TOUGH Material: Machining NITRONIC 60

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@travisjarrett2355 11 ай бұрын

I said Silicone. I meant Silicon. My bad. Just a heads up so the roasting can stop 😂!Appreciate the accountability; you guys don’t miss a thing!

@totalyep 11 ай бұрын

You got mad skills. Not an easy part to make.

@bimocular4312 11 ай бұрын

Hahaha I just assumed it was murica speak

@arseniikatkov 10 ай бұрын

We got you, no worries and thank you!

@glenndwyer5786 10 ай бұрын

No U didn't

@russellofcnc 10 ай бұрын

EmPHAsis changes everything lol

@loganh2233 11 ай бұрын

I’ve machined quite of bit of Nitronic 60. I have a new project with a new customer and they have their own proprietary material. All they will really tell me is it’s made up of a lot of Cobalt. Knowing how carbide inserts are made using cobalt as a binder I have decided to tackle the job with ceramic. I have machined some stellite back a decade or so ago and comparing the job to it. I’m in a large aerospace shop but the cobalt job is a automotive project. Just thought I would share.

@TITANSofCNC 11 ай бұрын

Love it… cobalt is definitely hard to machine but in the case of comparing Inconel to Monel … the presence of cobalt in the Inconel makes it easier to machine because sometimes hard materials allow you to break a chip better… compared to Monel that basically replaces cobalt with copper which is more abrasive and gummy etc. Ceramics is a great choice. Have a great day, Titan

@paradiselost9946 7 ай бұрын

you got to machine stellite? ffs, i scour the flea markets for old shop tools, hunting that stuff down... the in between HSS and carbide tooling, unknown, overlooked, neglected... my goto for copper, can take the razor edge of HSS with the surface speeds of carbide... last time i tried to buy any all i could find was saw teeth, and the company no longer exists. then again, in australia, you cant get hold of anything much really... and if you can, triple the price then double that for shipping...

@tdg911 11 ай бұрын

Travis, I don't care what the rest say about you. You ok in my book brother. Love how you guys open the book on recipes and for that I am grateful. Much love and gratitude as always.

@travisjarrett2355 11 ай бұрын

😂 Thanks brother. Always appreciate the support!

@Sara-TOC 10 ай бұрын

I worked with Nitronic 60 machining components for surgical tooling. It was one of my favorite materials to machine. Once the tooling was dialed in, the parts ran smoothly with little interruption for further adjustment (in my experience). I had to maintain a tolerance of 0.0002 with it.

@jeremymatthies726 11 ай бұрын

Travis, great job on that part and explaining everything. You make a great teacher. I even learned something I never knew....that there are different types of stainless steel, then again I may not be involved in this field of work but it is still a great opportunity with this channel to learn something new.

@bindybargy 10 ай бұрын

Awesome work! Loved seeing the inspection process! Would be great to see more content about the quality control equipment you guys use. Just starting out on our CMM and I would love some videos about tips and best practices!

@jovaniduarte649 10 ай бұрын

I love seeing the detail you guys put into your videos. I’m starting to wish I had more machinists experience. All I have is my manual lathe at our family transmission auto shop. 🙂🇺🇸

@DavidKirchner 10 ай бұрын

Your level of Machining detail is awesome. The professional video production wins my Subscribe. I will have my sales team at 'High Performance Alloys' reference your KZbin channel when they are asked about machining Nitronic. Well done!

@travisjarrett2355 10 ай бұрын

Thanks David! We appreciate that.

@SwolePapi15 11 ай бұрын

Nitronic 60 is probably one of the most interesting materials I’ve machined. Pretty cool to be able to take a small pin of nitronic 60 and bend it repeatedly and it will not break, it will get so hot it smokes without breaking

@nilsEKH 11 ай бұрын

Amazing and beautiful Video! Besides getting to know Nitronic 60 as a material, which I haven't heard before, I really like the style of the Videos with checking the print, talking about we process it that way and the measuring by Hand, as well as on the CMM. Along with Travis expertise, the editing of the video is also on point... You're really doing a great job at Titans of CNC!

@travisjarrett2355 10 ай бұрын

Thanks brother! Really appreciate that.

@iggbertlbny2940 11 ай бұрын

I did n90 once. Very interesting material. Love the channel

@Hydrazine1000 11 ай бұрын

That would be NIMONIC 90, right? Because NITRONIC 90 doesn't exist. And yes, that age-hardenjng nickel-cobalt alloy isn't for the faint of hearts.

@robertlafnear7034 11 ай бұрын

You know Titan these Videos are like Hollywood Oscar Contenders............ they are just that good ! You sure get my attention in the mornings,... nice work !

@KurtQuad 10 ай бұрын

One of our refinery customers use Nitronic 60 all the time as a valve trim material. Now I understand some of the reasons it's so bloody expensive.

@punkdudex69 11 ай бұрын

Great quality video, nice work. The material composition description was really informative. Machinability of nitronic 60 does like to work harden, so pushing the feed and slowing rpms helps optimize tool life imo.

@lbz_dmax6.675 11 ай бұрын

Nitoronic 60 is definitely my favorite alloy to machine

@travisjarrett2355 11 ай бұрын

Me too. Always comes out looking great.

@ntsu6969 11 ай бұрын

nitronic 50 HS >

@damionparson247 10 ай бұрын

Anything stainless can be a headache to a machine, especially with suspect tooling. Thanks for sharing this video.

@jsh6952 10 ай бұрын

I worked in a job shop 35 years ago and we had some 16 foot diameter rings for a dam control valve in the shop of that alloy. It was nasty to work with back then, we didn't have inserts or solid carbide tooling to use. Plus that stuff work hardens like crazy.

@adamhayes2528 11 ай бұрын

Shop cop cutting some nitronic 60!! Love to see it and great job Travis 💯

@feedbackzaloop 11 ай бұрын

Sometimes an officer has to come back to the field to solve that cold steel case

@travisjarrett2355 11 ай бұрын

If we are going to enforce the law, we have to live the law!

@shaniegust1225 10 ай бұрын

Great video Travis. And kudos to the editors.

@ryancourtemanche750 10 ай бұрын

I do nitronic 60 often and for me step one is get my coolant concentration over 12

@vinnyrobinson3845 4 ай бұрын

Cannot stress enough the importance of speeds and feeds (spindle speed in particular). We were making an endnut out of nitronic 60 on a citizen m32 and the cutoff tool force caused so much vibration in the machine it damaged the guide bushing pulley. Only after that did we start setting torque limits (50%-75%) on certain toolpaths.

@weszab 11 ай бұрын

Great work on the cinema, Great team.

@russellofcnc 10 ай бұрын

That is one shiny piece of material! Travis is a surface finish Wizard!

@llljj9 11 ай бұрын

Great video. Very informative. Love the chuck on that lathe.

@KylieGranno 10 ай бұрын

Absolutely killer video, great stuff Travis!

@davidbritt4003 10 ай бұрын

That and inconel were two of my favorite to run on lathe. Rarely ran mild steel in 5 yrs at one job shop. Mori seiki live tooling.

@JohnRooney-lv2ix 11 ай бұрын

I designed a number of parts using Nitronic 60 due to higher yield strength for a non-magnetic austenitic material in the late 1970s and thru 80s. It has been used in oilfield MWD tools due to non-magnetic properties for many years.

@travisguilbeau8404 11 ай бұрын

I cut some strength hardened Nitronic 50 this past week. That’s crazy. It was definitely a challenge. Maybe I should’ve added that as my first thing on Cnc expert 🤔

@travisjarrett2355 11 ай бұрын

Do it!

@Nanan00 11 ай бұрын

Nitronic 60 is good stuff, we use it a ton in the O&G industry for bushings and even as bolting under the SA-193-B8S spec in places where galling has been a historical issue. Galling isn't a wear issue, it is a form of cold welding where to like materials basically decide to become a single item with nothing more than a little pressure. The 304 spec bolting such as SA-193-B8 is well known for this issue in the O&G industry, this bolting requires the use of nickel anti seize to prevent galling on installation as even hand tight snugging of these bolts can be enough if dry. That said, super tight tolerances are more a sign of inexperienced engineers than actual need.

@Ashnek34 11 ай бұрын

Great Video, love the style and details. Thanks a lot.

@travisjarrett2355 11 ай бұрын

Appreciate that my friend!

@theodoreshasta7846 11 ай бұрын

Superb work.

@cyclingbutterbean 10 ай бұрын

There has to be a clocking orientation between the small hole you drilled in the thread relief in OP#1 and the radial hole pattern you drilled in OP#2. How did you fixture that to maintain proper orientation? Inquiring minds want to know.

@julianweiser9985 11 ай бұрын

Your editing team really did a good job on this video, ngl.

@Dmayrion2 11 ай бұрын

The music is obnoxious, ngl.

@EZ_shop 11 ай бұрын

Great video, thanks.

@travisjarrett2355 11 ай бұрын

Thank you!

@isaacnorton6251 10 ай бұрын

hey out of curiosity what kind of tool life can you get running those speeds, I'm especially curious about the CNMG I worked in a shop for a little while and mostly ran N50 with CNMG walther WSM10 which lasted maybe 12 minutes if you were lucky, I wanna say the sfm was ~200 250 with .0125 IPR

@Silver_Nomad 10 ай бұрын

A little question... So, basically you don't need any preliminary center drills even for smallest vertical holes, if you are using carbide drills? Cuz at our workshop we are using HSS drills, and they require center drill for verical holes pretty bad, otherwise it just bends to the side.

@14rs2 11 ай бұрын

Saw you guys have partnered with SolidCAM recently. Will you guys be doing some training videos on SolidCAM?

@TITANSofCNC 11 ай бұрын

Yes, Solidcam had the best solution for Swiss. We tried all and made the decision. Discussing in Tuesdays video.

@14rs2 11 ай бұрын

@@TITANSofCNC looking forward to it!!

@edatp9a 11 ай бұрын

@TITANSofCNC if it doesn't cause problems for you and your relationships, it would be amazing to see the differences between Mastercam dynamic milling and SolidCAM dynamic milling performance-wise.

@14rs2 11 ай бұрын

@@edatp9a I would have thought that they would be only using the Swiss CAM side of the software instead of the Milling to avoid relationship issues? Would be nice to see a comparison though or just a pure teaching side with no comparisons of the whole software package. They did that with fusion.

@pugglez4798 4 ай бұрын

I am planning to buy some some Nitronic 60 from McMaster for gears. It’s in the annealed state with 85 HRB, would a HSS gear cutter work? Any help would be appreciated thanks. The material requirements are quite strict, other materials would not be an option.

@dimipadre 11 ай бұрын

Dude's so cool I would give him nice parts to produce 👍

@Graciashauf 9 ай бұрын

What cmm program you using? I'm stuck with pcdmis at my job 🙃

@savioer 10 ай бұрын

If worried about the burr from the drill, why not drill it after roughing out ? I know how painful those burrs can be in s316 and i'm mostly using hsse drills.

@glenndwyer5786 10 ай бұрын

I bet all you Titans have your own gym,?, Your all stacked

@WaitWhatCreator 2 ай бұрын

Literally 🔥

@Bighorse508 10 ай бұрын

Just curious. I seen red wax on the gage for the thread. I've always seen green for go. Red for no go. You guys do it differently? Part looks good tho. Beautiful finish

@travisjarrett2355 10 ай бұрын

It is usually green for go and red for no go but for some reason the go was red on this particular gauge. I found it odd too.

@662OutdoorAdventures 10 ай бұрын

I’ve made a few parts out of it. Cuts like butter!

@Orakwan 11 ай бұрын

It reminds me of something we call 1.4462 or even 904L here in Europe

@justinchamberlin4195 11 ай бұрын

Although the chemistry of the major Nitronic alloys and 904L (both of which we've poured at the foundry where I work) are quite different, the end result is the same...they are a challenge to machine.

@mikeb1520 10 ай бұрын

A company I worked for used what I was told was a proprietary grade of that duplex stainless and was called 1.4462-A2. I never machined it, but did have to retap holes in the field occasionally, that was difficult enough. The funny part, the scrap yard would only give the company mild steel scrap prices for those parts because they were magnetic, wouldn’t take their word it was stainless.

@justinchamberlin4195 10 ай бұрын

@@mikeb1520I feel bad for whomever was buying what they thought was A36 steel and ended up getting 2205 instead...that's why we test all of our incoming scrap metal, which is how we found and rejected four barrels of mixed 304 stainless and resulfurized 303 stainless.

@mikeb1520 10 ай бұрын

@@justinchamberlin4195 yes, that would be quite the surprise wouldn’t it!? This was 25-30 years ago, I don’t think they had the scanners back then to test it, but hopefully they are testing it now.

@vincentporleone3737 10 ай бұрын

Hey guys i have a question i want to start in this world of cnc machines what you guys recommend, trade school or find online classes if is online classes where you think is the best?

@Sara-TOC 10 ай бұрын

Great question! Check out TITANS of CNC Academy. It'll give you access to free CAD/CAM tutorials, machining tutorials, and other CNC fundamentals. academy.titansofcnc.com/

@vincentporleone3737 10 ай бұрын

@@Sara-TOC wao thanks alot

@linuxguy1199 10 ай бұрын

I like to machine aluminum because my lathe has 20thou of slop in the tool holder and usually if I try anything harder like brass or steel it goes horribly. For reference I use harbor freight carbide inserts and for my speeds and feeds I run them about whatever the motor can handle before stalling.

@LaserJake99 10 ай бұрын

Can you guys talk about what you do to fight rust. Tooling, fixturing etc etc. do you have chemical treatments, environmental control? It's a fight.

@bunnyrabbit4972 11 ай бұрын

I have a round billet of NI50 that I tried to cut with an M2 HSS bandsaw blade. In ten seconds the teeth on that blade were gone.

@GarlandTxMFG 11 ай бұрын

Great video… How about some MP35N condition NACE

@atomgonuclear 11 ай бұрын

I made the mistake of making large Gauge pins in 300 stainless and using them in a 300 series stainless part. Never again. I switched to 17-4 H900

@claudiugalea3038 7 ай бұрын

what chucks do you use on the puma and lynx?

@semperfidelis8386 10 ай бұрын

9:48 what? You skimmed the face, removed the part to gauge the length, then chucked it back up and faced it to length + - .001? How did that work? I mean, can you hold .001 when you remove the part and then chuck it back up?

@travisjarrett2355 10 ай бұрын

Yeah it worked well. If I was +/- a few tenths then I might have worked something to check in the machine but this setup that length perfectly.

@Tezza120 10 ай бұрын

Is breaking a chip difficult? is that a trade off for the high SFM? Looks great though, I do love how well stainless turns.

@russguppy8761 11 ай бұрын

You’re in the machine setting up inspecting with the eye protection sitting up top, but you bring them down after you close the door to start the op.

@edatp9a 11 ай бұрын

Wait, at 10 min, is the cameraman on top of the machine hanging the camera down inside the machine? That is a trick shot!

@travisjarrett2355 11 ай бұрын

Even cooler. My man Adam was in the machine balancing on that inclined surface. Gotta get the shot!

@adamhayes2528 11 ай бұрын

You got to get the shot 😂😎

@edatp9a 11 ай бұрын

@@adamhayes2528 Way to go! It's a great angle!

@lvxleather 10 ай бұрын

I machined a lot of that material 20 years ago.

@understrings1 21 күн бұрын

That run out outside will be visible in the merging of the two sides inside, but if it is inside the tolerance, it is inside the tolerance. ;)

@canyonrunner331 11 ай бұрын

Waiting for a Haynes 282 video! Love seeing the unique metals

@fasturn-fc2of 10 ай бұрын

Haynes 605L very bad 😢

@feedbackzaloop 11 ай бұрын

I'd honestly move datum A to the flange face, set not parallelism of opposite face but perpindicularity of thread axis and start machining from flange end as well, must result in single operation too. Also makes more sense from assembly point and eases contol too

@EricDraven-zd2oy 11 ай бұрын

What is the Rockwell C hardness of Nitronic 60?

@leonschumann2361 11 ай бұрын

cool video edit

@mattiasarvidsson8522 11 ай бұрын

whats the purpose of those slots in the thread gauge? first time I see a filthy machine on this channel btw.. 😄

@andrewerner6132 11 ай бұрын

just did nitronic 50

@CSGATI 4 ай бұрын

Experts? Everybody I know is still learning. and never stop. No such thing.

@limsthe9111 11 ай бұрын

Nitronic 60 was annealed or cold worked? How you were sure?

@mathieugillet 11 ай бұрын

2 questions for you guys. Would you be able to comment on the videos what the parts you are machining are for? And could you have a collab video with Kennametal to show how those inserted are made? Thanks in advance.

@GEORGEJROY3 11 ай бұрын

Just noticed you were using a red no-go gage on the part and had full engagement to the shoulder. Green represents go red is no-go so there are no mistakes here.

@Airtight215 11 ай бұрын

In my shop we expect our guys to be competent enough to be able to not only read the gauges but double check them. The wax is only there to know if the gauge has been adjusted and to protect the locking screw. We only use red wax for this purpose because of cost/availability, and we expect our guys to be actually reading the gauges. Besides outside of the grooved no go, you only se colored gauges on amazon and banggood. Those are all Chinesium trash and if you use them, well....

@ntsu6969 11 ай бұрын

nimonic 263, stellite 25 or ultimet next?

@paradiselost9946 7 ай бұрын

stainless has definitely progressed since that first test piece was thrown on a scrap heap and left out in the weather for a year or two, about 150 years ago...

@FFAF86 10 ай бұрын

use pie jaws on the sub, you could easily transfer that part to the sub.

@christophersampey9341 11 ай бұрын

What's with the barry chatter on the chamfers? Lol jk, seriously though, you chose to interpolate those moving the spindle and the turret together correct? Is that just how that material is? Or was ur cutter dull or speeds needed a tweak? Or am I blind and way off base. Here to learn, not just give u guff sir. Thank you kindly! I usually get that when hand chamfering 303 or 304 with a chamfer mill in a DeWalt drill.

@301speed 11 ай бұрын

What would be the cost of a part like that

@jakubhostinsky4482 11 ай бұрын

The intro is like top badass rap ever :-D

@semperfidelis8386 2 ай бұрын

Why use a chamfer tool so small you gotta rock it back and forth to chamfer the entire diameter? Use one big enough to just plunge in?

@Hydrazine1000 11 ай бұрын

AH! Good ol' ARMCO NITRONIC 60! Or UNS S21800. Amazing stuff, and I happen to know what makes it tick (lots of manganese and lots of silicon have something to do with it)

@justinchamberlin4195 11 ай бұрын

Yes indeed, the manganese, silicon, and nitrogen all have a huge role to play in the galling resistance of Nitronic alloys. The last foundry I worked for had a customer switch from an even more bizarre alloy (CY5SnBiM, also known as Waukesha Metal 88 or Illium 8, which is nickel-based with significant amounts of chromium, molybdenum, tin, and bismuth) to Nitronic 60 because the performance vs. price of Nitronic was actually better than what they could get from the Illium 8 we were providing.

@Hydrazine1000 11 ай бұрын

@@justinchamberlin4195 Waukeshaw 88 has a big problem right now in the food-contact equipment business, due to new EU regulations on stuff leeching out. The low melting bismuth/tin content in 88 is going to be problematic, so it makes sense from another perspective too. Magic word, for all metallurgists out there, is that NITRONIC 60 has a very low SFE, or stacking fault energy, which makes it really susceptible to cold work hardening. The rest of its properties follow from that. Galling resistance, wear resistance, cavitation erosion resistance, and so on.

@justinchamberlin4195 11 ай бұрын

@@Hydrazine1000Issues with difficulty of repairing casting defects in Illium 8 was the #1 reason the customer switched, but I'm willing to bet the changing EU regs on food-contact materials was up there as well. Both of these are reasons that there are two, perhaps three, companies in the world that make WM88/Illium 8 and it is an ever-shrinking part of their business.

@justinchamberlin4195 11 ай бұрын

@Hydrazine1000 11 ай бұрын

@@justinchamberlin4195Some more background info: nitrogen increases its strength, like it does for quite a few other stainless steel grades. Silicon increases its high temperature oxidation resistance. Manganese dramatically lowers its stacking fault energy, making it really susceptible to cold work hardening, helping its resistance to galling, fretting, wear and cavitation erosion. It really was an incredible development by ARMCO Baltimore, back in the sixties.

@CowsRus7 11 ай бұрын

it looked like the No-Go gauge to check the threads was the wrong gauge.

@Baard2000 11 ай бұрын

That 304 is a pain in the ........ Friend who made bolt and nut of 304 just tried to see or fit was " loose" enough as nut was welded onto some other part : DANG ...seized the 2th turn......took him afternoon with all kinds of lubes getting it out again......

@brandons9138 11 ай бұрын

Yes I've heard of Nitronic 60. I politely decline your invitation to machine it. Been there done that.

@tomrobert2813 10 ай бұрын

I don't get why you couldn't use a transfer and part off. If the equipment and set up are good and the program to pick up and transfer from the sub spindle are good go for it. Seem like wasted time for 2 ops without out a transfer for one op. That's my Thinking on capable programming. Chucking or dead length collets.

@ericsandberg3167 11 ай бұрын

I would give my eye teeth to work in a metrology lab that had that kind of equipment.

@privmylta 11 ай бұрын

i always have to google for the ISO marking just know what material your talking abt😂 (im from eu)

@Mattias-mc1rm 2 ай бұрын

it said autodoor on the top, but u still use the handle ;)

@daveyt4802 11 ай бұрын

Dang, lots of $$$ equipment there! Wonder what the part cost to make...

@traitretrudeau2367 11 ай бұрын

3:33 forgot to say that chips were terrible

@imabeapirate 10 ай бұрын

anyone compare this to 4140?

@ardennielsen3761 10 ай бұрын

so that stuff is cast in small batches inside of a plasma sphere that microwaves nitrogen atoms and used electro magnets to condense the plasma around the powdered material out of the chemistry flask? ... same as casting dirty rot iron 🤣😐😵‍💫 does it get a tungsten cladding in and out?

@ardennielsen3761 10 ай бұрын

off to be x-rayed

@ardennielsen3761 10 ай бұрын

the muffler on my car is 204 stainless, very thin and a pain to weld with 3/32 E7014... but that one time i slid into a curb over ice at 5mph "crunch"... i though the rim would have cracked... its a 5 ton boat anchor now. 309 doesn't need back purging to weld