The Problem with Brotherhood of Steel in Fallout 76

The Brotherhood of Steel has a storied history in the Fallout universe. Does it really make sense to see them show up in Appalachia in Fallout 76? 25 years after the Great War?
The Problem with Brotherhood of Steel in Fallout 76
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[@arfuiri1797]

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[@TheRealGamer872]

Ok

[@luxither7354]

Ok

[@Enclavefakesoldier]

ok

[@cluner24]

Ok

[@infinityhand6569]

Stay tuned for the next dlc where the Legion invades Appalachia 124 years before Caesar was born!

[@Dang_Ol_Username]

Wouldn't surprise me, there was a cannibalistic raider gang in 76 called the Gourmands. Not to mention the clusterfuck that is Elder Scrolls lore with unreliable narratives, and dragon breaks. Shameless.

[@infinityhand6569]

@Mannered Bare "Ave, true to..." *Looks at watch* *124 years later* "...Caesar"

[@tsu4883]

76 already got legionesk roman outfits to role play that..

[@therr2146]

@@Dang_Ol_Username Gourmand is an actual word, not a thing unique to New Vegas

[@vibrioidabyss9352]

And the Legion in 76 will just be a raider group that owns slaves.

[@f.palmero5010]

The only problem I see is the lack of discussion about how high the NCR taxes are.

[@Flow86767]

Damn you Californians stealing ma money!

[@paniniweewee5857]

Edward Swallow circa 2247

[@matchesburn]

In all seriousness, it would be interesting to know more about the NCR government and life past Fallout 2. I mean, we encounter the NCR in FONV, but they're operating alongside House and don't actually manage the Strip, so it doesn't give us an insight much into what is going on. Frankly, it would be nice to see the west coast again post-F2.

[@thegreatpapyrus1665]

BRO THE NCR HAVE BEEN TRYING TO EXECUTE ME FOR YEARS

[@ieieieieuekjejejejej453]

@@thegreatpapyrus1665......n....jgd6

[@TheCHEF1911]

The Enclave, a faction that is finally join-able in a Fallout game, is ignored so we can get even more BoS content even though they were completely wiped out. Nice

[@YOGI-kb9tg]

the brotherhood is the posterboy faction of fallout its a given

[@alexanderward2378]

Exactly, an Enclave Army detachment would make more sense to be in the game, Plus it would be funny to see how the Enclave Command Staff reacts to MODUS casually telling them "Yeah I promoted like 6000 people to General by the way"

[@elijahboehlke3739]

Your right they should’ve made enclave npcs and a whole quest line they are the only faction that could Be in Appalachia at this time raven rock and the oil rig is still intact I’m sure there are huge bases in other places I doubt they only ever had 2 bases there has to be huge bases in the Midwest

[@Gauchesuede123]

Yep. Bethesda snorting too many "Ad-Victoriam" pixie dust. The bias is real here. Like what my Courier said: "Once a Zealot, always a Zealot".

[@oscarbainbridge8656]

@@YOGI-kb9tg They're only the posterboy in fallout 3 and kind of 4

[@C3H5N3O9]

"It makes just as much sense to bring the NCR over or the Great Khans." Dear god please dont give them ideas

[@ZinTyPhoon]

They already have the Ranger armor...

[@Ernest_XX]

Caesar invades using verdibirds power armor and very advanced technology

[@Davenzoid]

@@Ernest_XX or worse yet, the Legion using *gasp* GUNS!

[@carlpvnsem2875]

​@@ZinTyPhoon this message is old as fuck but still, nothing about the ranger armor being in west virginia breaks any pre established canon. we know from new vegas that the ranger armor was originally pre war riot gear used in addition to power armor to quell riots across america while food shortages happened. WV also had a police force and definitely had riots, probably more than most places in america. i still take issue with how it's implemented obviously as it's just been used as a cash grab

[@mysticspace3369]

@@ZinTyPhoon Isn't Ranger armor just repurposed riot gear?

[@Flow86767]

Instead of using the BOS, they could’ve created a new factions resembling them, based of military survivors that could have their own goals and morals. That could’ve been more creative and interesting than milking the brotherhood again.

[@SwooshJush83]

But that would require some actual effort on Bethesda’s part😂

[@Dreadwing1000]

I thought originally the Brotherhood was formed from military survivors though?

[@MrZombieTickler]

Thats what they are doing. The Broken Steel is a break away faction from the core BoS >__

[@MrZombieTickler]

Yet people will complain about anything

[@MrZombieTickler]

They were. Well technically they quit and went awol right before the bombs due to them finding out the messed up stuff the government was doing.

[@papaswanson]

This title triggered ever Bethesda employee that works on Fallout

[@authorhazel1554]

I completely forgot BOS was in 76. Honestly, atleast the Enclave being there MAKES a tad bit of sense

[@Epicbam]

Frankly idk why they didn’t make a fucking ENCLAVE DLC. I might just be mad bc their my favorite faction but they are deserving of far more love than Bethesda especially given this is literally the only game where they’re a joinable faction.

[@vllskittlesllv5505]

The BoS being there makes sense too, you just have to look a little too hard to find why.

[@authorhazel1554]

Ericbaum exactly

[@theplagueddoctor1443]

Masinary you just described basic writing my friend I could make the same argument about pretty much any video game . So the forunner portal just so happens to be on earth and chief just so happens to be on a Mac canon satellite where he can save lord hood from a bomb they just so happen to have planted on the satellite? Sure it technically makes sense, but what doesn’t make sense is all of those coincidences lining up.

[@your-username-here2308]

The BoS makes sense too. Even more if you consider the original goals of the BoS and if you read the Story about the Appalachian Chapter .

[@ilovecody7514]

Yeah, the problem is that they are there in the first place.

[@CharlyG83]

Don't agree. At first when it was announced I was in the "they break lore with this", but after played it the Appalachia chapter was well written (for bethesdha standards), they fight, they died in a war that couldn't be won by themselves. Now, yeah I am at the fence but I would test it for myself first and then I will say my opinion

[@ramel684]

@@CharlyG83 Ha ha ha! Wait.... You being serious? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!

[@CharlyG83]

@@ramel684 I am, unfortunately can't give you a proper answer to Haha cause I am not a troll. You want to points arguments and critics while being respectful of other, i am all in favour.

[@your-username-here2308]

@@CharlyG83 Thats my Main problem with the Fallout Comunity. If it comes to the Lore of the World (in wich i find did Bethesda a better Job explaining thinks and Lore that makes sense) some People turn Crazy.

[@TJBUSMC1973]

Your-Username-here Because they assume that anything Bethesda adds is automatically breaking the lore. Instead of asking ‘What’s then we information that will explain this?’ they default to ‘Bethesda is dumb they broke the lore’. Like with Jet. Oh, that’s such a fun argument to have. The only source that says Myron invented it is... Myron. A teenage junkie pervert that’s desperately needs people to like him and think he’s important. Yeah, that’s a trustworthy source.

[@excelup5358]

As isolationist as they were in Fallout 1 and how little they had actually ventured in their own area of California within the year 2102, it really doesn't make any sense why they would make contact with another military remnant thousands of miles to the other side of the country.

[@desolatortrooper7196]

Because they were maybe the only civilized place (in the term of the BOS) they know so even if they are far from each others they can become allies because they are more or less the same.

[@GameControlYT]

Bethesda need excuse to reuse models from fallout 4

[@thomasstumbaugh8940]

Ultracite power armor

[@monkeman5895]

Because it never made sense for Maxson to just sit in his bunker doing jack shit.The BOS was underutilized in the early games, their potential as remnants of a US military group was thrown in the shitter for mere isolationists who sometimes hoard tech

[@reyllantenefrancia5693]

@@monkeman5895 But he was only a captain though. The only unit he was control of is the Lab they are assigned to protect.

[@sprungdig8027]

The Republic of Dave is the best faction

[@barbuolimpiu9180]

tunnel snakes RULES

[@aceisking]

The fiends are master race faction

[@nostro3546]

I'm glad the Midwestern BOS is Canon, they're epic.

[@mattfabz]

But tactics isn’t

[@therandomone.9143]

@@mattfabz sad...

[@freevertibirdrides7437]

@@mattfabz Tactics are more canon and lore-friendly than Whatever 76 could ever hope to be.

[@mattfabz]

Free Vertibird Rides like the BOS coming from a vault? K bud

[@freevertibirdrides7437]

@@mattfabz Yes. There was only one single, minor honest mistake about Brotherhood's origins in the intro - the only reason Bethesda deemed this game non canon. Technically, it wasn't even wrong, because Lost Hills gov-t bunker was a Vault in everything but name:) Compare that to Whatever 76 massive retcons, done for absolutely no reason whatsoever. Let's be real, Bethesda insists on shoving muh Brotherhood, muh Super Mutants and muh Deathclaws in every game, no matter how much sense does it make, because they are creatively bankrupt. And did I mention hordes of mutated monsters, copy-pasted from F4 and Far Harbor, which make 0 sense 20 years after the war?:) Or copy-pasted pipe guns, in a country with hundreds of millions of civilian firearms?:)

[@sp-user9882]

Fallout 76: A Paid Fanfiction Experience.

[@advictoriams]

I mean... That's what I'm using it for

[@aaronlaughter6471]

There are Fan fictions out there that do more justice to the Fallout series then 76 can even dream.

[@NurseAmamiya]

@@aaronlaughter6471 the thing about this topic is... That really is true.

[@randomcommenter4719]

Not really. The actual lore doesnt break anything. Only the cosmetic items and camps.

[@fullm3tal_jacket121]

Atlas observatory has an experimental weather control system that the us was developing. That's more than likely what their after, not to mention the 3 working nuclear missile silos

[@chuckchuck4016]

Plus only 25 years after the war most BOS members would be made up of Ex US military members.

[@LucyWest370]

lacerations r coolz exactly it makes perfect sense for them to want to block that off and not let it go into the wrong hands. It can control the weather lol Not to mention giant flying bats eradicating what remains of life on America.

[@GhostOfSparta96]

Yes the silos aswell

[@ultimis4727]

The leaks where saying that only a small group of Brotherhood members are headed towards West Virginia. They where tasked with going to specific points of interest across the wasteland that have important technology. The last point of interest is the Atlas observatory. They are definitely walking and they are picking people up as they travel the wasteland. I think this makes more sense because aren't just booking it the Apalachicia, they are stopping at places along the way.

[@JacobG2801]

Hope it’s just a small group and it’s something like this.

[@byron2FZ]

Probably something akin to the recon groups in FO4

[@boobyqueen]

Jacob G I’m pretty sure the real “brotherhood” from the broadcast only had two knights and a paladin. The rest will be volunteers

[@byron2FZ]

@@boobyqueen perhaps what happens here in Appalachia could be the reason why they don't like to recruit by Fallout 1

[@boobyqueen]

Byron Bromfield Me? I think once the Scorched is destroyed they’re gonna pull a “they didn’t need them and they didn’t like losing their technology so they were kicked out” OR “they were no longer needed so they assimilated into the Appalachian wasteland”

[@mushymcmushington7176]

The Brotherhood of Steel is just a mascot at this point. :/

[@ilovecody7514]

7:42 Poor bastard never stood a chance.

[@topherclay6131]

It's kinda sad that they just keep throwing fan service and retcons in our face instead of quality content.

[@mauktheogre4477]

Same bro

[@kingkingghgh]

its not a retconn u imbecile 76 is not a cannon game.. stated by bethesda

[@Superb_Legend]

@@kingkingghgh Bethesda fanboy ever here

[@kingkingghgh]

@@Superb_Legend ok and? it doesn't make my point any less valid its not a canonized game its purely a multiplayer game in a fallout setting it adds nothing to the lore and vice versa detracts nothing from it either so ya your a idiot for judging it on those merrits as if they shot your puppy or something lol, only the single player games are canon 76 was never meant to be and will never be canon

[@kingkingghgh]

@@Superb_Legend oh and i bet your one of the "fallout new vegas has better writing hur dur dur" fellas

[@ErikAnger]

I was kinda curious about this, I’m in the army and walking is always a option ( the farthest I personally walk was 26 miles without a long stop like sleep over night or something) from LA to West Virginia according to google maps is 35 days, if we take in account for them stopping at night and scavenging I feel that number is triple so 105 day to walk with breaks and looking for food. I think it is possible for them to walk if they started walking from the point they lost comms with the Appalachia’s BOS in real game time from when the vault opens to the dlc is completely possible

[@SGTSAPPER88]

Spent 8 years in the Army as a 12 bang bang. Can confirm with Anger Vlogs. Walking is always an option, just ask any light unit lol walking is the option 9/10!

[@vinicequintilius6529]

The hardest part would be gathering the needed supplies along the way since there is no way of being sure were teh next point you will find, food, clean water, or even ammo

[@tl924]

@@vinicequintilius6529 that's rhetorical.

[@charlesdjones1]

Yeah, just wondering without the Power User perk, how many freaking fusion cores would you need to walk that far?

[@thedrugdealinhoneybadger7568]

@@charlesdjones1 within canon fusion cores work for much longer times than they do in game, the fusion cores only get used up so quickly to make them an important resource for the player (atleast if i'm remembering correctly)

[@Alex_FRD]

Remember that part of the Brotherhood's mission also includes exterminating abominations. This isn't just a Bethesda thing, it's present in New Vegas and Fallout 2 (Marcus' story), so the BoS may want to destroy the Scorched because of the threat they pose, much like with the Super Mutants.

[@fiblin483]

i dont see any problem with them being there. in fo3 they are only there to kill mutants, are they not? in 4, they are only there to kill synths. in 76, why not be there to kill scorched?

[@josiahespinoza7347]

omg it's miles In fallout 3 they weren’t there to kill super mutants, they were there to recover technology but Elder Lyons was the only known elder to deviate from Brotherhood protocol. The BoS isn’t a charity and the scorched are on the opposite side of the country, the BoS has barely been founded. Their last priority would be flying across the country to eradicate a non threat.

[@aaronlaughter6471]

@@josiahespinoza7347 Wasn't that the reason the Brotherhood Outcast was created, cause the Brotherhood deviated so much from there original goal.

[@josiahespinoza7347]

Aaron Laughter Yes it was

[@josiahespinoza7347]

cptfancypants The main reason the Brotherhood was in Appalachia was to recover technology as seen in the holotapes. By the time they would get there, yes the scorched would be a major threat but since they had only been around for 25 years there’s no amount of technology to justify cross country travel so early, all the while bypassing all the technology in the rest of the country.

[@supermanlover8782]

Now what? Frank horrigan? The master? Jet pre wa- oh wait they already did that

[@memelotti]

Jet isn't in fo76

[@PaulPinguin]

Didn’t they add Frank Horrigan‘s armor recently?

[@jurassicparkboy]

Its is so goddamned disheartening to know this is the road we're all walking. But its okay. Wasteland 3 slaps.

[@wisemankugelmemicus1701]

Yeah. Personally, I don’t have much hope for the future of Fallout. Bethesda clearly has no love for its lore. I'll still play Starfield and Elder Scrolls 6 if they're good, but no hope for FO5.

[@CH3353N1NJ45]

@@wisemankugelmemicus1701 FO5 in a nutshell:- Someone has to find Someone and decide the fate of somewhere........

[@manilajohn0182]

@@wisemankugelmemicus1701 No disrespect my good man, but you gotta be mad to give those con artists even one more dime.

[@wisemankugelmemicus1701]

@@manilajohn0182 How? Literally all of Bethesda's games are good now. I played Fallout 76 because I'm not a sheep and can form opinions on my own, and it's a very serviceable game for what it does now. Fallout 4 is good, Skyrim's good, Oblivion, Morrowind, Fallout 3. Those are all good games. You know wanna know conmen? Buy Battlefield V. You have to buy the historically accurate uniforms in that game. Yes, EA/DICE made a game. About World War 2. Where the base uniforms are historically inaccurate. And you have to buy the historically accurate ones. Bethesda made a game, that WAS bad, last year. Now it's like a strong 5/10. Not stellar, but fun play to sometimes. Bethesda aren't conmen. You don't know conmen if you think Bethesda even fits that descriptor. Edit: not to mention, I believe official support for Battlefield V has ended, and DICE has said that we aren't getting a new Battlefield game until 2021. That's a fucking scam.

[@manilajohn0182]

@@wisemankugelmemicus1701 Fallout 76 is a game with great potential- potential that Bethesda has all but ruined with their emphasis on collecting and displaying junk. There is no new map area to explore and the storyline content is second rate compared to previous Fallout entries. Then there are the bugs and glitches that Bethesda can't fix two years after the game was released. Sure, the game's playable. In fact, it's great- IF you like playing on the same map and running the same "kill the boss creature" or "bring me five Stingwing meat and five Yao Guai meat" type of events for two years, IF you like dealing with the bugs and glitches, and IF you like collecting and displaying clothing and trinkets at your camp that almost no one except you will ever take the time to look at. THAT is a poor substitute for a game. Right now, they're just stringing players along with this crap, and with empty promises of quality future content that has yet to be delivered. Meanwhile, they're selling junk out of their Atomic Shop- which, unlike the rest of the game, never has any bugs in it at all. Can't imagine why... The other Bethesda products that you mentioned are good, but are all now dated. Fallout 4 was good- but suffered from everything packed so close together that good and bad guys could be a block apart in Boston and never bother one another. It also had very poor companion scripting that caused the player's companion to constantly block the player's shot.

[@sebastainjohnson4123]

Well, Atlas Observatory does have some unique tech. They have a machine that can control the weather. Is this enough provocation to support this move? For the brotherhood? Hell no. For a group like the followers of the apocalypse? Hell yes. It would be an amazing tool for farming and land reclamation.

[@ravynbr]

More importantly, it's got satellite communications capabilities. One of the core parts of the BoS original story in 76 is the loss of communication between the coasts and taggertys decision to use the nukes (against BoS protocol) when she lost connection with Lost Hills. Attempting to reestablish an east coast presence this soon after the war (which the BoS opposed to start with) is reasonably a high priority. The BoS that we're familiar with in the lore is half a century removed from the war. They've suffered losses, they've failed to rebuild the nation and they've become isolated, shutting out the world that doesn't want their idea of a future. In 76, we can see them before that. They're still in the early idealistic stages of believing that they're the moral compass of the new world. They swoop in with their power armor and refusal to use nukes and expect the locals to greet them as saviors. But they're not. The world doesn't want a military ruler. They try to establish control by controlling the technology and strategic locations (like atlas now and later helios, hoover dam and the citadel/pentagon). They aren't the BoS from the lore because they haven't become that Brotherhood yet. Maxon left the army because he was too idealistic for what they were becoming. He named his order a Brotherhood and ranks after the noble knights of history. He believes in a better world.... Right now. But, he lost taggerty. He'll probably lose Romani. His idealism loses lives, and his vision dies a little bit with each lost soldier. Eventually, isolation is easier. If the world doesn't trust them to lead with the technology and the BoS doesn't trust the world to use it safely, then snatch it up and lock it away. In 30 years after the loss of taggerty and the eventual fall of atlas, we get the Brotherhood we recognize. One whose values are twisted from their shining dreams of 2077. One whose core values are disputed by the elders, leading to the outcasts who want to resume the mission of a better world (project purity) and the core of the Brotherhood who maintains that isolation is the only course of action. To say that this is not the Brotherhood of the lore is to ignore the fact that they are humans with human flaws. Or it's just shoehorned in for fan service and I've thought more about it than the Bethesda devs. Both are possible.

[@ravynbr]

@@masinary1261 the bombs that she set off WERE nukes (mini nukes I think, but still nukes). It's called operation touchdown not just because it involves getting to the lair (endzone) but because the presidential nuclear code briefcase is referred to as the "football". Carrying the football to the endzone is a pretty explicit deliver nuke to target reference. We also learn that the detonation wakes the queen, something we see happens when a nuke is dropped on fissure prime (where the glass cavern is).

[@galenjones9529]

There's also force field tech at Sugar Grove. Basically an energy barrier strong enough to protect an area against nuclear strikes. The device is very power hungry though, which is why it hadn't seen large scale deployment. I bet we might get our hands on that tech come Fractured Steel. I'd be happy to use the Mistresses of Mystery's data extractor to suck up some blueprints from a corrupt file. 😏

[@your-username-here2308]

Are you a idiot ? This can be used for acts of War. In our time they tried something like this aswell in Vietnam. Not to mention that Appalachia is the last point on there Mission, they didnt run directly to Appalachia.

[@mylodelrey6520]

Galen Jones oh there are even more interesting things hidden inside Sugar Grove. ever went through the backentry into the Blacksite? that shit is crazy.

[@Graknorke]

Typical walking time coast to coast is in the region of 6 months, which means the brotherhood's ~4 months is believable if they were going at a good pace with power armour to make walking easier and so on. It would be weird if they were going that slow in an airship.

[@therr2146]

I believe people should hold judgement before talking about how "the Brotherhood being in Appliacha does not make sense". At least until they actually get there. It was a similar situation with the Super Mutants and Floaters, with an actual, reasonable lore explaination for their appearance

[@mojic9421]

All the lore reasons are already available and none of it breaks lore, dude either didn't do his research or is just a hater.

[@ZeonicFenrir]

@@mojic9421 Agreed!

[@rileymccreanor6492]

@@mojic9421 Yep

[@LucyWest370]

Mojic I think he might be a little of both, he doesn’t even acknowledge the weather control thing which is completely something he should’ve researched. But yknow, he doesn’t know the game that well.

[@TheYela0]

I hear where you're coming from, but you missed a couple things in your research that have been revealed from leaks in the PTS. 1) They were sent to Appalachia, but they had many stops on the way to recover technology, most of those were a bust though. So what you said you would prefer was the case. 2) The Observatory (weather control station) is their primary known goal, not fighting the scorched (though that will likely have some play in the story). 3) Aside from the Observatory, Appalachia also is a haven for technology, with literal robot cities and facilities that constantly create live nuclear weapons. The Lost Hills was made aware of the nuclear weapons by the Appalachian BOS, since the West Virginian faction wanted to use the nukes before going radio silent. 4) Roger Maxson was a lot less isolationist than those that succeeded him after his passing. Also, there is no mention of him ACTUALLY being there in Fractured Steel. What is likely going to happen is that Romani is going to turn against the Brotherhood and the First Expedition will be wiped from Brotherhood records. It could even be argued that the reason the Brotherhood started adopting its isolationist views came from the betrayal they faced in Appalachia. 5) Your point about it making the same amount of sense for the NCR to come as well is just plain wrong.

[@samueldull848]

I like this

[@worldwar2freak12]

Robert Maxson was explicitly isolationist to the extreme, per the original lore. All the Brotherhood did during his life was move from Mariposa to Lost Hills, then sat there until his death in 2135. In 2134, a splinter group tried to convince him to authorize an expedition to West-Tec, but they failed, and ultimately deserted on their own (and got killed). This whole "leaks" nonsense is Bethesda desperately trying to write re-write Fallout's story so that their pet faction can be in the shittiest Fallout ever made. Its complete bullshit laziness, but hey, if you like bullshit stories, who am I to stop you?

[@TheYela0]

@@worldwar2freak12 Idk, he specifically recruited former military to join him in the process after the war AND the entire purpose of a prequel narratively is to add context and story to things that aren't fleshed out. We had like two holotapes before FO76, and instead of giving the new plot a chance, you are immediately dismissive because of multiplayer. I'm not even a fan of the Brotherhood but at least I can see what is going on and how it can play into the future (prior) titles. Also, the leaks I referred to are straight up datamined info from quests and dialogue. Bethesda didn't release any of it officially, it's from the PTS.

[@samueldull848]

@@worldwar2freak12 Man's so pissed over a video game. OH NO Bethesda is fleshing out a character that's barely been touched in the entirety of the franchise. So terrible that they take a few liberties with the lore even though they provide explanations on the existence of these plot points. Get over it virgin.

[@worldwar2freak12]

@@TheYela0 No he didn't. He only moved his current contingent of soldiers and their families from one bunker to another. Bethesda is not fleshing out the history of the Brotherhood, they are rewriting the lore so they can be lazy and not have to come up with a unique group of US military survivors. I've skimmed the PTS leaks - its actually interesting stuff, a group of US Army Rangers settling into a mountainside training camp and only recruiting other ex-military survivors (which is more open than the OG Brotherhood ever were). If they had made them a unique faction, separate from the Brotherhood, i'd have no issue. As someone who is actually familiar with US military communications, I can guarantee you that if some random Captain in California can use them to contact another random LT in West Virginia, there should be an entire network of military survivors across the entire US capable of using those same networks. Also, I have not dismissed FO76 because its multiplayer, I've dismissed it because its a thrown-together, buggy, lore-breaking naked cash-grab by Bethesda leadership, who have continually demonstrated that they only want to make as much money as the can. And regardless of where we got this information, its still stuff Bethesda wrote, its their creation.

[@I_Found_Jesus_On_The_Toilet]

The problem is that the Brotherhood of Steel needs to be in every damn Fallout game for some reason. Frankly, I find them one of the most uninteresting factions, they are literally just bunch of guys with power armor and sticks up their ass. I understand why people like them, but they need to either go away like the Enclave, or become an empire like the NCR, and expand their politics and lore.

[@timothyharris1125]

Yep, I don't even think they're necessary in 76, But I guess the Bethesda gods have spoken that it just ain't a fallout game without them. They're not the villains of the story, more like bullies that push you around before you stand up to them. Also I think unlike his successors, Maxon prime actually had compassion for humanity. He might've had recruits to spare for the mission. No telling what's next.

[@matthewostry9339]

Bethesda just can’t make their own factions. They know the BOS is a good faction, so they just slap them into their game and give a half-ass reason as to why they’re there. How the f$@* could the LosT Hills BOS travel all the way from California to West Virginia?!?

[@aBANDIT.]

*Frowns in Brotherhood*

[@Billy82605]

Problem is Bethesda loves the BOS looking at Fallout 3,4 and 76, and got rid of an interesting BOS chapter which is the Midwestern BOS, that was a super interesting chapter but Bethesda just got rid of them

[@Graknorke]

They're "iconic", so they need to be there for the brand recognition. Same reason a lot of things were in Fallout 3 that didn't really make sense.

[@MRSFawesomeness]

ATLAS Observatory has technology to control the weather. Giving them another reason to go there, as well as getting revenge against the scorched.

[@Connordaboss45]

They made it "make sense" with just the taggerdys thunder but a whole contingent is a bit much.

[@your-username-here2308]

So 3 People are too much mhm ?

[@TheREALSimagination]

I've heard that Roger was typically more caring about his troops than other Elders, supposedly because he formed the Brotherhood of Steel, and before that had the privilege to bond with his units as part of the United States Army. The other Elders have always grown up in the Brotherhood with all their strictness, seemingly carelessness to civilians, their single goal of - often unrightfully - appropriating technology, etc. It's hard to imagine compassion being grown to a point where it can overrule one's sense of duty to the extent that Maxson seems to show in these transmissions, with that kind of upbringing, if you ask me.

[@maxketter5887]

I think that you're right in just about every aspect. But, when listening to the transmissions between Roger Maxson and taggerty, we hear that Roger is unlike his successors in that he cares more about the giant threat of the scorched and rebuilding civilization than recovering tech. The recovering tech part of the brotherhood was originally intended to be so that when societies were being rebuilt, the brotherhood could share it with those societies. I'm not saying that this is what interplay wanted the lore to be, I'm saying that it's the lore 76 set in place.

[@VanBourner]

Here's my take on the BoS in Appalachia. I have been playing since originals were new and always had a weird soft spot for BoS. Scorched virus seems to be similar to the plague because of which FEV was invented (as a countermeasure). FEV experiments (akin to real-life Unit 731) were the reason why BoS exists - Maxson was disgusted and he and his platoon went rogue and eradicated the scientists after he saw what they were willing to do to humans in order to test FEV (this happened in Mariposa just a week or two before the bombs dropped IIRC). I can see why if/when they learned about scorched (and the fact that it is a bioweapon launched by WV Enclave) they decided to eradicate it. They kind of always wanted to cleanse the earth of the sins of pre-war science and their presence in Appalachia weirdly kind of fits their Modus Operandi. They only care about technology (around the time of Fo1) in order to keep it away from general populace that is uncontrolled - if pre-war scientists that had all sorts of checks and audits on them were allowed to do inhumane tests on unwilling subjects, imagine what a slaver warlord would do, and for what ends he would do it. But that is Fo1 BoS. They have had 100 years to evolve their ways. We are seeing early BoS here. Rahmani may be one of the OGs from Maxson's Mariposa unit. She may be very dear to him as a result, hence the unrecorded message. They are calling themselves Brotherhood for a reason. Here we see the raw BoS with their early views on the world and I always had seen their codex as a sort of naive honor code and their general views as a "we are the ultimate good guys here". They oppose "for the greater good" mentality of The Master and The Enclave. That is why they assisted both Vault Dweller and The Chosen One. But by the time you encounter them in Fo1 they are very reclusive and exclusive. They do not care about lives of outsiders but they do care about lives of their own men to a degree since their assets are limited (no outsider recruiting - hence why Midwestern Brotherhood was seen as astray). In the early days I can see them as being more open to outsider assistance and I also expect that their WV endeavors will be the reason why they become so bitter to outsiders by the time of Fo1. I can also suspend my disbelief on how they travel from California to Appalachia - I mean people had been going the Oregon Trail for decades, and people are doing pilgrimages on foot for milleniums now. Roman armies marched on foot from Rome to modern day Bavaria. As such I can kinda see BoS units just marching over the rockies as a non-issue. Even the timescale in messages weirdly fits. 3 months from Rockies to Appalachia seems like enough time for a marching army. I agree that this is appeasement of the post-Bethesda fans and that some reasoning is shoehorned but honestly, it is not that much of an issue to me. In 76 it was fairly well explained why BoS is there and this seems like a lost expedition is going to arrive. I had bigger issue with the Fo3 BoS than with 76 BoS. Now we are reaping the fallout (hehe) of the decision to make BoS present in DC as the ultimate good guys (something that Fo4 tried to remedy) instead of making Riley's Ranger's into BoS of the DC. I'd do it differently however. Given that BoS is in it's early days I do not see why they would bother spending so many resources on traveling across the whole continent when they themselves are still trying to establish themselves in Lost Hills. I'd make a small squad, 5-10 BoS specialists sent to Appalachia as recon squad to confirm the rumors of the Scorched and report back and make the original presence of BoS in 76 replaced with the Preppers that were present in the area (sadly you can't remove them now but on that later). Make them unwilling to deal with the situation since they are in low numbers but willing to assist the 76 survivors and Preppers (yes introduce Preppers as faction). Or hell, make your own Maxson on East Coast, some army captain that after hearing of Mariposa incident realised that he is in a very similar situation (experiments in Huntsville) and a night just before the bombs dropped he along with others loyal to him went rogue and did something similar to Maxson, after which they took over one of the Vaults as they waited for their last stand against US Army (which never came to be). By the time he spent in the Vault he was able to disable the experiment that was running there and they only needed the All-Clear signal to open the Vault, something that 76 dwellers would do (hence why they were not present during the whole time). This East Coast BoS-like faction would then substitute the BoS. The time they spent together huddled in a Vault made them very exclusive and very similar to BoS. After learning about BoS actions in the area (where you'll learn that the local BoS that ou found all dead were all recruited Preppers lead by a small division of BoS volunteers) they would learn that Maxson still lives too and is behind BoS and would again aspire to become a chapter of BoS, just like the Preppers were and voila - you have sorted the fucking conundrum of how the hell did BoS get here - They didn't en masse, they just sent a APC or two of specialists that recruited like-minded people. Even if the Lost Hills BoS refused their help now, they would just decide to call themselves BoS anyway. Then Rahmani would arrive after being delayed on her expedition, would take over this new faction and decide that it is in fact a chapter of BoS after which Maxson would cut all contact with them.

[@stannisthemannis8694]

i don't have a problem with the BOS in F3 since we also had the outcasts who lived like the original BOS so we still see them and even see something brewing between them, even F4 is somewhat acceptable because again different coast following a different lead but in 76, they're now taking things and putting them in places they don't belong, they did this with the super mutants and deathclaws, and now they're doing it with BOS. i would like to say they would lose fans over this clear crash grab at marketing the BOS to sell more of 76, but most the fans who cared about this franchise left after F4 and its terrible attempt at making an RPG, especially by Fallout's standards. so now we're left with casuals who don't really care for lore but just like the aesthetic or quirkiness of it.

[@CrafterboeyMiner]

They even lost most of the normies at 76 launch lol

[@egg494]

I think they should just make it non or semi cannon. Some other thing that pisses me off is Far Harbor creatures in Appalachia, ignoring that they evolved and mutated due to very specific conditions. And I had always assumed things like mirelurks and radscorpions mutated and evolved over 200 years, not just instantly. Even if they did, how come they haven't changed at all by the time of Fallout 4. Really pisses me off. Also, completely unrelated, Bethesda's power armor was a huge missed opportunity and disaster. In my opinion, they tarnished the Enclave's ingenuity with the introduction of Prewar X-01 instead of just writing off the Nuka World armor as an accident. They also could have used T-60 as a postwar armor developed and manufactured by the BoS because of the inefficiencies and repair costs of T-45 and T-51. I also think 76 should be semi-cannon, like Tactics. Edit: Sorry for the rant, Bethesda's decisions are really disheartening.

[@timothyharris1125]

Yeah, they don't seem too necessary in 76. I think the Super Mutants and Deathclaw make sense due to experimenting in secret, but it seems like the BOS should handle their own problems on the west coast and not sacrifice a few knights to do a cross country run to no man's land, it's futility at best.

[@freshdarkdreams4810]

Or, ya know, people who find the new games fun and appreciate them for what they are instead of whining and crying about the lore

[@Kaisar011]

@@freshdarkdreams4810 can you just crawl in the hole and disappear forever.

[@joeywaters5559]

When I clicked on the video, "in 76" wasn't in the title, so I thought this would be a general discussion on the flaws of the BOS. Not disappointed; just thought I'd share.

[@yourwifesboyfriend1485]

As long as the NPCs give some lore about the places they had to go through to get to Appalachia I'll be happy

[@unapologeticart45]

I still think it's early enough in the timeline where other pockets of former military groups would still exist other than the Brotherhood. The Soldiers that help foundation come to mind.

[@sailor7388]

14:35 LMAO THE REPUBLIC OF DAVE

[@FakeEnclaveSoldier]

Next time it will be the enclave, super mutant army, minutemen or the greats khans

[@Aredel]

Don't forget the Empire and the Stormcloaks. They've got to get more fan service from somewhere.

[@brookielad79]

I feel like Bethesda are gonna do another fallout 3 and completely re-write how the Brotherhood works.

[@Dreadwing1000]

At least in Fallout 3 Lyon’s Brotherhood sort of went renegade by trying to be the good guys (The “Outcasts” in 3 felt Lyons lost his way and wasn’t staying true to the Mission, they’re original goals being more in line with the Original Brotherhood) so they didn’t really retcon the B.O.S. but made a sub-faction of it if that makes sense?

[@desolatortrooper7196]

Well in fallout 1 the BOS was trading with others factions and was helping them rebuilding the wastedland. Even if they don't allow outsiders i personnaly found that it was New Vegas who totally change the BOS and turn them into pure asshole of tech hoarder.

[@redzeppelin6]

@@desolatortrooper7196 But even in NV that branch has infighting about how they should be doing things. You can even remove the head of their branch for abuse of power.

[@randomcommenter4719]

According to the new lore in 76. A small group were to travel to Appalachia. (Its not illogical for them to walk, you guys just made it up that it wont work) and during their walk they lost most of their force and were forced to have random people join them on their journey. They eventually reach appalachia. But not to get revenge on the scorched. No. They are here because Appalachia before the war was known as Ultracite country. A material so rare but also dangerous that the Brotherhood needs to get their hands on it. And ATLAS observatory is a special place with technology that is dangerous to normal citizens and even more so in the wrong hands. That was their mission. But the leader of this group after that journey was humbled. She wanted to help people as well as gather technology. But she knows its not allowed to help people so she continues the radio silence. But another high ranking member disagress with her and think they should focus only on gathering the tech and material and contact Maxson to ask for forgiveness. Also walking from California to West Virginia takes about 34 days. It took the Brotherhood over 3 months. Not totally unrealistic.

[@Ashsucksateverything]

Lol

[@cube4871]

I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if the next dlc will be the rest of the brotherhood coming over considering how it seems bethesda is practically frothing at the mouth to put them in anything they can.

[@freevertibirdrides7437]

Happened already:)

[@cube4871]

@@freevertibirdrides7437 nah I meant the rest of the west coast

[@freevertibirdrides7437]

@@cube4871 Shh, don't give them ideas. If that happens, even then fanboys will justify it.

[@freevertibirdrides7437]

And go to rewrite Fallout wiki😂

[@Zero_The_Crow]

So far I don't think the BoS in 76 is/was problematic. First, this is not an army, not Fallout 4's mobilized force, more of a recon team. I get the impression they are here to find out what ultimatly happened to Taggardy's BoS and assess the situation for HQ. They seem to also be interested in the pre-war tech of Atlas Observitory and it's possible weather manipulation capabilities. In addition the BoS may be aware of Appalachia's nuke silos and want to shut them down. Second, this take on the BoS is at their youngest, they likely still have not yet fallen into their full isolationist ways. Maxson clearly cared about Taggardy and his consideration for this Paladin Romani doesn't feel out of place when you consider that the BoS do care for their own and as Veronica from NV frames it are a family. The goal of the suicide mission to The Glow is closure for the BoS on members who went there against orders. Third, I don't think the method they arrive in will be too detrimental to the lore. Fallout 2 had the Highwayman so cars are not unreasonable at just 25 years after the Great War. I like your suggestion for the use of the BoS airship as my lack of Tactics knowledge at the time left me shocked by the Pridwynn's resistance and use, here one would make it both uses of Airships feel more lore friendly. Lastly, 76 has Vertibots and crashed Vertibirds and while it's canon the BoS can't make them I fail to see a flaw in them even owning a few or scavenging them along the way so long as the BoS still needs the Enclave Schematics in Fallout 2. Perhaps the BoS doctrine doesn't want them to disassemble the Vertibirds to learn them instead prioritizing their use and maintainence. Fourth, Paladin Romani has been set up to not be your iconic BoS character, she is a bit different, but how exactly remains to be seen. What I'd want is a tangible cost to their arrival, something like Power Armor frames have a huge need to their spawn rate (maybe not Raider PA though for low levels), but then they become part of the BoS faction, new players must earn T-Series PA from them as part of a changing player experience. I'd also want a lot of energy weapons and PA plans to be collected by this faction and removed from their current vendors, a low impact (they can still sell them to players that have joined them) way to really put forward their presence in the world now. My final point explains why, but I am also ok with the BoS being more open to our players being Allies, I think it can lead to setting up the future attitude of the BoS and a hard lesson not to repeat. The real big thing I want out of the BoS coming to Appalachia is for this expedition to ultimately fail, toward the end of the multi-year plan 76 will have for its story, kill this BoS faction to help cement the BoS as they are by Fallout 1, not risking their lives for the good of the wasteland and seeing Lyons as a fool repeating old mistakes by the time of Fallout 3.

[@your-username-here2308]

Just that there is no problem that the BoS is there. How the Appalachian Chapter got founded and how the (once 4) West Coast Members got here on there Journey. It makes way more sense then leaving all those Years without Story for the BoS and just doing nothing at all. The same with the Enclave. Sitting on a Oil Rig, doing nothing, finishing a new Suit of Armor that is unnecessary and jumping into the Wasteland at the wort timing ever after Factions build up. Not to mention that we already how they are getting to Appalachia (The 3 West Coast Members) 4:00 BoS a little thing in Fallout 2 ? You know that they became the research House in the NCR and helped each other until they started a dump War against them. You may miss them in the Game but they have a/had a big role in the NCR. 12:06 That is called Character progression. Tech is there biggest thing years later after (the West Coast) have stiffened in one way and not doing else. Maxon even mentioned how he was more "open" and everyone, even his closed ones are telling him to shut down as much as possibile from the World. A resone why the West Coast got so out of touch in the later Years and became what they are decades later. Or in the time of New Vegas, failing. It goes against nothing because that are the early Years of the BoS. You forgott that Maxon carrys for his People. Something we saw in Fallout 1, he was the one who split up from the US Army because of the horrors he saw and what the Goverment was doing to the People. 12:33 No they are not on a revange mission. Just look at the files and you see why they are here. The Paladin who is leading the Expedition talked and convinced the Council of Elders (who was against it at first) to do a Expedition after they had the resources. She and 3 others (one got the orders to go back after some stuff happend as they reached Nevada) have the mission to go on specific location that most likley hold valuable Tech. And the last Station is Atlas in Appalachia. The other Part is if they should reach Appalachia they need to re establish contact or look what happend to the CHapter that formed in Appalachia. The resone they are a few more People now is Paladin Rahami recruited a few People on her few months long Journey across the US. 12:30 No, not what they are used to be, what they are used to be is what they are now. Years later they changed alot. The West Coast Chapter changed alot. So much that they cant reach there Goal anymore. What we saw in New Vegas. 14:00 No you are talking Bullshit. Maxon was there before the NCR. Maxon did what he did according to Fallout 1 to the Army Members of Appalachia, convince them to join and follow there cause. The same thing he did with his other Members in Lost Hills. Sorry Dude, you have no idea what you are talking about.

[@rickysullivan7584]

I'd honestly say that my problem with the brotherhood in 76 and for the other fallout games that besthada has made is there is there unwillingness to give the spotlight to other factens because they don't think it will sell as much as the brotherhood

[@Cmbking211]

It’s already been confirmed through datamines that: -They are walking -They are making pit stops along the way to Appalachia looking for tech, some of them have died, and they haven’t found much. -Their main goal in Appalachia is ATLAS observatory itself I see no problem with what Bethesda is doing. Like you said, the Brotherhood has no problem sending people on suicide missions. Tactics shows they don't shy away from doing this to their own people either. If they are causing discourse in Lost Hills (having differing opinions about how the Brotherhood should operate). If the mission is successful, it’s still a win. If it’s not then oh well. Datamined dialogue has also confirmed Romani prefers helping people more than Lost Hills, and have recruited people on their journey to make up for losses. Very similar to Fallout 3. You can assume from both the datamines and the decrypted messages that this is the reason Lost Hills might want to be rid of her. Lost Hills has very complicated politics, and has a tendency to send it’s troublemakers away, masking their true intentions with a “mission”. This is pretty true to form for them.

[@kevenblackworks1906]

You can tell when the youtuber that makes fallout content dosent actually keep up with Fallout news. Pointless 10 minute video when the info is old and already out there.

[@patrickwilliamson29]

The problem is BGS cannot write good stories or interesting factions so they have to shoehorn others in. The other is I think we have a big fanbase that never played the original games so don't understand the lore and what makes BoS an interesting faction. BGS should actually do their homework and stop thinking "it'll work because it's fallout"

[@your-username-here2308]

" The other is I think we have a big fanbase that never played the original games so don't understand the lore" No not really. The Story about the Appalachian Brotherhood or Sam Blackwell etc is well written. And finally puts some lore into years without any information. It makes more sense that Maxon tried to reach more Army Members then just doing nothing.

[@ramel684]

@@your-username-here2308 "The Story about the Appalachian Brotherhood or Sam Blackwell etc is well written. " Erm, nope.

[@your-username-here2308]

@@ramel684 It is. And far better then the illogical story from the Nevada Chapter that dosent make any sense at the end or the poorly written story of the enclave.

[@rileymccreanor6492]

@@ramel684 Nice argument you win.

[@ramel684]

@@rileymccreanor6492 Not arguing, just pointing out an obvious truth. Honestly if you think anthing involving the BoS in '76 is well written then you've already failed the entrance exam for an actual argument.

[@harryg9150]

God damn man, you’ve been posting almost everyday! Keep up the great work!

[@barbuolimpiu9180]

BoS or Enclave We all know that Tunnel Snakes rule !

[@mahon0074]

I am good with it actually, love the Brotherhood of Steel from Fallout 3 and 4. Personally I’ve tried multiple times but I could never get myself to play those first four pixel games. I would say wait until the story detail unfolds before we get all upset. Do we know the timeline of when Operation Touchdown in Fallout 76 executed and the arrival of the west coast Brotherhood to Virginia?

[@jfirs0465]

Bethesda should have done more with the free states 😂

[@WizyYT]

Appreciate the amount of quality content from you mantis. Keep up the good work

[@GR4YFOX-]

I donno. A weather control device, THREE functional nuclear silos, and the discovery of ultracite all sound like things the old brotherhood would have wanted control over. I agree this addition seems forced, the original retcon was stretched but understandable. However there is sufficient reason for them to show up in my mind.

[@drag0nmancer]

The expedition forces BOS are there to clear out the scorched and scorchbeast. the last transmission that taggardy's thunder sent to Lost Hills before the SatComs went down was that the East Coast is facing an extinction level event from the scorched and scorchbeast. And the forces Lost Hills sent are eventually going to get wiped out again, as they weren't around when the BOS eventually came east by the time of FO3. fallout 3 takes place like 200 years after the bombs dropped, plenty of time for whatever forces the BOS sent to appalachia to be forgotten. Hell, most of the NPC's in FO76 are ignorant of the BOS presence during the internecine time between the bombs dropping and the residents of 76 leaving, due to everyone being wiped out because of the scorchbeasts. other than the BOS, nobody really records the history of the world all that well. I think you are getting too stuck on "the BOS cant be here because I DONT WANT THEM, REEEEEEEEEEE". To be honest, if it doesnt have the brotherhood of steel, Fallout is just "Generic post apocalypse game #12". Power Armor is what really sets it apart from most other post apoc games. The Brotherhood of Steel is part of what makes makes the fallout games Fallout. Otherwise we would just play the Wasteland and Rage games or Borderlands, or anything else remotely post apocalyptic.

[@thecthuloser876]

As someone who's been a Fallout fan for two decades now... 1.) Most importantly, people need to realize that retcons happen. Period. In any piece of media that's more than a one and done... It's going to happen. A good writer will convince you it was planned all along... But it's going to happen. 2.) Having concern for the people under him and even the world at large, is in character for Roger Maxson and his Brotherhood of Steel. While they weren't knights of the wastes, remember... Roger lead a rebellion against his government, *before the bombs dropped*, because of the horrors of Mariposa and they really didn't go full isolationist until after his death. They also recruited outsiders still, at this point. So nothing is really "out of character". The Brotherhood of Fallout 1 is the Brotherhood after Maxson's death

[@craignellist7277]

And you could argue that elder Lyon’s BOS is the closest we’ve seen iof the original vision of the brotherhood that Rodger Maxon. All the versions of the brotherhood haven’t followed that vision.

[@thecthuloser876]

@Dcard Dcardian That's the thing, though. What's a good and bad retcon is a matter of opinion... Using your 40k example, I'm not a fan of the new necron lore. Like, at all. Sure, they were sort of boring... But at least there wasn't something silly, like a Blood Angels team up. Maxson lead a rebellion. He didn't just desert. He killed people involved with the FEV experiments. Maxson's kid got killed by Viper's since he took off his power armor helmet and thought they would just run when a bunch of dude's in power armor came after them. That doesn't mean they aren't good at fighting. That means they over confident. There's a difference. The Brotherhood didn't get Vertibirds until the Enclave... But that didn't change. The Brotherhood is coming on foot. (Which some people might have an issue with, but I don't find it that hard to believe that trained soldiers with power armor could make it across the country, with casualties, which data leaks have already said they had. And the Brotherhood chapter in Appalachia didn't really sit on it's hands... It was likely one of the most active sects, seeking out technology untile the Scrotched Plauge started hitting hard and they actively worked to try to stop it. I don't know. I find a lot of the hate people have for Bethesda Fallout to be sort of strange, especially when the worst shit in Fallout happened back when Interplay still owned the rights... And while I could understand getting a little annoyed by them feeling they have to put the Brotherhood of Steel into every game, especially when there's more intresting factions... But again, that pre-dated Bethesda and is something the casual player thinks of when they think of Fallout. It might be annoying to the people like us who argue about lore on the internet... But we aren't exactly the majority of Fallout fans.

[@LucyWest370]

The Cthuloser you and I should start a club or something

[@lonewolf9578]

As long as it’s not an MK11 Sindel level of shitty retcon then I’m fine with retcons as long as it works Going with MK again, the retcon of Kabal originally being a cop who left the black dragon was a good retcon. Until MK11 fucked with that too

[@VaultCourier380]

Bethesda: We're developing three DLCs: Tunnel Snakes Rules!, For the Republic (of Dave) and Treeminders

[@zanorakdaggorath6228]

I don’t forget you get to do this with your faithful sidekick Boone that hasn’t even been born yet

[@nukacreeper764]

About the part of why the Brotherhood going to Appalachia to fight the Scorched doesn't make sense, I assure you it's your lack of knowledge of 76 lore. In 76 the Brotherhood of Steel made modified T-51B Power Armor, Ultracite. Along with modified version's of the Laser Rifle, which uses Ultracite. I'm sure with them being obsessed with technology, that would be their main focus and not just fighting to fight. Because those plans died with the Appalachian Brotherhood and are only available to the Dwellers.

[@LucyWest370]

NukaCreeper 76 didn’t they message also say they were going after ATLAS the weather control thing? Yknow, sounds like the brotherhood, who’s job it is to keep insanely powerful technology out of the hands of the wrong people- might want that.

[@LucyWest370]

Billie V. I don’t know what that means, sorry

[@LucyWest370]

Billie V. I’m not saying the brotherhood is right, I’m just stating their ideals. Also that’s a great quote for the situation

[@thedoctor5552]

It makes a lot of sense for the brotherhood to be in Appalachia because there’s a hell of a lot of technology in the Appalachian also there was a distress broadcast from the brotherhood coming from Appalachian. So I guess they picked it up and they’re coming to the rescue and while they’re there setting up shop but also understanding that there is a massive threat waiting for them to be analyzed and documented plus there’s like three active nuke silos so that would be kind of one big reason

[@Kurlija]

12:03 One minor nitpick, the Maxson from the broadcasts is not the same Maxson we see in the first Fallout (that one was born around 2097). Unless you were just comparing the two?

[@wartortlemd]

Why is it when i watch a mantis video, i only get medicare ads?

[@bryanmartinez4932]

I don't know If I feel comfortable with the brotherhoods earliest lore being in fallout 76 of all games. I guess well just have to wait and see if what Bethesda does but I have little hope it will be lore friendly heck them being there at all is already breaking so much but I go by the idea that lore is here to make a game better if this somehow makes the "fallout" experience better in game with little of it I'll be ok with it even if it does bother me.

[@your-username-here2308]

It doesent break anything.

[@bryanmartinez4932]

@@your-username-here2308 As a few people have ponied out the brotherhood has always been a really isolationist groop up until fallout 3. For them to be all the way in west Virginia when they would have started the walk all the way from lost hills just to check up on the original chapter of the West Virginia Brotherhood of steel doesn't really feel like something that they would actually do. Maybe after the events of Fallout 3 could be more open to doing this but only 25 years? Nah this is just another lore break by Bethesda.

[@truelies9187]

Then you are part of the problem, accepting this despite the inconsistencies and allowing Bethesda to get away with it, further tarnishing the series.

[@bryanmartinez4932]

@@truelies9187 As much as I would love to fight it it's just not going to do anything. I've given up on fallout it's just dead to me. No marter how many people get mad at Bethesda they'll just keep going in this direction. It's better to just accept it and move on to different games. Like wasteland 3. For the people still playing fallout 76 I just hope this lore break is worth it. This better bring the dark fallout feel to the game I know in my heart it won't but if it were to I would see no problem in what's left of the fallout 76 community enjoying that type of content. It's not my place to say what they should play so if this improves there game experience then I'm still going to be ok with it because at least someone is having fun with it. As for me I'm moving on form fallout. I would only come back for the Tv show and/ maybe a fallout 5 but even then, 76 might be the last game.

[@your-username-here2308]

@@truelies9187 No you are just talking bullshit. First, there is no problem with anything if it comes to the BoS. There is no retcon and a tion of empty space. Not to mention that they can do whatever they want. I never complained that Obsidian reworked some (and some shitty) ideas from Van buren and put again the NCR in the Game., "whY iS tHe nCr in NevAda ?" Explain me what is different what Maxon did on the Radio while talking to the Appalachian Army Members and what he did in Mariposa and Lost Hills ? It would make no sense that he goes.... "I killed the Dudes at Mariposa, now we just collect tech and thats it" If you get a chance to expand you do it. If you can reach People and convince them from with your new Ideas thats a good thing. Better then leaving the empty Years we dont have any info forever untouched.

[@MortPure]

It's so hard to be a Bethesda's fan, or even play their games.. I wish they would just sell that franchise to someone with passion.

[@your-username-here2308]

They have more passion for the Lore then Obsidian had.

[@GaleOfPeril]

@@your-username-here2308 you high?

[@ufos15630]

@@your-username-here2308 You are a fucking moron

[@darylgifford460]

@@your-username-here2308 What are you smoking and where can I get some?

[@MortPure]

@@your-username-here2308 But Obsidian was mostly made up from BlackIsle Studio's employees... which made Fallout 1/2.

[@nickladson882]

Possible reason to come to WV. Research into how the fissures that scorched beast come though work. It would be great tech to have. Think about it the ability to cover large amounts of ground quickly with no warning to the enemy.

[@makesyouaweapon]

This is actually extremely consistent with Fallout Tactics. In Tactics it was rumored that the people sent east on the airships, ostensibly to "chase down the fleeing Master's Army", were actually dissidents, people who wanted to open the doors to new recruits, to try and help rebuild society. The kind of people Veronica were involved with in New Vegas. The Maxson communication sounds very much like a communication to someone that you've had your issues with, but are now just concerned that they have been quiet and you want to know they are okay.

[@jcrossan1351]

They really shouldn’t have been there in the first place but Bethesda was too lazy to write a new good faction with an interesting backstory

[@freshdarkdreams4810]

This is my issue with it. I really don't care about the lore or anything, I just take issue with lazy writing

[@Flow86767]

This has been an issue since Fallout 3. They took the factions from fallout 1 and 2, (BOS and Enclave, even tough they weren’t supposed to still exist), meshed them in their game, and voila. They did better in terms of “creativity” in Fallout 4 by at least adding new factions, but they were mostly bland and uninteresting. Now, instead of doing some creative thinking and adding something new, they re-use the BOS again.

[@freshdarkdreams4810]

@@Flow86767 the new factions 8n FO4 may have been bland, but at least they were new. I would have really liked to see something new with 76. They have something there with the raiders and responders, but it's a shame that the major conflict is with the 2 most overused, bland factions in the series

[@LucyWest370]

Fresh Dark Dreams Enclave isn’t bland but BoS is getting old. The raiders at the crater are more interesting than any of the other Bethesda factions. Morally grey, interesting, raiders

[@freshdarkdreams4810]

@@LucyWest370 I disagree. They may not be as overused as the BoS, they're still boring, incompetent man babies who only succeed in any capacity out of sheer luck and superior firepower

[@AngelPerez-wg5zq]

Love the content

[@ImperialHell172]

What I heard was that it’s only a squad of 5 and they’re walking the entire way, which isn’t impossible. We know that Elijah’s chapter walked from California to the Mojave which isn’t too far. Then there’s Elder Lyons who walked from California to DC sooo this group of 5 walking all the way to West Virginia isn’t impossible

[@johnd6006]

Atlas observatory was the center of a weather control experiment, it's like them going after the power plant in new Vegas, to get the access to the power plant they had to fight of the NCR, same reason they would need to get rid of the scorched so they can have better access to the observatory

[@erabroadcasts5868]

I'm just not happy with the BoS coming period. God bless America.

[@ZeonicFenrir]

I don’t understand why you find walking so unrealistic, here’s some figures from google maps using some nearby locations for comparison: Lost Hills - Atlas Observatory Lost Hills, CA - Gladwin, WV 2,536 mi/4,081.3 km - 34d 13hr (walking) For context, in the OG FO the Vault Dweller could walk in one trip a distance that would require almost a week in real life: The Glow - Mariposa Military Base Henry W. Coe State Park - Anza Borrego State Park 495 mi/796.6 km - 6d 18hr (walking) I used this map for reference: www.google.com/mymaps/viewer?mid=1GP3QtQFvcDiezEVWJ-VnteAULXs&hl=es_419 The last encoded transmission gives us a time frame of 3 months since lost of communications with Lost Hills, so that’s almost 3 times as much time as needed as per the aforementioned information.

[@evilcouchpotato6875]

I think the Brotherhood viewed the Scorched threat as a global extinction level event, if left unchecked This explains their motive to send such a large force into an environment that wouldn't yield them much technology that they normally prioritize in their expeditions. My personal wish storywise from this expansion, is that this 1st expeditionary force that's being sent into Appalachia, is a remnant of Marine/Army Recon units, using gnarly tactics and gear to cross the wasteland on foot. Since Taggerdy was wrapped up in loads of Rangers lore, I'm looking forward to seeing if there is a bunch of west coast tidbits we can get from the new BoS NPC's and terminals!

[@aresmonarch711]

From what I remember reading terminals in Atlas it was able, or trying to be, to manipulate weather patterns.

[@warlikebiscuit9113]

Im personally more pissed about the Super Mutants being in Virginia then anything.

[@mcrstan]

Maybe Arktos Pharma had FEV experiments... I'm doubtful but it's food for thought

[@ravynbr]

@@mcrstan westek used a town up the road as a testing site and put fev in the water. There's a lot of terminal entries about it if you explore the area.

[@vllskittlesllv5505]

@@mcrstan West tek was poisoning Huntersville with the FEV virus before the war... That's why the super mutants are in 76. The Huntersville mutants were the first ones in Appalachia.

[@newzealanddeeksealant4369]

In my mind, this game isn’t cannon. It makes it possible to sleep at night

[@greenhowie]

Nobody appreciates that brotherhood of steel let you play as a ghoul when no other games did...

[@danielboatright8887]

The good endings of Fallout, and the mention in Fallout 2 of the NCR state of Maxson always had me thinking the BOS had semi joined the NCR by Fallout 2, if only as the guys helping with tech as the NCR rebuilds. As for pre Fallout 1 BOS disporia, the BOS was the survivors of Maxsons Army unit (he was probably a company commander, possibly batallion) and their families who survived to reach the lost hills bunker, so it could make sense to have more survivors of the US Army form something similar, especially if it turned out Maxson and friends of his all had discussed a similar idea for a shit hits the fan scenario prior to the bombs falling, each group would evolve differently but if they were all operating off of a similar or identical doctrine (codex) then they may have evolved along a similar path, of course having more than one or two groups that survive as a meaningful power via this method would be pushing it. Bethesdas problem is they just dont get the setting.

[@ashtondoublet8334]

The real reason Bethesda doesn't want to bring the Legion, ncr, and khans into 76 is because they know that Fallout 1, 2, and New Vegas are better games

[@GaleOfPeril]

It's not personal, there are purely economic reasons for bringing the BOS, power armor, vertibirds etc. as flagship things to get the attention of a casual player. We have seen some game studios trying to write original stories and new factions with their own motivations, and then got closed down not because of the ratings, but because how it went for them on the market (*cough* Telltale *cough*). It's pretty clear that FO76 is seen by the Bethesda & Zenimax primarily as a source of funds for their ongoing & future game projects. You would understand that Bethesda prioritizes the series that they have originated and developed for decades long before Fallout - TES.

[@ashtondoublet8334]

@@GaleOfPeril ok yes that makes sense

[@brwnman1990]

As someone who has played all but tactics, I could care less. At this point if you are still taking anything from 76 as cannon that's you're issue. We have been told a number of times 76 is non cannon think of it as Todd's dumb fanfiction P.S I actually play 76 and find it enjoyable as some dumb fallout fun. If I want pure fallout story and gameplay, i play fallout 2.

[@BlackTestament7]

No one from bethesda has stated 76 is non-canon. Pete Hines, unless he backtracked recently, specifically stated it was canon in an interview about the atom shop like a month into release and was cosigned by Todd Howard a week later. If it was non-canon, you'd see little to no videos on it.

[@xXJIJIPONGXx]

As for the vertibirds; how tricky would it be to either modify the vertibots that are all over, since the brotherhood are so tech-savy, or get some pre-war vertibirds analysed for new blueprints, since there are crashed ones all over?

[@jonwashburn7999]

Thanks. Was waiting for this.

[@Honu_Ryder]

Untrue. Datamined info had the scouting party lead by Romani was tasked w/collecting tech throughout the continent and Atlas Observatory was their last stop. All pre Bethesda fanboys are buthurt by how the brotherhood was portraits in 76? You have to remember you only seen a snapshot of how they were centuries apart. Ideals can change over time.

[@jmanmoney5676]

Maybe fighting the scorched is a front, a Convenient pretense, after all the previous brotherhood stationed there helped the people [ before they got desperate and basically started ransacking Appalachia] the newly arriving BOS say they’re to “help” and easily enter the region without facing hostility, while they are really there for the technology, (nukes, west Tek, etc.) also Appalachia was relatively untouched by the nukes they have Forest, mining and vast natural resources (even the foundation said the soil is rich compared to other places hit by the nukes) it would be the perfect place to gather resources and build, making it ideal for a brotherhood stronghold

[@Fleetish]

How are enemies level 1 and stuff for you? I thought the game scaled with your level

[@xXJIJIPONGXx]

Whilst not mentioned, fighting the scorched is, in my opinion, a huge thing that the brotherhood would obviously want to do. A dangerous disease that sucks life into a destructive hive-mind? That is also sat on a load of ultracite that the brotherhood do know about? They want to get back there because of what they could do with the resources!

[@memelotti]

Bit late to the party, but you can find some crashed BOS vertibirds in fo76, but in my opinion it makes sense. The original BOS members are litterally the soldiers who served in pre war america, it makes sense that some of them have the skill to pilot one and the knowledge to where to find one. But there may be 3-4 ones, so it makes sense that they don't entirely use them

[@jacantu10]

Fallout 76, "it just works!" The 5 W's: Who, What, When, Where, and Why... Who's coming? -- Everyone! What?! When? -- Very soon! Where are they headed? -- Appalachia! Why...? -- Because it just works damn it!

[@wanekiacook9257]

From Los Angeles to Appalachian Mountains is a 33 day hike nonstop. Assuming they go straight from the L.A. area and head straight east, not stopping for an extended period of time only to sleep and short rest breaks. It's possible for them to reach the east coast in 2 months. If they're really dedicated, they can make it their in just over a month.

[@kyloren8716]

I think one thing your not taking in mind is Atlas itself, it holds a device that can change weather, even to dangerous levels(catastrophe levels)

[@The_Very_Tall_Midget]

I want whatever gun you're holding so bad, plasma minigun looks amazing

[@Cam-qf6mx]

The first Maxson reaches out to one if his close friends, Taggerdy, and convinces her and her thunder to become part of a new brotherhood of steel. She agrees and establishes a foothold in Appalachia after the nukes drop

[@Morbacounet]

Fallout 5 : you go into space to fight space super mutants and you find a BoS outpost headed by another elder Maxson.

[@element1111]

Funny you should mention space. That was the original plan for fallout van buren, the fallout 3 of the original devs that never was. In the end, you would board a space shuttle and dock with a space station to prevent a mad scientist enacting a 2nd nuclear holocaust, although you would then have the option to use the nukes to target specific factions of your own choosing

[@vllskittlesllv5505]

Is the issue with the BoS who are on their way, or the BoS who were already in the game?

[@bruhmomento1825]

One of the last things the Appalachia brotherhood said is that the scorched plague is a possible extension event and later the brotherhood lost contact and that’s a big red flag for the lost hills brotherhood. And they probably would build vertibirds in Appalachia because the Appalachian brotherhood had access to vertibirds

[@iainscott8836]

I think you could fit the brotherhood in as a separate organisation with no idea of the california group. You could do this via a vault tec social experiment with twins and are exposed to exactly the same conditions separately

[@gypsyjr1371]

Well, the NCR is in Boston area in FO4, so I guess anything is possible. I guess they left or were all killed or something because they don't seem to be physically present by the time the sole survivor leaves vault 111. And of course the BOS show up in Boston complete with Elder Maxson and the airship. In Outcasts and Remnants, Sarah Lyons points out to Maxson that he brought the primary asset of the BOS (the airship) to a place where any old drunk raider with a missile launcher could take it out from a rooftop. But that isn't cannon, unless it is....... because it uses a lot of dialogue and quest fragments which Bethesda didn't activate when they shipped FO4.

[@DCPTF2]

From what i understand talking to people who have looked into the PTR files, this Paladin lady might be having a really bad case of either Survivor syndrome or PTSD, it seems like her mission originally was going to be "ok that eastern thing was a wash let's send some people down there load up some trucks and with as much as we can carry and high tail it home" but along the way basically her entire team got wiped out save about 3 people and is less like a Lyons and more like a Brandis (that guy from fallout 4 in the bunker) and the reason she has broken contact is not out of some misgivings with the Brotherhood but a massive guilt in getting a ton of people killed due to a lack of experience leading. honestly if that is the story they are going with count me in to see how it plays out

[@DOOMSLAYER1376]

what i guess is that Paladin Rahmani is sent to secure the Auto-Reconstructive Missile silos, as we know them (Silo Alpha, Bravo and Charlie) so they can have an upper hand against any uprising force possible that threatens them, so what i think is that Roger gave this task to a person he knew and trusted personally (Leila Rahmani, Probably his love interest ?) but since Leila saw that Roger;s intends are unethical, so she is betraying her comman and is coming to setup some defense to rebel against the coming forces of BOS, and then you get to decide wich faction to side with the newcoming Roger Maxson BOS to take control of the silos or rebel against them with Rahmani

[@WintersFinalstand]

At the same time, there are more then 1 group of people in the wasteland. The ones in 76 were there to begin with. And they spoke with lost bills and joined up over radio. Kinda makes sense.

[@klausklaus504]

Ironically I was just thinking of this

[@mothmoth4413]

In Fallout one with some convincing the Brotherhood helped fight the super mutants because they saw the threat they posed. Is it a stretch to say they would after hearing from the West Virginian brotherhood about the scorched that they would see the scorched as a threat that they need to deal with.