Titanium White Versus Flake White Replacement

[@damien706]

Man, I was using titanium white for a few years before trying flake white, I always felt like titanium was making my colours kinda flat.. but alas.. I tried flake white and I'm just upset that I didn't discover it sooner. I feel like you can use it for glazing it's transparency is incredible. 💜

[@vincentvancraig]

nice...thats what im talking about---- yeah, im self taught, and used titanium for long, --- i definitely wouldnt have, but, back then insucked sombad at google searches, i just wasnt internet savvy----im not great now either, but, immbetter than used to be

[@vincentvancraig]

i** sucked** so bad , meant.....and, so** bad** ----- im on youtube dot com, and it wont let me edit comments🙄

[@janroach1852]

Flake White Replacement IS Titanium White with an additive they refuse to list to take down the tinting strength. I have it and it is not even close to Flake White. Since I don't want to use Flake White anywhere in the house I will buy Barium from Natural Pigments. You can add more Barium to your mixtures so the tinting strength is less than the Flake White Replacement. I will have to call them up to see how much you can safely add though. Flake Replacement is still chalky and dense. I also want to try Lithopone which is supposedly a safe Zinc type white paint. I like Zinc white, it just causes cracking. Maybe the Lithopone is the ticket. Natural Pigments and a few others sell Lithopone. Titanium is actually quite good with the blues. Flake White is more useful for flesh tones.

[@vincentvancraig]

I don’t have the greatest eyes when it comes to the kind of benign type color blindness that’s pretty common with some people--but, that is not nearly as different as I thought it’d be--the short version of my story is that ive been disabled the last 4 years and unable to oil paint-I’m slowly working myself back up to it, and into it, and ive been researching gamblin recently, just for sake of ease/clean up, ect, ect-anyway, my question is right before I became disabled, I discovered the wonders of flake white, and it was relavetory to me cuz I’d always DESPISED the bleachy shittiness of titanium--anyway, I never got to actually use lead white before my disabilities took me down--my question is, I’ve heard that with traditional oils, using lead white is beautiful and subtle and its like “painting with pearls”, is gamblin capable of that effect? Cuz I’m not seeing it here, I’m seeing very little difference between titanium and flake--it’s just I’m so enchanted with those glowing whites in the clouds that Claude Monet gets (who used flake white)--my question is, is gamblin capable of those kind of effects? Also, the highlights on skin u get with lead white are amazing--this flake white also didn’t look very transparent to me--sorry so many questions, and that I rambled. I do appreciate the video tho, even tho I’m a bit confused, thumbs up--I guess the lead side seems a tiny bit warmer, a tiny bit, but not what I expected--the titanium side looks a tiny bit more chalky, but again, just a tiny bit--its that chalked-out, bleached-out property of titanium that I hate, and can’t say how much, I just loathe titanium

[@edheim87]

Hello Vincentvancraig - thank you for taking the time to comment. Real leaded white paint absolutely imparts an incredible luminosity. I have primed both panels and canvas with lead white ground to really bring out the luminous/mother of pearl like effect all throughout a painting. The real lead and replacement lead white paints are slightly warmer than Titanium and more user friendly in my opinion than the Titanium which can quickly over power a mixture if you are not careful. As always, I encourage you to experiment with the different whites and decide what works best for you and your paint style.

[@damien706]

@@edheim87 after priming with lead white do you then cover the canvas with another tone? Or do you paint onto the white? Just outside of interest x

[@edheim87]

@@damien706 I have done several toned panels/canvases on different primers (including lead white). Personally I find it to be an extra step that does not contribute very much if anything to the final painting. Starting with a stark white painting surface, just go in and cover it as quickly as possible then go back and make adjustments as needed. Recommend that you experiment and see what works best for you.

[@robertchilders8698]

I've been painting for over 75 years - self taught! I hate titanium white as it turns à brownish yellow. No matter what the medium! The hype of flake white is pure bullshit! What is the reason for getting rid of it? Some of the other colors are even more dangerous!

[@Lalupin464]

You might want to try rublev mixing white, which is titanium white mixed with barite, which is a colorless pigment, so it diminishes the tinting strength of titanium.

[@etienne7774]

So lead white replacement isnt as transparent as pure lead white. The replacement is what? More zink and little titanium white added? Have you painted with lead white?

[@edheim87]

The Flake White Replacement is slightly more opaque than the true Lead White (my favorite) but not by much. In my opinion the real Lead White is also more luminous. Zinc-Titanium White would be more transparent then Leaded White. Pure Zinc White would be the most transparent of course. There are probably variations between brands so I encourage you to buy small tubes and experiment to find what works best for you.

[@etienne7774]

@@edheim87 But does pure zink white have a warm glow to it, like lead white? If you add an ochre color to it, to make it "warmer", then it makes it less transparent, right? So in the end rembrandt could not have done his paintings without the poisonous lead white?

[@edheim87]

@@etienne7774 Good question. I have not used pure Zinc White in many years so cannot say. Adding an opaque color would make the mix more opaque or adding a more transparent color would keep the mix more transparent.

[@etienne7774]

@@edheim87 And zink white cracks, right?

[@edheim87]

@@etienne7774 the zinc white makes a weak layer when cured which can lead to cracking.

[@LittleMew133]

Is flake white replacement also a little translucent?

[@edheim87]

Not really - it is pretty opaque (not as strong as Titanium white but definitely up there). You can try "thinning" it down with your medium of choice if you are trying to build up a more transparent white mixture for your paintings. Experiment with it and see if you think it will work for you.

[@paweyyy3338]

LOL Titanium White VS Titanium White 🤦‍♀Using "Flake White" in this context is a crime.