TJLC Explained: [Episode 28] Adapting the Stories (it's been gay since the start)

[@addangel]

Every time I rewatch the greenhouse scene I remember the interview when Moffat said it wasn't possible to include a discussion about the characters' sexuality in the show, because that topic just wouldn't come up naturally. And then they went and made a whole episode where the action takes place in Sherlock's imagination, just so that they could have an excuse for that discussion. You gotta love Mofftiss. :)

[@incrediblyingenious1450]

Sometimes I read the cannon and I'm like "I thought it couldn't get more gay but oh me on my"

[@Saphia_]

Me with canon after 'Watson, I owe you a thousand apologies' part.

[@GLAASJEMELC]

Dear Rebekah and TJLCers, I want to thank you all for introducing me to the beautiful love story that is BBC Sherlock. I won't be addressing the fourth season, because this should be a place for kindness. But you have tought me so much about good writing and the importance of LGBT representation, through your passion and caring for the show and its characters. I will never stop believing and am very grateful for being part of the TJLC community, even if it was only for the past two months.

[@Alan-is3jk]

36:57 Look at Sherlock's face when he's about to reveal Mary's true identity. He looks so sad and compassionate because he knows it is going to break John's heart.... 3:

[@malvika6432]

Hey! I don't know if this has been pointed out, ever, before, but I remember reading a quote somewhere in which ACD says that if in a 100 years he is only known as the author of Sherlock Holmes, he will be very disappointed, or some such other negative emotion. This video got me thinking, specifically the unreliable narrator bit in the beginning, about what if he meant that he'd be disappointed if no one identified his pioneering (?) work in inserting all the homosexual subtext he did in his stories, and only ended up thinking of him as merely the author of yet another series of "normal" story telling. Maybe, he too, like John Watson, had to conceal details, and this statement was just his way of saying that he hoped that there would indeed be a time in the future that his works could be seen for what they really were, and not considered to be just a story to be taken at face value. I hope you see this. I know it's a random comment on a video posted long ago but I couldn't message you on tumblr like i did once before. So...yeah...I know it has been ages since this video was released, but I'm only now making my way through your series, which, may i just say, is BRILLIANT. Thank you for doing it with the level of attention to detail and dedication that you do and for making it so pleasant for believers by organising and researching the facts so damn well and simultaneously making it hopefully eye-opening and damn near impossible to NOT believe for non-believers. I hope that last sentence with the multiple negatives and ridiculous structure, and the rest of this comment, makes sense. I'd love to hear - or rather read - what you think about the ACD quote angle, or if you and other qualified, and well-read people in terms of canon think it could have any merit to begin with at all. Much Love.

[@mariacohen9248]

Hey. I see you and I believe you have a valid point of interest here. ❤️❤️❤️

[@Thomas_Winters]

your the best and most thorough Sherlock related KZbinrs I've seen. to be honest, i thought u were gonna be some cringe filled amateur with absolutely no hint of self awareness but i was knocked onto my butt with your quality of your content. i was impressed, to say the least. i find myself in and out of the Johnlock fandom which saddens me but thanks to you I actually rethink about it again. i dunno. i have been going back and forth between watching the show and watching your videos. bah. anyway, keep up the good work. im enjoying it. heck, i haven't even been watching steven universe and undertale videos.

[@Thomas_Winters]

Pff stalker

[@sizdimitri]

Sherlock Watson Speaking of undertale: Sherlock is Alphys, John is Undyne.

[@Thomas_Winters]

Sizca Reis i was thinking more Sherlock is Connie and John is Steven

[@Saphia_]

'Watson, I owe you a thousand apologies' and 'We've shared the same room for some years, and it would be amusing if we ended by sharing the same cell' are two lines from the canon that live in my head rent free. Also, the two lines that finally made them ship Sherlock and John in the canon and thus, entered me in a rabbithole of Johnlock in BCC Sherlock. Oh btw, even if canon Sherlock wasn't gay, he was clearly not straight. He might be aro/ace but not straight, not at all attracted to women. Watson repeatedly states that Sherlock hates women but it is clearly just in the context of romantic/sexual attraction because like, he clearly respects intelligent or working women and doesn't like it when women are abused or taken advantage of. That's not a 'I hate women' move, that's a 'not interested in women' move.

[@leviosanotleviosa1205]

The canon was published in a magazine and everyone believed Watson‘s lies. Moriarty‘s „I read it in the papers so it must be true“ might be the writers referring to that

[@thequeerquartz]

forget tjlc, im here for the officer and the bank manager. the officer and bank manager conspiracy...tobmc

[@mori5509]

I didn't believe you about Mary in the beginning... but in the last few days, I've become convinced that you're absolutely right ^^

[@eltropicoenmishuesos]

At this point, I struggle to find people that still believe in tjlc, but your videos have given me hope that one day this will be a reality, there's nothing left I can lose. I found you at a very low point of my life and to have johnlock in my mind has helped me survive, and I mean it. Thank you so much, you are a wonderful person who radiates light and inspires the best in others.

[@TheKlutz31013]

I AM SO READY FOR THIS

[@Thomas_Winters]

ur face says it all.

[@iluvbaseball64]

free them Mofftiss free them!

[@zararobnett8284]

A thousand thank you's for doing this video and I am so glad you finally got around to reading the cannon so you can see how much more TJLC means to those of us who have been seeing these lovely intimate moments for years in canon.

[@darcieshepherd5365]

Honestly, I really admire these videos. You put soooo much work into them and it's obvious you're very passionate about it. They're fantastic and people always want more and it must take an age to make each one. That's dedication. Thank you.

[@Yoyomeyo]

I really enjoyed this one! Makes me wanna get back to reading the canon

[@tangent7078]

i got so excited at the notification for this omfg you've gotten me addicted, woman!

[@iluvbaseball64]

SAMEEEE

[@ElisaJane]

I just discovered your channel and I am truly blessed !!

[@rebeccawinsnes9728]

Aahhh same old happiness filling me up when I see that you've posted another video ❤❤❤

[@RandomNexus]

You touched upon several of my fav things from the canon for discussion, and this was, yet again, very enjoyable to watch. :D

[@millieyule8366]

Can you please discuss the colour(s) purple/yellow (but mostly purple) in the show - I was doing a Sherlock marathon with my friend and I really noticed that purple was literally EVERYWHERE! You don't have to take me up on this but I thought it would be interesting :)

[@Rachel-zo8yu]

i love the touch of the green carnation!

[@KeaganAsh]

Great video! :D And I love your green carnation! Doyle's books are SO gay tbh. The show made me read the books (I have a shitty memory for dates but somehow I remember I've read them in January 2014. :o) ), I re read them regularly ever since (which is something I usually never do), the subtext is so rich, it's just amazing, I'm so happy you did a video about it! :D If it interest anyone, here's a website I use as a reference for the canon subtext: www.nekosmuse.com/withlovesh/?cat=3 , there is also this by the same person: www.nekosmuse.com/sherlockholmes/decodingthesubtext.pdf this is really interesting, and even though this analysis is very detailed there is still things to discuss and to work about, these stories are so amazing. And on a little note: I don't think Doyle was as inconsistent as people think he was, because he took care of little details with such precision I really doubt he just mistaken dates or his characters names. Like, for the anecdote, Doyle calculated the length of his short stories, so the time it took to read them matched exactly with the duration of the travel from one London train station to the other - sadly I can't remember the station's names (I think there was Paddington, but I can't be sure, I'll have to re listen to the program in which I heard it, if it can still be found, that was on a History program on French radio), but I guess that was two of the most frequently used at the time. So, really, to me, a man who is capable of calculating that is clearly able to be consistent with dates. And my final proof is that a logical and plausible explanation can be found for each inconsistency. Fox explained it well with the "Mary problem". Anyway, I tend to think these inconsistencies are intentional.

[@autumnkaylynn377]

YAAY! New TJLC!!! This series makes me so happy ❤️ thank you for all your hard work! Much appreciated :)

[@kathleencaitlyn]

but isn't the romanticism that holmes refers to in the sign of four the love story in the second part of a study in scarlet? you know, the tragic love story between lucy ferrier and jefferson hope? i always thought that holmes was criticising what everybody else seems to be criticising about the novels: that the middle part takes away the focus from holmes and watson and the actual mystery that people are intrigued by.

[@kathleencaitlyn]

oh, okay, thank you :) yeah, it does make you wonder... :D

[@isabeau8907]

IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS ALL WEEK THANK GOD

[@clwyork5004]

yo the phandom is everywhere 👋

[@GLAASJEMELC]

haha this has very little to do with your episode rebekah, sorry: but during that interview clip about the abonimable bride at comic con (at the 10 minute marker) when the camera started trembeling I was suddenly sat bolt upright in bed and had goosebumps and was on high alert, because I was suddenly convinced this meant Moriarty was here :D because that's what happened in the Abonimable Bride! Jeeezz, Sherlock has really got me! Ps. Also because of your videos I was introduced to TJLC and I believe now!

[@keelywilliams9855]

I AM SO EXCITED FOR THE EPISODEEE AHHH

[@annamayconway1716]

This is in my top 3 favs of all the videos you've made I just loooooove it! Keep doing what you're doing fav, you make this hiatus bearable, thank you ❤️

[@Batidora-ku2ci]

ONE OF THE BEST VIDEOS I HAVE SEEN! OMG- I see a lot of stuff so different now!🥰

[@staroseaj]

the fact that it's "searching for clues" and not "cluing for looks" disappoints me

[@amikargbo8304]

and also haha I was just talking about the other day Sherlock Holmes and how John is the unreliable narrator throughout with my sister and she just doesn't get it and she's super obsessed with Sherlock so I'll show her these videos!!! 😋

[@bellavlad9802]

WHERE IS MY SIGN OF THREE VIDEO. Love what you're doing, keep it up. ;)

[@Dee010s]

Thank you both for your work on this video. I just bought a bottle of Champagne for the happy day to come. I can't wait to drink it and go......It was worth the wait!!!!! oxoxo

[@Visibleopal]

I totally didnt even see this in my sub box! I didnt even get the notification. at least I saw it on your tumblr!

[@amikargbo8304]

been constantly checking KZbin, to see your next upload and this didn't disappoint!!! love love love your videos!

[@noz8806]

My body is ready

[@りぇーど]

One sort of adaptation that i have yet to see any JohnLock shipper mention is that of Data and Geordi as Sherlock and Watson respectively, in Star Trek The Next Generation. Data and Geordi themselves are very blatantly another closet couple, though only because of the people paying for the shows at the time - as opposed to being closeted because the societies the stories take place in were homophobic, and it was seen as very fitting (by other characters in the show as well as fans) that they were the ones who constantly played as Sherlock and Watson in the holodeck. Along with that, their version of Moriarty was extremely calm and proper compared to other versions - he didn't stood in the way of the couple at all and had a healthy relationship himself, yet he was still a genius who could be interpreted as a villain without going overboard. That is to say, their (future) Moriarty was not at all opposed to homosexuality and so Sherlock and Watson/Data and Geordi were completely free to be together, simply because it all was recreated in the far future when most cultures had no problem with homosexuality either. There are also a lot of other parallels in both Star Trek, Data and Geordi and of course Kirk and Spock which relate to Sherlock Holmes - such as Data having a brother he didn't get along with, Geordi having a sister he didn't contact often, Geordi being the more "human" of them and giving Data feelings in every sense of the phrase, Geordi being a sort of doctor to Data, Data's seemingly emotional detachment in most cases (except when it involved Geordi), etc. And also John being initially portrayed as having a "disability" just like Geordi was initially portrayed as being "blind". I think that tells us a lot about JohnLock as well, even if maybe moffat and gatiss may not know about this particular representation of the characters. Also, Spock once said he was related to Sherlock Holmes somehow - Data was "the new Spock" in TNG - Spock and Kirk are confirmed cannon as well, so basically...it's all gay :)

[@snazztasticeagle8952]

THIS IS SO BRILLIANT I LOVE IT

[@ShadowDreamersHorse]

This is my Good Night story for today :) Thank you for all the awesome videos!

[@notjamin]

Oh my stars I love your haircut! You look great! I found your channel just the other day and you're already one of my favorite youtubers. Your videos are great and you just seem like such a nice person, I can't not love you

[@sidneymajewski4174]

every time fox says they find something "interesting," they mean gay dkjfhgskudfgh

[@rockshothot4487]

rebekah, honestly thanks. so well done. you are so patient and persevering and devoted, thank you for helping to spread the truth

[@brooke5951]

This is absolutely fascinating! It makes me want to read the original stories.

[@neptunecentari7824]

I actually think some people back during that time DID get it. Not everyone back then, just as now, was on the homophobic bandwagon. I'm sure many read it for what it was, and loved it as it was, but it wasn't as if they could talk about it openly. Also, this can tie into the "Mary Morstan being completely fabricated to hide their relationship" theory. Imagine someone close to Doyle actually telling him, perhaps knowing already, perhaps not, that the romance between them was actually getting to the point where it wasn't subtext anymore. (Seriously read the canon guys, I don't know how anyone could misread some of those lines, I mean come on.) As we all know that was extremely dangerous back then. Solution? Mary Morstan.

[@Anonymous-kp3jf]

That was the fictional work of an achillean man trying not to end up like Wilde

[@atunconmostaza]

Rebekah I loved the detail of your green carnation sfjlafjlf

[@racheledeutsch4394]

Loving your videos soooo much! I would love to see one of them in which you explain when the "moment of revelation" is going to happen (as regard your personal opinion) or what you think is going to happen in S4!

[@whatthefuckbenj]

Fox do you have a video or more info on the many things in cannon that Holmes or Watson say/do that can't really be explained with them not being a couple (as you mentioned at around 20:00?) I'd love to hear more about that!

[@burntheghosts]

I'd love to do a video like that! Right now I'm getting settled into grad school but I should be able to start my videos again soon and I can add something like that to the list, some of the smaller moments I think support a romantic reading of Holmes and Watson's relationship. Also, I plan on doing videos on the individual canon stories and I'm sure I'll talk about queer readings in those videos too.

[@izzie2194]

Wait, so what was the significance of Mark playing Mycroft? Something about being (or not allowed to be) gay?

[@story.struck]

"A moment of revelation" omg

[@milliefrickintrex382]

Can you please discuss the colour(s) purple/yellow (but mostly purple) in the show - I was doing a Sherlock marathon with my friend and I really noticed that purple was literally EVERYWHERE. You don't have to pick me up on this though I just thought that it could be an interesting concept. I love your videos by the way and tHEY HAVE EXPANDED MY TJLC KNOWLEDGE TO A POINT WHERE MY DAD CANT SHOOT ME DOWN FOR BELIEVING JUST WAIT DAD JUST WAIT *cackles*

[@imaginareality]

I don't know if I missed it but do you have a video where you go more into details of how the point of view changes in the third season? You just kinda mention that in your video about The Empty Hearse and then bring it up again here and I was completely unaware of it when I watched the show but now I think it makes perfect sense. I don't know, maybe it was so obvious to you that you didn't think it needed much explaining ;)

[@Gatergirl79]

Waiting all week for this, I seriously addicted to your web series, I practically get withdrawal when I'm away for so long. I've never read the Sherlock Holmes stories, just because I don't get on with First Person Narrative, I've tried many many times. I may have to force myself. -- I'm wondering if you intended to make a video of Mrs Hudson and her continued believe in Johnlock despite actually meeting John's girlfriends.

[@sidneymajewski4174]

rebs how many times are you gonna make me watch the fuckening waterfall scene

[@aimeeindia1602]

It actually makes a lot of sense that Watson was never canonically married. In HLV we find out that Mary isnt really named Mary at all, so hers and johns marriage isn't actually legitimate. The writers must have picked up on the canon that Watson never actually names his wife and used that in their adaptation to prove that he isn't actually that in love with Mary to officially marry her....maybe because he loves Sherlock?? ;)

[@naomi5815]

It's a green carnation:3 Love your video!

[@alexandram.1303]

Can it be January already

[@superwholockphans9812]

Betcha don't feel that way now

[@xiaozhansbi]

That's not pretty, SuperWhoLockPhans

[@isabelladouble246]

Fernanda Treviño ?

[@xiaozhansbi]

Oh nothing, noth- TGIOGNEAKRHWGJÑKEGTH SEASOOOON FOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOUR

[@carolinaalkstal2991]

Hi Rebekah! I was gonna send you an ask on tumblr but couldn't so you probably turned them off to get a break from them :) Anywho, I've got a question for you. I'm making Sherlock-themed mugs, and I was woundering if it would be okay to make one with the 'catch phrase' from your vids on it. I would put TJLC on one side and then "Get ready to believe" on the other. (if I later were to sell them you would of course get credit for the quote and a link to your youtube channel would be provided.) Thank you for making these videos, they’re amazing!

[@333Vampirewillrule33]

i place these in the background while i draw so when i look up and u r always smiling i just kinda giggle and draw some more ^-^ can't wait to hear m theory plus...i am sad i haven't read m theory in the first place cuz of college but i will try over this week :3 srsly thank u all for putting this together

[@sunriselg]

According to various sources a white carnation flower means pure love, sweetness, innocence, good luck and faith. I am wondering what you were aiming for...

[@aperson3859]

It's actually green, Victorian gay men wore green carnations as a sort of code to identify them as gay to other gay men 😁

[@tylerburney8576]

It looked more like a green carnation to me, which symbolizes gay love

[@nellyweston6128]

loving the gay green carnation! xoxo

[@laracristol91]

hey! I love your videos so much!! Wanted to tell you that the SDCC link is for a GameGrumps video. I hope you can edit that even if the video is already uploaded, idk how youtube works. Looking forward to watch the next video!

[@maureenk8707]

Your hair in this episode looks like Irene Adler's ♡

[@tylerburney8576]

Yay, another video! :D

[@sissisellitto6922]

i can't scream but YASSSS.

[@maivagutierrez2566]

The videos are amazings! Please, could you enable the autimatic captions?

[@firebender2224]

ilysm

[@zoetevka4653]

I got my coffe it is autumn and i love the books and this videos! ♥️🍂✨☕️📚🍁♥️🥰🏳️‍🌈🤗💫🍁📚✨

[@zoetevka4653]

♥️✨🍁☕️🏳️‍🌈📺📚🍂💫♥️

[@Thomas_Winters]

wait... David? Crooked Man???? wheres Sissy and D:?

[@sickman60]

Are you going to mention the setlock photos of the "watson baby" and the dog bc i'm very worried about tljc right now

[@Thomas_Winters]

+Rebekah TJLC Explained I honestly am, too.

[@keelywilliams9855]

are you possibly doing any future videos about the teaser trailer or trailer (when it comes out ) for season four?

[@keelywilliams9855]

+Rebekah TJLC Explained k thanks just wondering 💖

[@sc3722]

YES!!!

[@maggie-7150]

Can you please offer german (or english) subtitles again? It would be very helpful for me :)

[@jamieruwen4204]

the tjlce intro song reminds of my dog :')

[@SunnyGirl310796]

I liked this before watching it :D

[@user-xr5hw3ex1w]

I'm rather terrible at drawing - but I couldn't resist and I did this: it.tinypic.com/r/4sxv8i/9 (Yup - the one on the left is me). Hope you like it. Lots of love from Eleonora, Italy.

[@user-xr5hw3ex1w]

+Rebekah TJLC Explained Well - I had to do something to express my gratitude: you are the only person that (even with a simple smile) succeds in making my days more shining. Continua così! (Keep it up!) x

[@anaypauli]

Today is a good day

[@IsamaraAdrianeFranzonGoetten]

Hi, Rebekah! I love your videos so much! Could you put portuguese subtitles? Kisses from Brasil!

[@IsamaraAdrianeFranzonGoetten]

+Rebekah TJLC Explained oh! i'm not fluent to translate, I barely understand what you say, but I love it the same way... Thank you for answer me... 💋💋💋

[@eduardopetry911]

I just sent some portuguese subtitles! This is one of the best videos from Rebekah that I've ever seen, and this is saying much. Some mind blowing coherent-to-the-canon theories right there! Genius work, noticing such detail. I'm so excited for the big reveal!!! Cheers.

[@IsamaraAdrianeFranzonGoetten]

Eduardo Petry Thank you very much!

[@amberlewis3815]

Have you seen the new Hillywood Sherlock parody? It's awesome. Not a lot of John(popping)andLocking going down, but it's visually spot on! Thought it might be up your alley: kzbin.info/www/bejne/d6PHiH9oqrCZbc0

[@Thomas_Winters]

it was pretty darn accurate

[@doicam5202]

I like your expression :)

[@nicoledublan8951]

Yasss❤❤❤

[@chupachipchipachup7887]

Hey can you do a video that disproves Sherlock being gay but asexual? Not many people want to believe it.

[@anaypauli]

XD TURN DOWN FOR WHAT (i'm asexual and i have a gf sooooooooo that doesn't prove nothing)

[@sebbys_mama]

Is it generally thought (among TJLC fans) that Sherlock is a virgin in the show?

[@teddy9770]

The TJLC community would prefer Sherlock to be a virgin. The only possible candidate for an intimite partner in the BBC show is Irene Adler (people like to think they shagged after he saved her from being executed), but that doesn't match our idea of Sherlock being gay. He could have had sex before the events of the show, but he was so emotionally unattainable when it started, that this is rather unlikely. Furthermore, Mycroft points out in 'Scandal of Belgravia' that Sherlock wouldn't know whether sex could 'alarm' him, hinting that he knows that Sherlock has no sexual experience. He also didn't sleep with Janine, deliberately risking his plans of bringing her to heel. The truth is, that we don't know for sure. What we know is that he (at least in BBC's adaptation) has sexual urges and gives in to them, because his folder in Magnussen's head said his 'porn preferences' were 'normal', whereas other characters' such as Mrs. Hudson's said 'none'.

[@shivanitelang7760]

@@teddy9770 Even Benedict Cumberbatch said that Sherlock slept with Irene after that incident...Personally I wasn't convinced about it that much because they never implied it through any symbolisms Or between the lines that he did that during the episode... Moreover everyone on this show (writers, actors, etc... including Martin Freeman) have lied so many times before so it doesn't really feel quite true. I don't know what to believe. I'm a TJLC supporter myself but I was really confused when I found Cumberbatch's statement in his interviews

[@christinabeyer9298]

@@shivanitelang7760 Please don't take so much care of that "statement." It wasn't meant serious. ELLE UK: Would you like Sherlock to shag Molly? BC: No! ELLE UK: Would you like Sherlock to shag anyone? BC: Oh he has. He shagged Irene Adler. They definitely got it on that night they had together when he rescued her from a beheading [laughs]. ELLE UK: "No they didn’t." BC: "Well that’s for me to know and you to not know." Benedict laughed after he said it.