TKS Rocket Race // Awesomeness by Kevin Langlois // Pushing Micro Limits

[@NickBurnsFPV]

Special Thanks to Kevin Langlois (TKS Designer) and Jack Higgins (Jacks3dPrinting.com -Frame Source). Kevin on Facebook facebook.com/kevin.langlois.39 Jacks3DPrinting on Facebook facebook.com/groups/315905552404441/ Please let me know what you think and any additional sources for the UZ85 and/or parts in stock.

[@thirtythreeeyes8624]

Have you tried the Happymodel 1102 19000kv? I'm wondering what size of prop it can run

[@NickBurnsFPV]

@@thirtythreeeyes8624 I have but sparingly and only the 1mm shaft versions. Its a 1s motor, and it can handle the gemfan 2023 prop pretty well. Again I have flown those sparingly.

[@thirtythreeeyes8624]

@@NickBurnsFPV Thanks

[@meracing6034]

Really funny. I made a Gnarly Meemo more than 2 years ago with these motors and props and it's same weight as your heavy build (yeah you sure feel it). Also with rubber band and a nano VTX and nano 3 cam. Used a Eachine novice-I 1-2S board. Still love this thing. Your build is like a next level. Nice job.

[@dextergreenman2162]

I didn't find your link for the CLI, and the other settings you named in the video. Can you link it again? Thanks. The video is so good I want to have the exact same one for my own.

[@jakestyles002]

When someone has flown as many quads as you have, one must pay close attention to the one is the "favorite". Thank you for your work!

[@pushies5]

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[@MrLaserpowered]

You need a branded product!! TKS Rocket Nick Burns edition.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

Lol,Thank you but nah. I am good with just exploring the micro fpv space.

[@MysteryD]

Remarkable. It's very very hard to believe it flies that well considering its size. No over-hype on your end. I was blown away with the footage.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

Thank you. It means a lot getting confirmation. I often worry about my own excitement and sometimes lack of excitement in videos

[@michaelmatthews6421]

I can really tell this is your favorite from the time you put into listing all the parts!! Hopefully the chip shortage will be over soon and we can get back to... normal? Great job. Good review, glad to see you so enthusiastic about a quad.....its been a while

[@miquelmarti6537]

Hi! I just printed the TKS frame from thingiverse in normal PLA. That thing rips hard, I didn't expect that. I used 2s 450mA and total weight was 70g. It lasted almost 6 minutes of fast cruising. I am speechless. Thank you Nick for recommending that.

[@johnlheneghan1630]

I haven’t heard the word hobbyking in years. I use to get all my rc plane parts from them

[@MrLaserpowered]

Same. For me the shipping cost got out of control and then the item prices went up making it a bad value. After a delivery was missing items and fighting with HK for weeks, that put the nail in the coffin. Occasionally I buy a graphene nano-tech battery on ebay.

[@djilly75]

I still buy from them. They have great lipo sales

[@squaddingquads]

Same

[@bushcrafter6416]

Cool, I just bought a Grand Avios from Hobbyking!!!Love it!!!

[@davepowell1407]

Finally got one of these built and it is definitely my new quad! Thanks for the video!!!

[@jkbradford8]

i really enjoyed your very genuine enthusiasm throughout this video as well as the broken up format for commenting

[@subtilo3322]

Man I get so thrilled on how you are motivated about this one. Never seen you like this! Now I'm really interested

[@NickBurnsFPV]

:). Its been hard to hold back and follow through. I really wanted to make a video about this weeks ago :)

[@wmcewa01]

I’m a big fan - will be nice when parts are back in stock!

[@technoxtreme178]

A couple of tips regarding rubber bands... I used to build a lot of rubber powered models and some of the wings of my 2M sailplanes are still attached with rubber bands. 1) Use two to hold anything of value (such as that Insta360) ... don't leave anything with rubber bands on it out in the sun, and...oil them ever so slightly and they will last a lot longer ...they weaken when either exposed to UV, or if they dry out.

[@electroddxful]

You are not over hyping it. That little thing is a beast. Love them🙏👍🙏👍🙏👍

[@MCsCreations]

Damn! That little thing is fast! 😮 What most impressed me is that it seems to carry some weight in the dives! Fantastic! 😃 Amazing flying and review, Nick!!! Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

[@volkergoe]

It's so nice to see you found your perfect build (for now ;-) ). The confidence it gives you "instantly" boosted your flying skills. And by instantly I mean the 300 packs you ran through it to find that perfect combination of components. Now: powerloop your patio!

[@NickBurnsFPV]

I was thinking about that powerloop. Tried it a number of times with a different quad, got hung up in trees on both sides and blew a bunch out. Need to get that touch on the throttle just so. Working on it

[@volkergoe]

@@NickBurnsFPV start with flying it from outside your patio as a high, banked turn (like the punshouts over your house) and slowly get more vertical. Looking forward too see more of you as usual!

[@spectrexfpv]

The joy of getting some 1s frame/recommended setups to 2s is only second to the 4s and 6s jump. Great review, Nick!

[@richardvaughan6289]

Nick I like when you really like some quad cause it shows and it seems to boost your energy and enthusiasm

[@illdogfpv6888]

That looks perfect! I almost purchased that board a few times... Love the baby ratel 2 camera. Maybe a build in my future!

[@madprops526]

Nick i gotta say you are looking very healthy these days. i usually watch your latest videos and i remember you talking about life changes, then this video auto plays and i could tell it was an older video. 2022 is going to be a great year. god bless you and yours!

[@johncarold]

Hi Nick Great video on your favorite quad. I came really close to taking my mobula 6 apart for I can build my ION3 because of jello in my video, and I wanted something else than a whoop. But I still love flying it. I guess I will look for a Donner quad. Thanks again for all of the information and parts to build a new 2in

[@pavalige]

In my humble opinion you like it so much because it flies like a 5 inch from what I can see ....it is impressive

[@betitaelfica2]

Greate video. I also have the uz85 moved to a 105mm frame. In my case I use the redevil 105mm frame + 2.5" props + crazybeeX v2.2 + eachine vtx nano v1 + xm+ receiver. This combination has a reason: One day the antenna pad went off, so I get an external receiver. Another day some ESC mosfet burned so I get a new v2.2 FC with the PNP option. Some days later the onboard VTX didn't work anymore, so I get an external VTX (crazybeex v2.2 has that option, v1.0 not). I finally I mounted it on a 105 frame haha Some things that I recommend in my experience with that FC: Flash ESC 16.9 over the stock 16.8 (it will save your drone in some crashes, I lost 2-3 FC with the 16.8 version, seems that the props get stuck and the mosfet burns). Another thing, I also used a printed canopy like yours (the blue one) and was the day that my onboard VTX died. After that day I printed a closed canopy to protect all my board, it's double weight but it's ok for me. I did a design of it by mixing the blue one with another one which has 4 holes with a spider web design. You can find it by searching "caddx ant lite canopy" in thingiverse (it's the green one). I really appreciate that you shared the "emax tape", I was searching for it but I never known how to search it. I think it's so usefull when you share specific tools/material related to drones. Last day I removed the circlips from the 1102 and 1202.5 motors and it was difficult for the 1202.5, I don't know if there is any specific tool for the dimension of that motors. cheers.

[@hutchracing4680]

There is a rubber paint that you can spray your boards with that locks all the water out and makes them essentially waterproof. I have flown my waterproof Woop for 3 winters now and it's still running strong.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

At some point, maybe now, I need to water proof a quad for rainy days. Its really rare we have so many consecutive days of rain.

[@multirotormanish7220]

Excellent video Nick! And no, your not falsely overhyping the TKS. The frames work great and you just cannot beat the size, performance and cost to make one. I typically fly 5" but I am finding myself flying 1S and 2S TKS frames due to the ease of simply being accessible. I thoroughly enjoyed this video to the end!!!

[@NickBurnsFPV]

Thank you. I am with you, these tiny quads can be so easy to find time to fly and won’t bother people

[@EdturdEnfart]

Using the espresso motors from newbeedrone, if i could fly one quad id probably still pick the babytooth/ or something similar just because i can still use 1s and still have the performance and silence

[@miguelt.7997]

Word of warning about the UZ85, used it for this build. Motors only took a mild crash for 2 motor to break. Shaft broke on one of them and a magnet came out of the other one.

[@chrisbee5481]

I broke 3 motors. My fault. This is not for inside. Also broke 2 caddy ant lite. It just shot up im the level mode. Used the stock uz85 tune. Im not a good tuner

[@ndmfpv1776]

No way you’re overhyped that thing is perfect for dads that don’t have time to travel to fly. I need it! 😂

[@NickBurnsFPV]

Great. Thank you

[@NicholasSTParker]

It's unreal how nice the Baby Ratel 2 looks... Totally worth the extra bit of weight in my opinion. I was gonna build a 3s Twiglet but this looks more fun

[@chrisbee5481]

I used the Twiglet mini frame instead. Seems awesome quality and a good alternative if you cant get the TKS frame in europe. The geelang wasp85x frame doesnt fit the motors. You need to widen the holes to the inside with a drill or dremel.

[@motorazr5012]

Thanks for a great tiny whoop channel with awesome content, Nick! I've tried the 75mm Rocket, the 78mm Rocket Race, and the 83mm Echo 2-inch. I've found the 75mm frame is great with 40mm props. The 83mm frame is awesome with 2-inch (52mm) props. On the other hand, I found the 78mm Rocket Race almost pointless - it's super tight with even 51mm props and chunkier than it needs to be. I'd MUCH rather fly the 83mm Echo 2-inch. The 90mm Starlord is overbuilt and too heavy while the 101mm Echo 2.5-inch should be great with 2.5-inch props (I've got one on the way). You recommended the Crux 3 canopy and I tried that but found it to be VERY brittle - each of two shattered on their first crash. The Eachine CineFun canopy would be perfect for any camera with a larger, ~12-13mm lens (eg; Caddx EOS2, Runcam Split 3). Maybe I'll try the UZ85 or UZ80 canopy if they can be found? The StorkFly rubber bands are great as is the Gennel 10mm cloth adhesive tape (aka; "EMAX tape") from Amazon. I appreciate your sharing!

[@valden]

Looks good nick, I got all the parts in this week, plan on putting both a 1s 75mm and the 2s on the 78mm race.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

Nice. Let me know what you think, and of course which you prefer :)

[@FpvBudgetBuilds]

Great video. Thank you for the time you put into the video and all the parts lists and links. Im planning my orders right now. 🤙

[@matred3538]

I really like this set up as the 2 inch whoop, but managed to get a UZ85 from Banggood so I think I will try this to. Many thanks as always Nick for your excellent work in the field of micros. ( It reminds me of a lightweight larva x on 2 inch props, which I may try because I'm in the UK so big postage, and have a spare 3 hole larva x frame) Found the Geelang 85x frame for £7 which I think will be better than the Larva x as an alternative.

[@chrisbee5481]

Hey, how did the geelang wasp 85X frame go ? Thinking of that too, because its available to europe over BG express.

[@matred3538]

@@chrisbee5481 Hello there, unfortunately the wasp85x frame has different three hole motor mounting. But I'm going to try and drill it out when my drill arrives...

[@chrisbee5481]

@@matred3538 Thanks. Just ordered the wasp frame. Are you going to drill new holes or is it possible to modify them with a fine dremel grinding bit? So kind of extend them to the inside. There is also an alternative 3mm thicker frame with multiple choice frame holes for the Larva X. It is just big with 100mm. What i mean with the holes extended is like on this frame too m.banggood.com/Happymodel-Larva-X-Spare-Part-Upgrade-V2-3mm-Bottom-Plate-3K-Carbon-Fiber-for-RC-Drone-FPV-Racing-p-1589796.html?gmcCountry=DE&LP-0630&currency=EUR&cur_warehouse=CN&createTmp=1&ad_id=445457187820&gclid=CjwKCAjwoNuGBhA8EiwAFxomA6IcQMuybxMnNTcrmc_b13gKRoG_veKQ33EY0YYjkIRU0Pqidyn1bRoCWB8QAvD_BwE

[@matred3538]

@@chrisbee5481 I am going to try and Dremel out the wasp85x frame and I already had the larvaX frame, which works well on 2" props and is super tough. I've run both 1102 and 1103 motors on the larvaX frame, because it's bigger it's really stable. Happy building, I really enjoy this size quad also in whoop form because I fly in a park area.

[@matred3538]

@@chrisbee5481 my Dremel arrived and the wasp85x frame drilled out fine and it looks and flies great with 1102 motors. And just 5mm or so different from the frame Nick used, and we can get it in Europe.. Hope your build turns out great, I think this is going to be my favourite micro park flyer.

[@WingDingMcKing]

Yeah shoutout to those nanotech 300mah! I've been using them exclusively for a while now. Started with them on my Trashcan, then on my GnarlyFPV Primo 65mm. I get crazy flight times on 65mm biblades, pushing 5-6mins at times, but then the quad is about as light as your heavier TKS just with larger props and 8000kv 1103s. As far as the connector goes, I actually keep the red JST. I think it's got more than enough current throughput for 2S, especially for a more efficient build, and I think it's a little lighter too. In fact, the lower current throughput means I haven't had any of the 5V reg issues that used to plague happymodel boards since it wouldn't allow the same spike you'd get with an XT30.

[@toddspeck9415]

Awesome seeing your favorite quad.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

This is the one I keep on my desk and batteries charged for. Always ready to go have some micro fun

[@MapNTrowel]

Great job Nick! Looks like loads of fun. I just built a 1S version on the TKS Rocket Freestyle frame with NewBeeDrone BeeBrain canopy, 40mm Azi props and 0802 20,000kv plaid motors, RunCam Nano 3, and a HappyModel Diamond F4 5-in-1 aio. It's super light (20 grams dry) and tons of fun. Can't wait to try the 2S version on the TKS Rocket Race frame. Thanks for all your work to materialize this concept.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

That sounds like a nice setup. I hear good things about the plaid motors. I have a 1s quad with the TW Onesies 22000kv. I need to fly that one more. :)

[@CXBFPV]

Looks like the DIY UZ85 comes with the CrazybeeX V2.2 with 200mw VTX...???

[@NickBurnsFPV]

I don't think so, unless they changed the board since I got mine. Which is possible. I see one listing showing 25mw still

[@CXBFPV]

@@NickBurnsFPV I got that information from the questions on BG for the DIY UZ85 and people were confirming that it ships with the CrazybeeX V2.2 board and there are even pictures uploaded confirming that on BG and AliExpress for the DIY UZ85. I just may put the trigger on this..

[@CXBFPV]

Just got confirmation from BG via email. The UR85 is not shipped with the CrazybeeX V2.2 board that has 200mw VTX. They have changed their product description to reflect the new board.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

@@CXBFPV Good to know. Thank you

[@betitaelfica2]

oohhh one thing! Crux3 canopy is not compatible with caddx ant lite (your build 1 list). I have uz85 and crux3 and they don't fit to each other, canopies seems similar but are not the same. I get the same suprise the day that I try to do the same, the only solution was to print a ring suppor for the Caddx ant lite to fit the crux3 canopy but I dont recommend it.. it breaks easly with PLA.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

That is true I need to correct that. Any lite needs a canopy like the beebrain

[@BCRM007]

What a rocket !! My favorite is a similar build with 2” twig frame from betafpv, 1102 18k kv motors 1s, 4 bladed prop. I fly at night and it’s very quiet ,Florida it’s too hot to Fly during the day

[@valden]

Curious what battery you run and how that goes for you? I've been wanting to try this with the 1102 18000kv also but thought that might be a tad high kv. How's the flight time? 👍

[@BCRM007]

@@valden 450mah from racedayquads(gnb) it’s the sweet spot I get 3 to 3.5 min,you probably can go with a 600mah but I would put a better connector than PH2

[@chrisbee5481]

What is your ESC rating on 1S? 5A or more? I would like to build a 2.5 inch with these 10000 KV on 1S ultra light 27g dry weight. Just not sure of I need the 18000 or 13000 kv instead. My esc are only 5A so lower KV should be more efficient and less current draw.

[@valden]

@@chrisbee5481 your best bet with 2.5inch/65mm props is to go with 13500kv motors if you can. Betafpv 1102 13500kv or happymodel 1102 13500kv. They are kinda tough to find stateside and be sure you get the 1.5mm motor shaft version and NOT the 1mm shaft version. If you have issues finding those, I think something like an a 12000kv 1103 like a diatone toka or pyrodrone hyperlite 1103.5 would work pretty well too. You CAN go with the 18k but it will be twitchy unless you put a motor limit on them.

[@BCRM007]

@@chrisbee5481 Is just your regular 5 amp happymodel diamond all in one I agree with Josh go with a 13kv motors I did find 65mm a little over prop for these 1102s but still fun

[@Clif_Brown]

FPVcycle carries the good rubberbands for battery mount. GNB also make 300mah 2S batts.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

I did try the 300, but the weight difference of the 350 was minimal and the flight time on 350 stayed above 3mins. 300 didn't always stay above the 3min flight time.

[@Clif_Brown]

@@NickBurnsFPV Thanks Nick. So those Turnigy Nano-Tech 300mAh are something special.

[@Barnz1980]

Busting out those freestyle moves man! Nice & smooth flying, you look like you do really enjoy this lil quad! I must fix my Custom Larva X build as i really enjoyed flying that lil quad

[@Barnz1980]

whoa! im like 20mins in & just realized this is a 41min long vid!!! you do really love it!

[@NickBurnsFPV]

lol. I went far to overboard. Likely 10mins just on that nano tech battery. Very concerned current version aren't what they were 3 years ago. Did get confirmation they seemly are the same batteries via others uses.

[@Barnz1980]

@@NickBurnsFPV my mate just got some of those nanotech batteries for his 3" (850mah 4s) drone, he thinks they are as powerfull as the tattu batteries (also brand new). he also bought some Bonka batteries & says they arent as powerfull as the others. he just bought the drone & the different brand batteries 2 weeks ago so no idea on long term lol

[@NickBurnsFPV]

@@Barnz1980 nice initial findings. I have used bonka, but its been a few years, I wasn't impressed with them back then and haven't tried since.

[@technoxtreme178]

One question that's always been on my mind...how large is your backyard (I'm guessing somewhere around 100 ft width or more?)

[@NickBurnsFPV]

The fence line in the back is 251ft. and it narrows down to the house to about 200ft.

[@blazejohnnycash369]

It's perfect!! I want one! I wish there was a kit.......

[@imu4869]

Thabks, I'm ordering few frames. I love the micro class. Great backyard flying. Would like to see some spec races with these toothpicks. #goals

[@kenhartman29115]

I don't mind long videos. It made me buy the stuff to try this project too.

[@fabianlujan6092]

Hey Nick, it would be nice if you could provide us with a CLI dump for the Rocket Race 2s for Betaflight, making the build with the Happy Model AIO X12 board, it would be highly appreciated. :)

[@Aar0n2009]

I run the 75mm version with mobula 6 guts and the thing is fun!

[@NickBurnsFPV]

Yes it is, 2s is FUNNER!!!! :)

[@M.TTT.]

Hmm, I have some 1102 motors I think, maybe future ideas.

[@lmichaelross]

I ordered the frame and uz85. I did the mod that Mr. Shutterbug did on the nanohawk, where he removed the bumper/ducts, added bigger props, and I love love love it!!! I am really excited for a 2s like this!!!

[@NickBurnsFPV]

That is a way around needing to buy a tks frame for sure. Good to enjoy your flights.

[@karlharriman6936]

Great video. Nick - you mentioned you did some stuff to improve the insta 360 go 2 performance? Interested to hear what you did if poss, maybe in a future vid? I know a lot, including me ,have struggled to get the best out of this camera.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

I don't think what I am currently getting isn't great yet. My original go has much better stabilization.

[@sixtofive]

Best source I've found for those wider rubber bands in that size is bundles of asparagus at the grocery store. I always have my wife save them for me. As long as you don't mind purple I guess lol.

[@csg2000]

Asparagus bands are what I use to hold the wings on my flitetest planes. Best rubber bands out there, plus you can grill up the asparagus with a little bit of soy sauce on them.

[@technoxtreme178]

FYI, my Banggood order for the frame is shown "expected to ship", May 29 so not too long now. Banggood's tracking and shipping has been reasonably good on my last few orders (delivered to Canada).

[@chrisbee5481]

Hey, do you have a link for the frame? Looking for it

[@quadcopterchameleons9289]

Omg I love this drone. One o myf favorites builds.

[@sjoer]

I still love my little 65mm quad, it is not a whoop but it is a little carbon frame with a 1S 16x16 flight stack!

[@slowentropy4531]

Really reminds me of the Tinyhawk 2 hey, very very cool.

[@fairlyfunctional2236]

hi Nick, i have an almost identical build on an 80mm 2" frame i found on amazon. it has the 10,000kv motors,but an all in one camera, being the only major difference. it's so much fun,the tks must be a blast. great video and awesome flying as always.

[@nothanks611]

Have you tried any of the props without the Tmount hubs on these 2" builds of yours? I just built a 2" on the tks rocket, and the props without hubs save significant weight(mine is coming in at 32.8g with bi-blades and 33.2 on tris with 51mm HQs), but there is clearly much less "prop" material to grab air. I used the TKS Ant Light TPU canopy, and the 2" props are rubbing on it in the front so I had to do some careful mods with a soldering iron. It's very snowy and wet, so I haven't done much testing other than hovering and getting all my builds in order until spring, just curious!

[@NickBurnsFPV]

do you mean press on props? No I have tried that type of prop on this.

[@BMFPV]

Just built the UZ80 but this looks fantastic! May be a Winter build for me.

[@watchinwaitin]

Just noting for posterity that I built one of these with the Crazybee X board and HappyModel 1102 13500kv motors. It was good fun for about six flights, but on the seventh it did a death spiral and came up with a dead ESC. It seems I was asking too much of the board. I'm going to upgrade to the Crazybee F4 Pro V3 and add a VTX so I can still get some use from these motors.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

I have read this sort of experience a few times. Its unfortunate that it seems the AIO boards we have are either bullet proof or short lived. It stinks, I wish at some point this issue would be resolved. Pretty much all brands have this sort of experience.

[@watchinwaitin]

@@NickBurnsFPV You seem to be saying that it maybe was just a bad board, and not a mismatch between the 13500kv motors / 2-inch props and the 5-amp ESCs on the board? I'd go Crazybee X again if I thought it had a chance of surviving, otherwise the F4 Pro V3 seems a safer bet with its 10-amp ESCs.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

@@watchinwaitin I did miss the kv on the motor, yea that is high on 2s. I wouldn't go above 10000kv on 2inch props for those 5amp escs. I hope we stop seeing 5amp boards, there is so little overhead with them and the reliability of those particular esc seem to me to be suspect.

[@chrisbee5481]

@@watchinwaitin i killed a 5A FC AIO as well with the 13500kv 1102 motors on 2S and 2 inch props.

[@yohfpv]

This quad is like the new and improved interpretation of your Byte Size quad from MaximusFPV that you reviewed back in Nov 2018. The specs are very similar size-wise. Comparing the videos gives good perspective on where the improvements in hardware had been. To my eyes, the most notable improvements had been made with the camera and props. Thanks for the thorough presentation of the TKS, I really enjoyed it.

[@Quad66]

I’m glad to see you enjoying this build. I feel this size/class got left behind with the move on to 3 inch 3S and a lot was lost in the process. I am loving a build the the jhemcu 16x16 board, the old amax 1103 7500kv motors and with GF 2512 props. Also on the shorter wider 300-350 2S cells. With the GNB cells the lower 300mah with the 70c rating are far better than the 350mah 50c. My build is a slightly bigger footprint but still light and nimble enough to be crazy fun. What will be awesome is when we get the expresslrs 2S board. I find the lower latency is an even greater benefit on these little quads since they lend themselves well to fly tight and on reaction rather than flow and anticipation.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

Word on the street about the AIO expresslrs is no vtx on the board. Small sacrifice. :)

[@Quad66]

Nick Burns good to know. on these 1102s I’ve found better durability/quality in the Geprc though they are slightly less efficient than the HM. With that said, I was also doing the 1102 builds before these small GF triblades came out so with better balanced props maybe the motor is a little less of a factor.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

@@Quad66 The HM motors are also generally lighter than their counters parts. Likely why they are less durable

[@elpetepete]

I just busted my on-board VTX by way of the prop batting a pebble into the FC, fortunately the HM crazybeeDx has pads for an external VTX...we'll see how it goes. Second repair, already replaced a motor shaft. Loving this build so far! Thanks for making this vid! What's the benefit of toilet-tank mounting the battery?

[@NickBurnsFPV]

Toilet tank, I just like how it feels in flight. Kind of a weirdo thing 😁

[@jeffro1005]

My frames will be here Saturday. Went with 1102 18000kv and 1s building a 2s also. That thing rips man

[@noforyoutubepremium3108]

BEWARE: 18000kv on 2s could lead to issues! Too high of KV for 2s, I believe.

[@jeffro1005]

@@noforyoutubepremium3108 oh yeah definitely only 1s for the 1102 18000kv

[@djs134]

Have you tried the newer 1002 10,000kv motors on a race rocket? I mean it seems like the weight savings alone would be worth it.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

Yes, they aren't as efficient as 1102, and don't run the gemfan 2023 props very well.

[@TitanFPV]

In Vader voice: “Impressive!” I think the TBS 2s 300 HVs would be a good fit as well.

[@noforyoutubepremium3108]

I've been using Hobbyking NanoTech batteries for quite some time now. Yes, they do last a long, long time if you use storage voltage when they're not being flown. Yes, Hobbyking is THE BEST PLACE FOR SUPERB DEALS ON LIPO's! Sure, you do have to swap out the red JST connector on occasion or sometimes another connector, but I bought a 50 pack of XT30's long ago of from Banggood because I knew going in, that Hobbyking for some unknown reason still has a lot of batteries with the wrong connector on it! They do have many more XT30 connector batteries than they've ever had before though. So, they're coming around, it's just been slow! lol But, just browse through their battery selection... I was just doing that looking for 850mah 4s for my soon to arrive Emax Babyhawk2 HD quad. I looked at all of the sites and Hobbyking has around 4 - 6 850mah 4s that were a lower price than ANY other dealer had available! Some quality Nanotech's were 3 - 6 bucks less each than other sites had! I can literally buy my favorite 850mah 4s from Hobbyking and get 3 for the price of 2 from the cheapest alternative from other sites. They have a free shipping program too, but I happen to live about 15 minutes drive from the Hobbyking Warehouse in Tualatin, OR, so I can simply run over and pick them up! Bottom line: I think Hobbyking is BY FAR the best place to buy lipo's for our quads and their lipos are very good quality and THE BEST price period anywhere. A superb selection too. TheirGarphene batteries are among the very best batteries I have ever used in my 4.5 years in FPV! Great prices for Graphene too. They have about six 850mah 4s to choose from...name one other site that has that many of one size of lipo tp choose from. Now, get on their email newsletter (sales email) and get ready for their Battery Blowout sale! Holy Cow they have great deals - so far and away better than any other site in the world, it ain't even close! Highly recommended!!! =(:^)-

[@EdturdEnfart]

i did everything the same as you did except my rates love this thing it is amazing i appreciate everything you do for this hobby !

[@xBarnabyJonesx]

The Mobula8 has all the parts needed to build this. Just swap the frame and its complete. Happymodel X12 AIO, EX1103 11000kv motors, Caddx Ant camera, correct props and the canopy fits too. If you want to part one out yourself, Happymodel EX1102 13500kv are my favorite motors for this build. HM X12 AIO is the best FC with VTX but HGLRC Specter 10amp AIO is a good alternative. Caddx Baby Ratel 2 will fit in the Mobula8/Crux3 canopy, if you want a camera upgrade over the Ant.

[@airdevil21]

I like how this fly's! And the picture quality of the baby ratel 2 is very nice. How does this fly different compared to the larva x?

[@NickBurnsFPV]

Its really hard for me to compare, as its been a long time since I have flown the larva x. What I can say, is I have not flown something with such freedom. The freedom is not only the flight performance, the known safety, size and silence.

[@airdevil21]

@@NickBurnsFPV Thanks for the answer. I had ordered the reddevil frame to put the trashcan stuff on but now I will maybe put my uz85 stuff on it and see how that's flying...

[@ccurrivan]

I'm looking at building this now and noticed your RDQ link for the Ratel 2 goes to the Ratel 1. I almost bought that one by mistake.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

oh, I will get that updated. Thank you for alerting me.

[@JackalFPV]

Awesome Nick!

[@MoeFPV]

Nick - would you still recommend this build a year later? Going to be my first time building. Any updates? Thanks!

[@NickBurnsFPV]

For analog yes, I still fly mine regularly. I have 3 nearly identical and some spare parts I keep. The issue is sourcing 1102 10000kv motor. I believe HGLRC and Geprc have some but they weigh more and I have not flown them on this frame/setup.

[@gvngoheavy]

Fully aware this is an older video, so this comment/question is a little late. But wondering if I could get your take on the xt30 connector as opposed to gnb27 or bt2.0? Currently wondering if I should convert all my 1s batteries from BT2.0. Ill be building one of these and modifying one of those new HX115 LR quads. Idea is to buy the HX115 LR then some 1202.5 motors and use the 1102 18000kv motors on this TKS. Thanks much for the videos, just getting back into flying after about 6 months of being off the sticks.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

My understanding is the bt2.0 can handle about 9volts with the gnb27 slightly more. So either way will be fine on 2s. One 1st they are also good options. PH2.0 solid pin works well, and works longer than ph2.0 rolled pin but not as long as bt2.0 or gnb27.

[@chrisbee5481]

GNB27 is the way to go. BT2 is not so good to handle. Check comparison videos. On 2S stick to xt30. 1S gnb27

[@johncarold]

Hi Nick, Great video and review of the TKS Rocket race. UZ85 is unavailable, but I found some parts that I like. Thanks for the video and information about this quad

[@PIXELATION_PILOT-BABY]

I have a mobula 7hd x12 frsky board I used to build my “tiny racer” with. Used my mob [phone],000kv motors. Installed ant nano cam and exterior ep2 elrs receiver. Small toothpick 2mm CF frame on 2s. With this FC will it accept Emuflight and is there a much noticeable difference between BF and EF? Been considering EF but timid about the Happy Model boards. Flies but definitely needs more tuning.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

The version of emu in this video is pretty old, the difference is likely the feature set and more. I can't say with any high certainty to the difference, in this video the difference was the base code was built on BF3.5.7 which didn't use the sliders and likely didn't have some of the filters. I see the discord for emu is still active discord.gg/udZCx8Ma this would be the best place to get current information and assistance. I suspect the Happymodel boards continue to be supported as they are some of the most frequently seen AIOs on the market.

[@PIXELATION_PILOT-BABY]

Awesome. Thanks for the rapid reply.

[@brianfreland9065]

The new 2s mobula8 is a great quad to grab for rocket race parts! It has motor plugs, it has an xt30 already on it. Grab a mob8 and a frame from jacks 3d printing andbyoure good to go! It has 1103 11,000 kv motors that come with it olus a happymodel X12 5-in1 AIO board and the cam and everything's youll need! You can swap out motors if you like but i just grab 2 or 3 mob8's a bunch of carbon frames from jack, and then ill grab motors here and there if i see some i want to tru onnit and i ALWAYS have spare parts for my rocket race with all the bnf mob8's laying around. Plus you can fly those mob8's if you want a whoop for a specific situation! Life is easy now! Lmao

[@trajanfpv]

Looks really good. I could build it with spare parts right now, convert my US65 pro TBS guts. My only issue is that I would like the option to run 4 screw motors as well, the Beta FPV 1103 11000 motors from the BetaFPV 85Pro come to mind and are new in my drawer.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

We can use those 1103, but the magic for me is in 1102 and the reduced weight.

[@trajanfpv]

@@NickBurnsFPV The 1103 has 4 screw holes, looks like the frame will not accommodate them. Also the emax 1103 7000 KV would be supper light as well, but they have that odd motor pattern.

[@trajanfpv]

@@NickBurnsFPV The URUAV 85 is on Bangood for $89 right now in stock.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

@@trajanfpv Oh I thought I looked at those motors, must have been a different motor. I used 1103 HM motors during testing.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

@@trajanfpv It would be nice if we could rely on that "in stock". The agent from Banggood said they will have "more" the end of the month. Maybe they didn't mean they are out of stock.

[@parker1ray]

I have a dozen 5" and almost that many 2" 3" and 4" long range and 6 camera drones and they are all fun!

[@CPaine007]

Do you happen to have a Betaflight Cli dump for this exact build?

[@michaelcamden1]

Hey Nick love this build. What is your thought about 1202 10,000kv motors? The math says they have less volume, for something this small and fast how do you think they would perform compared to the 1103? Thank you sir, always a pleasure

[@NickBurnsFPV]

They will be somewhat close. The volume of the motor is one aspect the weight it another. The happymodel 1102 are the lightest in the 1102, not as durable as others, but they also have really good efficiency and performance. The 1202 will be serviceable, but the added weight will negate some of the agility in the air.

[@akatopj22]

Exactly what I was looking for.

[@pksteffen]

I may have some of those HobbyKing batteries stashed in a battery safe somewhere. Time to hunt. You got me. Gotta try it now. 1s Babytooth is my jam but heck this looks fun too! Great stuff Nick. Cheers!

[@NickBurnsFPV]

The babytooth is good. For me the smaller package is even more fun. :)

[@pksteffen]

@@NickBurnsFPV Gonna try your emu dump for fun now. It is super fun with a tweaked UZ85 tune, but want to try the NB approach for a change.

[@nyclassic4ever130]

I finally jumped on this build. I have the ELRS version X12 aio. If i flash with this cli dump here...will it mess up my ELRS settings? I dont wanna mess this up. And then just blue jay to the settings in screen shot and im good? 🤔🤔

[@NickBurnsFPV]

The dump is for emu flight and frsky, so I don't suggest using it. If you put emu flight on the AIO you can use the pids from the cli dump

[@backyardr.c.channel4732]

Man I wished I ordered a few of those ur85's when I had a chance! Build 2 so far one with the mobula 7f3 flight controller and camera! Running 1102 9000kv happymodel motors with the gemfan 2015 props on 2s. And the other is a mobula 6 flight controller camera and the betafpv 1102 18000 kv on 1s. The 1s is insane but a bit floaty vs the 2s version. Either way I love them and i even have a 40mm version for slower flying. I agree these are the best especially for the backyard!

[@djs134]

That house punch was insane for that little build! Wish they made a bnf, I hate sourcing parts in tiny builds

[@NickBurnsFPV]

Yea, it sure is fun. I have heard happymodel has started communicating with Kevin the designer. Maybe they will make one. I think more people would enjoy it.

[@wildleder]

I'm in love your TKS Rocket Race. I want to build my own - I can't find a crazybeeX, can you recommend another board with an built in vtx?also do you think adding a tbs tracer nano will impact it's performance a lot ?

[@NickBurnsFPV]

I would probably use a different AIO like the super x10. Adding weight does have an impact, 2-3 grams wouldn't be a big performance hit. Much more than that and I think it would be very noticeable.

[@wildleder]

@@NickBurnsFPV okay thanks you!

[@mootine2007]

Props In OR Props Out? Just ordered the parts for the TKS Rocket Race 78mm from Rotorgeeks. Frame, FC and Motors. Ordered the Newbeedrone Canopy and the Ant Lite Camera from Newbeedrone.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

I ran props out. I tend to prefer how props out handles on micros of this size

[@MatthewSullivan12]

Crazy stupid idea. I have 1103 7000kv motors from a broken quad, and I kind of want to make a 3s build on this frame, but idk if that's too much weight for 2" props. Thoughts?

[@NickBurnsFPV]

we have seen 4s on 40mm props? Sure the weight increase will impact the flight, but that impact could be a positive as well, for things like more carry or drift during maneuvers.

[@jcfpv3454]

wow this is so cool i am really starting to fall for these micros there so much more fun and handle way better

[@NickBurnsFPV]

Micros have come so far in a short time.

[@mitchmo5000]

Awesome build thanks for sharing! Question on the tape holding the motor wires down... asa tape? Just wanted to make sure I’m hearing you correct? Where’d you get yours? Thanks!

[@NickBurnsFPV]

I am not 100% sure on its official name, acetate tape is very likely. I have a link at the very bottom of the video description to emax and to amazon that is verified tape I use.

[@mitchmo5000]

@@NickBurnsFPV thanks! Sorry I missed the link! Appreciate it!

[@NickBurnsFPV]

@@mitchmo5000 no worries.

[@srutx]

I built the TSK Rocket Race with the UZ85 donor. I was going to use it as better outdoor flyer over my Mob6. Loved it for the 45 minutes that I flew it..... then I promptly lost it. I think in a densely leaved tree but I wasn't running a goggle DVR so I can only go from my memory (rookie move). Now the UZ85 is no longer available. Any suggestions for another donor? Or build from $cratch? Or just get a LarvaX and move on? thanks. love your channel.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

There is really only one like it, being the bluejay from rotorgeeks.com. I have not flown it, but from a component and frame perspective it should be very very close to the rocket race 2s. I have been hammering companies to make something like it, but no dice yet. :(

[@simonleier502]

I always have problems with the Happymodel motors (especially 1102). Sometimes they don't work out of the box and if they do they break really fast. Does someone know a good alternative?

[@NickBurnsFPV]

Its pretty rare anyone else makes 080x motor, but if your having trouble with 1102 or larger motors, betafpv, t-motor, and a host of others make similar motors. I would search your favorite webshop for the motor size your looking for.

[@Jwillie]

Ooo this looks cool! I might get one with my next paycheck...

[@NickBurnsFPV]

I would agree, but you likely know how I feel at this point. :)

[@Nimbus2k23]

Sorry if I missed it in the video but what size are your your AIO mounting screws? M2?

[@NickBurnsFPV]

In the moment I don't recall. They are certainly M2, but the length is probably around 12mm.

[@KernsJW]

Looks great! Wouldn't the mob7 v2 fit on that carbon frame too? I have a couple with upgrades motors and on some other plastic frame, forget which one

[@NickBurnsFPV]

The board will work but the motors likely have 1mm shafts which we can overcome with screwing on the props but my opinion is those 1mm shafts motors are not as durable. But would work until we see more 1.5mm shaft 1102 10000kv stock arrive

[@KernsJW]

@@NickBurnsFPV i have some t motors on it. I forget which motors they are though! If needed, I will buy they ones you used later

[@NickBurnsFPV]

@@KernsJW I wonder what size and weight those motors might be. Becareful adding weight, more weight more crash impact.

[@KernsJW]

@@NickBurnsFPV checked and they are the same motors as yours! I have a mod 7 and mod 7 v2. I just paid for the CB frame x2! Can wait. I do have two more plastic frames left, but oh well

[@dndon2007]

hello nick I used quad like this.. the screws for mounting the motors in 2.5 thick frame its very hard to find I hope banggood offering them soon.. the other thing this kind of motors has a very weak shaft so it will break while changing the props so to avoid this problem you have to enlarge the props whole then use screws to mount the props.. hope this will help

[@NickBurnsFPV]

That is an issue I haven't had yet. I did change props a few times before settling on the 1002 1000kv.

[@jeffmcclain]

I know this is like THREE YEARS old now, and things change fast in this world, but can't get most of this stuff anymore from links to motors, etc. Just wondering if you have a new "favorite" non-whoop (i.e. tooth pick or outdoor freestyle micro/nano)?

[@NickBurnsFPV]

The nanofly 20 is very close to the rocket race

[@chrisbee5481]

Hey great. Unfortunatly I cant get hold of that TKS frame in Europe or on BG. Would the UZ80 frame be an alternative? Its light but you said it bends. Maybe the Wasp 85X Frame if all components fit on it? All on BG

[@NickBurnsFPV]

The wasp frame should work, I think its better than the uz80 frame. Especially if we go 2s.

[@jermadjesty]

I found that CycloneFPV has 1102 happymodel motors in stock

[@deathpunchrigby1664]

Hey Nick, What would you suggest for someone trying to build the TLS rocket a year after the video was released? A good chunk of the parts listed are just aren't sold anymore.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

I would go for the happymodel x12 AIO, caddx ant, anthe hglrc 1102 10000kv motors. If none of the 1002 more are available the 1002 on biblade.