Why are Young People so Pro-Palestine?

[@TLDRnewsGLOBAL]

CORRECTIONS: At 4:30, the labels on the graph are wrong: the blue line represents Democrat sentiment, while the red line represents Republican sentiment. Apologies for this sloppy error, and hope you nonetheless enjoyed the video!

[@Vundeq]

You guys seriously need to hire a few QA people who just watch the video and report errors before it goes live

[@prunabluepepper]

You got your ages wrong.

[@AudibleFist]

I call this a Brit moment

[@earthwormscrawl]

The whole "red/blue" issue is a mess. It's always been the red for the left (democrats) and blue for the right (republicans) because "Red" is the color used by leftist, i.e. communist and socialist, societies. This was the standard color association for everyone, and still is outside of the US. A number of years ago, the mainstream media decided that Americans were too stupid to figure this out and changed red to mean republicans because they both started with "R". This is a super easy mistake for content produced outside of the US. I'm an American and I still associate red with the left (the red scare), but I'm 63 years old and remember when my countrymen were held to higher mental standards.

[@jaywalkra]

For such a big error, this should be taken down and re-uploaded.

[@tpd1864blake]

I just think it’s funny that regardless of which side you support, people call you racist either way

[@WisomofHal]

The realest comment. 😂

[@SirReginaldBlomfield1234]

So what does that matter ?

[@WisomofHal]

@@SirReginaldBlomfield1234 What kind of question is that?

[@fader1912]

But one side is actually protesting for peace whilst the other is not… so one is right and the other isnt

[@saundyuk]

@@fader1912 Are they protesting for peace? Or are they just pro-Palestine and want a ceasefire so Hamas can rebuild and slaughter another 1300 innocents as their own leader has said they will, given the opportunity? Gen Z white protesters may be protesting for 'peace' - but the rest of them are chanting 'from the river to the sea'...

[@grahamlewis267]

I think it's worth noting that older generations can remember Isreal being attacked by its neighbours. They viewed it as a plucky David. Most youngsters have grown up watching well armed men on tanks firing at kids throwing stones. For them, Israel looks like Goliath.

[@ForceOfWill100]

I like this metaphor. Also worth noting that things do change, the U.S. used to be the "plucky" upstarts against the British ourselves! The only thing that concerns me is that for many people, any criticism of the governments involved (either one) is equated to racism, which is a huge barrier to open and honest conversation.

[@ramsesrhodes6241]

Whats funny, is that Palestine is the modern name for Phillistine and Israel obvioulsy Israel. Its so weird and ironic

[@jesus_lizard_mu]

Philistine is not the old name for palestine its just in arabic as there is no P in arabic@@ramsesrhodes6241

[@oriayacov9217]

​@@ramsesrhodes6241 Its NOT weird and ironic! Palestine called like that to moke israelis by rome.

[@jhern083]

This sums up the optics pretty perfectly

[@fs5762]

I think it's important to point out the wording in the questions in the polls. A lot of them ask about support for Hamas, not Palestine. Most people who support Palestine don't necessarily support Hamas.

[@EveryoneWhoUsesThisTV]

Indeed, and most who feel support for Israel don't support Netanyahu... He's effectively been a dictator since 2009 somewhere, and HAMAS haven't had elections since 2006. It's easy to feel sorry for the ordinary people caught up in the narcissism of their elected(?) psychopathic leaders. Something we all need to avoid happening in our own countries too....

[@tay_paradox]

yeah its bc Israeli lobbying. the narrative is to conflate the two: all palestinians are hamas gives them justification

[@RagingFlamesRedGuyAttitude]

Unfortunately, that's what morons like TheDailyWire, PragerU, & Douglas Murray mislead their supporters on. Not like those same guys even care for Palestinians at all anyways. We see corporate Dems even agreeing with fascist Republicans on to giving Israel weapons to attack civilians from both sides in Gaza. Hamas is doing doing genocide on civilians as well, but unfortunately, Israel is so defended hardcore to a point where it feels like their is no sympathy towards innocent Palestinian hostages the same way the centrist & conservative media claim they care about Israeli lives.

[@jaiarrhea3415]

@@maeiyaayou just said a whole lotta nothing

[@aspengreen4319]

@@maeiyaa I despise hamas, but I can sympathize with Palestinians who are victims of hamas or Israeli government

[@isaiahkoufos3573]

It’s so frustrating that every little thing has to become left or right. It’s so much more complicated than that but the big guys in charge have drilled it in over a hundred years that you’re either conservative or you’re liberal and that’s how everything else in the world works too

[@pawejurczenko2928]

well if you also hate the liberal - conservative divide, which is propelled by the ruling class, you should check out marxism. The difference between conservatives and liberals is so small that us, leftists dont really bother to differinciate

[@buisnessbandit]

liberalism is literally on the political right an actual leftist who isnt just a moderate often identifies as a socialist

[@DaryxFox]

The Democrat Party is the controlled opposition, so to speak. If there wasn't a party to oppose far right ideas and give lip service to social democratic ones, it would be lot more obvious how little control we have. Of course if you're paying to attention and comparing what politicians on both sides say verses what they do, it's still pretty obvious. In reality, the US is closer to a fascist state: privatization of traditionally government services, imperialism, hyper-patriotism, and militant anti-communism.

[@charonisaworld]

thats because in Capitalism this is the dichotomy between mankind... If you support Israel, and have the minimum knowledge about history, you're conservative/liberal

[@dakalodk]

in America u mean ?

[@AKen_Films]

I feel it should be made clear that being pro Palestine is NOT the same as being pro Hamas! The atrocities Hamas has committed are horrific and Isrial’s answers are also horrific. This is ultimately about allowing Palestine as a people to exist and for all people to recognize the legitimacy of each other’s narrative.

[@thez5997]

@@bartandaelus359 plurality in 2006, 50 percent of the population was not alive in 2006, there was a calculation that only 15 person of the population tha voted for hamas is still alive and that is not an excuse the alternative was a corrupt israeli puppet,using this logic American citizens deserve to die cause they vote bush? it makes no sense

[@hubble5755]

​@@bartandaelus359 The majority of Palestinians living under that regime today were not even alive yet during that election. Also the Hamas back then proclaimed to be pro-democratic while the only other viable party, the Fatah, wasn't the better choice at all. And even then, the Hamas never got a majority of the votes even back in 2006. It was a plurality. What a weird point to make.

[@Doogie2K3]

@@bartandaelus359 Nearly 20 years ago. The median age in Palestine before the war is about 18, meaning most Palestinians are children. How many people over 35 are there now, do you think? Of whom 44% of those WHO VOTED voted for Hamas? And that's before pointing out that collective punishment is still A Bad Thing.

[@KR-us9pj]

Mmm. Don’t forget who elected Hamas into power.

[@hubble5755]

@@KR-us9pj See my comment above, or the one by Doogie2K3. To add to that, what makes you think that punishing civilians for the faults of their government is a justified act, in general? Don't throw everyone under the same bus.

[@zaakknight]

One of the biggest reasons I think it has changed from previous conflicts, it's that now with social media there are way more videos/photos/info of people in distress because of the war. Things the established media doesn't show us on TV because of mature/graphic content. Which, I believe it creates empathy towards them.

[@Walkdplankfrank]

Dude you think young people have empathy for civilians in war zones. Don't

[@athalarahmanjauhari4135]

​@@Walkdplankfrankand you think that applies to everyone younger?

[@Robzabest25]

so this means there is no active target of hamas but only innocent bombings of gazan civillians ?

[@theaveragecomment1014]

@@Walkdplankfrank..are you projecting? Why wouldn’t people care about people in war zones? I don’t understand

[@jens5906]

Also media showed us single buildings lightly damaged in Ukraine, and I was like "this is bad, Russia should not do this". Now they show whole citys completely destroyed, maybe one civilian building barely standing and the media is like "yeah this is fine and necessary, this time you should side with the country targeting civilians, because who knows one of those might have been Hamas".

[@kronus4915]

It’s interesting that you looked at ethnic backgrounds in America but not in Europe, I assume it’s because that data wasn’t available but I think it’s a pretty telling factor. In the US ethnic minorities are Hispanic or Black, while in Europe they’re mostly people from the Middle East. I think that would be a significant reason for Europe’s more pro Palestine stance.

[@fusssel7178]

also a lot of european countries don't differentiate between ethnicities.

[@kronus4915]

@@fusssel7178 yea, it’s illegal to collect ethnic data in France for example

[@StormShadowHarris]

Speaking as a white British under-30 living in London, I can definitely see that affecting the data, but I don't think it *explains* the data. In other words, even if Britain was 100% white, I still think the younger generation would be significantly pro-Palestine.

[@whatisahandle_69]

The easiest explanation is because young people have inherited a shitty status quo and they want to dismantle it.

[@AcousticUplift]

I believe it's incorrect to say that in Europe that most non-white populations are from the ME. Plus, you don't have to be from that region to be Pro-Palestine. For example, some, if not many, Afrodescendants like myself see the struggle for Palestinian liberation as concomitant with other anti-colonial struggles. More widely, this is seen as part of the broader anti-racism movement.

[@lead_sommelier]

I really dont like the phrasing of the questions on those polls you cited. I dont think there's an issue with your analysis but asking "do you support israel or hamas" can be pretty misleading

[@ramdomperson921]

I agree, the issue is complex and some people dont treat it like a football team like saying which do you support then two sports teams.

[@dannieee333]

I agree, from hundreds of pro palestinian people/activists and demonstrators i know NONE likes Hamas, they just want justice for palestinians

[@killer_piranha99x4]

isn’t Hamas in control of the gaza strip

[@nickcorne6407]

well then it's a problem that there even is any support for Hamas

[@noobymooby-ty8gh]

​@@killer_piranha99x4 They are, but the thing is, Israel is attacking the West bank too, which hamas isn't in control of.

[@MminaMaclang]

The older generations have a collective remembrance of the Holocause and the atrocities against Jews, and therefore lived a long time where anti-semitism was a big issue in their society. The younger generation lived through 9/11, and US's wars in the Middle East, and so Islamophobia was the big societal issue that their generation was more cognizant of. I frequently hear older people say that Hamas is "anti-semitic"--they literally are killing Jews. But for the younger generations, what they see is an ethnic cleansing/genocide of Palestinian Arabs, violence at Mosques, and removal/limiting of rights. Millennials also see this as a race issue, by some conversations I've seen online. And so, it hits closer to home for them and to what societal issues they've cared about these past two decades.

[@jahason01]

But the very older generation who experienced and thankfully survived Holocaust are also speaking out against Israel. This generation also witnessed the racism against Jews by British establishment that did not wish to welcome them as refugees to Britain. Reluctantly only letting Jewish children enter.

[@alinadolzhenko6963]

that's bold to assume that Holocaust survivors who do not support Israel government's decisions like Gabor Mate to not have memories of Holocoust

[@stratospheric37]

When antisemitism was a big issue in society people were more anti Jewish than pro Jewish in general, that's what a society with an antisemitism problem is. They weren't pro Israel because they liked Jews, they were so antisemitic they screwed up efforts at rescuing Jewish refugees from Europe. The thing with Gen Z is that they weren't adults during 9/11, and some don't remember it at all. So when they became capable of having political opinions, they came to more leftist positions than their "support the troops" predecessors. Now that they're adults they have access to the internet and watch less traditional news sources like TV News.

[@rickstansby2284]

Before 10/7 Gen-Z was more likely to have heard about events like the March for Return protests than suicide bombers and hijackings of the 70s and 80s. Their opinions were more formed by acts of oppression by Israel against generally peaceful Palestinian protesters. Older generations are more likely to remember, and be influenced by, terrorist attacks.

[@plasmakitten4261]

Both of those things are happening. Hamas is a genocidal terrorist group; Israel is a genocidal imperialist state. They just happen to disagree on who should die.

[@matmonti24]

Those polling questions were ridiculous!!! “Do you stand with Israel or Hamas?” “Should the US stand with Israel or Hamas” “are Israel justified in attacking Hamas” young people are PRO-PALESTINE, not Pro-Hamas, those questions were purposefully trying to get people to condemn Hamas and support Israel and Young people just aren’t falling for it.

[@crazydragy4233]

Exactly! I'm surprised more people are not pointing out. Palestine /= Hamas. That framing is so disingenuous

[@ilonacsordas4250]

Was Hamas elected by the Martians in 2007 and having been kept in power since then?

[@Zoeila]

​@@ilonacsordas4250that's sophistry and you know it

[@loosfoos]

​@@ilonacsordas4250in 2007? You mean 16 years ago? While the median age of Palestinians is 19yo? Please tell me how this makes sense.

[@ezioauditore7636]

​​@@ilonacsordas4250Hamas at the time was a pro-democratic party that advocated for a peaceful resolution with Israel, condemning any terrorist attacks on Israel as well. Additionally, the alternative party was embroiled in corruption. More than half of Palestinians weren't born when the election took place either.

[@Brookecannotcook]

I am neither pro Israel or pro Palestine. I do not support Hamas or the Israeli government. I am supporting the children, the pregnant women, the elderly. Whether that be on the Palestinian side or Israel side. I am pro innocent children and civilians.

[@cherishyards1483]

你支持谁都一样，反正只是表达了除了实际帮助以外的帮助。

[@somker-zw1mg]

yeah peace

[@ellismail7196]

i hope you do your search to find out how many child has israel killed since 7 oct or even before like in 2014 or 2002 ....

[@epicchocolate1866]

If you don’t support Palestine then you are on the side of the colonizer. Sorry but you’re evil

[@ahmedob.17]

Oh then stay at home and enjoy your Meal. Because always in a war there are no innocent civilians these are consequences of wars for centuries

[@carstengrooten3686]

I also think that WW2 had a great influence on how the West sees ethnic Jews. Due to the holocaust a lot of people believed Israel deserved and needed western support, but as WW2 slowly becomes less relevant, younger generations focus on Israels actions in the present.

[@carstengrooten3686]

In my opinion too, the compensation for the suffering of one people, should not be the cause of suffering for another. At some point you have to leave the past behind and focus on today. And the Israeli state denies the Palestinians from a right to existance, which imo can never be justified. Neither party has conducted themselves well, but the Palestinian stance is more undetstandable to me. Especially considering Israel is actively blocking a solution and they just keep fighting to dominate all of Palestine.

[@jonathanrotem251]

​@@carstengrooten3686Israel offered peace and statehood to the Palestinians many times over, they always said no because they want Israel gone. Talk to Palestinians in the West Bank, most of them are not willing to compromise about this.

[@abduking.]

​@@jonathanrotem251nope they've always taken the most fertile profitable land whilst given the palistians the literal desert dooming palistian to a shit economy

[@e31174]

It's only the most fertile land because Israeli people worked really hard to make it the most fertile land. When Israel was created they were given the same desert. Israel in it's formative years focused on nation building while Palestine during the same era focused on retaking the land that was just given to the Jewish people. Palestine along with other Arab nations tried and failed to quash Israel but they all failed and now Israel has prosperity while it's neighbor in Palestine doesn't. @@abduking.

[@lightlysaltedtaco4786]

​@jonathanrotem251 "here's the deal Palestinian, we get the 20% of land which is arable and economically viable in gaza and the west back so you can get the rest, now isn't that a good deal"

[@JoanneWhitlock]

I think there is a problem with the questions referring interchangeably to pro hamas or pro Palestine, many people see them as different.

[@sleezysim1228]

They are different?

[@jhonatancock2302]

hamas is the elected and defacto goverment in gaza since 2006.

[@From-North-Jersey]

The palistinians voted to put hammas terrorists in charge, there is no difference between hamas and palestine.

[@sleezysim1228]

@@jhonatancock2302 Hamas stopped election once they were voted into power. There was this deleted statement by Abbas that Hamas does not represent Palestine.

[@merlin5849]

It's important to differentiate between the terrorists and Palestinian civilians but let's not forget the Palestinians chose hamas and most of them support them so you can understand the generalization

[@Rain_MG]

The prevalence of social media means that real people share their experiences, among these people are Palestinians, they share their real suffering, and people close to what is happening share their suffering, not media. A video filmed on a phone by someone seeing their home destroyed is more convincing than someone talking on TV.

[@s.b.662]

Exactly. It's one thing when you hear numbers of children killed by IOF it's another thing seeing right before your eyes a heartless soldier kicking a five year old who lays on the ground. Seeing how settlers kill and terrorise while soldier stand by and laugh. I will never forget these images and I will Stand with Palestine until it's free!

[@celia5957]

I feel like young people look at numbers a lot and think “okay there are more deaths on this one, so the other group is in the wrong” but the fact is that this war VERY this one is complicated and understanding the entire history both politically and religiously is very important. There are many factors and parties in this war, it is not just numbers. Throwing around terms and words like “genocide, colonialism, ethnic cleaning, settlers” and much more doesn’t make it any more true. They see these terms online in regards to the war and think that they’re real but I doubt that they know what they mean. Blindly calling out genocide and saying phrases like from the river to sea without knowing what they even mean just because people online are doing it. The exact same thing goes for those supporting Hamas aka terrorism. They don’t know what it means or what they stand for. The Hamas doesn’t care abt the Palestinians and contrary to a privileged white American woman living in complete safety, no it’s not resistance. Yes it’s sad when you see those videos but there’s a lot more to the war than just those videos and it’s not true that they’re heartless soldiers just doing it bc they feel like it. The children that have died are because of the bombs.

[@celia5957]

@@s.b.662that’s false

[@s.b.662]

@@celia5957 Yeah beating up children is flase. Making excuses for beating up children is false. And supporting people who beat up children is false. I agree with that

[@s.b.662]

@@celia5957 Sorry but I think I will go with the Lemkin Institute for Genocide Prevention and their expertise instead of yours. You can choose to stay silent but that makes you complicit

[@alexq.8696]

The thing with gen z’s really is most of them supporting any social issue is just for show. To seem morally superior, theyd quickly forget when a new social issue arises and they can focus on that next.

[@toedrag-release]

They also lack any nuance to any issue everything is black and white to them

[@mistress.villaina7591]

this is 💯 true

[@asielhetsberger9547]

If this is true, would you care to explain the reasons behind the billions of dollars in revenue that Starbucks lost due to the Pro-Palestine boycotts? Is this also "for show?"

[@toedrag-release]

@@asielhetsberger9547 and yet Starbucks is still open and the lines are still long

[@spicysalad4140]

Because "pro-Palestine" activism is still the fad.@@asielhetsberger9547

[@JaysenTC]

Are these polls maybe biased by using the terms Hamas compared to palestine? Probably most people stand with Israel instead of Hamas but stand with palestine instead of israel

[@garystu9878]

It would be interesting if they made a poll where “Israel” is replaced with “Likud” or “Netanyahu” or “the IDF” instead.

[@davidtodd3401]

The Palestinians voted in Hamas and I've yet to hear a single Palestinian condemn Hamas' actions or call for the release of hostages so they war will stop. They just want Israel to give up so they can commit genocide against the Jews the way they've been trying to since Israel reclaimed the land.

[@theblackswordsman9951]

And yet a lot of young people still think Israel aren't justified in wiping out Hamas, a group that wants to destroy Israel and it's people lol. Young people are more propagandised than i thought

[@zeccy337]

Poll is definitely biased, not a single person stands with Hamas, people are just against Israel and their blatant disregard for human lives. It's the media that insists on using Hamas as a scapegoat because it's the only way they can even attempt to justify the genocide of thousands of Palestinians. Israel bombing numerous hospitals is inexcusable but push the narrative that those hospitals are filled with terrorist and suddenly it's okay. So that's the story they're rolling with. Schools filled with missiles, hospitals where doctors are terrorists, churches full of guns, refugee camps riddled with missile launchers

[@ThatBasedGuy]

Only 1 out of like 10 graphs shown used Hamas instead of Palestine

[@semioticapocalypse9774]

I'm troubled by the lack of distinction between Palestine and Hamas here. This is a common trend across most media, even the social media mentioned. I also struggle to find the large numbers of pro-Palestine sentiment mentioned here, seeing mostly support and exaggerated outrage at anyone who isn't supporting Israel. Those who don't do the latter tend, in my experience, to do what's being done here and tacitly conflate the Palestine with the terrorists.

[@kev492001]

If you are pro-Palestine, you are pro-Hamas, they are pretty much the same thing, the Palestinians support Hamas, just like Turkey, Jordan, Qatar, Iran, Saudi Arabia are all pro-Hamas/terrorism.

[@nicywailey157]

💯

[@yowifeinmydm1609]

In my opinion it’s the other way around. Hamas is getting literally all of the blame at least in Europe while Palestinian civilians are not mentioned at all. We have seen the images of hostages being dragged around the city and how ordinary civilians were hitting, spitting and desecrating them. Furthermore it’s known that the majority of civilians supports Hamas, do celebrate every death of jews and radicalise their children from a young age. They allowed them to build those tunnel systems under hospitals, schools, kindergartens and leaving there armoury in those buildings. Every year the Hamas is growing and gaining aprox. 2000 - 3500 new terrorists. These are all children of family’s who usually completely support their decisions. The civilians are definitely to blame and not innocent.

[@manoschaniotakis3328]

I sympathise with Palestinians, however Hamas is their government so even though its kind of their dictatorship now, they are still not completely two different entities.

[@johnjames502]

Hamas and palestine are one and the same

[@Reaper7963]

I am glad you actually acknowledge how demographic changes effects politics

[@julianshepherd2038]

Affects but yeah

[@osheridan]

🤓 Affects*

[@BlackDoveNYC]

I knew this was the case but wondered if it’d be acknowledged.

[@VandalAudi]

Uhhhh, isn't it obvious? The only one who doesn't follow this rule is North Korea.

[@readisgooddewaterkant7890]

cool profile picture

[@matt__________631]

Its pretty sad how highly nuanced and complicated issues are framed to have a clear left-wing, right-wing disctintion causing individuals to side with thier political counterparts, rather than indepently research, understand and formulate a view on the issue.

[@BigJiad]

What’s complicated about it? The evangelicals, jews, and corporations made a deal that would benefit them all, create a jewish country in the middle east. Now ask yourself this? Did the Palestinians deserve this and living in a prison for 70 years with a dash of genocide here and there? If no, congratulations you’re a human being!

[@54032Zepol]

Yeup, Israel is right.

[@antman7673]

I don’t think everyone should be required to research every topic. The media is at fault for not conveying nuance. -They have one job.

[@abadirabdo10]

Nothing is complicated about it. If you can build Apethied wall and then arm a violent settlers. Then you are the bad guys

[@ericbondurant]

@@54032Zepolright about what? Just murdering 4k kids?

[@caster863]

People have nothing better to do. There are worse conflicts in the world rn (looking at you Sudan) yet people waste their time looking at a conflict that barely affects them.

[@6iaZkMagW7EFs]

How many dollars has the US sent Israel? Over 300 billion! How many Palestinians have died in the most recent war on Gaza? Over 40 thousand! I live in the US. Those who live in the US and Germany should care because their governments are complicit.

[@UtkuKaanYıldız]

correct

[@CrystalArtest]

Another reason: the Palestinian people have documented what is going on on the ground in real time. So people outside of Palestinian can see a none mainstream media perspective of the situation. It makes the situation feel less far away and more visceral

[@duovigintillongaming3779]

Maybe that's why I'm pro Israel, I follow news, see analysis etc. but never see stuff like photographs of the actual warzone. To me war is just arrows and lines on a map😅 hence my opinions are entirely based on a purely academic understanding of the war with emotions not playing a large role.

[@miseendriste6337]

@@duovigintillongaming3779 You could have a purely academic understanding of war like Ilan Pappe, Norman Finkelstein and Edward Said and be pro palestinian. Was their academic contribution rooted in emotions?

[@lancetheking7524]

Commenting incase smth brews

[@hiushiko]

@@duovigintillongaming3779 purely academic understanding? Stop kidding yourself

[@abumefak2]

Watching social media stories from both sides showed who is really the victim in this conflict ,and who is really suffering and has been suffering for a very long of time , time were never been put the light on in traditional media.

[@redstoneactive6589]

One part of that pole is kind of interesting at 3:36. It compares standing with Israel in opposition to standing with Hamas, which doesn't seem to be the common sentiment. Young people tend to dislike Hamas, but stand with the Palestinians. And have been going to great lengths to separate the two. As Hamas is basically a terrorist group, while the Palestinians are an oppressed people.

[@locallyringedspace3190]

Meanwhile, Isreal is doing everything in their power to make sure as many Palestinians join Hamas as possible.

[@hollow9846]

exactly this

[@ayushnayak4060]

what is a palestinian?? there is no historical justification for muslim arabs to claim all of the area. Palestine was the name the romans used cuz they hated jewish rebels and jewish monotheism.

[@millycakeck]

just said my thoughts out loud! i also found it weird when they compared israel and hamas

[@mundt_]

yeah that question was not framed well and they could of chosen to highlight other questions even from that same poll, or chosen to show similar questions from other polls

[@aurelspecker6740]

I have difficulties about "pro Palestine" and "pro Israel". I am both, against Hamas AND against Netanyahus government. But I am completely neutral when it comes to the people. No matter if it is gonna be a "one state" or "two state" solution. As soon as the ruling people will get their shit together and manage to live peacefully and democratic with each other, the majority on both sides won't care. Unfortunately, at the moment and for the last years, both ruling "elites" benefited by further escalating the situation.

[@Saphira-Seraphina]

Woah, thank you. I don't have a completely formed opinion yet, but I agree with your statement!

[@violetraven9440]

same it's pretty much two groups of nazis who think they are the superior people and kill civilians israil is more powerful so they have just done more

[@RealLargeManTheGiantOne]

Pro palestine does NOT mean pro hamas

[@matejkacmar325]

​@@RealLargeManTheGiantOneso what does it mean? Palestines dont fight, but they democratically elected Hamas...

[@RealLargeManTheGiantOne]

@@matejkacmar325 over 70% percent of the palestinian population was too young to vote when hamas got elected, and Israel funded Hamas to push out the more moderate palestinian parties.

[@DioBrando_Sama]

I am Pro Palestine and Anti-Hamas. I am Pro Israel in terms of self-defense and Anti-Netanjahu in terms of governmental power. It can be so simple and yet people have to make everything into a political sheme...

[@EastGuitarWorks]

The available alternative source of news and media as you mentioned is probably the biggest factor. The generations before did not have that kind of alternative media and therefore being fed all their information by their main news outlet, whether it is true of false. Alternative media today is a double edge sword. You see both sides and make your own decisions but algorithms create an echo chamber and whichever side you start leaning towards, you get more and more of that content which eventually erases the views on the other side. Its important to understand your sources and not fall into echo chambers.

[@chodoboy]

Social media is often just as bad if not worse than traditional media. Short propaganda riddled messages without nuance. Long discussion and deep understanding don't come from Twitter and TicTok which is where young people get most of their "news".

[@EastGuitarWorks]

@@chodoboy you can find them if you bother looking. Which is why i said its a double edge sword. But at least you have 2 sides to compare and make your own decision. If someone bases their decisions on purely short useless/biased snippets, they are not smart

[@EastGuitarWorks]

Better than only having 1 source of information which you dont have an opposing view to question. Unless that media is 100% trustable but in my opinion, everything is biased in their own way. You make the decision yourself and dont let others make them for you

[@David-sl6xf]

The problems is that "alternative media" really isn't that much better than "mainstream media" when it comes to propaganda and misinformation. You'll probably get different perspectives, but I am quite skeptical that people who get their news from Twitter, TikTok and social media are somehow more informed than someone who watches CNN all day. In fact I would argue it's very likely the opposite is true.

[@EastGuitarWorks]

@@David-sl6xf I partly agree with you, its not better nor worse. I just feel that its better to have multiple sources of information, that way, we can make up our own minds. We are both having this conversation because we both watched a youtube video (which i'd consider an alternative source of information as well). Im glad to be able to have these conversations because its always important to put yourself in the opposing shoes. We would not be having a conversation like this if not for alternative media

[@brettlemoine1002]

The demographic analysis was interesting, but it would have been even more interesting if you'd taken a bit of a deeper dive into the reasons. I suspect that younger generations see Israel as more the aggressor party (think West Bank settlements) as well as the group with significantly more power (economic and militarily) than the Palestinians. Older generations likely have their views tempered by the regional wars Israel had to fight a few decades ago.

[@edentyler-moss1157]

Younger generations have grown up with a distrust of Western military action being a defining political trait (thanks to Iraq, Afghanistan, NSA spying, Syria, Yemen, etc.). Rightly or wrongly Israel is perceived the same, as western countries imposing military power on Palestinians. I wonder if without 9/11 there'd have been some sort of solution by now.

[@juniorolumide]

You mean centuries ago?

[@neeneko]

Or at minimal, the older generation, more dependent on centralized media, have really absorbed the framing they were supposed to absorb. These are the same people who still believe in super predators, and the 'war on drugs', and all those other pretexts they were immersed in. They had that conflict spoon fed to them with a specific narrative, and they became invested in it, and like so many things, double down when questioned since to question that narrative is to question their beliefs and identity.

[@docken11]

@@juniorolumide Israel has had to fight 6 wars since 1948, so no not "centuries ago"...

[@docken11]

@@neeneko Pretty arrogant and paternalistic view there. You could invert that and claim the younger generation is swallowing all the culture war, pro-Palestinian tiktok soft propaganda being put out by a variety of sources... neither comment really says anything insightful, other than some people may be susceptible than others, but to suggest one generation or another is more prone to it is incredibly naïve, to say the least.

[@yotambronsky9990]

I wish more videos were like this. No hate, no rage, just good hearted research and curiosity. Thank you!

[@geezy6996]

He missed the main point,and why social media grew more pro Palestinian on the 20th, cause of the indiscriminate bombing and forced displacement of the Palestinian people, Also woke people up to what Israel has been doing for years

[@abdelrahmanahmed2415]

I am sorry but how is that when he explicitly says stand with hamas instead of palestine when its obvious caring for human lives is not the same as supporting a terrorist organisation.

[@FrenulemEnjoyer]

He is still biased tho. Or at least framing it wrong.

[@RightfootWestHam]

Missing a lot of information though, like the hatred of jews and how that is a massive pulling factor in this case.

[@echo5935]

@@RightfootWestHamthey are the culprits. Every country they have been they have been kicked out and I think thats for a reason

[@mymymy00]

Older generations also watch mainstream media (cnn,fox etc) and mainstream media is very biased when reporting about this subject. While younger Generations rely on more newer methods to see the conflict (things like gazan reporters on ground with actual footage of what’s happening)

[@secretahsieg]

Which are nothing more than unverified biased sources from Instagram

[@fungunsun1]

And social media is also extremely biased and manufactured

[@ratatata6611]

​@@fungunsun1if you allow to limit your views! If you see social media holisticly you'll see Pro Palestine is the majority

[@spehhhsssmarineer8961]

You mean all of the propaganda videos young people are fed by social media? Corporate media is bad, but so is the garbage spewed on the internet. For example, an entire group of young people were convinced that a navy vessel on the WEST coast was bound with weapons to Israel and they attempted to board it. That isn’t something people do unless they were lied to.

[@plasmakitten4261]

@@fungunsun1 True, but by everyone at once instead of a single actor. So you can compare every different biased perspective to find the one most in line with the facts.

[@Sicaoisdead]

Social media is by far the most influential factor in the rise of pro-Palestine sentiment.

[@robertman6258]

It is interesting that the number of pro Palestinian TicToc posts climbed measurably right after Oct 7th - months before Israel's military response. Something heartwarming about the murder of 1200 civilians, the rape and mutilation of women, and the illegal taking and torturing of Hostages. You would think sympathy would have been with the victims at least initially and then a backlash once Israel responded militarily to rescue the hostages. Perhaps if some other country was attacked like that the public support would have looked different.

[@alifffakarudin2134]

bombing civilians are not act of saving hostages. in the end, zionist main objectives is not saving the hostages. its about killing people in Gaza as many as their can and take gaza as their own. i do not condone hamas action of taking hostages and other unnecessary violent, but the double standard is real. where are you to condemn IDF atrocities towards palestinian before 7 october? where are you to condemn IDF backing extremist jewish settler forcefully evicting palestinian from their home at the west bank?@@robertman6258

[@HillelSabban]

@@robertman6258 I agree its become "cool" to support Palestine much like people are allowed to say racist jokes about white people because every thing in the world that is "less powerful" is "oppressed" so Israel is opressing Palestinians its also "cool" because its considered contraversial to support Palestine among the older people (because they have sense in their head) so teens feel cool saying these stuff this leads to more pro Palestinians and the loop doesn't stop

[@AttaBek1422]

⁠@@robertman6258 It’s 800 civilians, most of whom probably killed by the Hannibal Doctrine (look it up). There is absolutely no evidence of rape and torture either

[@betaplain297]

@@robertman6258 I'd recommend fixing your comment to Spell TikTok correctly before someone bashes you for not spelling it correctly. Have a wonderful day, God bless.

[@AdamKvaček]

What the fuck? At 3:30 minute there is a graf about who supports Israel and who supports Hamas but there is not even a word about someone who could support Palestine but not Hamas? Did you ever hear the word objectivity?

[@xFrostBiteMC]

This video is actually brain rot... the producers who made this have never taken a college-level statistics class in their entire lives. I'd be surprised if any of them even made it to college.

[@C0ntrasteBr]

@@xFrostBiteMC you talking like you could do better lil bro.

[@xFrostBiteMC]

@@C0ntrasteBr I’m not trying to say I am the most qualified, but that doesn’t change the fact that they did a bad job. Even then, I’m a third-year business economics major at a top 25 university, so yeah I think it’s safe to say I could do better than whatever college dropout or liberal arts major that made this video.

[@xFrostBiteMC]

@@C0ntrasteBr crazy u calling ppl you don’t even know “lil bro” though… if ur ballsy enough to talk like that in real life, ur gonna lil bro the wrong person one day.

[@C0ntrasteBr]

@@xFrostBiteMC ok could you tell me the factors why is this incorrect?

[@shadowboyii]

I feel like it is more related to younger people are watching independent media and get the narrative from both side. Adding to that young people are more distrusting of the government and think they are corrupte and not acting in the best interest of the people. When adding all things up it makes sense

[@Daosguard]

Also, young people are incredibly stupid.

[@kristinab8019]

independent Facebook?!🤣 there is no such thing as an independent media, come on

[@Phrancis5]

Yeah, I don't think people are really getting the narrative from both sides. You have to remember that since the advent of the internet there is now far more "independent media" and social media, which is gonna be far more biased and partisan leaning with algorithms that serve each of us more of that content. That's far more polarizing or "radicalizing". There used to only be several large news orgs with journalists constrained by "the fairness doctrine" in news reporting to only report facts, present both sides fairly, and without opinion and editorial bias. It wasn't perfect, but a lot of news today is hyper partisan.

[@shadowboyii]

@@Phrancis5 I mean we are getting extreme view from both side But at least not the view that the government feed us

[@Phrancis5]

@@shadowboyii You're assuming the big legacy news orgs are "government feeds" and not adhering to journalistic standards. Do you think Watergate or the Pentagon Papers could've come out if the US government controlled the news? People tend to defend their ideological beliefs by denying objective facts or reporting. Worse yet, they turn to partisan news like Fox that tells em what they want to hear. Social media algorithms make it far more unlikely that most will fairly seek out counter arguments.

[@simonabunker]

Did they really ask if people supported Hamas or Palestine in those polls? They are very different things. That's like mixing up Israelis and Jews. Also knowing about the treatment of Palestinians in the West Bank by Israeli settlers has done Israel no favours. It is hard to appear as the underdog when the Israelis are the one throwing Palestinians out of their homes so they can use them instead.

[@AL-lh2ht]

Except most of the land was purchased from Palestine for the Israel settlers. It’s a moot point tough as Gaza is not the West Bank. Hamas control Gaza if you didn’t know.

[@From-North-Jersey]

The Israelies have retracted their borders 4 times since 1948 giving land back to the arabs . How ever each time they do this the result is more terrorist attacks and more random rockets targeting civilians within Israel.. I hope israel pushes back until they are back to the much more defensible 1949 borders.

[@polyglot2023]

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[@Sapnfap]

Another repeated lie that everyone believes. Settlements are built on top of Vacant hilltops, not on top of Palestinian homes.

[@johnwong5317]

Israel is a diverse place with Jews, Arab and others while Gaza is controlled by Hamas which a brand of Muslim Brotherhood and guess who allied with German during WWII? Then you have your answer.

[@flopyassyfied]

I am a Gen Z born in 2002 and my mum said something I strongly agree on; "I am neutral towards the conflict and I don't want to pick a side but I have to agree on one thing, Israel has been occupying Palestine for way too long and Palestinians deserve to have their land and be free from Israel"

[@Hrvatska-n2t]

agree

[@Fakemarcel]

Its not their land though it belongs to Israel, but its hard to maintain a country when every single country around you wants to exterminate you because you are a jew and Islam says so, I dont get the logic here. If you don’t understand anything about the conflict why comment?

[@bendavid4314]

Your mom's an ignorant bud

[@fogalicious2644]

The land was held by Israelites long before Islamic idealogy existed.

[@mopm5188]

Tell your mom that first go criticize the palestain leaders that use all money they got from Israel and Qatar to buy weapons and to do terror instead of support in health education and science instead they are acting like corrupt countries so If you gave them independence it will good to the civilians?! Like Iran or Yemen or Iraq or Lebanon?! Let we ask the Gaza cevlians what they prefer and you can see that they prefer Israel not Hamas or other curropt Arab leader As you see in other indipendante Arab country and the head is Palestine in west bank

[@Alex-hv3ir]

Please…PLEASE citate the fonts. You cannot show random graphics on a political argument, especially since the political groups are founding many of these researches.

[@KevinW1985]

Another thing to note is that Netanyahu has been the most right-wing PM in Israel's history and has been doing everything he can to seize more and more power hence the recent protests against his proposed changes to the Supreme Court. This makes younger people more skeptical of Israel being the only democracy in the middle east. Everyone agrees that the attack by Hamas is awful and that the real victims in this war are the people who just want to live their lives.

[@texasyojimbo]

Yes, Netanyahu *is* objectively terrible. I am a Millennial and lean more towards "support Israel."

[@ruma_lia]

Except that you cant live your life if you are in the oppressed group like Jim crow era

[@waltysalamander]

@@ruma_lia Are you trying to say Israel is an apartheid state? I really hope you're not because that is factually wrong. Take this quote from the second holiest piece of literature in Islam, a piece that every Palestinian is familiar with, "Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him." It's far worse than segregation, they will kill any Jew that sets foot in their territory. Then take Israel's declaration of independence, "WE APPEAL - in the very midst of the onslaught launched against us now for months - to the Arab inhabitants of the State of Israel to preserve peace and participate in the upbuilding of the State on the basis of full and equal citizenship and due representation in all its provisional and permanent institutions." I don't see any apartheid in that!

[@DaDARKPass]

Not everyone agrees - that's the problem. Far too many young people are stupid enough to support Hamas. Don't pretend being pro-Palestine is some rational "empathetic" decision: it's a decision made out of ignorance and stupidity.

[@amnaa9305]

⁠​⁠@@waltysalamanderoh my god ur actually insane, why not compare the talmud to that excerpt from the quran instead. like you’re literally seeing israel kill thousands of palestinians, and yet you’re hypothetically talking about palestinians killing a bunch of jews

[@11regnartseht]

I would like to see a graph that compares support for Israel by social class/income level, and then compare it to a graph that shows economic opportunity for young people by generation.

[@zPxffxn]

Me too!

[@dr1flush]

The Zionists are really trying to cope here and it's hilarious

[@dux_bellorum]

That would be interesting

[@abdullahtrees5204]

I think it's easy to guess the trend, richer/higher social class people will support Israel(because money machine) and poorer people will support Palestine (because they don't have conflict of interest)

[@a---------------]

Stop!!! That would be anti semitism!!!!!

[@Likwidfox]

There is a huge difference between being "Pro" and being "Less Against"

[@MrGoldenChocobo]

^This. Mass media from Fox News to CNN are all out there pretending that condemning genocide means you want the shoe on the other foot. How about no? Israel might be our allies but that doesn't mean I have to lie to myself and everyone else that they're the good guys and not the slightly less bad guys that we happen to be allied with.

[@notfunny3397]

Hamas is funded by Iran which is kinda anti Sunni. Palestine is almost entirely Sunni. The people of Palestine and supporters of Palestine only put hamas one step below the Israeli government in terms of how badly they have to be dragged behind the shed and dealt with.

[@Omer1996E.C]

If so, then probably more than 90 percent of everyone is "less against" to Palestine Even Piers Morgan started to show some more sympathy to Palestine, that's one example

[@simshengvue4642]

That’s a cop out. Have the integrity to back your misplaced beliefs. Don’t act like you don’t know what decolonization and from the river to the sea mean. You’ve shown the person you are and now you don’t like it that we know who you are now.

[@Ha-nz2vy]

@@simshengvue4642 Is the world you live in black and white? I'd love to see your POV on other things, in that case.

[@PopPhyzzle]

To be clear. Pro-Palestine is not pro Hamas.

[@wazzup233]

And Pro-Israel is not pro-war or pro-Netanyahu.

[@xchi8040]

@@wazzup233well said. If anything most people are pro-peace but many people of the younger generation and in the left think that means being pro Palestine. In reality it doesn’t make sense for leftists to be pro Palestine when Palestine hates leftist values, especially regarding topics of abortion and homosexuality, being one of the most homophobic countries in the world. They don’t realise what they’re supporting while thinking they support peace

[@Side_Eye_Shibe]

Tell that to the countless demonstrators who see Hamas as freedom fighters and not terrorists, dress up as terrorists for protests, hold signs with paragliders, rip down posters of kidnapped children, rip down Israel flags, display violence towards Jews indiscriminately etc

[@Ethan_Fel]

@@Side_Eye_Shibe Basically, Israel is so awful that Hamas can still pass themselves as freedom fighters.

[@user-og6hl6lv7p]

I mean, going back to 1935, it's like saying you're Pro-Germany not Pro-Hitler.

[@brianb.6356]

One thing I've noticed so far arguing on social media is that a lot of people, who I suspect are older, seem to be pro-military in general in a way that no young person I know would be. When Americans of my generation think of the military, they think mostly of a series of quagmires which were also humanitarian disasters. So the automatic assumption is that whatever the IDF is doing is a quagmire and a humanitarian disaster. (And I mean, I don't think we're wrong!) But I keep hearing from even older people who don't seem to be that pro-Israel that Israel is going to "destroy Hamas" or "take out Hamas". And I hear claims like that the way I heard Bush claiming he was gonna find WMDs in Iraq. It just seems completely delusional to me.

[@vladxp1100]

Well bush went to the other side of the world for it, we on the other hand have them as neighbors

[@hanshuber1875]

Im Young and i think everyone who Supports Hamas has clue what they are supporting. It simply Shows how dumb, undecated and ignorant Most people are. No one, who has all informations would Support a terrorist Organisation that denies Basic Humans rights and force people, especially women, to live under the islamic law sharia. In Here in the West you See Young uninformed women spreading Hamas propagada. Its a shame for our Generation.

[@jhonatancock2302]

Yeah, people think Afghanistan was a quagmire, but "younger" people forgot that country exist and look at them now, they don't live better under taliban boot don't they?

[@shoobyd00]

A generation that thinks you will de-arm Hamas and get back the hostages by making them a cup of tea I think is a generation that has been wrapped in cotton wool. Thankfully we don’t have gen z running our world just yet.

[@mortifer2630]

The IDF is far worse than any Taliban, ISIS, HAMAS or whatsoever. People ne’er to recognize that.

[@egg-ts4fo]

There stuck in echo chambers online so they dont have all rhe sides

[@mustbeaweful2504]

These polls don’t seem to take into account the distinction that you could be pro-Palestine and anti-Hamas. And though I do not want to discredit the lack of trust towards journalists, it seems to me that separation is an important part of the nuance that is overlooked for a black and white narrative.

[@jmhorange]

Or they don't take into account Americans could be Pro American or anyone in the West could be Pro Western and don't want Israel's war weakening America's foreign policy. How's it going to look when we go back to Ukraine, when we let 11 K and counting civilians die and abused our veto to shield Israel in the US, similiar to how Russia abuses its veto to protect itself in the Ukraine war? Why would the world who's outraged by what's going on in Gaza listen to us on Ukraine to agree to a Western approach to solving Ukraine's war? If you want to be Pro Israel or Pro Palestinian, go off in a little corner and fight it out. But to the grown ups that actually are concerned about their own Western countries. Young people today see the big picture where older adults just see you either support Israel or Palestine. Young people want to be adults.

[@v5hr1ke]

This is what I'm slightly concerned about. Considering that nowadays governments don't fully represent the true identity of the country they governed in.

[@jmhorange]

@@v5hr1ke It doesn't matter, politicians understand the difference. And they can see their country's and world opinion. If they think Pro Palestinian is the same as Pro Hamas, then they should ignore that group of people....and wind up getting kicked out of office in democracies or overthrown in other countries. Nobody needs stupid leaders that can't tell that most of the world that's outraged by Israel's war is not Pro Hamas. If a leader can't figure that out, they don't need to lead.

[@andreab2114]

The problem is not just Hamas. It's Palestinian society. Apart from anti-semitism, which is actively sponsored by the Palestinian Authority (not Hamas), Palestinians have demonstrated that they are unable to build a decent state. They were given Gaza and turned it into a Caliphate. Anytime they are given some land they turn it into a platform to launch missiles on Israel. We should come to terms with the fact that Palestinians will never build a nice peaceful liberal democracy. This is just a Western projection. They would likely do what they did in Gaza. Do we want another Iran where gays are killed, women are discriminated and other religions are not accepted? No thanks. Meanwhile Israel allows same-sex marriage, gives the right to vote to Arabs, accepts multiculturalism and open societies. We should hold Israel accountable for how it responds to attacks, but the idea that Israel is the evil one just because it's militarily stronger is bullshit.

[@pierrotA]

I would even say that, even if it's not visible here, most studies and medias do not make a difference between religions and countries. At least in France, choosing a side is almost like choosing your favorite religion and insulting the other one.

[@maureen2777]

Young people are tired of old people stealing their money, refusing to help them, and having the gall to think they’re going to fight in these wars old people create.

[@michaelstrelnikov]

Why somebody should do anything for them? Parents provided their childhood until they became young adults. It is their job to live further.

[@maureen2777]

@@michaelstrelnikov I’m not a young person, I am GenX. I see the difference in what was provided for Boomers in comparison to what is being provided now. If you fail to see that blatant difference, you’re being purposely obtuse.

[@michaelstrelnikov]

@@maureen2777 Exactly. The "information" (or better to say propaganda) is delivered in unprecedented rate. And absolute most is biased and do not represent facts. Young people are an easy target since they are more tend to watch short videos rather researching.

[@maureen2777]

@@michaelstrelnikov I have no clue what you’re talking about. I do not support Israel’s treatment of Palestinians. I came to this conclusion by familiarizing myself with Jewish scholars, activists, and journalists. Norman Finkelstein, Gabor Maté, Gideon Levy, and Noam Chomsky. You completely avoided my initial premise by speaking about parents providing for young adults. This conversation has nothing to do with parents, we’re speaking on the government. You follow up with more nonsense. Are you inebriated?

[@michaelstrelnikov]

@@maureen2777 You can support of disappove. Israel treats others as other treats Israel. If palestinians want to kill Jews, Israel close its borders and do not allow passage. Very simple. If people want to create a peaceful country - Israel is all for it. I would suggest you to treat people as you want to be treated.

[@Lord0of0Minnegard]

Younger generations also experienced Israel almost their whole live with an far right majority in the government actively pushing settlement in occupied territory. Netanjahu is in power for 16 years now so for an average 30 year old he is the political symbol of this state.

[@p.strobus7569]

The irony is that Netanyahu got back into power after the Hamas bus bombings of the late 1990s. He had lost standing in the national revulsion against the far right that came up after Rabin was assassinated by the far right. But Hamas started killing random civilians on mass transit and suddenly the far right didn’t look so bad to scared people. But wait! It gets better! Starting in January the Israeli population engaged in massive anti-government protests, protests that ended when Hamas attacked in October. For all that Nuttin-Yahoo is an ass, he owes Hamas a huge thank you for keeping him in power.

[@hannibalbarca8411]

Israel bee' like that from day 1

[@hatinmyselfiscool2879]

... you are aware that settlement was a bipartisan goal right? And it still is. Stuff like the 1960s war was perpetrated too occupy the territory and settle the regions held by palestinians, many military officials admit too that fact and have admitted too it. This is not about which side you choose. Zionism as long as it is political is a form of colonial settlement, everything since herzl was.

[@madjames1134]

​@@p.strobus7569So, who is financing Hamas? Iran alone has not that much money - Iran needs to finance its own Army, its own nuclear program and its own groups after all, and its economy aren't in a great shape.

[@p.strobus7569]

@@madjames1134 Hamas is a quasi-government, able to tax Gazans. Their military works cheap (which is why rockets sometimes break up over hospitals). Iran is a petro state locked in a battle for supremacy over the Gulf with its Saudi neighbor. (And said neighbor was juuuust about to normalize relations with Israel so putting extra towards disrupting that was an easy call. And then there’s zakat for the Palestinian cause which can be skimmed to buy weapons per usual. There are so many sources for funding that all they need are enough bloody shirts to wave in order to recruit the next “Juden Raus” party.

[@bingobunny7862]

I’m Gen-Z and I support Palestine’s innocent civilians, but I don’t support gazas government and definitely despise Hamas. I don’t like Netanyahu, and I find him to be a dangerous person. But I support Israel as a state as I have friends and family there, and it remains one of the only somewhat friendly countries to LGBTQ+ people in the Middle East. I am Jewish and Gay, so u can see where I am coming from.

[@codenamepyro2350]

You cannot support Israel as a state and support innocent Palestinians

[@neptune3569]

I'm amazed how good these people are at being non biased while writing this script.

[@jihanpatel8040]

Ikr what if all journalists were this non biased

[@taxevasiongaming]

​@@jihanpatel8040then we'd have an amazing world

[@davideyt1242]

it's really like those "inflation is at the highest since the 1600s.. here is why it's a good thing" type of articles

[@internationalrtg5602]

Neutrality is not the same as being non-biased. There is such a thing as a neutrality bias, and it’s pervasive in corporate media. Like when they had climate scientists and oil industry propagandists debate climate change as if the two positions were equally valid.

[@Adam-wg2rf]

And the comments less.

[@Croz89]

I think the pro palestinian side have been very good at playing into the anti-colonial sentiments of the younger generations in the west, who are far more likely to see something like the british empire as a definitively bad thing for the world. Israel is often seen as a product of the final decades of imperial rule in the middle east, an country willed into existence through treaties and mandates by the british, who were infamously one half of Sykes-Picot. While Palestine itself is also a colonial product, it's seen more as a natural successor nation than Israel is, where the natives take over the land the british once controlled. Israel is seen as almost a form of settler colonialism, a country of outsiders who in the eyes of many don't really belong there.

[@itamar5109]

Youre right on how they see the world but israel was way older almost then any country but other countries invaded it over and over

[@MrHakkay]

The Israel-Palestine conflict traces back to the Balfour Declaration in 1917, where Israel began settling and colonizing Palestinian lands. A noteworthy aspect is that younger generations often align with Palestine due to increased visibility and documentation of events, which wasn't as prevalent in the past. Nowadays, information about the conflict is more accessible, allowing individuals to form their own opinions. Some argue that mainstream media, including outlets like BBC and CNN, may present biased perspectives and lying about reality, leading younger generations to seek alternative sources.

[@Croz89]

@@itamar5109 Israel as a region of the Levant has existed for a long time, of course, but as a formal nation state it is pretty new.

[@dubstepXpower]

Funny because Palestine is actually the colonisers of the land after Rome destroyed the Jewish rebellion and scattered them they renamed it Palestine and replaced them. Israel has a right to exist and defend themselves.

[@curlyfries2956]

@@Croz89Israel as a nation of the Jews has existed for thousands of years. It’s identity has not changed. The only change is that during the Muslim period, a lot of Jews converted to Islam. A lot also kept their religion. But Israel has consistently and continuously existed, autonomous or not, nearly as far back as written record

[@ramonwest3684]

These polls undermine the key issues and the key reasons that people stand in solidarity with Palestine. They present extremely leading questions that blur the lines between pro-Palestine and pro-Hamas and unjustly favor Israel. 1. The poll at 2:50 asks “Is Israel justified in eliminating the Hamas government in Gaza” - Yes / No This undermines the core issue citizens of the world have with Israel’s disproportionate response to October 7th. It’s truly not a matter of Israel vs Hamas, but rather the magnitude of Israel’s actions and whether they constitute ‘self-defense’ or retaliation. This poll misrepresents the issue, which ought to be “Is Israel justified in amassing 11,000 civilian casualties in pursuit of eliminating the Hamas government in Gaza” 2. Likewise, in timestamp 3:20, the poll asks “Who should America support in this conflict?” -Isreal -Hamas Again, this frames the public discourse in how we define Hamas, as a terrorist organization or a freedom fighting force, and completely disregards Israel’s responsibility to uphold international law. An alternative and frankly more telling question would be “Should America support Israel in this conflict?” -Yes (native land, holocaust survivors, self defense, allies) -No (occupiers, zionist hypocrisy, genocide)

[@InonoYazy]

Here is very easy answer: in real world -} if you US doesn't support Israel -} they would give Hamaz green light to prepare new attacks in Israel in future. People would live in constant fear. This way Israel would become more unstable, economy & life quality would go down.This a real consequence. People really undervalue the support for terrorism all of Pro-palestine movement brings. Instead, nobody wants to host Palestine victims or come to pick up to them for rescue. Youth don't talk how Hamaz don't let 'their' people to even evacuate.

[@Markadown]

Ok, because I know my eyes and ears weren't decieving me. Is pro-Palestine and pro-Hamas interchangeable? I mean, the current media trick is to label it as such.

[@Ircp02]

@@Markadown If we want to put it simple: - Hamas is an islamist organization that took power in Gaza Strip thanks to 2006 elections; it is considered a terrorist and extremist organization, being also that in its Constitutional Card from 1988 it says that its goal is to destroy Israel; - The Palestinians are the people/civilians living in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank and that before the foundation of Israel used to live there as well, tho at that time they didn’t think of themselves as a nationality. Some of them, especially in Gaza Strip, support Hamas; many others don’t.

[@michaelrosenstock9187]

Pro Palestine is pro Israel, if hamas falls and the gazans would stop attacking Israel they would be free as a bird and will never need to fear Israel, just like Jordan and just like Egypt peace treaties

[@meatykyun5981]

wouldnt it be great if Palestine as a whole would denounce Hamas, in reality, they are the same thing. find me any Palestinian parading in the street that would denounce Hamas as a Terrorist group, they wouldn't because "they are freedom fighters". people might be smart enough to know killing children is stupid on bothside, but Hamas needs to man t f up and stop hiding behind the children then.

[@lajuan9860]

plus Israel is committing genocide against Palestinians so that could be a reason as well

[@barb2793]

Right. . .

[@ofrikalif4938]

exept that there is no genocide

[@SwapnilTete-y9e]

@@ofrikalif4938there is

[@kuroiraion3897]

As a young(ish) American, I find it odd that we conflate being pro-Palestine with being pro-Hamas. For that matter, you can support ethnic Arabs in the land of Israel/Palestine without supporting a state of Palestine OR the group Hamas. I think Americans are largely sympathetic, but we don't know who to blame when innocent people on either side die.

[@vonbennett8670]

Hamas is Palestinian....so if you are pro-Palestine, you are pro-Hamas.

[@bobsucks9647]

Yeah it’s silly, it’s like saying someone’s “pro KKK” because they support america.

[@bobsucks9647]

@@vonbennett8670The KKK is American, so if you’re American you’re in the KKK

[@bobsucks9647]

@@vonbennett8670Joe Bidens the US President so that means if you’re American you support Joe Biden Starting to see how dumb that logic is?

[@OneSmallBoss]

@@vonbennett8670sure Hamas is from Palestine, but you can support Palestine and not Hamas, one is a country and another is a terrorist group

[@captainchaoscow]

There are 29% of people between 18-24 olds who say, they stand with Hamas? That's crazy.

[@MasterGhostf]

You'd be surprised. Many people think Hamas is just a peaceful organization and is fighting a liberation fight not actually a militant Islamist organization.

[@specialingu]

​@@MasterGhostfthere's multiple layers/seporation to hamas I think. How separate they are I don't know, but some will presumably run local services, while others are militants or terrorist.

[@MohammadSuleiman-nv7by]

It is very nuanced. Hamas actions does not exist in a vacuum. Many people see the formation and acts of Hamas as a response to decades of oppression. Keep in mind that even before Hamas came into power Palestinians were already being killed. People also forget that not all Hamas fighters fight for the same reason. Alot of the Hamas fighters are young and grew up in occupation and lost their families and homes. Any person who grew up subjugated to oppression will have a very destructive mindset and will never have any sympathy for their oppressors. These individuals would have never become Hamas fighters if they never grew up under occupation. Then there are Hamas fighters who do fight just because they enjoy destruction. These individuals exist in every army. Psychopaths are often drawn to positions of power. Many people believe that the constant bombardment of Gaza is just going to create another generation of mentally disturbed individuals who want to get revenge for what has happened to them. Hamas most definitely is the problem but the occupation is what created Hamas and Israel's extreme attacks on Palestine is what inspires/breaks Palestinians to become Hamas fighters. People need to get off their high horses. I know it's difficult to imagine but when our lives are relatively easy we think that we are morally incorruptible. I'm very sure many people would become terrorists if they had to endure what Palestinians went through.

[@rchap-grab]

I agree with the analysis and would also add there's always a feedback loop to follow the herd on any issue, and once one side looks like it's the more popular it becomes reinforced much the same way as the SM algorithms push content

[@moonmonkey303]

I'd also add, X and Boomers have a more direct relationship with WW2 (relatives, schooling and a very strong media focus on it post war) so I feel Israel and Jews are generally treated with sympathy because these generations were very familiar with the holocaust. And to a degree there was even some shared guilt that the world let it happen. I also think 9/11 traumatised these generations and fuelled an ongoing fear of Muslims. Adding both these factors you can understand why the demographics split so strongly.

[@Beybleyder101]

or maybe they get their news from mass media outlets that are controlled by large organizations with vested interests

[@AL-lh2ht]

The ironic part is the Arabs within Izrael also hate Palestine.

[@XTSonic]

Wonder why that's less for Y then, because 9/11 happened smack in the middle of our formative years.

[@matthummel8306]

​@@XTSonicprobably because they know that 911 was an inside job?

[@From-North-Jersey]

Jews want to be left alone, arabs want a world without jews. Grow up and smell the reality.

[@brentsmelser]

TLDR’s new favorite word is “unprecedented”. Nearly every video, and often many times… and nearly every time in the opening hook. Not everything is unprecedented.

[@immortalsofar5314]

Their unprecedented use of unprecedented is unprecedented. Except now that they've set the precedent, is it still so?

[@farhatkaboudi44]

I cringe everytime I hear that word on CNN and other American "news"

[@georgiykireev9678]

​@@immortalsofar5314if you slowly escalate it, then it will keep being unprecedented

[@kx7500]

We are living in unprecedentedly precedented times

[@VitalDhaveloose]

Interesting, but what I missed was a distinction between Hamas, the Palestinian people, Israel and the current Israeli government. I get that in short videos you can't get all the nuance, but this distinction is really important for this divisive issue.

[@Phrancis5]

Extremists tend to see the world as black and white, good and bad, oppressor and oppressed. It's harder to be self-righteous if you acknowledge all the complexities and grey areas.

[@gadzw]

I am Gen Z and Jewish, and I want to say that Hamas and Palestine isn´t the same. Hamas attacked Israel on 7/10, Palestine did not. And being Pro-Palestine is not the same as being Pro-Hamas. Everything that was done from both sides is not acceptable. The only thing we need now is peace and agreements. ☮

[@justmike1753]

Polls like this that ask very open-ended questions and conflate different groups are not useful for interpretation because the results will be heavily influenced by how different groups interpreted the question. For example, the Hamas vs Isreal and the Palestine vs Isreal polls make it seem like most young people support both Hamas and Palestine. But if you asked young people if they support Hamas or Palestinian civilians, you will quickly realise the error. And what if you phrased it as: “Do you support the genocide and oppression of Palestinians?”. Do you think most older people would say yes? I doubt it

[@luisshorts.]

I think it’s useful to separate the support for Hamas vs the support for the Palestinian people, because those are two different things

[@jimmymuthami7130]

Genocide? You guys have some dictionary?

[@lordfoxquaad1611]

@@luisshorts. Then you're also supposed to support the Israeli people in that case? If your position is "support civilians, not government", then what the hell is the point in claiming you're one side or another? Stating "I'm pro-palestinians" instead of "I'm pro-civilians" makes you clearly pick a side, and if you're saying that way then you're also supporting hamas as it's the acting government in power in Gaza. The statement sounds even more f**ked up if to draw the parallel with the Russian invasion of Ukraine and claiming there that "you're pro-russian", but specifying then that "I'm supporting people, not kremlin". Well then, do you know that those russian people largely support putler and the further murder of the Ukrainian people? Do you know that much of the Gazans are brainwashed to the point they support hamas genocidal terror actions? Think twice before you speak and also better abstain from chanting "from the river to the sea" genocidal slogan without even knowing what is this slogan about.

[@bobagacha3750]

Man, I hate how this generation is characterised with social media and tiktok, it’s sad but true. It feels like some people are cyborgs with their phones

[@adam_the_pro]

That raise another problem? Why they go for social media for information, because the unjustified bias and lies of the traditional media If the truth is shown on both , they would have just checked both equally

[@timmcdraw7568]

Yeah but in this case theres a blockade by israel of all press in gaza. They cant get in. So The only news that comes out is by palestinian reporters who are trapped in gaza, who are using their phones and uploading to TikTok. Im not saying theyre “influencers” doing social media, they are real reporters but theyre using social media because there is no other way. They’re trapped, using car batteries to charger their phones, uploading what they see. And dying there too. Thats why we have all been stuck looking at our phones during this massacre, to see what’s happening in gaza. Besides that all there is is pro-israel news that tris to say that what we are seeing are lies. You choose.

[@farhatkaboudi44]

Ive learned more from Tiktoks than the fake media controlled by billionaire elites

[@adam_the_pro]

@@farhatkaboudi44 can't agree more If you want to see the reality, I can share some account that only share photos and videos from gaza and West Bank

[@queenbrightwingthe3890]

@@farhatkaboudi44 TikTok is not where you go look for information lol. Its made to tell whatever lies they want your generation to hear.

[@jojoney]

We are witnessing, “ For those who forgets history, are doomed to repeat it”

[@isscaibnzehra8717]

We're witnessing the down fall of the mainstream media power

[@Ma1akai]

Are you referring to the pro Palestinian side or Israeli side?

[@denny6379]

​@@Ma1akaiobviously isreal, they are literally committing a genocide

[@ludicrousreality0]

the op: i play both sides so i always come at the top@@Ma1akai

[@werren894]

"*remembering history" i fix it for u

[@tallerfrodo1262]

perhaps the most worrying problem is that young people prefer getting their news from Social Media

[@rickson50]

A maybe bigger issue is people getting their news from established outlets. In otherwordw they are both untrustworthy and biased

[@sownheard]

Young people have grown up with the internet, and their schooling has taught them how to use it for research. Therefore, they are more likely to spot misinformation from legacy media outlets. Moreover, news can often be seen live on social media, where you can witness legacy media outlets presenting falsehoods.

[@Daniel-yz5qj]

Pick your poison (propaganda). Social media: high chance of liberal propaganda, if you follow the right accounts you may get genuine good news though. Mainstream News (CNN, Fox and the likes): unfiltered pure american and therefore capitalist propaganda. kzbin.info/www/bejne/kJjKdJyml857racsi=KikfIJ0sG9d02EHB

[@Manuel-ew3dp]

you're getting your news from social media right now lol. What do you think youtube is?

[@alef-bet-gimel]

I think Palestine is going to be North Vietnam, as if they did in Vietnam war. At that time, young people(so called hippy) saw North vietnam and vietcongs as "the righteous hero fighting for vietnamese and anti-imperialism", although they also genocided and tortured many south vietmanese. In contrast, US was criticized for having done war crime by media, as Israel is now. History is being repeated.

[@injest1928]

3:30 did that many really say they think America should support Hamas?? Its one thing to support Palestine its another to support Hamas

[@deeznoots6241]

Or people think the poll is bullshit and giving the ‘wrong’ answer on purpose because they recognise the false dichotomy

[@chickensoup9869]

Tbf to them, maybe they thought of John Brown and Nat Turner.

[@philus012]

It shows how ignorant people are. It's like the poll of the use of Arabic numbers in the US. People have opinions about things they don't understand.

[@7ElevenAlphaCentauri]

The radical left sympathizes with Islamic terror.

[@SirSX3]

Yes, most of the Zoomers support Hamas unfortunately. A lifetime of propaganda from social media will do that to you. I'm lucky that I am able to escape that, but not everyone has the capacity to think for themselves. Most youths are too eager to be part of something bigger than themselves to slow down and think about what exactly it is they are supposed to believe in, and its merits.

[@sirajvirji]

A couple of these polls have questioning that does not really reflect the stance many younger people have, which is that they don’t stand with Israel or Hamas, but rather the rest of the innocent victims, most of whom are Palestinian.

[@HillelSabban]

stop justifying these acts hamas was voted on by the people with their sole purpose to "kill jews" and "destroy Israel" it hurts me to see how foolish people can be on the internet but that is not reality most people support Israel .

[@majina.m8112]

its not a race who can kill more its a war, hamas attacked israel without having shelters for bombs for their civilians, they have the biggest tunnel system in the world and they never made one spot for their innocences, instead they let them die on the street, if a small country attacks a big country , what do you think gonna happen, israel dont want a second october 7 and they have all the rights to make sure its not gonna happen

[@kittee6409]

I'm a member of Gen Z and a proud supporter of Israel.

[@luipaardprint]

Being pro Palestine shouldn’t be the same as being pro Hamas

[@AB-zl4nh]

These polls are frustrating. My support for Palestine statehood & disgust of the Israeli Far-Right government doesn't mean I support denying Israeli statehood. But these binary choices make me pick Palestine because it's the one under military occupation & without an internationally recognised state.

[@WinstonSmithGPT]

How was Gaza under military occupation? Explain in detail.

[@kanadeisthebestinthegame]

Even though Gaza is under Hamas control, Israel controls their airspace and border crossings, making the international community consider it an occupation

[@danmaster5565]

@@WinstonSmithGPTIf I recall didn't Israel left Gaza in 2005?

[@Hawa434]

@@danmaster5565if by “left” you mean they built a wall around 2.2 million people trapped them inside. Control what can go in and out then yeah. But the reality is millions of people have been forced out of their land and onto two small regions, they cannot leave and r under constant occupation, surveillance and attacks. History didn’t start in oct 7 or 2005. Gaza is basically the worlds largest concentration camp, and as much I condemn those terrorist acts committed on oct 7, 80% of hamas r orphans as a result of idf. Most of them 18-26 and probably their first time getting passed that wall. Israeli government and occupation is to blame for this current situation and deaths

[@danmaster5565]

@@Hawa434 well to be fair, Israel gave them the necessities but hamas didn't care about their own people if they care about their people why did they build and store their stuff in hospitals and schools, heck if hamas cares why are some officials not in Gaza

[@davidcooks2379]

Because chinese TikTok told them to. They believe everything chinese TikTok tells them because it's so engaging

[@IDuolingoYT]

Bro where are you getting your sources from 💀

[@acetvgamingyt4166]

Tiktok aren't the main factors. I even see a pro-Palestine, and I rarely see a pro-Hamas propaganda on KZbin and Facebook

[@jibreeshartwork9342]

As an really appreciate the way you handled the video and its content. It's nice for a change to talk about what the facts are, and what the statistics are without taking any sides. I'm quite upset recently by celebrities and power figures voicing their opinions (no matter what side they are) without context and historical information and then inspire or mislead so many people worldwide.

[@justsain3236]

Israel is an apartheid state (50 laws different for non-Jews) with an Illegal settlement expansion. Also, while Jews have historical ties to the region dating back 3,500 years, the Canaanites, who are the ancestors of the Palestinians, had already been established there long before the arrival of the Jews. Holding a party close to a region marked by significant and systemic oppression (i.e. Gaza which is an open-air prison), especially when such oppression is executed as "collective punishment" by one's own government, reflects deep insensitivity. As individuals, confronting injustice is not just an option, but a duty; that is the stance they should have adopted instead of dancing around. It is important to note that they were on land that is internationally recognized as Palestinian territory, which has been occupied illegally by Israel. Simply put, they should not have been on that land. Also, the notion that Israel is defending itself is as absurd as the notion that a rapist is defending himself from the victim, because Israel is the occupier. 50 laws that make Israel an apartheid state: 1. Law of Return 2. National Planning and Building Law 3. Broadcasting Authority Law 4. Basic Law: Israel Lands 5. Israel Land Administration Law

[@dragonlord3402]

EXACTLY! It's worse when the fans just mindlessly follow what they say.

[@YouAreStillNotablaze]

@@dragonlord3402 Maybe it's not so mindless for one side. People can see with their eyes, both Hamas and the IDF and Israeli government and the West Bank extremists.

[@mitchbaker6300]

So much false information stated here wow! Palestinians were mostly Syrians, some Greeks/Arabs, moved into Judea by the Romans after the third Jewish revolt in the 2nd century to repopulate the province. Around a millions Jews died and the rest of them were exiled from Judea. The province was changed from Judea to Palastinia. The Eastern Romans called that province Palestine. Palestine was invented by the Romans. @@justsain3236

[@immortalsofar5314]

Historically, Israel has built up a lot of sympathetic capital. Since their use of Nazi tactics towards the Palestinians, they have spent it all.

[@BigJFindAWay]

Do you even know what Nazi tactics are?? Or are you just the product of public education?

[@YourCupOfTea_]

because they learn history on tiktok

[@RebeccaTurner-ny1xx]

Not really. The corporate media shows vast amounts about how wonderful the State of Israel supposedly is, and lots of younger people see that media. The Palestinian perspective is ignored.

[@Lenevor]

@@RebeccaTurner-ny1xx I can assure you nobody was getting Jewish content in their feed unless they were jewish

[@RebeccaTurner-ny1xx]

​@@Lenevor What is 'Jewish content'? That could be recipes for Kosher meals, Jewish Voice for Peace anti-Zionist news, how to date other Jewish people... or it could be something generated by Israel, as that state proclaimed in 1948 that it has the monopoly on Jewishness. That last point, of course, leads to the anti-semitic conclusion that the vast historic crimes committed by that cultic, Zionist state are to be laid at the feet of all Jewish people. In the same way that the Israeli government blames all Palestinians for the crimes of Hamas and the PIJ. An objective analysis of the corporate Western media - here in the UK, in Europe, the USA and Australia - would show a long-standing bias towards the State of Israel. For example: "Leaks from within CNN reveal that for months its executives have been actively imposing an editorial line designed to reinforce Israel’s framing of events in Gaza, to the point of obscuring atrocities by the Israeli military. The dictates, say insiders, have resulted in senior staff refusing to accept assignments to the region "because they do not believe they will be free to tell the whole story". Others suspect they are being kept away by editors who fear they will fight the restrictions. Internal memos insist that stories be approved by the station’s Jerusalem bureau, where staff are widely seen as partisans who slant reports in Israel’s favour. Palestinian perspectives are tightly restricted." www.middleeasteye.net/big-story/cnn-israel-bias-laid-bare-norm-not-exception

[@YourCupOfTea_]

Palestine Is a terrorist state @@RebeccaTurner-ny1xx

[@ХейХей-ю3ф]

​​@@LenevorI'm not jews but at the beginning of the conflict I have seen a lot of sponsored pro-Israel video and one pro-Israel KZbin ad.

[@jeremyquentin42]

Little feedback: could you write the polled country on poll graphs. You only mention it orally and I sometimes miss it or forget. That's essential context. And that wouldn't take a big space anyway.

[@cosmosben6726]

There are links in the description.

[@jerry3790]

I support a secular Middle East.

[@yehoem]

So you support israel? Good to know

[@jakerummy]

@@yehoemIsrael is explicitly not a secular nation.

[@cobblebrick]

​@@yehoemBy what demented definition is a Jewish ethnostate meant to be secular?😂

[@yehoem]

@@cobblebrick just like the secular Britain is an ethno state. And is it's the home of the anglo saxon people. Thus an ethno state. Almost all countries are ethnic countries.

[@zer0homer]

@@jakerummy boy what do you know. Yes, Judaism is protected and there's no secular marriage because there's no constitution with it, but it is the only nation in the Middle East that hold gay parade and give refuge to Pali queers and trans that flee and admit that they would face, ahem, extreme forms of persecution on the other side.

[@CatHelicopter]

Why are the questions phrased so poorly? Its not about supporting Hamas, its about supporting Palestine.

[@KREEMTHEDREAM]

I believe we have more penetrating media sources now. Back in the 90s and 2000's, we weren't seeing the full extent of what was going on. Now we can see what's going on with video captures from smartphones and a more connected world. But this is nothing new it has been like this for a very long time. I would travel outside the US and catch the news and my jaw would literally drop on what was going on in Palestine. I would come back stateside and never saw the same level of journalism, footage, or content.

[@benjaminelterman8663]

I can't believe this video completely left out the influence of college campuses.

[@analogboi]

cuz thats not really a thing just a talking point by uneducated people.

[@Emmajaymusic]

I think you are right to mention this.

[@Emmajaymusic]

@@analogboi, Our family experience is different. As a family of well educated ( across 4 generations) , the phrase “ i used to think like you are..” comes up a lot. College and Uni are perfect places to rebel, feel heard, express superior views etc. I found that opinions changed once responsibility of a family occurred and the focus became about someone else. Less time on social media, and different conversations happen.

[@ultimatedeatrix9149]

Ok but can you also do a poll on older people but with humanitarian background and without? Maybe itll say something too.

[@JelowGames]

saying politics is the reason people are siding with a country going through a genocide is crazy

[@gss7271]

Im a young "63", and i support the sanity behind humanitarian coexistence, not the rationalizations of supernatural belief and a right to supremacy. Narcissism is a social disease that should never be suffered.

[@daleyoung4710]

' i support the sanity behind humanitarian coexistence' Secular societies can't tolerate non secular belief's right? Then just a reminder that Palestinians put LGBTQ+ members in jail and banned them and jews from existing in all of Palestine. Just in you case you need a reminder of the groups who support the opposite of what you do.

[@Qartlos]

You support coexistence under the rule of which side?

[@AbCd-lw5vs]

Ironically that’s the Muslims’ claim to the land you’re citing😅

[@gss7271]

@@Qartlos I side with a group you seem to be unfamiliar with, a side that hasn't appeared to the people of this region, a side that throws not the tools of fear and hate. I side with a humanity that respects the right to exist without fear. I honour no supernatural deities who tell me to be self-righteous and vain, there are places for people who hear voices, away from the general population. The Palestinian people have a right to the land under their feet and the right to prosper without fear and ignorance. Holy land? All land is holy, so why do we contaminate it with poison? Those with voices are disrespectful, aren't they.

[@nialldean9791]

​@@QartlosI support both. Israel 🇮🇱 and Palestine 🇵🇸 with Palestine being the West Bank, East Jerusalem, and Gaza Strip.

[@betterbhagalpur8837]

I think.. the working younger population wants their taxes to be utilised for development and not bombing civilians of neighbouring countries.

[@DanielCadarette]

Tell that to your Hamas buddies.

[@MaoRatto]

No? We simply just want our taxes staying within the US AND NO WHERE ELSE. Aren't we already inflated more than Deviant Art enough? If don't get it. Inflation is a fetish on that website and notorious for it. The Isreali vs. Palestine conflict makes me blegh. As you got one party that didn't want peace due to historical drama, the other insists on being manipulative.

[@betterbhagalpur8837]

@@DanielCadarette so anyone who doesn't think like you.. is a buddy of Hamas.. Grow up.. 🙄🙄

[@niavellir7408]

Exactly, we want our taxes to be used for infrastructure, healthcare for all, public transit, and just overall meeting people’s basic needs. But our country is controlled by the billionaire elite, so we will never achieve these goals, and only war and hardships

[@DanielCadarette]

@@niavellir7408 So why did you vote for Biden, then? He is a Globalist Elitist.

[@carlmartinez7532]

I would say its about the history too, Israel was the underdog until the 80s ever since then its actions have been less and less reasonable to people.

[@andrecarvalho1339]

The weird thing is that this war is the most justified, since it’s a response to an act of war of Hamas, but people probably blame Israel more on this one compared to the 2021 or the 2014

[@locallyringedspace3190]

@@andrecarvalho1339 That's because anyone paying attention on October 7th and before can see the exact reasons why "this war is the most justified [than prior wars]," and it's clear who architected these justifications.

[@Worldmisery]

The way I see it is this. Western nations support Israel because Anti-Western sentinents are high in the Middle East. Israel is one of the West's only allies in the Middle East, and because it's difficult for the West to find other allies in a region that opposes the West, they support this alliance. Polling shows that younger people describe themselves as less nationalistic, and because they are less nationalistic, less likely to support Israel based on their own nation's diplomatic or military interests. If they are less prejudiced towards Arabs/Muslims (which is almost definitely true), then Gen Z has neither the patriotic reason nor the Islamophobic reason to support Israel.

[@DamilolaAyodele-bt5ur]

Another reason is that a lot of young people seem to lack common sense these days

[@notafrah]

Nah they are just anti genocide

[@hibiscus627]

@@notafrah Anti genocide when the ones they're supporting also killed other nationalities. Woke asf.

[@samngmusic]

Yes!

[@samngmusic]

@@notafrahthe 7/10 was a genocide and people still manage to ignore it somehow and favour with Hamas which let me remind you put literal babies in oven and murdered and raped every Jew they managed to find. Almost all Jews in the area Hamas attacked were murdered while only a few managed to run away

[@NixonBlaze-ry5dn]

​@@notafrahlet's kill civilians at music festival which has nothing to do with milatary and had alot of international attendees and take people hostage. What you guys expect isreal to do? Throw a party?

[@RedBroski]

Religion has a lot to do with it as well. My mom is super religious, and according to her, Israel is sort of like the hero of the entire bible (aside from Jesus of course.) It is said that everyone must always stand by Israel because they are the "chosen ones" and that anybody who is against Israel is essentially against God. My mom says that when we turn our backs on Israel, that's when the world falls and the anti-christ takes over, or something like that. And given that so many older conservatives are also Christians, it would make a lot of sense why they still justify Israel's actions, just like how a lot of older conservatives still see no wrong in the genocides commitment in the name of their god, the mass killings of indigenous peoples around the world and forced cleansing/converting of these cultures and spiritual beliefs into their white christian standard. But a lot of us younger and more liberal people, can see a whole lot of issue in it, especially when our own ancestors were caught up in those attacks, so we don't support it. But back on topic, I definitely think the whole "bible says to always support israel no matter what" plays a big role in the division of support on this conflict.

[@thunderstruck2727]

I think this is an important cultural factor to consider for sure!

[@thunderstruck2727]

I think this may even be one reason why Israel get’s so much right-wing support from the U.S. For portions of the religious Republican voter base that believes this it looks good to provide strong support.

[@alexandrechausson5882]

During early 2000 "Look at this barbaric extremist islamists religious atrocities" Same people today "The teenager don't give a shit about the Bible"

[@RedBroski]

@@thunderstruck2727 Yeah, my mom said this whole this is supposedly the battle of "Gog and Magog" or something like that, which was written in the bible, and I guess it says that whoever is against Israel will fall and she's convinced that the USA is going to cease to exist because the war will come here as a result of people not supporting Israel

[@Dentayne]

anything with Israel or Palestine, the new comments are just horrendous

[@smeekle2000]

This is the radicalization of normies. Also, 90% of the comments that make no sense are trolls.

[@leeruoho6343]

The essential problem is there are valid and intelligent arguments on both sides of the conflict; however such are still "arguments" in defense of a position, not the seeking of common ground. For decades I've heard mostly support given for one side of the issue, and hoped some form of agreement may be met now that the other side is increasingly acknowledged to have a human face. Then it all blew up, and the conflict can become less a problem between two peoples ( which is bad enough) and potentially one of larger containment. This seems like a situation where everyone can lose, unless enough sane people realize this.

[@redeye780]

Only good argument is for the Palestinians. I was unbiased at first but seeing what Israel has done now and in the past is fucking insane

[@Threezi04]

What common ground? One side seeks Palestinians' rights to live in peace as free and equal citizens of either a Palestinian state or a binational Palestinian-Israeli state and the other side thinks Palestinians are "human animals"

[@Churros1616]

What valid arguments do Europeans have for the land of Palestina? It’s not their land. They should go back to europe.

[@TacticusPrime]

It's never going to happen with the current political powers. Likud will never be a partner in lasting peace or justice, and the same goes for Hamas.

[@brownerjerry174]

There was common ground reached several times, Palestine would have been a country for decades as well as Israel. If the leaders of the arab world had that as the primary goal, instead of eradicating every jewish person living between the two rivers. Jews accepted the agreement that granted more land to the palestine immediately in 48'. Then again several times, it was always the other side that rejected and kept the conflict alive, for them it's not about land but hatred for jews.

[@yesntpittzant4156]

Although the statistics are interesting, I think "pro-palestine" vs "pro-isreal" is way too simplistic and just polarizes the whole topic. As a millenial, I can tell you that a lot of young people just think to themselves "well, palestine is the victim and underdog", because they are much more empathetic than older generations. However, due to the polarization of the discussion, some young people straight up fully support all action taken by palestine, with no critical thinking.

[@Ch50304]

What critical thinking is there needed for the issue? Want to know?

[@CaptainFalcoyd]

Exactly - it's all about young, stupid and uneducated people who are guided by feelings instead of reason. They see kids trapped in rubble and immediately take the terrorists' side because they don't understand the context - that those kids are in the rubble because of the terrorists, not because of Israel.

[@genghiskhan6809]

@@Ch50304Delineation between supporting HAMAS and empathy for the plight of the gazan people. In order to have empathy for a people, one need not support their government. For example, you could feel bad for the German people of WW2 while not supporting Hitler. HAMAS as stated by themselves in their founding documents is an organization whose explicit goal is the eradication of the Jewish people and the destruction of the state of Israel. You can feel bad for the obvious suffering that the people of Gaza are going through because of the siege warfare tactics being employed by Israel without supporting an organization that desires genocide.

[@yesntpittzant4156]

@@Ch50304 It's a war were both parties are taking offensive (and disproportionate) measures. There is no moral basis to justify a war like that. A lot of young left people argue for palestine only because they feel empathy for the palestineans. The later in itself is justifiable, but it doesn't justify any warcrime ever. That's why they are called warcrimes. And warcrimes are happening on both sides. If anyone thinks it's easy to pick one side, they must be oblivious to these facts

[@jamesgill8854]

Correction that needs to be made. Netanyahu’s speech to Congress in 2015 was not a “pro-Trump” speech. Trump did not get a mention. The speech was an open rebuke to Obama’s nuclear deal with Iran, an attempt to get Congress to undermine or stop the deal (rather than a rally for Trump).

[@caesarmatty]

Also, the President doesn't get asked permission before Congress invites someone to come speak to them.

[@ibrahimx28]

@@caesarmatty So... Congress gets to invite the Head of State of another country to give a speech without the say so of their own Head of State? ... what a weird system...

[@Tomshee]

Something basic that the Palestinians seem to have forgotten (and GEN Z know nothing about it) is the consequences and results of the actions that were done. In 1948 when Britain declared Israel, Israel offered the Palestinians their own state. The Palestinians refused. Arab countries ordered the Palestinians to leave the country so they could conquer it, started a war, and failed. Israel won, but without Gaza and the West Bank. The West Bank remained under Jordan, and Gaza remained under Egypt. Needless to say, Egypt and Jordan did not offer the Palestinians their own state and the Palestinians did not demand one either. 20 years later in 1967, once again the Arab countries came up to fight Israel, and again they fought and lost. The result? Israel annexed all of the West Bank and Gaza. 5 times Palestine was offered an independent state alongside the State of Israel, 5 times they refused because they wanted all of Israel as Muslim, and not just part of it. When I was a child, there were no checkpoints, and Palestinians and Israelis alike could enter and exit all areas of Israel and the West Bank. When did it change? In the first intifada, countless t3rrorists entered from the West Bank, and blew up over 10,000 buses in Israel, in each such bus dozens of children, women, adults,, and men were unalived. In addition to buses, they also blew up restaurants and shopping malls. So to prevent this from continuing, Israel established the checkpoints. And yes, it helped and significantly reduced the number of attacks (by the way, Israeli malls also have a checkpoint at each entrance, which also checks Jewish Israeli citizens). The result of all of the above? Jews cannot enter the West Bank or Gaza, and Palestinians cannot enter Israel without obtaining work permits and having been here (after a security check that rules out a threat). Ans that is what also happened in Gaza. 2005 Israel forcibly evicted 10,000 Jews from their homes along with all the Israeli agricultural lands that were in the area, to grant Gaza independence, and in return, Israel asked for nothing back, only a sincere gesture for peace. Instead of developing and building infrastructure, and real estate in Gaza, and trade for themself, what did they do? they built tunnels and purchased quantities of weapons. From 2007, Gaza started firing rockets at southern Israel, as a result, the Israeli government closed the sea and airspace, thinking that this would prevent weap0ns from entering Gaza. But Israel was wrong and quantities of weap0ns continued to enter, and Gaza continued to f1re non-stop rockets at Israeli cities. So Israel built the Iron Dome, to prevent rockets from falling into Israeli territory. In addition, Israel has put up a lot of protection along the southern roads, for the safety of road users. When that didn't help and the sh0oting still continued, Israel entered Gaza militarily and returned with a war. The world intervened and a ceasefire was signed after about a month. Since then, every two years regularly, Gaza has violated the cease-fire, firing r0ckets at the south of the country, Israel returns with war, Gaza complains to the media about casualties, the world intervenes and a cease-fire is signed until Gaza violates it. again. And so we have been in this circle for over 12 (!!!!!) years. On 06.10 the ceasefire from 2022 still prevailed. On 07.10 Gaza violated it (until now)... So yes, w@r is always sad and horrifying. But the day Israel lays down its weapons, it will cease to exist. And no, it's not paranoia because that's what the t3rrorist organizations Hamas and Hezbollah say. They declare this wherever possible, that until they have d3stroyed and cleansed the land of Jews, they will not lay down their arms. The day they lay down their arms, Israel will be able to lay down its arms. And needless to say, we are eagerly waiting for it, because almost every house in Israel here, experienced bereavement loss following these w@rs. Cause and effect is something the Palestinians have never dealt with, and they are only busy crying to the world about how victimized they are, without taking any responsibility for their actions.

[@mattysantini1000]

Younger people are less religious so the excuse of giving Palestine to the Jews and calling it Israel is bs to us. We support both Palestinians and Jews (as a whole) and not Zionists.

[@Zoe-pu3pi]

80% of Jews are Zionists though, only supporting the 20% of a minority who shares your beliefs isn't supporting them.

[@ronironi2481]

If u supported jews ull support the only jewish state on earth.. but u dont. U "support" jews only when they agree to live as a prosecuted minority.

[@dis-topia]

I (young generation) personally have learned to distinguish authority with common people. Russian government might have attacked Ukraine but many Russian people don't want it. Hamas terror group is wrong but innocent citizens are also being hurt because of one group.

[@theonly802]

as a young person too i feel bad for the russian people in the war in ukraine, their nation is run by a dictator with delusional expansionist dreams. I support Palestine but absolutely not Hamas as well

[@poom323]

My russian friend even go to protest Ukraine invasion and I never see him on discord again.🥲

[@theonly802]

@@poom323 i once met a russian kid in vr chat who was shocked i didn’t think he was a monster for being russian

[@basileusandy9798]

You are an ignorant and should keep your mouth shut if you decide to provide no facts but only fleeing feelings. In 2014 the West organized a mass coup in Ukraine backed by the Neo-Nazi western sector to overthrow the democratic legitimate goverment of Yanukovich. The peoples of Donbas, Odessa and Crimea weren't going to stand for it and wanted to hold referendums in joining the Russian Federation. In Odessa the protestors were massacred burned alive in the trade's building but in Crimea and Donbass they had sucsess. After that untill 2022 Ukraine regime massacred up to 18'000 civilians in Donbass even breaking the Minsk accords.

[@mikei6605]

yeah, I think maybe because we grew up online where there are no national borders, we have more empathy for international citizens. And the fact that our government doesn't give a shit about us, we have more in common with working-class people in another country than we do with the people in power in our own.

[@enriquegarcia2612]

They sound surprised here, but the question would be why shouldn't they side with suffering, against harassing, constant humilliation, invasion, presence of thieves called settlers, being starved, denied basic liberties food, medicines, water. Wonderful youth generous and courageous, full of dignity, compassion, and sympathies

[@dantemarshal]

They don't know what they're supporting. They need to go live in a country ran by a Muslim government for at least a year; We'll see who they'll support afterwards (If they make it back alive of course).

[@hanarielgodlike9283]

Because everyone is against that, So you can't form a tribe around a concept that is universal. It doesn't apeal to mind of tribe seeking behaviour. Ppl need someone to hate and fight against.

[@imirim]

They are pro-Palestine civilians, not Hamas, not antisemitic, against war, for peace. All seems very reasonable.

[@tasosGRvocals]

I am really grateful for this channel. Pure portrayal of statistics in an easy to understand animated way, as neutral as it gets coverage of the news, it's just beautiful ❤

[@farukhsheikh5790]

This channel is hardly neutral. It's very biased.

[@omnientity803]

Everything is, but I am curious to which side you perceive it as biased

[@user-tl9wv6wu9h]

It’s about media consumers = generations. Traditional media is limited choices, scripted speeches, non-realtime & easy to infuse propaganda by certain parties. While social media like TikTok has many choices, unscripted opinions, realtime & not easy to infuse propaganda.-.

[@gss7271]

It's okay if you don't want to include Cyprus in this conversation. I'll understand. At the eleventh hour on the eleventh day of the eleventh month - we will remember them, including those who wore blue helmets. 🇨🇦

[@SiMeGamer]

These statistics are anything but pure. There is no sample size. These surveys could be on 200 people or 200,000 people. I agree with the general sentiment but the conclusion also missed a huge point which is the power dynamic. Younger people have a very particular snapshot of what Israel is and most don't care what it was. That's the biggest reason for the shift. Social media is also excellent at amplifying that perspective because of how brutal it all is. I find this video to be extremely lacking and it could've done more with the data on screen and the more general points in regards to the hypothesis. Short runtime is a bad excuse when it is used poorly.

[@MrTato1960]

You are doing amazing job guys by discussing such polarising issue 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@adrianahuls4983]

Polarised as in 90% of humanity is pro-Palestine and the rest is braindead.

[@way2tehdawn]

It’s only polarising if you let it be. Know how many friends I’ve lost over this? 0.

[@de132]

​@@way2tehdawn Could be that you're in an echo chamber, Mr. Way2tehdawn. And just because all of your friends agree with something doesn't mean it isn't a polarizing issue. What a self-serving way to see the world

[@16BitDungeon]

@@de132 It's only polarizing because one side hates Jews.

[@way2tehdawn]

@@de132 You know when you put it like that I think you’re right. We could be good mates.

[@merrymachiavelli2041]

Another factor which would be interesting to consider is saliency. I'm not sure whether or not this is the case, but I would imagine it's possible for views of Israel-Palestine to shift, at the same time as people generally become less personally invested in the conflict.

[@Icarus_Ridexx]

The last month isn't new or incredibly surprising. I've been helplessly watching this horror show unfold for over a decade and it goes back so much further. The more you know the more you want to free Palestine from the oppressors. I want Liberty and Justice for ALL and if our liberty causes the suffering of others then there is no Justice.

[@indiasuperclean6969]

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[@Bennyboi789]

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[@1mol831]

@@indiasuperclean6969Haha calls yourself handsome..

[@ZeroDim]

​@@Icarus_RidexxI have studied this just as you have and I have to say you are entirely wrong the more I research the more I become more pro Israeli anti Hamas notice how I say anti Hamas not anti Palestine also the Palestinian side has been the aggressor in almost every major conflict between the Israelis and Arabs

[@joeatheist3545]

It's because younger people today don't research issues in depth. They listen to virtue signaling influencer and don't want to be excluded or attacked for a differing opinion. We have raised a weak generation.

[@fabianauer1986]

Oh yes this great in depth research during the cold war. And only a weak generation raises a weak generation

[@joeatheist3545]

​@@fabianauer1986You are right. I have always blamed the people who raised that generation. The boomers are the cause and that's why they won't be the solution.

[@niallmoseley6760]

The older generations are much more influenced by the media agendas, but the younger are more aware of the biases

[@savevsdeath]

What you wrote here is itself a bias. And a smug one, at that.

[@777giorgos]

Lol that's joke right? 🤣 how? From instagram/tiktok University? Genz are mostly uneducated and uniformed generation I've seen so far (I'm 35). They have 0 personality and vastly are affected by social media "trends". That's the definition of sheeple. Edit: not that other gens are "better". As people, all have wrongs. But the statement that this gen is unfazed by biases is funny and defo not true.

[@niallmoseley6760]

@@savevsdeath with social media, the younger gens are exposed to multiple sides of the arguement and can make an informed decision, rather than just listening to one side with a monopoly on information. (I.e the mainstream media)

[@leviathan8624]

​@@niallmoseley6760most of young people get thier info from cancerous apps like tiktok

[@queenbrightwingthe3890]

@@niallmoseley6760 No they will side with the party that is most popular to side with aka Palestina. If you see 100 pro-palestinian and only 1 pro-Israelian outside you will 100% join the palestinian groupe cause you dont want to join the less supported groupe and become an outsider in your society.

[@luiszuluaga6575]

Hey, friend. Thank you for this balanced reporting on a negative human interaction that has impacted us globally. This is the kind of discussion everyone needs to take pardon because otherwise, we only speak from our passion and at times our passions send us in the wrong trajectory.

[@mulki8061]

bro this video was actually so dumb what are u on?

[@Noise_ninja]

I have a pretty simple way to tell who the bad guys are. If one side of a conflict are calling themselves chosen ones, and is saying everyone else is inferior to them, they're the bad guys. Works every time.

[@maeiyaa]

Lmao

[@BiscuitisCool]

so who

[@legendaryshadow6428]

Israel ofc, they dont even respect their own soldiers that aren't white, go search up the issue with black Israeli soldiers having no one coming to their funerals but every white solider have so many that come to 'pay their respects' Israel doesn't think of its own people who are coloured other than white as their own and called them animals much less any other country, @@BiscuitisCool

[@fai48t]

@@BiscuitisCool israel

[@bednarjozef]

Ah ok. So muslims.

[@frederique9680]

I think the graph in 3:34 should mean that people support Palestinians more not Hamas as an organization, that could be misleading

[@abdulrahmanrashad7225]

Because we have been told that everyone deserves human rights and freedom ever since we were young without pointing out who deserves more and who's not that made easy for poeple to see the truth

[@RealCherry8085]

What about Humans rights in Saudi Arabia, Iran etc?

[@abdulrahmanrashad7225]

@realShikha885 trust we don't support them as well