Trekyards EP237 - NX-01 / NX Refit Comparison

[@gabbogabbo]

I have always loved the NX but when I saw the refit, it blew me away! I absolutely love how the secondary hull looks kinda tacked on and primitive. It adds to the evolution of the ships.

[@Asuno1321]

I think so too and you get such a nice evolution line when you put the NX Refit next to the other Enterprises I so wish they had shown it in the show

[@SciFiFan2012]

Yes Gabbo, I definitely agree, I can see the evolution from the NX to the NX refit to the 'proto' Constitution (before the TOS), then the Constitution class

[@gabbogabbo]

some people bave said it looks clunky or tacked on. but thats what makes it evolutionary instead of revolutionary. love it! Just wish we could have seen her on screen.

[@SciFiFan2012]

Ah, clunky. As if the older TOS chips in the FJ TM didn't look clunky (some of them). Problem is we as fans, we expect A+B+C in Starfleet designs, and if it doesn't have those exact things, we cry 'foul'.

[@andyshirtliff7434]

Absolutely!

[@fubarmodelyard1392]

damn shame there wasn't a season 5 to see this ship in action

[@jameslyddall]

I rewatched enterprise the other day for the first time since its original air date and your right such a shame. There could have been some fantastic story lines such as foucssing on the romulan war as I've always wanted to see that in a trek series. Loved to have seen why and how they used nuclear weapons or seen the enterprised beefed up to take on the threat. Oh well at least we have Discovery...oh wait.

[@johnsledge3942]

There’s a reboot series of books that involve it! (roughly 10 I think) I highly recommend reading em if you wanna see more adventures of the Enterprise crew. They start with “last full measure.”

[@bobbyjohnson7069]

I think of there had been a 5th season , writers could have corrected the issue of nuke weapons during the Romulan war( the nx-01 had received phase cannons and photonic torpedos which were far more powerful than plasma cannons and spatial torpedoes which were a magnitude more potent than low yield nuke missiles) Maybe warp2- 3 ships were used in the Romulan war? The Earth contingent may not have had time to refit all ships to the NX-01 to 05 standards and would have to “ fight with what they had”

[@russellanderson3881]

Their are people who really want a season 5 Enterprise. Most like they would take off the last episode in season 4 and then move into season 5 with this retrofit.

[@jankjason]

A lot of people seem to give the refit flak but I personally love its design over the original.

[@saquist]

I'm one of those people with the flak cannon

[@sleipnirodin2881]

Really like the refit to!

[@ShrekWallBee]

yeah and if they had introduced the A thou Z after the 1701 the refit should of been A and the constaution claass would of been 1701 B and so on

[@edwardclarke7771]

I love the original NX-Class and I love the refit very much. I wish the new series was about the NX-01 refit during the Romulan Wars.

[@sagesheahan6732]

Same. They really missed out there..

[@simondavies8969]

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[@fatenabu1]

I fly one in STO now they have added it. I love my NX Refit. I've done a progression. I started it out as regular NX. I went NX Refit with NX skin. Then I went NX Refit with Refit skin, now use the NX Refit with TOS skin

[@Ross74h]

Dustin Gibbons I want one for the PS4 version but I have an Nx as it is. some of the 25th century versions of the "classic" classes just work as evolutions of the originals.

[@firefighter09100]

I thought the reason the NX-02 looked so different, was from the data and recommendations for class improvements from Capt. Archer?

[@sagesheahan6732]

As stated in the series. Yup.

[@gallendugall8913]

Recently picked up the refit in STO and as someone who was not a fan of Enterprise I have to say I love that thing. Put a Block 0 skin on it and it looks so TOS.

[@gallendugall8913]

That cowling appears in the 23rd Century Dreadnaught except it's extended on both sides.

[@AgentExeider]

I think the NX refit really reflects the journey the original ship had taken, almost as if someone read the mission reports and said "How to we prevent some of those avoidable gotchas that the crew endured." closing up the nacelles for example because they realized firstly, it's dangerous out there, this isn't just peaceful exploration and someone is going to try to take a pot shot at the nacelles because some _DID_ take potshots at the nacelles and disable the ship's warp drive. Also it might reflect a more confidence in the technology. That perhaps the open nacelles was to allow some rapid tossing of plasma in the event of some accident they felt was going to happen more than it should. After flying around for almost 5 years with a good operation record, perhaps they felt, ok the risk of some plasma issue isn't as bad as we thought, so we can close up these nacelles. Remember Archer and Jeffries went back and forth on the design of the ship as it was being built, Archer saying he didn't want to command a warship, and perhaps there were elements of his father's design he didn't want to give up. What alot of people forget is Archer unlike other captains of Enterprise had a direct involvement in the design of the ship, Archer didn't just command enterprise, he helped design her. And after what he experienced with the Xindi, Archer might have come to accept Jeffries' suggestions and perhaps even encouraged them, resulting in a more robust, durable vessel, that's slightly more intimidating. Archer will always be an explorer at heart, but had the series gone on, he would have likely been more vigilant when it came to his interactions with other people, Not saying he wanted to suddenly have a warship, but just that he's not as overly sensitive about things as before and would rather have an extra torpedo launcher or thicker armor plating regardless of what other people might think.

[@stevenewman1393]

🖖😎👍Very totally cool and very nicely greatly wonderfully well done and very nicely informatively explained and executed in every detail way shape and format provided on the NX-01 and the NX-01 Refit Conparison, And I myself would of have loved seeing the refit in Enterprise if it would of went on for a 5th season indeed, And I myself own both versions of the NX-01 by Eaglemoss myself as well as the both Polar lights kits as well, Any ways a very fabulous job well done indeed Sir's!👌.

[@glrider100]

My theory on adding a secondary hull: In NX-01, the path of the power was horizontal out the saucer, then a 90 degree turn aft to go down the pontoons, then another 90 to go up the pylons. They theorized that power was being lost taking those 90 degree turns, so to get a straight shot from the engine itself thru the pylons and into the nacelles, the pylons were extended down to where they meet.. hence the need for the secondary hull. That opened space in the saucer section, where engineering once was. It also explains differences in the look of the pontoons, because they no longer had the power lines running through them. The reason the secondary hull was so small, was space in the pontoons was now available, the profile of the mission probably wasn't changed all that much. In reality, the only thing the secondary hull had to do, was to provide space for engineering. One think you didn't mention.. the shuttle bay. What happened to it? If memory serves, it was located precisely where the neck in the refit connects. I didn't see shuttle bay anywhere. Another point.. the NX-01 was an experimental ship. Pressed into long-term service. The secondary hull, and new engine/pylon/nacelle geometry could have been a "test", so some of the old technology on NX-01 (original) didn't need to be updated to the very latest and greatest technology everywhere.

[@Nitram4392]

I know this comment is years old, but I can answer some of the questions, if you're watching this video in the present. The secondary hull was added to contain the new Warp 7 Warp core. (side note: the secondary hull can be seperated by explosive bolts, if the experimental core becomes critical) The open space in the saucer section doesn't exist, because the Warp 5 core is still installed. It is used to run the new deflector shields provided by the Andorians in combat, while the new core runs weapons and engines. The shuttle bay(s) are now in the back of the saucer section and are more similar to the later "flight deck" design. But there is still a drop down hangar for 2 hull inspection pods. They're just farther back. If you want you can check out the internal changes on this (www.waxingmoondesign.com/MainPage.html) page yourself.

[@MostBronzeChunner]

Since the '05 Doctor Who, I can't help but think that the NX 01 has massive sonic screwdrivers for nacelles.

[@thomaskirkness-little5809]

Whenever people mention sonic screwdrivers, I am reminded of an episode from the Wargames where Troughton uses his sonic screwdriver to unscrew and screw a screw. It always makes me smile.

[@raidpwpw]

Perfect timing as my Eaglemoss refit model just arrived this morning! I suspect the NX refit is more squat than the Constitution because deflector technology was less advanced / efficient. The Constitution could afford to be bigger as it could project a wider deflection field.

[@mickeyholding7970]

I love my Eaglemoss NX original and refit. The XL ones are even better.

[@Fabulist]

I somehow missed this when it first came out. You guys have always done terrific deep dives into the ships, but this is your best yet. Getting the exact angles to directly compare the original NX to the refit is next-level dedication.

[@sagesheahan6732]

9:52 Oh THATS what happened? I figured there was some kind of production curfuffle. I mean, realistically, a long range sensor apparatus is NOT the same thing as a wide angle FTL particle and debris deflector... Though it DOES make sense to place both devices in the same location, facing forward. At FTL warp speeds, you will want to maybe see whete youre going? And at the same time, be able to see AND move debris and particulate matter out of the way of your ship or itll punch holes in your hull.... This may have been a retcon. But, if anything, it was a good one. To my own head canon bc of all this: yes Cptn they put the LR sensor array there first. And than only later upgraded ships with the deflector parts. And this was at NXs time, that does make the most sense. So than, why did happen on the Connie? Simple. the design for the main deflector of the Constitution class when it came about and was launched was so advanced at the time they launched it at first only with just the long range sensors. (Though, what early Constitutions were using as a deflector than comes into question, and why none of them randomly disappeared from traveling at warp and hitting a stray particle at just the wrong angle only to explode... Theories???)

[@101marcwesley]

I was really impressed with this episode. Informative, insightful, and with no negativity. I'm all for the positivity.

[@Kaiber_Phoenix]

i love the nx and the refit they just are a nice design and sleek

[@dhindaravrel8712]

The Columbia deflector was a concept that was thought to perform better than the Enterprise's, but in practice they found it didn't work as well and they never used it again. Simple explanation. :)

[@hogfry]

By season 5 the enterprise would have access to some of the other fed founders tech. Some of the changes probably come from the free flow of technologies as well as Archers own recommendations from the ships previous experience.

[@orinokonx01]

Loved this episode. The little details you point out is what it is all about! Thanks for your efforts!

[@Penfolduk001]

Love this refit. Actually feels like a refit. Whereas the TMP Enterprise, whilst retaining the classic design aesthetic, was pretty much a completely new ship.

[@MetallicaFan1442]

Great podcast guys, love the work you put into this channel.

[@power543]

not a podcast...a webshow ;) although we do, do a separate trekyards podcast on Sundays!

[@HitodamaKyrie]

15:52 Oh, I never noticed that they had maneuvering thrusters placed on the impulse engines like that. At least, I'm assuming that's what those things to the sides of the exhaust bits are.

[@jalan8171]

Is this re-fit of NX-01 lead in to the creation of the Bonaventure class ship? Over the decades I've read and heard references to the Bonaventure as a ship class that immediately preceded the Constitution class as a heavy star cruiser. Am I wrong on this? Perhaps it could be a topic for a future presentation.

[@Tyranidus7]

As my answer to the question, “Why would you add secondary hull like this instead of just combining everything at the end?” I think a big factor would be putting this ship into the Earth-Romulan War where time and resources were probably very limited so if new advances came or needed to be made to keep up with Romulan ships then they wouldn’t necessarily build completely new ships but they would possibly add as little as possible to current ships to meet demand. It can be explained as a delicate balance of added hardware vs resources available. Also the Series finale stated the enterprise was cruising at warp 7 so the secondary hull could be explained as necessary to house a much larger warp reactor. Perhaps even new shielding to help withstand the speed. Or even better explain that the ships shape actually is more stable for warp speeds and why starfleet eventually went all in basically on that design. The refit is great and much like the show itself its a shame it was canceled before its time.

[@arnthorsnaer]

Great reference images.. are they available somewhere?

[@TrentonBennett]

I absolutely love the NX-01 Refit. It really sucks Enterprise got canned since we learned we were going to see the refit in Season 5. When I built the Round 2 1/1000th version of the NX-01 I made it as the refit. Edit: Doug has gone on record saying that the refit parts were meant to be a plug n play style. Basically if needed they can be removed from the ship then added again for specific missions or whatever.

[@AgentExeider]

17:58 I honestly thought that was the new launch bay. Since the neck on the refit literally connects into the launch bay area of the regular NX.

[@kwaktak]

I always viewed the NX as a test bed for the warp 5 engine core and that using it as an exploratory vessel was a great experiment. When they made another vessel of the same model (Columbia) then it clearly ceased to be "eXperimental" and thus became a ship of the line and should have been changed to "NCC-01". As for "refitting" it, then it definitely should have been redesignated because the role of the vessel had clearly changed from that of essentially a scout to a light cruiser. There are historical examples of this, such as when the old US Navy collier (a freighter designed to haul coal) USS Jupiter (AC-3) was modified 7 years after its initial commissioning in 1913 by adding a flight deck to become the first aircraft carrier USS Langley (CV-1) in 1920.

[@Tar-Numendil]

I really like the idea of this refit not happening until 2162, after the founding of the Federation.

[@thribs]

Got my Columbia Class in STO. I appropriately called it the S.S. Esses.

[@morganb6717]

trust that i would fly by with the Thumbs Up ship emote because that's the kind of silly i'd acknowledge. further imagine if your captain was named Manny Ems... the voyages of Manny Ems and the S.S. Esses.

[@thribs]

Morgan B It's named after the famous ship in Hot Shots.

[@morganb6717]

i am disappointed in myself for not having recognized the reference immediately. loved those films. it's been quite awhile since last i've watched one. looks like i could do with a refresher.

[@morganb6717]

(o.O) i had thought to mention other Zucker, Abrahams and Zucker films but chose "those films" instead. after hitting Reply, the titles of "those films" were popping my head and i came to Airplane! and it's star... Robert Hays. i am going to Morissette the hell out of this coincidence and call it irony!

[@katsujinken10]

Although I love the designs for the NX and its refit I think the Pioneer Class from Star Trek Online makes a little more sense as a first evolutionary step towards what would eventually become the star drive section. It's very much like a slightly pre TOS style NX but there's just that small added pod attached to the bottom of the saucer for the dish and I can more easily see that being expanded upon in subsequent designs until becoming the full secondary hull seen by the time of the Constitution Class.

[@mikagrof9243]

nah i think that the nx refit makes much more sense maybe that would be a step inbetween the nx and the constitution

[@travistaylor6052]

One of the things i noticed you did not mention the relocation of the shuttle bays. If memory serves me on the NX-01 the bays was located in the place that they attached the neck to, i could be mistaken. If that is the case, then where would they have put the shuttle bays in the refit?

[@Karagianis]

I like the idea that the new larger warp core that the endineering hull addition allowed was maybe a little more dangerous, that the secondary hull design was maybe added to keep it away from the bulk of the crew. The extra plating on the top of the secondary hull fits with that too, some form of radiation shielding. I could see the engine room crew wearing protective clothing down there and being rotated so as to not spend too long in there.

[@Curas1]

But...the engineering section antenna disk is the deflector dish and so is the blue slit at the bow of the saucer...two deflector dishes ?

[@Tar-Numendil]

I love the Nx class, but the Nx refit class is one of my favorites. It's right up there with the Excelsior refit class, the Ambassador class (Andrew Proberts design), the Sovereign class, and my absolute favorite - The Odyssey class.

[@mikestoast]

Fortunately, the secondary hull is not what the producers wanted. As a first ship, they should be smaller and less complex than what we see 70 years down the road. Had there been a secondary hull from the get go, it would showcase that technology had not really advanced over that time. It would also show that the Constitution Class is not that much of an advancement, as with the secondary hull the ships are near identical in size. The secondary hull i could see coming along 35-40 years later as the NX classes are refitted. If we were to get an extra season of Enterprise it would have been nice to see the next 3 ships be launced. Never seeing the secondary hull on a ship but perhaps just on a display as an "idea" someone is messing around with. Looking at these ships it would be interesting to see each class of ship get designed to the styling of another time period. What would a NX class look like if done in the refit/miranda way, or Ent B, C, D, E. What would the Ent B look like in the styling of the NX or the Ent D. As you guys have said there are only so many ways to do a saucer and hull, would be interesting to take the various shapes and move them into different eras.

[@watchthe1369]

It goes from a flar space-raft to a ship with a keel and a real space-craft that can stay in deep space for extended periods. I wish there was a season 5 the crew was just hitting its stride. The engineering hull does look tacked on, but it looks like it was a well engineered addin, like the angle deck on the Coral Sea aircraft carrier had an angle deck added, it was still an Essex class, with modifications to handle jet aircraft. The engineering hull was added for more endurance and perhaps to carry photon torpedoes, and reactor fuel for the Romulan War

[@jasondunbar3592]

The secondary hull had he deflector but why did they keep,the deflector on the saucer

[@Abu_Brandino]

Jason Dunbar the one on the saucer is a navigational deflector to block small particles and materials from hitting the ship at full impulse and warp. Without it they’d punch through the hull from the velocity. The secondary hull dish would be the new shield dish, remember the NX-01 didn’t have shields they had polarised hull plating. I would then assume that both navigational deflector functions would be included into the shield dish in later class ships.

[@digitalis2977]

Color changes of windows is an easy explanation: window tint. When he NX-01 launched, energy shielding was minimal and barely effective. As such, radiation shielding was accomplished by actual plating on the hull and leaded glass/reflective tinting for windows....especially into the orange/red shades to block infrared radiations (since looking out a non-shielded window into an unfiltered infrared source would result in severe retinal damage in very short order.) By the time of the refit, navigational deflectors (among other technological advancements) would allow for removal of the tinting, allowing for natural lighting colors to shine out from inside the ship without being filtered by the tinting.

[@jalan8171]

As for the differential color schemes between NX-01 and the NX-02, two other theories: a) Make identification easier from a distance between the two. b) Changes made by the contractor for technical or cost saving considerations.

[@stavinaircaeruleum2275]

The NX-01 pre-refit had a deflector dish, right? The refit has the same structure in the front. So doesn't that mean the NX-01 refit have two deflector dishes?

[@iceomistar4302]

That is a hull emitter to polarise the outer hull, so it has a back up in case the primary shields fail

[@christopherbrentbrown8840]

It appears to me that the neck attaches close to where the shuttle pod bay was. It seems possible that whole area could be relatively easy to convert and they moved the shuttle back to the back of the secondary hull. I think it all works well together. 👍

[@GregoryMCMAHON817]

Very cool video.

[@4750548]

the secondary hull kinda a plug and play upgrade to keep the NX class going since Star fleet didn't really have many ships at that time what are the red squares in front of the bridge? Are they access doors

[@GMLSX]

How come the Images of the different ships do not line up? Are they allready different in Modeler or is there a problem with the video editing programm? If it's the later, just render the Image in the final video res to fit the frame of your so called tactical operational display 1100. I case you don't know: In layout: Hit "O" -> Display Tab -> Camera View Background -> Background Image. Provided you loaded the frame of your tactical operational display as backdrop (ctrl + F7). You can use limited region (l) to avoid rendering things outside the used frame, saving on render time.

[@sagesheahan6732]

4:05 Me and Capt Foley differ on that. I like nacelles that glow on both sides, preferably. However! On this specific design, and the TOS Connie, on THOSE I prefer just the inboard grills vs on both sides. Odd, I know, but even given my own personal preference, some ship designs just look better with only the inboard grills.

[@DonellJackson]

I love both NX-01 and the NX-01 refit. To see this one ship evolve and take the next step towards TOS is amazing. I love Trekyards and what it has to offer. I'm a fan for life.

[@quoniam426]

NX-01 refit is merely a way to try out some new things before implementing them on actual new ships, a test bed of sorts to check the relevance of a concept instead of making a new but impractical ship. US and other navies have done it in the past, trying out catapults on old cruisers to test if they could send and recover an aircraft on a warship before building an aircraft carrier and the first carriers were old cargo ships transformed into aircraft carriers before the navies could build real and practical carriers. So that wouldn't surprise me if Starfleet tried the secondary hull concept on the old and glorious NX-01 before building new ships with secondary hulls.

[@kk2d11]

Dual prongs on deflector on Columbia...like a dual band router?

[@bengrogan9710]

Red striping on panel edging could be referencing blowout panels, what is under them?

[@straycat1674]

As an old soldier here's what I can tell you about the difference in colors, potentially. And Mike 10 years serving in the military I saw bass commanders decided they wanted to change the shade of brown or blue or whatever used throughout the entire base because they liked another shade slightly better. Sometimes it could be as juvenile and Patty as that. Somebody just happen to like a different color and since they were in charge they have the ability to have all the general facilities and vehicles painted a slightly different shade of all of drab, strata blue or Doodoo brown.

[@benjaminvandorp9224]

The Shuttle bays and the grappler are moved to the secondary hull? Or perhaps now they have a tractor beam after the refit? Neat design, just finishing up watching Enterprise again.

[@hallkbrdz]

Yes, it needs racing stripes - and a few stickers to make it go faster. ;-) Color changes - lowest bidder for protective coating.

[@majordakka5743]

Bryan Hall Also needs some VTEC stickers to add some boost

[@Veklim]

Not sure why exactly but I immediately assumed the red tracing on the top of the saucer would be something to do with a shielding array. Pretty sure the lightening colour of the hull has a lot to do with the reduced ablative and polarising requirements if shielding tech has been incorporated, sure you'll keep redundancies but it's now a secondary/tertiary line of defence rather than the primary. I think the nature of the 'bolt on' secondary hull also makes total sense, since (as you mention at the end) the entire assembly could be done independant of the actual ship in dry dock and basically just bolted on come refit time. It also speaks to a modular mentality which makes a hell of a lot of sense for something which is still in early development, the primary hull had been thoroughly field tested by that stage after all, and if it ain't broke.... All told, I love this refit concept, and since it's now essentially canon (one of the few positives I can take from ST:P) I just hope we might see an excuse to revisit this classic in the future, even if it's only as a wreck or museum piece.

[@s.jamessavell6995]

Will there be a video of nx01, nx01 refit, discovery enterprise and enterprise refit comparison ?

[@richardajoy79]

In the pilot 'Broken Bow' Archer told Trip that he scratched the paint when the Inspection Pod scrapped along the hull, which was funny as I doubted the ship would be painted, as it would be scratched all the time after being hit with particles while travelling through space. We already know that metals are of varying color and combining different materials into a composite, could also change the color. With advances in composite materials, the hull's could change over time.

[@jordanreed3675]

Richard Joy the paint wouldn’t get scratched that’s what the deflector does

[@matfru7174]

I always wondered: after adding the second hull, did they move the warp core to it or did it stay in the saucer? And if it stayed, then what was in and why add the second hull? It never really made sense to me to add a second hull to an already fully planned ship.story wise I mean. And if they only built new NX class ships with the new design, the design of the connection of the warp nacelles to the hull could have been made better imo...

[@barrybend7189]

With the deflector it could be internal upgrades like how WW2 destroyers and cruisers have the same radar system structure but better internals.

[@douglasmitchell5033]

Real nice advancement to the NX

[@cypher1053]

I love the NX refit as well. Paid a pretty penny to purchase one on Ebay and to me, it's worth it.

[@crgkevin6542]

Do you think they totally replaced the warp core for this refit, or added some sort of extra core in the secondary hull? Personally, I think a vertical core running through the neck (like the Connie refit) and hooking up to the original power feeds would be a reasonable assumption for the extra power given by the new hull.

[@Alan1701b]

NX-01 refit is definitely a ship I could see fighting in the war with the Romulans...but judging by the final episode of Enterprise, Starfleet didn't make the modifications until after the war was over and the Federation was founded

[@fubarmodelyard1392]

Alan Kelly all copies of the final episode should be erased

[@thatHARVguy]

1st rule about Enterprise's final episode...

[@TheCastellan]

Ignore it like Dr. Who fans do with the 1996 TV movie with the half human thing. Also, we never SAW the outside of the ship, I think, in the final episode

[@ThatSpoiler]

The last episode was literally a hologram so I don't consider it canon.

[@warlordgank1318]

Anyone know what the intro theme is specifically? Thanks in advance.

[@TheValarClan]

I noticed no comment about the Shuttle POD area..... Looks like they may have reduced it to just 2. And the fat neck might give them cover.... Its not launched from the 2ndary hull it seems.... And I only see the 2 from one angle of a shot.

[@Bill23799]

I love the NX-01 Refit . Do you think they would have designed the secondary hull to be able to be jetisoned from the primary hull ? It could be used as a lifeboat for the crew if there was severe damage to the ship.

[@josephmcconnell8905]

I'd like to see what it would look like without the akira struts. Also what do you think about the original nx01 or even the 02 having a deployable dish, like before it goes to warp it would kind of petal out into a full circle rather than the small rectangular shape?

[@roberthill7051]

Where do you find the CGI models they used in this episode? Is there an online database of CGI Star Trek ships somewhere? Cool intro, btw!

[@willpatterson2986]

the refit design makes sense. the lower second could easily be built while the Enterprise was out. the ship gets recalled at the end of the fifth year and this section is added upgrading the ship to the new warp 6-7 design. it would've been interesting if the refit had the NCC-01 USS Enterprise making it the first ship of the newly formed Federation.

[@RealBadGaming52]

this wasnt on the Show wheres it from ?

[@donaldhill3823]

If you are adding the space of a secondary hull to house engineering then it would follow that the space left behind would be used for other things from labs to crew quarters.

[@Mouset2012]

What if the Columbia deflector dish is the prototype for the enterprise bigger refit deflector dish. you don't replace a good dish for a prototype if the replacement is already in place.

[@nicoferguson1215]

The refit nx class was featured in the book series called Star trek: Rise of the Federation

[@nicoferguson1215]

In the series, the class is known as the Columbia class, named after the Nx-02, lost in the first year of the Romulan War

[@nicoferguson1215]

Nowadays, it is canon, thanks to Star Trek Picard

[@Demiurge13]

wish there would've been a season 5. Not only were they planning on having that refit on, but they were gonna have the kzinti too. Saw some designs they did for their ships which looked pretty cool. Damn missed potential.

[@christopherbrentbrown8840]

Maybe the different saucer dishes do different things. Sorta like the nebula and Miranda classes have different specific attachments?

[@Kibogu]

I think the guy on the left was trying to say that it looks complete with the secondary hull. I was thinking about that before I watched this, and I agree with him that it was missing something before.

[@the_old_crimge74]

have you ever thought of putting the Enterprise F, or the refit into the intro?

[@power543]

nope :) Although we will re-do it with all Studio used 3D models from the shows and movies.

[@saquist]

I was wondering when that was going to happen

[@power543]

Yes i want to re-do this one to my modern standards and a new standard Trekyards one as that is going on 2 and a half years old. The new Legends intro will be an endevour since its all the hero ships, hence my delay...and same for the main intro...id want to put in a lot of shps...so also a huge render time. although all canon!

[@Jack_Stafford]

+power543 Seeing more of the hero ships would be great for this intro but I hope for Mission Briefings that you keep the basic structure of the music and sound effects cues because they so perfectly sync up and prepare one for the incoming transmission of the briefing as we enter Earth orbit. Just the way that music starts and progresses really puts one in the mood to be ready for the incoming Mission briefing. It's all there; the visuals, the sound effects, and the music. Perfect! :)

[@Robert_Douglass]

I know the 1701-G is an Odyssey class, but has anyone designed the H or the I yet? I remember the size of the 1701-J Universe-class put me in mind of the Imperial-class Star Destroyer, and I've always wanted to see what a Fed equivalent of a Star Destroyer would look like. Any takers?

[@T1hitsTheHighestNote]

I miss one aspect in your comparison: The secondary hull of the NX refit is attached right at the shuttle bay doors. Was the shuttle bay moved down into the secondary hull?

[@power543]

the shuttle bay is the exact same...Doug Drexler says about shuttle's launching...that they just need to be "extra" careful. there is enough room to clear the neck...just

[@schott106]

Always had question on nx 01 aft torpedoes. On the design they come from rear or saucer but on television seems to come from warp field stabilizer. Any comments on where them come from. Also if from stabslizer think it is permanently manned?

[@someidiot4311]

one time i was comparing the nx refit and constitution class, but pulled up an ambassador class without noticing until i saw the nacelles.

[@loganbyrne3054]

My idea is also hull plating, but less of a shine in space with lighting. More matte, than shiny.

[@frankharr9466]

I think that some what's going on is that human engineering moved towards being able to repair things from the inside, a realization that warp cores engines are too unstable so they need to be jetisinable, and they hadn't developed the linear core yet, so that meant an entire section of the ship would have to be abandoned (a ship likely blew up). Also, I've noted that warp engines are narrower when the ship is longer in proportion to its width, so that might be how warp bubble geometry works. Also, you guys spend WAY too much time looking at this stuff and I love it . Keep up the good work.

[@Kibogu]

"What are the chances of your main primary deflector failing." This is an interesting point to mention. Looking back at TNG, when they used the big dick beam against the Borg, it burned out the deflector, which was a case they could definitely have used a backup.

[@Veklim]

If memory serves (it's been over 20 years since I last looked!) the schematics for the Galaxy class actually still has a saucer section backup deflector installed, it's just entirely internal by then. Considering the saucer section was detachable and was capable of doing so whilst the ship was still at warp (it couldn't maintain the warp field but it could still ride it) there would HAVE to be independant saucer section deflectors of some sort or the whole thing would obliterate itself the moment it dropped out of the nacelle's fields.

[@arthurdotson9579]

Is the NX refit actually canon? Also, in the last episode of Enterprise (where it was a Holodeck scenario with Riker from Next Generation, and the Enterprise setting of the episode was set ten years after the pilot episode), was the NX supposed to be the refit version by this time period????

[@MrSheckstr]

Arthur Dotson given the rule of "if it doesn't make the screen it's not canon" I would say no. HOWEVER you can write your own canon where at some point the next stage of starships And NX refit were built and you could have endless discussions of which came first. Was the NX a stop gap design while the new class was in development, OR were NX class vessels (either mothballed or regulated to secondary roles) refitted to bring them closer to the standards of the next design. A logical assumption would be that Starfleet at some point was a mix of four classes of vessel, original NX class, refit NX class, NX+1 class which would be a refit design built from the ground up, and then "Next Class"

[@arthurdotson9579]

"Next class"? Well, if I were going to do that, I'd want to look at a comprehensive timeline of events. The Federation and Starfleet list of starships and classes works much like any navy, using various classes to fill various roles in that navy. The NX was supposed to be an exploration vessel, first and foremost, but it was also "supposed" to be armed well enough to handle itself in a fight.....which it was, by Earth standards at the time (despite getting its butt handed to it repeatedly by enemies with better tech). The Constitution class, on the other hand, is often referred to as a cruiser or heavy cruiser. Meaning that while it is supposed to be for exploration, it has a navy designation for its role in combat situations. I don't remember if the NX had such a designation, but considering the "NX" in its ID number meaning prototype(s), then it probably didn't need one. Figuring out the length of time between the introduction of the NX class (Enterprise launch in 2151, Columbia in 2154), taking into account the NX Enterprise's ten year active life before decommissioning, and figuring out when the Constitution class was introduced (12 by 2267, so it could have been between the 2240s to 2250s, especially with the high attrition of this class mentioned on the wiki), this would give you an idea of when such refit models could have been introduced. With the info given there, there's about 100 years to work with. NX class could have served well after Enterprise's retirement, as Enterprise serving for ten years was a good life, using it as a test bed for the technologies that came later. It could've been retired for some different reason without ever receiving the refit (like what if tech used in the refit to make them possible were introduced in later NX class vessels, but not the original ship(s) like the Enterprise?). This means later NX class had better design than Enterprise, used during the refit process, NX could've been refit to be more powerful for a time, as a stopgap until NX+1s could begin finishing completion. Considering the longevity of the Excelsior class alone, an upgraded and refit NX class, with much more power, room for more facilities to expand the capabilities of the ship, longer range communications, and improved, faster warp drive, as well as being built from the ground up to support the newest phaser and photon torpedo weaponry made by the Federation, such a ship could have served a long and fruitful life in Starfleet, for many decades at least. It also could have leaped forward in warp drive technology. Where the NX Enterprise was capable of warp 5 when pushed, the Constitution Enterprise and her like were capable of warp 8 or 9 when pushed. The NX refit could have moved up to warp 6 with all the data learned from Enterprise and other NX class, with the refit's new lower hull meant to expand on power generation t supply the warp drive with what it needed to reach higher speeds. All of that is just guess work though. I'm not going to make a video. And as far as "making my own canon", I don't really do that unless RPGs are involved, otherwise I like hard info.

[@psyslo]

The warp field stabilizer looks like a huge shuttlecraft/lifeboat that can detach from the ship.

[@philipx2]

Shuttle bays? On the refit where are the shuttles going to launch from?

[@jameslewis2635]

One criticism I have of this refit is that it has the two deflector dishes. The secondary hull with the larger deflector dish would surely make the original one redundant so I would want to take that space for the original dish and replace it with a weapons array which would make sense in that this ship is supposed to be launched into a war. I would expect that with the secondary hull added it would have more space for engines possibly allowing a higher warp speed, possibly up to warp 7.

[@jonneexplorer]

Important note, they don;t need to cut a new hull, this neck attaches to the old shuttlebay! Also you need to read the enterprise relaunch books, and rise of the federation. they feature this design

[@sagesheahan6732]

12:56 AGREED.

[@myownsongs100]

How fits the discovery?

[@mikedignum1868]

Whats that name on the side of the second hull ? It looks like S.S. ???

[@power543]

Yes...S.S Enterprise

[@0hvist]

the likely reason for the glowing on the NX pre-refit Warp Nacelles probably has to do with a seeming lack of supplies and research at first, recall that the Vulcans had essentially held the Humans back on Warp Field development along with multiple other fields of engineering so the Humans needed to get creative or try to cut corners on things. So while the technology might exist to make the NX-Class better, they had a lot of technological gaps that they needed to try overcoming (such as Grappler arms instead of Tractor Beams, Energized Hull Plating instead of Shield Generators, etc.), essentially when the NX-01 was sent out on its mission to Klingon Space, the ship was still "Skeletal" and had remained that way for a long period of time while the NX-02 was being built due to the fact that _Enterprise_ was constantly needed in space in order to help mediate with other species and to explore the wider galaxy, having to make-do with whatever they could find on hand and whatever allies and friends they would make in order to stay afloat and ahead of their adversaries. It would very likely be around the time of the establishment and solidification of the United Federation of Planets that technology between the Andorians, Vulcans, and Tellarites could be actively shared with the Humans that would allow for the NX-Refit to properly take place.

[@professormccoyspopculturer8345]

I personally believe that there one or two more steps before we get the connie. I would love to see them for fun added on to these design and continue to show us how we got the connie .

[@cernstormrunner7263]

I kinda wish they had started with this instead of the original NX. Would have made it feel less like they re-skinned an Akira.

[@junwatarase234]

I really like the NX refit but sadly cant afford it in STO Still trying to get one

[@Ken19700]

With a deflector in the saucer section the dish on the secondary hull could be a radio telescope.

[@thomashill6347]

Is there a difference between the NX-1 of the Federation and the NX-1 of the Empire ?

[@kokodin5895]

FOR ME: 1) a) they should attach this thing, if ever, then somewhere in the beggining of the series when enterprise was first recall to earth . they did an overhaul or something back then , so it would be logical to refit enterprise in its development stage as a test study.And never refit any other nx ship but rather go straight into constitution design. b) never refit nx-01 and leave it as a sort of sience experiment, to study long time exposure of nx design to space . then conclude that all the other nx class ships need a refit to minimise some issues with oryginal design and continue this into new clases. 2) i would like to mention, that every early earth nx ship was an experimental ship by itself and columbia and enterprise could test different technologies for similar purpous. haul plating, ramscoops, deflector dish. not every technology of columbia must be superior to enterprise, different does not mean better or reqired.(but that is only my view point) What i miss from the show would be seeing Archer say "what the ugly thing did you slamm into my ship!" i had another point, but i forgot it while typing this thanks for that episode i enjoyed it

[@bobbyjohnson7069]

Archer would have appreciated the refit, as it gave space and larger supplies, bigger crew and equipment: work stations. I also bet the refit was warp 6+

[@ravagesoul2]

Will you guys ever make just an audio podcasts covering just the ships? I really love the KZbin video podcast channel

[@Aridanx]

I took the enhanced nacelle armor on the conny and the refit as a defensive rather than propulsion based choice, as the nx style nacelle was easily damaged, and then as we get into the TNG the reversion to simpler nacelle design could be attributed to improved materials.

[@lelandframe6927]

"Maybe they ran out of that color of paint?" Well, maybe. At least they didn't mix the red and white paint they had--and paint it pink (ALA "Operation Petticoat")! ;)

[@balrighty3523]

The deflector one-point, two-point, refit one-point thing makes sense if you consider more evolutions in the design. Say, the NX-01 flies out of drydock with its primary hull deflector having only one point (let's call it the Mark 1). Then when Columbia launches, its primary hull deflector has newer and better equipment, and two points on its deflector (the Mark 2). Then by the time Enterprise comes in for its upgrade (not the refit yet), they figured out how to integrate Columbia's better tech, but without having to add a second point (the Mark 3). Then the Enterprise gets its refit and its Mark 3 deflector becomes the backup and the deflector on the new secondary hull (the Mark 4) becomes the main dish.