffeeman]

100%

[@miketwain202]

There’s something incredibly wrong with this and something really right about it too. The scale model is really appealing. The final product, I need time to adjust to it. I think if it were TMP era I’d be in love.

[@Tzphardi]

My favorite of the tng era ships hands down. Shockingly nolstolgic yet modern.

[@stardusty]

I like it. It’s refreshing after all the pointy, paper-thin Discovery ships.

[@The1ReviewBoard]

I’d love to see this in STO, with the option to have as the TMP style Shangri-La that Bill Krause designed.

[@ch1mera302]

Knowing cryptic they will put this in a lockbox or promo R&D box event.

[@SlabBulkhead166]

This just doesn't work at all, it would have been one thing if they had kept the Shangri-La design but modernized it but this just stinks of laziness. This had better be a placeholder model. Reusing the Titan name also seems weird when it's not The Titan, it just makes it confusing when we've seen the Luna class version in LD not long ago.

[@Biodune]

The secondary hull looks like the head of a Vorlon encounter suit.

[@jones20533]

So you’re telling me that the Luna class titan was either destroyed or at worst decommissioned after 20 years?

[@FTFXclan]

Lore wise i hope it's a refit of a TMP era ship that was renamed after the Original Titan was destroyed/decommissioned.

[@EnterpriseKnight]

I have no idea but they have a weird fetish for TOS despite the fact that they retconned everything. Anyway, I'm really glad Bill managed to get his creation in, as a protagonist ship even! massive congrats.

[@derekcrandall2572]

I'm liking the new ships. It looks like a futuristic version of the TMP - TUC designs.

[@teresaravenshaw5477]

Would anyone else like to see Mariner, Boimler or one of the other Lower Decks main characters turn up in a Picard-era show?

[@empressadria7009]

Captain Boimler would be well within the realm of possibility, commanding a live-action Cerritos would be hilarious.

[@Exaris79]

Saucer section looks like it's a surplus Miranda class saucer section. Starfleet had mass produced the class so much that it's bound to had been docked together with a modern secondary hull. There's probably hundreds of leftover Miranda class superstructure that it's cheaper to just refit them with 2400s technology instead of taking them apart as spare parts. The Mirandas had been the workhorse of Starfleet for over a hundred years so it's bound that there's thousands that had been mass produced. After the Dominion War, they're not being used on the frontlines anymore so a lot more hulls that's been given away to member worlds as their local starfleet ships that does the role of patrol/logistical support ships.

[@philipsnyder1687]

I wonder if the TMP style phasers are actually a new "Heavy Phaser"

[@fangslore9988]

you maybe right, if you remember in the aborted timeline thanks to Q's time meddling the enterprise D in the timeline it wasnt destroyed over veridian iii got a 3rd nacelle and a lancer phaser canon that was able to cut ships apart so it wouldn't suprise me that some older tech designs could have a utility in the future.

[@willroberts3991]

Like the Cmdr. said this very much looks like Enterprise C era ship

[@BritneyLaZonga]

Very Ambassador-esque

[@martinjrgensen8234]

Bill makes amazing ships But this ship look like some of the modern retro cars that you can buy. Doesn’t really fit all that much into modern Starfleet design to me.

[@empressadria7009]

I'm certain she's not a modern ship. She's got all the updates but I hope there are lines of dialogue from Seven complaining about the century-old barge she's been given because Starfleet still doesn't trust her. Or some such.

[@barrybend7189]

Looks good. But why is it named after the Titan and why is the class called the Neo Constitution class. Why not name it after another of the constitution class. I hope the Shangri-la is an STO variant it would be nice in the game.

[@sirrickardjameses]

Titan A is the name of a chemical I use at work to make rubber sheets that will be molded in rubber stoppers for syringes.

[@jonnyolson1221]

It’s always good to have a Canadian ship!!

[@apophis40123]

I also don't like the bulkiness of the impulse section. From the front, the secondary hull looks like it could be a ship on it's own if the saucer separated

[@timrose9826]

I really like this ship It has an Enterprise look to it

[@kevintran5901]

Apparently it’s 25th century Constitution-Class

[@danceswithcomicbooks7733]

Yeah it looks clunky and old fashioned. Too much.

[@alternative915]

With that many impulse engine, you don't even need a warp drive.

[@carlousmagus5387]

She's a beautiful ship. Not a battleship or battlecruiser, but a cruiser or heavy command cruiser if you upgrade the weapons and internal systems.

[@count23all]

You guys didn't mention that the model was so lazily kitbashed they left TMP phaser banks on teh saucer instead of TNG arrays... and that there's no forward torpedo launchers anymore. The on screen model doesn't reflect Krause's physical model.

[@ravendagrey]

to me it looks like a "lost era" ship somewhere between the refit, original stargazer, excelsior, and ambassador classes, like it looks like a natural progression.

[@beejcarson]

Yeah. I like it but it’s a little weird for Picard. But between STVI and TNG makes more sense.

[@deadlymouse7033]

It looks like they stuck a saucer section and a couple warp nacelles on a electric raiser.

[@EyesOfTheInternet]

Not a fan of the secondary hull shape but overall looks great.

[@cruman87]

When a kit-bash background ship of Wolf 359 graveyard becomes a "hero" ship of a series is how I would describe this ship.

[@Optimistprime.]

I don't mind this ship. It's better than what could have gotten. But I'm confused as to why a new ship? They could have just used the new Stargazer or the original Titan, maybe refitted. I still miss the enterprise in these new shows, and yes, I hear we might get to see one.

[@jamesaron1967]

Completely agreed. I wish they did a refitted Titan instead. Picard asks Riker if this ship was his old command. Doesn't make sense if the Titan A is a totally new class and vessel, which it is.

[@alpha69a]

I feel like this ship was designed for Strange New Worlds but wasn't used, and rather than scrapping the model, they tweaked the nacelle glow colors and called it the Titan-A. I get that they are trying to lean into the nostalgia of an Enterprise, but considering this is the last hurrah of Picard and crew, it would've been more appropriate to lean into a retro-modern galaxy/sovereign design. Somthing that definitely screams TNG not TMP.

[@bcluett1697]

It looks like a battlecruiser with all the chunk. Very sturdy looking, maybe even for use in high gravity situations or dense nebula clouds. I would like the inner impulse to be connected top and bottom for a total of 4 impulse. I think 6 seems like overkill but then again that might be useful for redundancy and pulling away from gravity wells and tractor beams. I like ships you can imagine great things happening through functional looks.

[@Valkyrie77]

So, the TNG crew in the last series together, gets a constitusion-class look-a-like as a ship? The type they are know for... Oh wait! No they are NOT! Why not a Galaxy-look-a-like or something? Or maybe... enterprise-e? Or a another Sovereign-class?

[@danceswithcomicbooks7733]

The saucer looks so old and ckunky. The D looked way more advanced. I don't lie this ship at all

[@jasonbarkman]

Why would they suddenly revert to the old outdated saucer design?

[@terrywest111]

I believe this ship looks like either a training ship or an escort cruiser. I like it... though... I'm a little dubious about calling it a Constitution III. I'm with Cap. I love the three torpedo tubes on the front of the saucer in the original design. I think they should keep that feature. Gives her a more imposing look. I also prefer the TMP pearl white hull. But, I guess they had to give her the modern Starfleet gray look.

[@canisblack]

It looks like the Exceslior and the Constitution classes had a baby.

[@cdlord80]

Would it have been too much to pull the Enty-A out of the museum, refit it, and put it back into service? This series, after the loss of Utopia Planitia, seems to be hard up for ships but then again you have the copy/paste fleet from season 1 and the fleet from season 2.

[@jamesmagill5433]

Think I would’ve like the original Shanghai La secondary hull with the Titan A saucer. Either struts would do. Nacelles is acceptable but didn’t get the wow factor from it.

[@brandond9181]

I'm honestly very burned out on TOS showing up everywhere. This is supposed to be the TNG era love letter to end it out....and instead of a Galaxy or Sovereign based design, it's basically a Constitution class with extra steps. In the last 10 years, I've gotten very burned out on the Constitution class at this point. Let TNG's swan song have a TNG aesthetic. Really dislike this ship as a 25th century ship.

[@samtaylor9932]

Agree.

[@vincentwong5173]

Agreed! We have Connie re-imaginings in Kelvin, Discovery (23rd AND 32nd century), SNW, and now again in Picard (not to mention already the TOS in several versions, Phase II, and irreplaceable perfection of the Refit). I’m behind the new Excelsior II, but how many times do we have to redo the Connie?

[@adamlytle2615]

Yuuuup. Don't dislike the ship in and of itself, but you are 100% spot on. I have been saying since they announced Picard season 1 that we need to have Geordi in command of the Galaxy class USS Challenger like he was in the Voyager episode Timeless. Give it a nice refit with some updated textures and details, but make it unmistakably a Galaxy class. Have scene with Picard & Geordi in a travel pod approaching the ship like Kirk & Scotty arriving at the Enterprise in TMP. I would have goddamn tears in my eyes.

[@empressadria7009]

I don't think this is a 25th century ship. Its in the 25th century but remember, the first Excelsior served well into the 2360s, 80+ years. I hope we're given some backstory on this Titan if she is that old.

[@richardkohlhof]

If you look at the underside of the saucer section at the 4 most part there are also 4 lights for some reason

[@TorquilMcLeod]

The registry doesn't get added until Tuesday.

[@Derek-mg2le]

Not personally a fan of any part of this design, but still new trek and new ships is always fun.

[@marleymcleay9228]

Well can certainly understand the criticism about the confusion of Era, however, I still see the same refit era aesthetic applied to space dock, with modernized expansion, clearly. Y'know this to me makes this ship feel at home.

[@richardjohnson9543]

I keep wondering if this ship or at least parts of her are indeed from the TOS movie era. We saw how Starfleet raided the scrapyards and kitbashed stuff from different ships during the Dominion War so perhaps this is something similar

[@fangslore9988]

they wouldnt do that, because of the fact the older ships from TOS and TMP refit used a different metal to the newer ships speifically Duranium while the USS excelsior NX/NCC2000 and all the ships that followed it used a tritanium which is why the older ships were decommissioned. however, it is of note that Excelsior class and the Ambassador class continued to use phaser ball turrets and that by TNG it appeared to be a very new tech which may have been a unique feature of both the Galaxy and California class ships to start with, which means that the tech was very new by the start of TNG since we saw Captain Picard take command of the newly minted Enterprise D in the first season.

[@PNolandS]

Looks like a mix between a refit and phase II Constitution and an Excelsior, really like this design and I’m glad to see a more classic style design

[@nortzman01]

I really like this except for 1 thing, and it is a dislike I have in any build that does it....the curvature of the nacelle struts. Sweeping forward or back is all good but from a simplicity and ease of repair standpoint, every deviation that your warp plasma conduit makes, increases the chance of damage when hit and difficulty of repair. Beyond that, she's pretty and I can't wait to see her at work.

[@Atharun18999]

It's like a kit bash of different era design elements. It's not bad but it's not good either. I think the saucer is what's killing it for me.

[@Stansman63]

I look forward to seeing the Eaglemoss model...oh...

[@britneymaysplendia8901]

4:07 I would think that it could possibly be for a phaser blast sort of thing, an exacting equivalent to the VADA console ability in STO.

[@agquad]

I don't get everyone's appreciation for this ship, honestly. Everything modern is trying to reinvent the Enterprise without actually respecting the Enterprise. Like, this is so obviously a desperate move. There is no Titan lineage here.

[@alternative915]

Also Seven is starfleet now? , wth? what happened to her "she can't join because she's a ex-borg" argument? it's so infuriating that NOW they have to change this in the last season?

[@tuskin3811]

@@alternative915 Picard was there to back her up.

[@tuskin3811]

and the 24th Century USS Lexington has no lineage with the 23rd Century Lexington. Ships don't have to resemble each other.

[@alternative915]

​@@tuskin3811 So Seven went into the Starfleet Academy ,become a commander and with her own ship within a year? edit: unless it's something like vulcan where they transferred to starfleet it also goes with their ranks/suitable position? i donno.

[@tuskin3811]

@@alternative915 it hasn't been said how much time has passed between the seasons. But I imagine her knowledge and experience on Voyager helped a bit.

[@thestanleys3657]

The view of the rear looks similar to the Nova-class

[@casey9439]

I love it. the only gripe I have is that the Bussard collector ramscoops are blocked by the saucer.

[@StiggysGuitarLoft]

From the back it looks like when people bit aftermarket brake lights on older cars lol

[@bosyber]

Those two models from his twitter next to each other and w/o athmospheric lighting really makes me prefer the updated saucer top a lot (esp. for the era in which it appears), nice update.

[@elviakerlick1163]

This is the fan-designed USS Shangri-La, intended for the 22nd century. The only alteration is the addition of unnecessary impulse engines. No one thinks now that as Trek time passes, impulse engines should be fewer and smaller. This Titan does not fit the 24th century... at all. It has phaser turrets - forget the strips which had always been used for 24th century ships - and myriad other anachronistic features. If it were in the service of aesthetics that would be one thing, but this is a kludge. It is the perfect flagship for a franchise which has turned its timelines into spaghetti. The franchise has simply lost any vestige of creative integrity.

[@Valeron5]

The two phaser ball turrets inside a red rectangle it’d be cool if they were pulse laser cannons like the Defiant had but perhaps Type 14 instead of Type 10 or stupendous 12.

[@dotmatrix7383]

I'm not a fan of this at all. It's a nice ship, but this really should've been the Luna class. Something fans have more of a connection to.

[@IsilmeTuruphant]

There's something soulless about this design. they took the Shangri La class and reworked the saucer section so from the front it was LITERALLY the TMP Enterprise. Same windows, same proportions, same stupid outdated phaser turrets. the rest of the ship's outline they just kind of... ran a blowtorch over the model to soften the edges and curve out the originally sharp lines of the struts. It LOOKS like a kitbash, except done on purpose to tug at the nostalgia strings.

[@tuskin3811]

Most fans have no connection to the Luna Class.

[@Kid_Mercury]

We have a 25th century Excelsior class and now a new Constitution class. Can’t wait to see the redone Miranda and Oberth classes

[@williammitchell4417]

This ship looks like USS Vengeance with a different color.

[@timrose9826]

Looks like something right out of Star Trek 3

[@red2001ss]

I really wanna know, aside from being Rikers 1st real command, what qualifies the Titan to receive a "-A" after its registry....

[@empressadria7009]

I hope it doesn't. And if it does, that we'll be told what Riker's Titan did to warrant its registry getting frozen in time like the Enterprise and Voyager.

[@MChauNsd]

I give them props for introducing the new ship trying to bring the constitution to a newer century but the main hull feels so mismatched from the saucer and even then the saucer is cut up with HUGE impulse engines (which I particularly don't like)

[@RegClintonBrown]

When I saw it I was like "Interesting🤔"👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾

[@springtime1838]

Am Betting that Captain William Boimler and the Luna Class USS Titan went out in a blaze of glory