Tithing - What's In A Word | Mormonism LIVE! 112

[@jdawg3677]

The church owns a hunting lodge and has service missionaries that run the lodge and also guides for hunting. They charge prime money to hunt in that land and to hire a guide. The church owns so much, hotels, businesses, ranches, etc… my jaw drop when I was watching the church news after conference. The church was reporting about the Philadelphia temple and how the church also owned an apartment skyscraper. The mesa temple also did that. During the temple renovation, the church bought all the businesses around the temple and demolished them all to build an apartment complex. Pay your tithing so the church can own more real estate.

[@TEAM__POSEID0N]

One can't help but wonder if one of the undisclosed perks that the "General Authorities" enjoy is access to and use of very nice facilities and properties owned by the church in various wonderful locations around the world, such as that hunting lodge, as well as properties in places like Hawaii, Tahiti and so on (you know, in addition to their generous "stipend", expense accounts, cars and drivers, housing support, free tuition for kids, etc.). Plus it wouldn't be much of a surprise if it turns out that they basically can have deluxe accommodations in Mrrtt hotels all around the world, in addition to having the use of Hntsmn corporate jets. One also wonders whether the extravagant Mormon temple complex in Rome includes some nice VIP facilities for visiting General Authorities. They like to pretend that becoming one of the top leaders of the LDS church was for them some kind of big sacrifice and act of selfless service to others...but anyone who has known the GAs personally knows that most of them have been aspiring to have those positions since they were very young.

[@kol2456]

​​@@TEAM__POSEID0N undoubtedly. If their grandkids get a full-ride at BYU, then I'm sure they get to hop over to the hunting lodge every season they want. Even if a missionary or church employee had the capacity to charge a GA for anything without feeling guilty.

[@ikaramba3954]

Amazing show! Two stories from my childhood: as kids we were given ¢30 a week for chores (which is fine) so that we could pay ¢3 to the bishop every Sunday. Probably because of that indoctrination, tithing was one of my last things I let go before leaving the church. Second: we grew up on a church farm that was somewhere around 3000 acres in what would become Saratoga springs utah. They are now selling it off to developers for near a million per acre. That’s just one more small source of income for God’s kingdom!

[@luliekarinacardon4955]

My husbands' parents were very poor but paid full tithing on their gross all their lives. To do that, they had to lead an extreme frugal life that they hardly bought anything extra. To pay tithing, they wore rugs and they produced everything by themselves. Kids were made to work since age five because their parents could not afford anything. Kids bought their own clothes, school supplies and all with their meager wages. It was not buying their toys. Yet their lives were so hard nothing seemed working out right. Whole family had major health problems and there was such a gloomy ambiance in the house all the time. They could not meet all the medical needs of the family because FI had to choose church over the family's needs. They were poor but my FI was extremely frugal to save money for fixing his house and rainy days. But his ward and stake made him give up the hard-earned surplus to build meeting houses and such that he could not save after all. My FI was bitter for the church making his life so much harder than it had to be. But out of fear, he kept paying full tithing on gross and stayed in the church. There is no such miracle as the GAs promise. Maybe it happened to them but not to everyone. It is a scheme.

[@awakening2979]

The LDS church leaders are so greedy and fail to recognize how average members are struggling making ends meet with inflation. How could they afford to pay tithing? my family was paying tithing and always felt so stressed with money being so tight. We were never able to fix up our home or go on a vacation because paying tithing was more important. How the church controls its members to make them believe all this sacrifice we made would bring us blessings. Now we learned the LDS church is hoarding all the money they collect instead of helping the needy! They want members’ money, but want its members to be self relient or seek his/her own family for help if needed. Seriously a horrible coporation.

[@jessedewell]

Yup, so greedy they have stopped using contract cleaning services for the buildings and have moved the responsibility of cleaning to the members to include my 73 year old mother. I am sure just her tithing alone would pay for the cleaning services but u can guarantee she will never question or challenge the church on the decision. Just faithfully fulfills her duties and this is what they count on. Don't ask questions or worry about why something is the way it is just accept that it is and do what we tell you... Its so sad to see how blind they manage to keep so many people....

[@johnrowley310]

@@jessedewell Firing all the janitors years ago is where they got a lot of this investment money...

[@williamcharles2117]

Great show tonight. Some of the comments in the Live Chat were truly heartbreaking. No wonder John Larsen drop so many F-bombs when talking about TSCC.

[@jared5449]

Love John Larson, he tells it like it really is.

[@joanteasdale2991]

I think that day is now for no one has to pay tithing because of the 32-24-34 billion that Ensign Peak and that they were fraudulently very recently so now is the time to quit paying tithing search does not need your tithing money night and vegetables Let the church pay for the missions not you why is that folks

[@dystoniaawarness3353]

Tithing. I couldn't attend one of my brother's weddings in the temple. I had a four-month-old and couldn't afford tithing So, I sat outside and cried until it was over. Then got tons of weird stares as I walked around with my mom when we went to mall. Heard when went to mall with my mother, she has a n word child. My mom went off on a few people but just bad experience and bad memories. Just a horrible experience in Utah. People should have happy memories about weddings not trauma.

[@amdobler]

We thank thee o God for a PROFIT!

[@johnrowley310]

To hide from the IRS in these latter days...

[@Zodiacalesotericmatrix]

110% on point! Best episode so far, and that's saying a lot.

[@iamjustsaying1]

You've presented things here that I'd never seen or heard before. Well done on the research and presentation!

[@littlebee5048]

I quit paying tithing a long time ago. Instead, I give it directly to the people who actually need it. That should be a legitimate option for people

[@offthehook4u]

We do that exact same thing and it brings so much satisfaction to be able to see and know just exactly where and how that donation is being utilized. We no longer help build fancy mallls and expensive rental units or sky scrapers like the new one in SLC (liberty sky I think it's called). I don’t personally know anyone who could afford the rent in that structure. It's downright sinful.

[@Kalama_Llama_King_Kong]

Bills original podcast on this is one of my top 5 podcasts everywhere. I feel there is no other message than this to share with my believing loved ones; get them to free up some of their income.

[@JulieSnowstudiojuliesnow3698]

I am glad you are going to start making TikToks/ KZbin shorts! This is one that I earmarked recently that I thought was pretty profound. Episode 18 about Lazy Learners. 1:27:50. Where you both talk about when you both felt it was okay to start deconstructing your faith. Thank you both for all that you do 🤌❤️

[@purpleslurple5149]

I vote for a Short revealing the liahona. Still one of my favorite episodes!

[@purpleslurple5149]

.... And one about the fiery plane ride of death maybe overlayed with the actual flight report.

[@camillespatz5081]

I have so many relatives that wouldn't dare not pay tithing so I am excited to watch this episode.

[@DancingQueenie]

Church employees are required to pay tithing. Imagine getting a job and they say “your salary is $100k but you have to give us back $10k.”

[@cptdebbie]

Thanks for another great episode. ❤

[@jonathangatto]

30:15 I was in the same spot at one time. Out of work because of injury from work waiting to get paid, And i got money from the IRS that month that was owed from the year before. How grateful i was! I also had issues paying my medical bills and paying tithing. The church paid my medical bills and gave me a food order. And i paid my tithing

[@johnrowley310]

The Mormon Jesus says let the children go cold and hungry but always pay tithing first.

[@yijumiller5659]

It will be nice to link all the resources especially the talk by the presidents of the church about tithing

[@belalima5779]

Great episode! I wonder if I'm the only one that wonders why churches still require tithing, since it's in the law of the old testement. Everyone is sure to point out that Jesus came to fulfill the law but they still pick and choose what's still good or not from the OT. This has always been puzzling to me. We don't need you to go kill an animal but please, give us 10% of your income.

[@RurouniTenShins]

“If you build them, they will come”… or “If you BILL them, they will come.”

[@ajadamsv9208]

1:25:29 The Prosperity Gospel is just think it into existence 😅 GREAT episode folks!

[@mrmemyselfandi9609]

@21:23 "I love that picture of him, What a smile! COME TO MY ARMS MY BEAMISH BOY!!" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😜 BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAaaaahahahahaaaaaa HOLY FRIGGIN CRAP I laughed so hard at that, I JUST ABOUT lost it completely!!🤣🤣🤣 RFM you are seriously the most talented, well word, and hilarious dude I've seen and heard in a long time. Thanks for sharing your talents and thoughts.

[@karencross3815]

2009 girls camp, a member of the YWP gave this Cannon story with her and her husband being the ones who paid tithing on what they wanted to make AND...they made it. Years later, 2018, I was giving my SS lesson and called on her to share that story of her and her husband paying more. She could not recall ever telling that story and had no idea to what I was referring. After hearing about Cannon,IMO, she copied it and put herself in Cannon's place and passed it off as her own. My opinion of her changed that day.

[@deeperthings]

So, if I follow the logic to the most reasonable conclusion, if I have a bad year during which I must spend some of my savings and end the year with substantially less than I started it with, so a net loss in income or negative interest, am I able to request a payment from the church for 10% of what I lost? Or can I at least start the next year's tally off with the final negative position of the previous year?

[@scottvance74]

At 55:30 you mis-interpret the deduction for farmers. They are not supposed to deduct the food used to feed their families.

[@greg-op2jh]

That's the problem in the first place. You can twist all this stuff to fit whatever you want. Thank you for catching that though if that's true.

[@eheath23]

It would take a little editing, but an overview of the Flight of Death as a Short would be great! It's difficult to recall specific 30sec - 2min continuous clips from all the episodes, but edited compilation overviews/highlights of episodes would make great Shorts!

[@troygardner6559]

Amazing episode! Truly shines light in this cults dirty pockets!

[@jared5449]

They can keep their priestcraft and their false prophets.

[@Jude1955]

In the Protestant church in which I was raised, we knew about tithing of course, as a Biblical precept. I remember being shocked that my Mormon cousins had to pay 10% of their babysitting income. In our church, the kids generally gave a few pennies while the parents gave what they could every week. When my parents had a good year, they gave $2500; usually they gave a lot less. No one kept track (except for charity/tax purposes); no one cared how much anyone else could give. As with many other aspects of religion, the church I was raised in got it right, avoiding this prescriptive nonsense. Yes, Mormonism, you are a cult.

[@jonathangatto]

The Bible indicates that God’s people followed the law of tithing anciently; through modern prophets, God restored this law once again to bless His children. To fulfill this commandment, Church members give one-tenth of their income to the Lord through His Church. These funds are used to build up the Church and further the work of the Lord throughout the world. One of the blessings of membership in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the privilege of paying tithing. This privilege is a double blessing. By paying tithing, Church members show their gratitude to God for their blessings and their resolve to trust in the Lord rather than in material things. They also help further the work of the Lord in the earth, blessing others of God’s children with the opportunity to learn of Him and grow in the gospel. Tithing has been known since Old Testament times. For example, it is recorded in Genesis 14:17-20 that Abraham paid tithes to Melchizedek. Through the prophet Malachi, the Lord declared: “Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the Lord of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it” (Malachi 3:10). Church members give their tithing donations to local leaders. These local leaders transmit tithing funds directly to the headquarters of the Church, where a council determines specific ways to use the sacred funds. This council is comprised of the First Presidency, the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, and the Presiding Bishopric. Acting according to revelation, they make decisions as they are directed by the Lord. (See Doctrine and Covenants 120:1.) Tithing funds are always used for the Lord’s purposes-to build and maintain temples and meetinghouses, to sustain missionary work, to educate Church members, and to carry on the work of the Lord throughout the world. As with members of many other faiths, Latter-day Saints believe that the payment of tithing shows gratitude to God and brings both spiritual and temporal blessings.

[@newhere2419]

'the god i believe in isn't short of cash mister'- Bono. Seriously i have family members on social security that can't afford to pay tithe anymore but feel bad. it's rediculous.

[@countkolob]

About 10 or so years ago, our bishop at the time yelled at a single mom in the ward because he found out she was "only" tithing on her net income.

[@patriciakuehn2866]

I was a single mother. I cannot imagine how stressed that Bishop made her feel😢

[@timhansen234]

How many of the kids raised in this "religion" heard the parable of building a house on a solid foundation vs on sand?? When the very foundation is based on lies, what then can any and all future doctrine be considered??

[@shannonfisher6872]

This is of course how the RLDS. ( community of Christ) has always seen tithing….10% of your increase….after your needs are paid for

[@grandmaroxie2210]

In Idaho, I did in home care and received a stipend for that. I did not pay taxes on any of it. It was not considered income? However, my bishop expected me to pay tithing?

[@natenelson9102]

As I learn more and more how many doctrines have changed dramatically, it becomes harder and harder to accept using scripture to justify current practice. If so much has changed in the last 200 years in the order it heaven, what good, if any, are scripture, that claim to be thousands of years old?

[@natenelson9102]

Even if the scriptures are historical, it's the height of presentism to assume they're practicing doctrine in any way resembling modern day teachings

[@TEAM__POSEID0N]

I've found that the more I learn about the scriptures themselves (OT and NT), that they're just as dubious, incoherent, inconsistent, tampered with, forged, manipulated and subject to interpretation, re-interpretation and misinterpretation...as all of the Mormon doctrines and scriptures. They just benefit from the patina of ancientness that makes them appear to have more gravitas than is deserved (plus they have the benefit of having been officially endorsed and promoted by governments, principalities and empires for many centuries). There's a reason why most modern Christians tend to actually focus, quote and frame passages that account for probably less than 5% of the total content (with most of the favorite quotes being taken out of context). When's the last time any devout Christian did a needle-work rendition of "Go up thou bald head, go up thou bald head!" (2 Kings 2:23), framed it and hanged it on the wall of their living room?

[@jeffsaxton716]

I really wouldn't mind getting a six figure "stipend" and generous perks.

[@charityendureth]

If you look in chapters before Abram gives to Melchizedek... the Lord gave him land that was to always be his... never to be tithed... also the word tithe was also used loosely as 'a portion'... not strictly a dime on every dollar..

[@DirtmopAZ]

Someone needs to comb through all the Mormonism Live! episodes and snip every time Bill says “Deeply” and compile it together for a short. Might be too long though.

[@MonasticSolace]

I was watching episode 22 from a year ago and you ended with this phrase "Mormonism Live! Better than touching your own little factory." LOLOLOL. I see what you did there!!! I wonder how many other people picked up on that!!

[@matthewakian2]

That's a great black panther T-Shirt, Radio Free.

[@pamelatd]

Love the Bela Lugosi reference. 🦇

[@t.o.g.sakafay2868]

Isn't that what Christian TV Evangelists say & do - Sow money seed on what you sow you will reap 10, 50, 100, times back! could this be what Sister Wendy Nelson is saying?

[@MrMightyZ]

I’ll tithe $100 if you guys will let me look in the magic hat?

[@makesen]

An interesting aspect of the whole process of talks on tithing is that the LDS doctrine conforms ever more closely to the Prosperity Gospel as taught by televangelists. In fact, it would be humorous to interlace video clips of Wendy and other LDS proponents with those flamboyant preachers needing money for a second jet. Or pleading for followers to plant a “seed” and watch God reward them abundantly. It strikes to a common religious person’s psyche in the latent desire to perform above the mark,…. To out-Mormon other Mormons. While attending church with in-laws in Seattle (while on vacation and hiding my non-belief), I endured one gospel doctrine lesson with various members trying to out do each other to extreme propositions beyond scripture, finally had it, got up in the middle of the lesson, walked plainly to the front of the room and right out the door. I don’t think Mormons can help themselves being part of an organization that promotes those that pay the most as a premise for leadership. Glad I no longer attend and have to face the hyper pious anymore. (There are truly humble people, too, and I enjoy their attitude).

[@joshharrison1160]

in minute 40 you seem unable to find the "gross" amount on the pay stub. It's right there on the bottom right ($3096). So in theory we'd see a deduction of $309.60 for tithing.

[@mindfullystoic]

Hey Bill! Great content as always. Random question. What webcams or cameras do you use for Mormonism live? I'm thinking of doing interviews for my own channel and I like your video quality. Thanks.

[@Jesussaidhewillreturn]

If I lose income in year due to stock market, do I get an income tithe back?

[@SouthernIdaho]

The churches version of the "Law of Tithing" PPO= Pray, Pay Obey...

[@meh1075]

Also, in my interpretation of D&C 119:4 when it says “those who have thus been tithed” is talking about those who gave all their surplus to the church. Step one was give all their surplus. Step two was, those who paid their surplus initially were then commanded to pay one tenth of their interest from then on, forever. Verse 5 could mean anyone else who joined the church after that (“…gathered unto the land of Zion…”)would just have to pay tithing on their surplus property (could that include money, too?does this verse refer to you and I today?) Seems a little unfair to the last group but the members listened and obeyed their “prophet.” They were already invested. JS was possibly thinking about how to get the most money in the end. Possibly thinking that converts probably wouldn’t want to join the church if they had to pay all their surplus property/money upfront. But JS new he could wriggle much more property/money out of his believers. That’s how I interpret those verses.

[@joanteasdale2991]

So they want tithing on Gross not net they want the most they can get from you is that right?

[@Jesussaidhewillreturn]

So if I live on savings and have no income, any tithe?

[@blarsen8]

They are obsessed with money.

[@johnrowley310]

Always been their first priority...

[@KSASTAMPS]

I think you may be misreading the passage about farmers in the 1963 handbook: note it says the farmer should not include produce his own family consumes as an EXPENSE (which would lower his income if he did). Thus, if a farmer did not EXPENSE withdrawals for his family, this would have the effect of increasing his income and hence his payment of tithing. I'm wondering if this is an error in the printing of the handbook, and they intended to say that farmers should not include as INCOME, produce his own family consumed. It would be strange I think to expense out something the family produced and consumed themselves.

[@TEAM__POSEID0N]

Yes. It looks like they didn't want farmers to assign a value to the produce they consumed themselves as a business expense that could be deducted from their farm business income. If the farmers were allowed to set that off as an expense against their total income, they would have a LOWER tithing bill as a result. The church said no, no, no... I may have to read it again. But my initial reading agrees with what you are saying.

[@jeffsaxton716]

My TBM wife got a job as BYU "event staff". It requires "ecclesiastical approval". Apparently having an apostate husband isn't a disqualifier.... I agreed to her paying tithing on half of our Social security.

[@JeffreySBurns]

Does the fair market value of service count towards tithing?

[@jdawg3677]

Polynesia cultural center makes hundreds of millions of dollars. Everything is Disneyland prices. When I was a TBM I went there and there in a store was a sweet elderly couple with name tags on working the store. Even being tbm I thought that was crappy to be called on a mission to work a gift shop and make money for the church. The church also does this with deseret industries and has the majority of the workforce service missionaries that receive no pay and on top of that, the missionaries pay their way. The PCC charges $250 per person with entry ticket and buffet. PCC has over a million visitors a year and at one time the church was going to lose tax exemption because they were making so much money from the PCC in the 80’s. It is great that the youth get and education but PCC makes so much money what the church pays for their board and education is a drop in the bucket. You should do an episode about the PCC.

[@goldenrosetuxedo]

I went there as a child for a Girl Scout trip and I loved it. Having just found out that they're owned/operated by the Mormon church, myself, I can guarantee that had my parents known that facy almost 30 years ago, I never would have been allowed to go and support them financially.

[@jdawg3677]

@@goldenrosetuxedo I loved it when I went and I would love to go back. It is really a great experience with the presenters and exhibits. The church owns so much in hawaii and they just bought a 100 million dollar Marriott hotel. The church needs to be honest how much they own and be transparent. Faithful members look at it as blessings for being a rich church but when you start to add up how much the church has in the piggy bank and how little they give, that Christ would not approve.

[@scottvance74]

You should have noted that the original Bishop's handbook (1899) the vast majority of the content was on the subject of tithing. That seems to have been the primary reason for releasing the handbook in the first place.

[@DRAMericA1]

@1:07 The question you pose is directly related to the question of direct taxation on citizens. It was all a game of semantics

[@DRAMericA1]

RFM you've got that tight. It floors me that Mormons know so little about the Catholic church. And even less about judaism

[@bevansp1]

Unpopular opinion I am sure, but @1:13:09 ish, the story from the redditor about seeing the tithing donated, didn't sit well with me. Call me naive, but in a ward where "no one was rich", could it actually generate that amount of revenue for the stake? Am I mistaken in the poster's message? Was it really a report from the Stake level? Seems not to be. Anyway, the details didn't seem believable to me. With a median weekly wage of $1,085, that's $434 in tithing a month or $5,208 a year. To reach $2.5M for the year the ward would have to be 480 active, average wage earners. Maybe up here in Canada we just don't have the population they might have in the states, but.... am I crazy? Anybody, please! I don't mean to call anyone a liar, just applyiong the same kind of scrutiny I do to things the church wants me to swallow whole.

[@bookermoron2409]

Ancient Israelites sacrificed their lambs. The Mormon Church fleeces its sheep. Baaaaa Baaaaa.

[@DancingQueenie]

If you’re in a poker game and you don’t know who the sucker is, it’s you.

[@joanteasdale2991]

If you earn interest on your savings yes it is

[@dallasscanlon3587]

As far as I'm aware the levites were given a portion of a one off tithe from the people as they didn't have any land given to them? They were the high priests. Not sure where they get that from its a given in todays world. The people would look after them. Prosperity church if ever i saw one.

[@Jesussaidhewillreturn]

Is a withdrawal from a Roth IRA subject to tithing?

[@joanteasdale2991]

Will guess who owns the Deseret News or at least did on the Deseret News Ronnie Singh

[@timhansen234]

What about a dividend???

[@MsCaterific]

💚

[@senorbb2150]

Did George Q. Cannon continue to pay 20% tithing year after year, and then did his income increase 100% every year? Man, that guy must have been loaded by the time he died.

[@MormonDiscussion]

Don’t use critical thinking and ask a rational line of thinking.

[@pianomanchristopher]

As if all blessings come from paying tithing.. Hm, so anything good that happens to a member following the payment of tithes, is a "blessing" and is a direct result of paying tithing, right, Bednar? Now how do you explain good things happening after refusing to pay tithing? Not confirmation bias?

[@joanteasdale2991]

Greedy is the only thing I can say

[@raquelbelnap7252]

BY Changed the way we pay tithing, less than. A mo th after JS died. He would actually take people's property, who didn't pay. Theu also voted to exempt themselves, the 1w that is, from paying.

[@grahamsmith7600]

I have a solution for the Church's tithing dilemma. The Church could pay its members to clean the chapels that the members now clean for free. The Church could pay just over 1/10th of the member's income (actually 1/9th, which follows from some algebra). Then the members could use that income to pay their tithing, including the tithing on the income they get from cleaning. That way the members would keep the scriptural law of tithing and get the alleged blessings from tithing, because they are still paying tithing, but the Church would not be harming its members or collecting or stockpiling money that Eldar Bednar admits that the Church does not need. And, though the Church is now paying its members for cleaning the Chapel, the Church is still getting its Chapels cleaned for free since all the money paid goes back to the Church.

[@Jesussaidhewillreturn]

10% tithe and then give to other charities?

[@jonathangatto]

26:14 That is why the church has a welfare fund now. So you can still pay your tithing and be taken care of if you can't pay your bills. They did not have such program back then

[@jonathangatto]

@KMJ-yi2lf the church helps. The bishop has done for me. It was either the tithing or the medical bills. Church paid the 500 and gave us food. And we paid the tithing

[@jonathangatto]

@KMJ-yi2lf The church helps it's membership!

[@kennethd.9436]

Tithing is exploiting, and the Mormon church has turned it up to 11. There’s a popular video on prosperity gospel, and the Mormon church was included in a compilation with other prosperity preachers. Same scam.

[@kol2456]

The church operates by leaping between loopholes. No wonder BYU students have their own version of the poop-hole loop-hole.

[@jonathangatto]

23:08 Back then people made money on interest. So of course if you made 60 dollars that year you would pay tithing on that 60 dollars not the 1000 you invested.

[@joanteasdale2991]

Integrity my butt

[@natenelson9102]

Tithing seems to rely on the idea of capitalism. Is that how heaven works too?

[@KendraAndTheLaw]

No it doesn't

[@richardm6208]

Ayn Rand defines capitalism as “a social system based on the recognition of individual rights, including property rights, in which all property is privately owned.” Tithing definitely does not rely on the idea of capitalism.

[@janetmarugg9424]

This is socialism. Lol

[@davesharp13]

I agree with most statements on surplus, however I don’t appreciate the sarcasm and belittling of church leaders and their personal experiences with tithing. And when it comes to “what a family is” in the family a proclamation to the world, how can you dispute that? Sodom and Gomorrah? Catastrophe happened

[@jonathangatto]

23:29 Tithing is a small percentage of what we make. If you make 70k a year and you give 7k. You still have 63k leftover. The money is not mine anyway, It is the Lord's money

[@yeshalloween]

You’re entirely, ENTIRELY missing the point.

[@jonathangatto]

@@yeshalloween no you are

[@montyjackson8156]

Do you really think YAWH needs your money if he does he is not a Supreme Being.

[@jonathangatto]

@@montyjackson8156 it's not about the money but our sacrifice.

[@jonathangatto]

@KMJ-yi2lf false. This Melchizedek was king of Salem and priest of God Most High. He met Abraham returning from the defeat of the kings and blessed him, and Abraham gave him a tenth of everything. First, the name Melchizedek means “king of righteousness”; then also, “king of Salem” means “king of peace.” Without father or mother, without genealogy, without beginning of days or end of life, resembling the Son of God, he remains a priest forever. (Hebrews 7:1-3) Jesus didn't come to destroy the old law but fufill it

[@capitulofernandez8991]

members are not forced to pay tithing they are only invited to pay....if they want their lives and family tbe blessed by the God it's up to them

[@pippaarmitage9525]

They are forced if they want to participate in any temple patronage…. What to go to your child’s wedding… you have to pay your tithing, you want to be sealed as a family…. You’ll have to pay for that…. Want to save the poor unfortunate souls… that’ll cost you… money. I guess Satan really was right… you can buy anything with money…

[@johnrowley310]

Get a grip. No tithing no temple. My mother did not get to come to my wedding. The pressure to pay is off the charts...

[@kathyflinn8070]

AGAIN.....The Church of Jesus Christ is a living church...As times change, The Lord decides what is what!.

[@Zelph_undying]

He did, he said "a standing law, forever." Not, "a standing law until I have a better idea." Either you trust the words of God or you don't. Right here it seems you don't.

[@makesen]

So, given the many reversals and retractions that can clearly be tracked, does this mean that God is capricious? Incapable? Or just a lunatic that cannot foresee the unadvisedly poor and contradictory directions that he gives to church leaders? If the leaders do only what God tells them, what does this tell us about the rule maker?

[@TEAM__POSEID0N]

The only problem with that is that "The Lord" actually hasn't said ANYTHING or decided ANYTHING. What you have is a bunch of guys in suits who tell you what they THINK "The Lord" wants and, according to them, "The Lord" wants you to keep giving more and more money to the corporation...that that same bunch of guys in suits manage as they see fit (while constantly telling you that they are acting as agents of "The Lord"). There actually is no "The Lord" who has ever appeared to the members and said anything. Supposedly, "The Lord" is a resurrected being who is omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent and has all of the superpowers associated with those attributes. What makes you think that he can't just pop in anytime he wants and appear in every chapel and tell everyone directly, plainly and clearly what he wants? Why would he always have to work through a bunch of guys in suits working in an office building in SLC, whose "communications" with him consist of (at best) vague feelings and "promptings" about what maybe God maybe wants them to do...maybe.

[@johnrowley310]

@@Zelph_undying The Mormon man god changes laws all the time. Just ask a black man...

[@kathyflinn8070]

Where is your faith? Have you sincerely ask God to show you, without a shadow of doubt, the truth? I have ask to be shown the truth, and I was...... So can you!

[@kathyflinn8070]

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is a living church....as times change, the Lord decides what is what in His church! You have slid off the slippery slope!

[@MormonDiscussion]

A standing law forever

[@TEAM__POSEID0N]

I think you mean some guys in suits working out of posh offices in a big office building in SLC...who pretend that they are speaking on behalf of "the Lord". It's those guys who decide "what is what" in their church, and then they blame "the Lord" for all the confusion they create.

[@Zodiacalesotericmatrix]

Latter Day Saints? Are you a member of the Strangite sect? Don't you mean Latter-day Saints? The Brighamite sect?

[@kathyflinn8070]

Paying tithing does not mean you will not have trials! Lord is trying to build our faith and testimony.

[@johnrowley310]

By charging us a participation fee???

[@kathyflinn8070]

Tithing is a way out of poverty...this is a promise from the Lord!

[@TEAM__POSEID0N]

Which Lord?

[@Zodiacalesotericmatrix]

Tithing on surplus or gross income?

[@michaellines2063]

This is why Utah ranks in the top 5 states with the highest bankruptcy rate. The LORD is blessing his followers with the trial of bankruptcy to test their faith. Or maybe, just maybe, the church isn't true.

[@marcellus71c.89]

Really bad show. I see nothing here but hate for the LDS church.

[@kadehogg]

But you still watched it…🙄

[@michealcobia7869]

Elaborate

[@markkrispin6944]

That means it is a great show..duh!

[@radiofreemormon5140]

You need to watch more closely.

[@purpleslurple5149]

This was an episode I would feel very comfortable sending to my very active family members. I think they'd find it historical and informative