Titleist AP1 TaylorMade RSi1 Irons

[@rockygraziano5215]

I use RSi1 and I love them. I’ve tried a number of different sets and I keep going back to these

[@treycroney7884]

It should be noted that the launch angle for each club is nearly identical, with the RSI even launching a bit higher with a peak height that is also higher. Even if the loft is stronger it is launching like a 6 iron, which is why the loft is lower. With a loft of 29* for the RSI, the ball would launch too high and not achieve optimal performance. The strong loft is not a marketing ploy or a cheat for extra distance, but rather a necessary component for the RSI perform its best. This is why the RSI is a better performing club with more advanced technology than the AP1.

[@patrickhoward4080]

Trey Croney

[@integrito3323]

3:57 That is a beautiful swing, Mark! Wonderful shoulder turn, Right hip back and behind in the takeaway and backswing! Left hip slightest of bumps and then back behind and out of the way in the downswing! Driving the trail elbow, right side bend, followed by arms, hands down, bowed and in for a shallow in to out attack on the ball! A little ulnar to ensure nice impact, lead elbow in and up to a beautiful finish! Two thumbs up! You should consider coaching this game ;-) Liked!

[@chrisi1920]

Thanks for the AP1 review. I'm guessing my AP2's would be about the same, no reason to rush out and try TM's at this point. Like others have said , once you know your distances the numbers stamped on the clubs are irrelevant. Nice to have the data to see that.

[@9tube1]

I agree with 3rdgroove. I want my irons to reliably go the same distance on a consistent basis. I don't care if I am hitting my 7-iron 150 yards on a Par 3 and another player is hitting an 8, 9 or even a PW to the same green. I want to know what distance I can reliably hit each iron in my bag. I am about to buy Game Golf like you use Mark, to better determine the real "playing conditions" distances I am achieving, as opposed to the distances I can generate using a swing monitor like Trackman at the range. That data should also reveal whether I am capable of hitting each club the same distance toward the end of a round as I do at the beginning. Those little details can be a huge differential in my scoring ability.

[@NZSmall]

The taylormades might have stonger lofts but it actually produces better launch angles and peak height. Why should stronger lofts matter then.

[@dude600031]

One of the biggest things I noticed is that even the the RSI's had a stronger loft, they still launched at relatively the same angle, and spun less, I don't necessarily agree with everything Taylormade does, but if I can get better spin numbers, higher launch, and better distance, I would at least try them out. If we truly believe that all clubs are relatively the same, why do we knock Taylormade as if they are producing some low quality product just because they release clubs annually rather than bi-annually?

[@TomCooke1512]

3rdgroove I agree, however give someone with a slow swing speed my current 5 iron and they may struggle to launch it like this and achieve a good peak height, they may even struggle to launch my current 6 iron like this. Regardless of the number on the bottom, if these two clubs had identical lofts, the TaylorMade would launch much higher and peak higher, which is good for slower speed players.

[@brendos444]

Release clubs annually? TM release the RSi irons less than 6 months after releasing the SLDR irons!!! launch angle on the RSi irons are higher because there is more chunkiness at the bottom of the club. 3 degrees of loft is the biggest single factor in explaining the distance differential between these clubs.

[@LaLa-ll1qt]

Andrew Berg h

[@brendos444]

Taylormade's new advertising tagline: "Rigging the lofts for more distance!" lol.

[@SasquatchTour]

Mark, you are missing the big picture with the irons. You are far to focused on loft for comparable distances when you should be looking at trajectory in conjunction with loft to accurately determine why a certain iron might go farther. Your theory on the RSI going further because it's 3 degrees stronger loft only works if the trajectory is also lower making the 6 iron a 5 but you hit the RSI 2 yards higher which means you actually need less loft on the RSI to get the same trajectory with both irons making the RSI even longer than the AP1. You spun the RSI 1000rpm less and launched it higher than the AP1. Looking at the data Taylormade has done to the irons what they did with the SLDR driver but instead of lofting up to achieve proper launch with the irons they lofted down to achieve proper trajectory to offset the low vertical center of gravity. They achieved a higher launch with less spin and got more distance.

[@niblick8]

Another honest great club review

[@Sam-gt7lh]

@MarkCrossfield good video mark what are the white dots on the face

[@luvs2race370]

+Sammy They are there so his tracking devise can read what the ball is doing off the face of the club.

[@andyphillips4759]

Hi Mark, usually like and agree with your videos but this one is below par. Firstly I'm not sure Titleist would agree their AP1 looks almost identical to the RSI1.. the offset is noticably different and the soles are chunk-ier on the TM. Secondly I have to agree with some of the comments below. The length difference you highlighted was just .1 of an inch longer so negligable. Also you haven't credited the launch angle is higher and peak height more on the TM. They have had to reduce the loft due to the high launching characteristics of the club. They at least launch like a typical 6 iron, even if the loft doesn't quiet comply. Credit where credit is due - TM take a lot of flak, but on this occasion I think they've done a cracking job and not got the rewards for it. Ironically, your review has kinda highlighted it!

[@brendos444]

So your saying that the 3 degree stronger loft has nothing to do with added distance just because launch angle is higher for the TM? hmmm yeah right. Strong lofts matter for distance. Period.

[@andyphillips4759]

Er, no.. at no point did I say that.. did you actually read the comment and watch this video??

[@brendos444]

No but you insinuated as much by stating that you agreed with comments along those lines. Launch angle can be affect by chunkiness behind the ball. This is what TM is doing with RSi 1. Distance is gained by stronger lofts. The tech is dubious here. I'm glad the new line of Ben Hogan irons has called out the BS from manufacturers like TM. What TM have done is essentially takes loads of loft off the shorter irons to increase distance. Hence there are now massive gaps between P and your sand wedges. Now their scoring irons having gapping issues. How does that help lower scores. It's is simply BS.

[@MrJdk720]

Why can't you just say the RSI is a better club it was launching at the same height yet going further. Even if the lofts are lower it still manages to reach the same max height and launch angle.

[@TomCooke1512]

I don't like these 'false' lofts and lengths either but it must be said that although the TaylorMade is 2.5deg stronger it is launching slightly higher, peaking higher and landing at the same angle, all with 1000rpm less spin resulting in more distance. Ball speed was also up, probably more than just 0.13in extra shaft would cause.

[@michaeldietzen8613]

Are the rsi 1s comparable to the ping g 410s?

[@GENODELMAROATL]

can you do rsi 2 vs ap1 Mark Crossfield or do the same test here but hit some of the toe and heel

[@kellycatarina0]

MARK CAN YOU PLS DO A SLDR vs COVERT 2.0 DRIVER MIGHT TRADE MY SLDR FOR THE COVERT 2.0

[@hoosierfan1235]

Disappointed there hasn't been a review of the Alpha 815's

[@anonymous70909]

Yep, you kind of blew this review, the rsi is about distance and miss hits. Miss hit them, then compare.

[@timib2000]

I don't get it. Why don't you compare an e.g. 26° loftet club to another 26°? Then we could see which one goes further and don't have to guess any more.

[@cren1676]

From about 5:50 on he basically gives his reasoning to why he does it the way he does.

[@jeffmoravick741]

Are you stupid? Did you not watch the entire video?

[@burtonsb145]

it should be against consumer law - for all companies to quote the loft on irons - like they o on drivers. no need for numbers on clubs anymore now technology means most average golfers understand and know about lofts. - Although there is research out there to show that they tell fibs about stated Driver lofts too - Google search will show you this

[@leogoku13]

The ending lol

[@liamf2706]

I like most of your club reviews Mark, they do not give the impression you are trying to sell the club. Rick Shields on the other hand obviously works for a golf shop, his reviews are not as honest as yours and he just comes across as a salesman. In fact i only watch his reviews to wind my self up

[@burtonsb145]

hahaha touché my good man - im with you there - but I also think most "reviews" are a little pointless - all clubs are right on limit or the regs - so just pick the one that looks prettiest hahaha

[@liamf2706]

burtonsb145 I would not say the reviews are pointless. If you are actively looking to change a set of clubs or club. What is pointless is buying the latest club, you will be overpaying for your equipment. When i buy clubs i normally buy 2 or 3 years old clubs, often second hand. For a fraction of the new club price. And as Mark says in this Vid, the club has little relevance on your game, it's how u put the club on the ball that counts. I agree i will pick the equipment i like the most, based on price-feel-brand-look

[@vicibox]

really what i am looking for in a review is how good the club seems to the reviewer - is it well made and does it compare well with the competition, has it a good shaft and grip and is it well made, does it feel solid, how forgiving is it - we dont really get that from other reviewers we are told its 10 yards longer and little else - i really dont care if its longer I want to know if its a good club - i will pick the club i like the most and the numbers are of less importance to me - they are all pretty similar

[@T.C.S123]

hes a millonaire now..must have sold alot of clubs

[@AyoPro]

you should get a robot mark lol

[@vicibox]

he did, its called Sophie, you just put the ball on teh tee and it always hits the fairway and green ;-)

[@tstevens90]

Hating on TM for changing the club loft is ridiculous, it doesn't matter how they change the angle, the number of the club refers to where that particular club fits within the set, that is all I need to know; I don't care if manufacturers do it differently from one another, it is all part of the search for new ideas and longer distance. Some have whined for "regulating loft per the club"... Really? (Eye rolling) If you are going to complain about TM trying new ideas, you better be swinging hickory sticks.

[@johnnymac2201]

+tstevens90 I just hate the marketing talk of "our clubs, with their new technology, are longer". All that they've done, literally, is just take a 5 iron. make it a little less lower spinning so you're hitting almost a flyer, and put the number 7 on the bottom.

[@ianbainbridge5095]

If u wait 6 months the Taylormade will be half price where titleist will still be dear. The specs that manufacturers are allowed to use by r+a are at their limits, you can have any set of gi irons from the last 5 years and they will all perform the same.

[@vicibox]

You really cant blame the manufacturers for this, they can do it so they will - personally i hate it and wouldnt buy souped up irons - the question I would ask is why, given that the PGA controls just about every aspect of a club specification, dont they control lofts - surely the most fundamental fact about a club is its loft so why are they allowed to change these if they arent even allowed different slots - it kind of makes a laughing stock of the rules I think ;-)

[@veteranpatriot4474]

I don't know, The AP1 sounded more Crisp where the TM had a more powerful sound, Personally I prefer the Crispness of the AP1.

[@BrianFordKY]

#fumsup

[@burtonsb145]

1:16 - not much difference in sole? The Titleist still classic look lush.....That RSI looks fatter than the bird I took home last week!!!! and the numbers on the clubs look like there right on the toe? IMO Titleist FTW

[@burtonsb145]

They should have to put the degree on the club like drivers do.....its very naughty of them to sell it like its a longer hitting club when in reality it just a stronger lofted club.......this should be regulated as this should be against consumer law surely? - as far as I can tell unless you go in search of the lofts it wouldn't show it on the club - barcode or swing ticket in store or whatever......naughty naughty Taylor Made - you can call it marketing genius but its just pure miss selling - there is not even a need for irons to be numbered in todays day and age...the should just show lofts!!!

[@vicibox]

I agree, unless teh lofts are controlled the numbers mean nothing, irons should be numbered with their lofts.

[@ABCOLOGY]

As TM always says, the lower lofts are there to match the common launch numbers of 6 Iron, which are clear in this video despite the fact that it is not being mention. Peak height, launch angle and descend angle of the 2 irons similar, with difference of 1000rpm, total distance will be more than just 1 club difference.

[@electronicsfan21]

Why naughty Taylormade? Every club company does this. I really think the clubs do go longer regardless of the loft. They have to strengthen the lofts to keep the ball flight down. Titleist even did this with the AP2's this year. They would launch too high if they didn't.

[@johnnymac2201]

+burtonsb145 That would only work if they put the correct degrees on there. Drivers are notoriously mislabeled, because they want you to hit it good on Demo Day, but no that your not going to buy a 12 or 13 deg. driver. So they make a 12 or 13 deg. driver, and stamp a 9 or 10 on there.