What Was Actually in Hamas’ Ceasefire Proposal?

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0:00 Intro
1:04 The Ceasefire Deal
3:48 Israel’s dilemma
7:29 Sponsor

[@JCNL871]

Saudi Arabia is in no position to criticise Israel after turning Yemen into a graveyard

[@edwardspain2881]

The Houthi terrorist organization is still operational out of Yemen

[@coaldoubt2879]

and the US*

[@benji-pj4dp]

In the hundreds of thousands including 80000 children staved according to help the children. Muslim world silent tho

[@harlowida]

What Saudis did is 0.001% of what Israelis are doing. Of course both backed by the US

[@jazminew38]

US, UK, IS, France, Germany, Saudi, UAE, Jordan and Bahrain ALL Z controlled and paid for by Z whether Christian, Jewish or Arab Z. All are Evil. Evil can never win! #FreePalestine #FreeUSfromIsrael #FreeTheWorldfromIsrael

[@robertb6889]

"You surrender - and we might give you some of your hostages back alive." Who the hell would accept that.

[@kingeddiam2543]

If Israel actually cared about civilian lives then they would've agreed.

[@Kuraru213]

​@@kingeddiam2543Do you know the word surrender? Surrending a war means accepting defeat. Theres no way Hamas would rule Israel government and abuse the people

[@StevieFQ]

Dumbest statement i heard all day. If israel cared about civilians they would have built a system to prevent destruction by a malevolent outside force. Something like the patriot system, you know, the one that was developed a decade before the iron dome system. Now if hamas cared about the lives of civilians they would have not attacked a music festival. Or better yet, they wouldn’t us their own civilians as human shields. But that would be crazy, if the innocent civilians weren’t there to take the hit who would raid the next music festival?

[@kingeddiam2543]

@@StevieFQ yeah you mean the system that let's an AI decide if the civilian casualties caused by a missile is enough for it to be worthwhile to shoot down? Literally placing a monetary value on human life? And I'm not trying to argue in favour of hamas, but arguing that hamas is worse than the IDF is ridiculous imo. Read any testimonial by the thousands of Palestinian hostages the IDF have taken and you'll see what I mean

[@amineboum9493]

yeah , w8 until you hear what the zionists deal is abt

[@lynox172]

Bruh that’s the worst deal I’ve ever heard and I’m German and read Versailles.

[@hankjones3527]

😅 Fair comeback.

[@matthewshapiro6870]

fantastic comment

[@lrmry]

😂

[@f-86zoomer37]

But you started WW1 destroyed all of Belgium and half of France, and then you lost, so literally any terms that weren't unconditional surrender were fair play. Don't start wars you can't win is the moral of history. Far worse has happened to entire countries that were aggressors and then lost.

[@hankjones3527]

@f-86zoomer37 A great speech but ignores the fact most countries in Europe have at one stage gone on a conquest bender. Some successfully, others not so. The only difference with WW1 was that industrialisation of warfare had taken everyone by surprise.

[@ericcook7622]

Hamas accepted a deal that wasn’t on the table.

[@yorksfolly1255]

It was a deal the USA brokerd

[@archangel2633]

​@@yorksfolly1255 well that's what Hamas claimed...

[@pyrolight7568]

@@yorksfolly1255 Which was not the original deal and was hot trash for Israel.

[@bootypluderer]

@@archangel2633 That's what the US claimed not just Hamas

[@truelies5431]

They were proposals by mediators and the US was one of those mediators.. the thing is if Natenyahu ends this war he's gonna be trailed by Israel for failing the country on oct the 7th and other corruption allegations... so invasion of rafah it is

[@miguellopes7627]

Equating living hostages to corpses of hostages is ridiculous, on the other hand is the idea of moving thousands of people to one corner of Gaza as the other is bombed, over and over again expected to be doable?

[@AL-lh2ht]

It’s about gaining control over the region. The only region Hamas has control is rafah.

[@MichuKutty-bc1yl]

There is no hostages in Israel.

[@Booz2020]

TAIWANESE Lives Matter 🇹🇼💯👀

[@miguellopes7627]

@@MichuKutty-bc1yl I was referring to Hamas' hostages, and their proposal of giving back corpses if they can't find the 30 hostages

[@veeaxis3892]

Moving every Gazan into Israel is a huge security risk and explains the 2005 withdrawal in the first place, and Egypt has essentially closed their border. Ending the war prematurely, letting Hamas remain in power after October 7th is unthinkable. Israel has little choice but to instruct civilians to move to safe areas within Gaza, unless anyone has a better suggestion.

[@Ramschat]

"This deal is a ruse meant to make it look like we rejected a deal and invaded instead of negotiating." *Rejects the deal and invades*

[@samwinchester1326]

The deal was ablosute garbage why the heck should 30 israeli lives be worth one Palestinian live? Why should israrl accept such crazy demands when they are winning the war?

[@redinblood]

Differences between the Israeli proposal and Hamas's proposal: - In Hamas's proposal, they do not commit in the first stage to release only living hostages, as Israel demanded, but it is noted that in the first stage, 33 hostages will be released - "alive or bodies," according to the criteria that meet humanitarian release. - Hamas wants to release 3 hostages every week, Israel wanted 3 hostages every three days. - The proposal states that the bodies will be delivered as a completion to the number 33. In Israel, they want the third stage of the deal to include returning bodies, and in the first two stages, only living hostages will be returned. - Different keys for the release of prisoners (30 and not 20 for each hostage, 50 and not 40 for a female soldier) - Regarding the release key for female soldiers, Hamas wants 30 lifetime prisoners (plus 20 prisoners whose remaining imprisonment time is up to ten years), Israel is willing to release 20 lifetime prisoners (plus 20 prisoners whose remaining imprisonment time is another ten years) - In Hamas's proposal, there is no Israeli veto right over the names of the lifetime prisoners, nor an option for extradition outside of Gaza, as Israel demanded - There is an agreement that by the seventh day, Hamas will transfer a list of the hostages it holds, but the document Hamas agreed to includes the phrase 'as far as possible' - Difference in the timing of the military withdrawal from Rashid Axis: The Israeli proposal speaks of a week after implementing the deal, and at the end of releasing all women, the Hamas presentation speaks of three days after, and not dependent on the release of the women - Hamas's proposal includes a commitment to reach agreements regarding the prisoner release key for men - soldiers and civilians - by day 35 - Hamas's proposal includes a clause that defines that the temporary ceasefire (the cessation of military activity) will continue in phase B until a full agreement is reached. Hamas's proposal does not include a clause about the 'end of the war' in the first phase - Hamas's proposal includes the release of all prisoners who were re-arrested after being released in the Gilad Shalit deal. This is not mentioned in the Israeli document - Hamas's proposal includes the removal of restrictions on the conditions of prisoners in Israeli jail imposed following 7/10. This is not mentioned in the Israeli document - Israel and Hamas agree on evacuating wounded Hamas members for treatment outside the Gaza Strip - but do not agree on the number (Hamas wants at least 50 per day) and also on the timing of the implementation of the move (Hamas wants from the first day, Israel agreed after two weeks) - Israel demanded that as part of the rehabilitation, Hamas must not rebuild its military infrastructure, as well as the importation of materials for military use. This was removed from the Hamas proposal - Guarantors to the agreement - The Israeli proposal includes Qatar, Egypt, and the USA. The Hamas proposal also includes the UN, in addition to Qatar, Egypt, and the USA.

[@kwiatw]

If was representing Israel I wouldn't take this deal either. Terrible, biased, but not surprising, reporting from TLDR.

[@redinblood]

@@kwiatw I don’t think it’s a question of take the deal or leave it. Hamas’s offer is bad for Israel for sure, and the government shouldn’t accept it as it is, but it’s a step in the negotiations. There are more stuff agreed upon then disagreed upon. True, the disagreements are on major issues, but that’s why there is still a negotiation table this should sit at, with or without military action in Rafah.

[@sheacunning9208]

@@kwiatw It wouldn't be TLDR news if they weren't trying to paint israel in as bad news as possible. Also notice how their website feedback for bias always is mysteriously down everytime they release an israeli video. Almost as if we're allowed to point out bias on any story except Israeli stories.

[@Serocco]

​@@redinbloodYou know what's worse for Israel? Lying to Egypt and the US about accepting the deal then saying no and invading Rafah anyway.

[@rachaelik]

​@@SeroccoYep. Nobody should ever believe Israel again.

[@TheGhostOf2020]

I nearly spit my drink out after hearing you say the first initial details of hamas’s proposal. The last 24 hours of the news cycle first seemed to imply that Hamas was agreeing to the proposal that was on the table and that Israel was walking away from it, then more reports on how it was a different agreement proposal that wasn’t even floated yet, and now hearing the specifics it’s hard to believe Hamas is being serious about diplomacy at all here. From a completely an objective standpoint the idea that one party would abandon all military gains and favorable positioning for a pinky promise of maybe releasing hostages piecemeal starting a month from now is absurd. Bilateral agreements are inherently built on proportional concessions and checks that incentivize both sides to hold their end of the agreement.

[@zachweyrauch2988]

What's proportional to a hostage?

[@Newidhan]

@@zachweyrauch2988 apparently 20 imprisoned palestinians, anything from rock throwers to literal psychopathic murderers of whole families with a life-in-prison sentence

[@mrmyth5846]

Well stated! And spot on.

[@AttaBek1422]

Netanyahu: We want our hostages back Hamas: Here’s a deal to hand over the remaining hostages Netanyahu: Did I say hostages back? I actually meant destroying Hamas And lets not forget the Gaza settlement conferences his ministers keep attending…

[@tjfirhfjejUTH24]

@@AttaBek1422except it’s literally not the remaining hostages lol

[@editorrbr2107]

Absolutely mental. No one would have accepted that “deal”

[@sapwho]

Israel literally agreed to it earlier

[@g-rexsaurus794]

@@sapwho Source?

[@socialpast9924]

@@g-rexsaurus794literally in this video

[@amineboum9493]

hamas cant accept other deals because they cant surrender to netanyahou claims , because if he destroys this resistance , he can take the rest og whats remaining (west bank0

[@phiality9070]

​@@socialpast9924 except isreal never agreed, it was hamas who agreed but Israel rejected.

[@z0mb1e564]

Yeah, I can see why Hamas would agree to that deal. They only have to send back corpses but they get all their people back.

[@meretricioussimp7759]

hamas doesnt really know how many hostages they have, and will have after the process. Hamas isnt a state, its in its current form a guarilla force, it really doesnt have the organizational and logistical capabilities of a state, their plan isnt to give 33 bodies, that wouldnt satisfy israel at all and nothing forces them to keep the ceasefire after that, its just a contingency to make sure israel cant back out if they come with 32 and the other is bombed on the way

[@Physiker17]

Are you insinuating Hamas would kill the rest of the hostages and then send the corpses back?

[@baiwuli6781]

that is not the reason lol. The agreement stipulates the release of three hostages weekly. If one of the hostages is dead, the deal will be off. Think harder next time

[@rafalpilat4229]

@@baiwuli6781 Its not. According to the "Deal" they can substitute hostages for corpses of hostages.

[@baiwuli6781]

@@rafalpilat4229 I dont see this part in the video, but if that is true, then yeah i can see why.

[@Apocalypse21OG]

2:27 So what is stopping them from giving 33 corpses

[@tempejkl]

they’ll give all the living ones, and then the rest will be the dead.

[@zaper2904]

Nothing and that's exactly what they were planning to do.

[@Gluzil]

@@immylon4608 why spread your bs like it is an elementry school's bathroom?

[@thenamesianna]

Yeah, I was wondering that

[@baiwuli6781]

2:10 because they gonna give 3 hostages per week 🤨

[@jamesbambury]

I am sorry that was not a deal? That was a wishlist of everything hamass wants I am not shocked Israel did not agree.

[@iwersonsch5131]

Could someone go over the differences between the Egyptian proposal that Israel accepted and the Egyptian proposal that Hamas accepted?

[@gkbhai8962]

Hamas "accepted" a proposal that didnt exist.

[@user-op8fg3ny3j]

​@@gkbhai8962 3:49

[@vod96]

Thats the thing, its not publicly available - for some reason, we know exactly what Hamas wants, but no idea what Israel wants.

[@PeskyWabb1t]

egyot agreement leaves HAMAS in charge of Gaza. Israel has always maintained that regime change is part of their plan, so they arent going to agree to withdraw all their troops before that happens.

[@AL-lh2ht]

@@vod96Israel literally stated they want the hostages and Hamas lose control of Gaza so the Hamas attacks can stop.

[@catgoot12]

That is an awful deal

[@XAUCADTrader]

This dead or alive thing is a bit odd...

[@danw2502]

"Hamas agreed to a cease fire deal" is a WILD oversimplification . that's the same as saying i agreed to a deal to buy your channel for 1$

[@serrael-182]

They made an offer for a deal on their conditions with a weird timing.

[@danw2502]

​ they want to stop the rapah offensive, that's the only leverage they have

[@hartlytartly]

I wouldn't have accepted that deal if I were Israel either.

[@anoooouur7304]

Israel itself did that deal, and then refused it.

[@Adam-wg2rf]

​​@@anoooouur7304it was not what egypt said it was a hamas edit to their side of the deal that's why israel said no

[@rafalpilat4229]

@@anoooouur7304 No they didnt, did you watch the video? The "Deal" was not a deal at all but a proposal by egypt.

[@bigg.grizzlybear2670]

@@anoooouur7304 WHATTT !!!

[@007kingifrit]

@@anoooouur7304 show me any evidence at all israel took that deal

[@_Helicam_]

After negotiating with themself Hamas agreed to the deal they proposed.

[@JoeeyTheeKangaroo]

I'm hearing a lot of 'Israel must do this' demands.

[@deficrypto1234]

Israel is the occupier.

[@MichaelDavis-mk4me]

@@deficrypto1234 Exactly, Israel has the strong hand here. Don't expect them to bend the knee to a foe with no territory left.

[@yee2631]

@@MichaelDavis-mk4me I'd expect them to at least follow international law and not illegally settle the West Bank while carrying out a genocide in Gaza.

[@AL-lh2ht]

@@deficrypto1234 there are no settlers i gaza. gazas self run, by hamas. but please explain to me how sexual assault by hamas helps the Palestine cause. Oh wait you just wat all the jews to be ethnically cleaned Israel genocide advocate.

[@AL-lh2ht]

@@yee2631 oh the genocide the UN said not happened?

[@georgeclarke2258]

Hamas seems to be negotiating as though they are winning. It doesn’t work that way

[@dVector13]

You dont know how to negotiate, then.

[@georgeclarke2258]

@@dVector13 this isn’t a business deal simp

[@12Metatron]

​@dVector13 no usually the losing side has to make concessions. Otherwise the winning side could just continue and gain more than if they accepted

[@Sterren-ws6jc]

Imagine starting a war, losing it and then making demands while hinting at a fact that most, if not all, hostages are already dead.

[@jakel8627]

They committed a massacre. Israel declared war.

[@akramhaila4476]

Nice try fed

[@Lusitano9514]

Israel in a nutshell

[@alexeistrife56]

Yeah, just like the Native Americans when they started all those wars with America and they begged to be be allowed to live on their lands. Don't start wars you can't win, buddies.

[@maxqazwsxedc1050]

I'm genuinely confused which side you're referring to

[@jamsheedranderia2897]

What is funny is that hamas still thinks they can dictate terms after the conditions they are in😂

[@beniu1305]

how the hell do they think they can dictate terms when their only still standing building is in qatar where the hamas leaders live

[@aymenyahyaoui1771]

I mean you tell me who rules gaza and khan younes and forced the idf to retreat who still has the hostages by all mean we still have the hostages so yeah we can still dictate terms

[@jamsheedranderia2897]

@@aymenyahyaoui1771 retreat?😂😂😂😂 what war you looking at you like terror sympatyzer gaza is rubble

[@PhilipLaSnail]

@@aymenyahyaoui1771 I don't know how to tell you that in a serious way so I'll just read you the losses of each side in this war in the battle of khan younis for you to understand it better. Israel: 37 soldiers dead Hamas: 3,000~ terrorists dead when the numbers are 100x in your favor, you don't have a real reason to retreat but a diplomatic reason or a strategic reason. (These are the estimates of Hamas and Israel (both agree on it)

[@rafalpilat4229]

They know well they cant dictate terms. They are proposing unrealistic terms on purpose, so they can say "We tried to make peace and Israel rejected." damaging Israels reputation on the world stage.

[@jamieconnor3505]

Problem is, from Israel's POV, leaving Hamas around is asking to be attacked again in the future. It's a risk the government there is likely not willing to take

[@socialistrepublicofvietnam1500]

Just get better fences

[@andrewpritt8739]

yeah true

[@haruhisuzumiya6650]

Bibi's government funded Hamas in secret

[@tombo416]

So why did they try to frame this entire thing around hostages if they never really cared in the first place? Why couldn’t they just be honest and say they want to wipe Palestine out instead of trying to gain sympathy 😂

[@user-op8fg3ny3j]

It's a risk they willingly took when they have been funding Hamas for years and ignored the warnings of Oct 7th

[@user-ym3ry2fc7n]

you cant brake a ceasefire 2 time in 2 months and then ask why no one agreeing to your ceasefire

[@Dojafish]

Are trying to side with the people who do fucking genocide? Literally Isreal won't agree with the ceasefire because they want Palestinians exterminated and all of the land for themselves.

[@Newidhan]

I don't get why israel is painted as the unreasonable party. The ceasefire deal Hamas 'agreed' to essentially means rollback the clock to October 8 and give Hamas everything they want. It's not a ceasefire, it's a demand for Israeli surrender

[@seanonraet8327]

It's a demand that they go home and stop bombing civilians and blocking aid?

[@inwalters]

@@arturferrao7353 They're already there, so that would be tough.

[@applepiepieapple5464]

Found the mossad agent 🫵

[@pistolsniper6281]

@@arturferrao7353I don’t see how the hostage release is in anyway fair,like how could you think that

[@DonaldPrizwan]

@@arturferrao7353 way to strawman the dudes argument. or maybe you arent intelligent enough to understand that when he said "israeli surrender" he meant in the context of the gaza offensive. this type of behaviour is common in the super left in america right now. it honestly reminds me of debating with theists. you should cut it out, makes you look foolish.

[@devalapar7878]

The US and ISrael proposed a deal for months. Why didn't Hamas accept that? That would have released the hostages and there would have been a permanent ceasefire.

[@aa-cy7eb]

cuz the permanent ceasefire was hamas proposal genius not the u.s and israeli one israeli proposal boils down to give us the hostages back and we give you few more moments to live

[@ejt3708]

@@aa-cy7ebwow ur the genius i guess you luv death and torture

[@phallusy6574]

Israel proposal was give hostages back and we will continue as we were. So... no.

[@steinarnielsen8954]

A "permanent" ceasefire once again broken by Hamas.

[@ironbolt2678]

It semms funny that Hamas, losing side which provoked a war makes demands like they were celebrating victory in Jerusalem. I hate wars, I cannot understand why someone would want to kill anyone. However, when you play grown up-games, you face grown-up consequences.

[@yusteryumeister4601]

Nobody disputes that, im concerned that the 'grown-up consequences' are being given mostly to innocent people who are dying

[@rubensalsa8128]

'I hate wars' , two seconds later : 'fk around and find out'. Jesus man, the civilians have nothing to do with the 'grown-up consequences' youre basically jerking off to in the corner. They didn't make the calls, all of the hamas leaders aren't even in Gaza, they're in Qatar chilling whilst all this is happening.

[@user-op8fg3ny3j]

Because it's the same way Nasser was able to politically win in the Suez crisis despite being militarily defeated

[@vod96]

Welcome to the last 80 years of the Israeli - Palestinian conflict. Get comfortable

[@zUJ7EjVD]

Saying Hamas started this is a bit wrong. Sure, they started the latest "ramping up" of the war, but Israel has been slowly waging war against Palestine for decades. Death by a thousand cuts doesn't make it any less atrocious.

[@selecks6462]

That deal makes no sense to me, from all the way over here it doesn't look like hamas has much a position to make any demands

[@zehavi111]

Apparently theu do because the west including TLDR shows their demands in a positive lights. The west is in a free fall

[@theunholyburger9338]

They basically want Israel to leave rebuild Gaza and pretend this never happened.

[@001sander2]

They have hundreds of Israeli prisoners. Those lives mean nothing to you huh.

[@t34r]

​@@001sander2 In a strategic sense, this hostages are irrelevant. Hamas could release them all tomorrow and the war would still continue. After all why should the Israelis let Hamas off the hook for some hostages when they could just remove the threat that took hostages in the first place.

[@user_xsr]

They do and they matters however they want prisoners to be released if im not mistaken. These are bo mb maker s, su i cide bombers and te rro rists which can create more and new attacks. It's a very difficult choice to make, what is ur take on that?​@@001sander2

[@alexlaza5301]

I am for ceasefire. But this "Ceasefire Proposal" sounds more like a surrender proposal for Israel.

[@007kingifrit]

there is no ceasefire possible. two sides hate eachother. one must win.

[@serrael-182]

Its not a matter of hate for israel but security... if they would truly hate they would kill 2 million people in gaza in ons week.​@@007kingifrit

[@Alexx481]

​@@007kingifrit Israel will win

[@SuperJibulus]

It’s quite simple to understand why Israel are attacking Rafah… because Hamas started attacking Israel from Rafah. Not hard to understand.

[@haresmahmood]

That doesn't explain why the Israeli forces declared southern Gaza including Rafah a safe zone for civilians and forced millians of them to relocate there at the start of the war

[@SuperJibulus]

@@haresmahmood it was a safe zone. They weren’t being attacked from Rafah, they were focussing on where Hamas were. It’s almost as if Hamas deliberately stay close to civilian populations and hide behind them. They moved to Rafah along with the innocent people and then started attacking from there. They’re disgusting cowards and I hope Israel achieves its mission of wiping them out. They make children stand near their weaponry after its position is given away because if Israel attack that strategic position it’ll mean they can report the killing of children. Hamas also have soldiers below the age of 18. There is no such thing as a “child soldier” in the west, so when their deaths are reported they’re reported as if they’re innocent children.

[@SuperJibulus]

@@haresmahmood I responded but the KZbin bot system removed my comment, maybe you can see it in a notification. No point in continuing the discussion if online censorship removes the comments.

[@NivGeva]

Because they wanted to start attacking the city of Gaza itself and its area where the Hamas headquarters were and many more stategic places. Now, most of Hamas brigades who are left stay in Rafah, and also many Hamas terrorists/fighters from other brigades evecuated to Rafah hiding between civilians, so Israel want to get there to keep eliminating Hamas.​@haresmahmood

[@serrael-182]

​@@haresmahmoodit perfectly is doing that. To reach every part of gaza civilians need to move more than one time. Your welcome to explaining you logic.

[@doratar]

The first phase of hostage releasing in the original deal was only live ones, and the deal Hamas approved say that the hostages released could either be dead, or alive, according to Hamas's choice- This is one of the biggest gap between the deals Also, the Hamas deal is forcing Israel to stop the war, which is obviously not possible if the target of the war is to defend Israel from another October 7th

[@aa-cy7eb]

well hamas cant do a jesus move and resurrect the dead if israelis are killing them israelis proved to not care about israeli lives they didnt on oct 7th like 60% of 1200 were killed by israeli weaponry they care about one thing and its destruction of hamas and in long term establishing the greater israel which is every place that is named in bible that a jewish prophet walked on which looks like a global domination plan since its big chunk of trade routes can influence west and east complete huge percentage of world energy resources

[@rafalpilat4229]

Lol, its not even a deal, just an egyptian proposal

[@deficrypto1234]

The conflict didnt start on October 7th. Furthermore, Israel killed 17k people in LEBANON. With ur reasoning, Lebanon should continue fighting to prevent that happening again. No one keeps fighting in a war to prevent casualties. If Arab armies can stop fighting after taking casualties, Israel can do the same. No double standards!

[@person3231]

@@deficrypto1234 A previous ceasefire was broken on Oct 7th by Hamas, they declared war on Israel firing dozens of rockets and breaking their way into Israel, so yes, the conflict was started on Oct 7th.

[@deficrypto1234]

@@person3231 Provide evidence of this pre-October 7th ceasefire please. Furthernore, Israel has a long history of breaking ceasefires. So, by your reasoning, Hamas can attack Israel when Israel breaks ceasefires, agree?

[@goodlookingcorpse]

I find it striking that Hamas can say, "We agree to give back the hostages. Well, unless we've killed them all", and a large part of the world will treat this as a good-faith effort at peaceful coexistence.

[@dannydxm]

Tells you all you need to know about their supporter's level of morality and intelligence.

[@cristinakasselas555]

I have no idea where that came from ! Hamas added at the deal the released of the West Bank civilians hostages that idf got without any charges including children ! They asked as well for the civilians hostages in the israelis prisons that died, and the idf DO NOT GIVE THEIR BODIES BACK TO THE FAMILIES - that's the point ! Turkyie just arrested some israelis that are accused ( that's what turkish say ) of organs traffic

[@magnifiedentertainment7160]

That hamas deal is ridiculous they are in no place to make demands!

[@hope_seeker]

Hamas says this because of bombings. Israel kills the hostages constantly

[@cristinakasselas555]

hamas added to the deal that all the palestinians civilians held in the israelis cages without any charges to be realised ! And all the bodies of all the palestinians that died in prison to be retuned to the families ! That are the corpses ! Read haaretz instead to listen to interpretations

[@TheOutsider-vc1hy]

Can't figure out why Israel would've said no to this... 'proposal'. /sarcasm. Seriously, why would Israel agree to these ridiculous terms that don't even release no where near all the hostages, and then Hamas having the audacity of demanding Palestinian prisoners' freedom for the bodies of said hostages.

[@kjhajueg_2731]

Your report is not correct. Netaniyahu or any other, Israeli side did not agree at any stage to the ambiguity "live or dead" hostages and not to the number of 33 of those. This basically means that Hamas can return 3 bodies every week and say that they respect this agreement.

[@g-forcemapping8454]

Also Israel wanted 3 bodies every 3 days.

[@rmmvw]

It's VERY telling that Hamas wants a ceasefire and not a treaty/truce. Shows that they're wanting to go back in and fight again. Peace is never an option.

[@bapo224]

Did you not watch the video? Stage 3 is clearly meant as permanent peace... Israel is literally the one that keeps proposing temporary ceasefires for 24 and 48 hour periods...

[@moharshad6882]

Exactly, it’s an idealogy, an idealogy of hate, what do u thinks ganna happend after this war? After all these innocent Palestinians dying, losing their family members and getting there house bombed? It’s ganna grow, see this is the problem u Americans/westerners don’t get, u all think Israel wants peace with Palestinians but that’s not true at all, they wanna take Gaza and West Bank, they wanna push these Palestinians out

[@Elongated_Muskrat]

So it was more like a list of demands from Hamas?

[@andrewgutierrez4841]

"It's unlikely Netanyahu understand it the same way" is certainly one way to put it

[@limodemh5468]

0:46 You said "peace agreement", but it is not a peace agreement with the Palestinians. What was proposed was a ceasefire for a few years, Hamas will receive aid from all over the world and will attack again after this. With his stated and practical goal of destroying Israel then there was no peace. Recently there was an interview (from a month ago) with the leader of Hamas who clearly says that this step is only to promote the destruction of Israel.

[@cristinakasselas555]

''Hamas will receive aid '' is that ILEGAL under the international law ? Or are we still fooling that only israel is the one to right to defence ?! Beside Blinken was the one spiting on every channels on Fri that hamas HAVE TO ACCEPT the offer as is a great one !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Then when they add their demands and accept the deal, put up with the CIA they are the villain ! We all can see it on display we don't need anymore translation

[@adamelghalmi9771]

it literally isnt... the deal was for a permanent ceasefire, and cessation of all hostilities for the forseeable future

[@iselmon]

@@adamelghalmi9771 There was a permanent ceasefire in place before 7/10. Hamas' word is worth shit.

[@deficrypto1234]

Provide evidence of the Hamas leader stating they are promoting the destruction of Israel.

[@dVector13]

Love how you quote hamas leadership on destroying israel. I wonder what your thoughts are on Ben-Gvir's equally ludicrous statements regarding palestine?

[@Max11B]

Hamas proposal was a joke. They don’t want a ceasefire. To say otherwise is a joke also

[@XquizitRush]

Actually they do, but they way overestimated their negotiating power with Israel, thinking that World pressure would lead to Israel's acceptance to their ridiculous proposal.

[@Max11B]

@@XquizitRush yeah I’m sure 😂

[@007kingifrit]

@user-et7wb3ct3o isreal's ceasefires are essentially exactly what we said to germany in ww2. surrender unconditionally. not unreasonable at all given how evil hamas is

[@gideonmele1556]

Trying to buy time and try to help PR but doing it at the last moment to different terms that the other party didn’t agree to looks desperate. To be fair, they aren’t exactly winning so a desperate situation is a rather apt description

[@NDNBMirli]

So now you call palestinians nazi​@@007kingifrit

[@akashzz4347]

not even a fool would accept this deal.

[@TheJackb45]

a good deal is when both parties feel they have been fooled

[@alfredjo-kx1gl]

well Israel had already accepted it

[@infidelheretic923]

​@@alfredjo-kx1gl Not so. Another nation accepted it on their behalf.

[@alfredjo-kx1gl]

@@infidelheretic923 cool buddy your opinion doesn't really matter but Israel literally agreed to it and secretary of state wanted to blame hamas so bad and was like hamas can end the war right now, when they accepted it it shook the americans and israelies bcz they were not expecting it, and hence the media blackout

[@dswiftie8991]

@@alfredjo-kx1glisrael didn’t accept this deal. It accepted a different deal that was suggested by Egypt 2 days earlier, but Hamas made changes and added new conditions that Israel never agreed to, and then said they “accepted “ the deal. It was a clear ruse meant to put israel in a bad light and you clearly fell for it.

[@lrmry]

Hamas agreed to a deal they negotiated with themselves 🤦‍♀️

[@michaelkoss24]

Just curious - why did you not do a similar video on the multiple ceasefire deals rejected by Hamas over the past several weeks. Seems that is rather pertinent to how we got to this situation. Your reporting makes it seem as though Israel has not been at the negotiating table. Regretful TLDR now chooses to paint a biased picture, I had really enjoyed your reporting in the past but it seems, I should probably re-evaluate my trust in what your organisation puts out there if cherry picking facts is your method.

[@ejt3708]

Yep. Seems biased. Not really interested in buying Nebula for that noise!

[@eliziv8805]

He is obviously biased against Israel. Just like most leftist Europeans. Israel must fight for its life and win!

[@jamessloven2204]

It is kind of ridiculous that it is portrayed as Israel escalating the war. Hamas is proposing a deal as if they have won the war, and not as if they are being destroyed for committing crimes against humanity.

[@andithanoj8372]

Crimes against humanity😂😂😂​@@jamessloven2204

[@taylorbolduc1763]

Hamas isnt in a position to negotiate. Anything less than unconditional surrender shouldnt be acceptable to Israel

[@0MVR_0]

they are winning though

[@getblacked1351]

​@@0MVR_0 how?

[@Mudi106]

​@@getblacked1351have you seen how many Palestine flags are flying around the world and how much israel is becoming a pariah state? Palestine was almost forgotten by the West, and now students in the West are protesting in favor of Palestine.

[@getblacked1351]

@@Mudi106 and that did nothing

[@frgwyn3760]

@@getblacked1351it is slowly, browns university so far has stopped its ties with Israel. It’s hard though.

[@lforlight]

Israel won't agree to a deal that leaves Hamas standing in the end of the war. Hamas won't agree to a deal that doesn't force Israel to stop fighting while Hamas is still in power. Both sides have said so, and so no deal can be had. It's painfully obvious that whatever Hamas claimed to agree to hasn't come from Israel, and therefore is simply proposing an offer rather than accepting one.

[@shohamgodel]

This is not "His invention of Gaza." I strongly oppose Netanyahu, but this is an Israeli response that is widely supported.

[@AL-lh2ht]

Please tell me next how this excuses saying Israel must be genocided

[@user-bs9hm6gg9i]

why shouldnt it be supported? us and britain interventions in iraq and aphganistan alone caused way more civilian deaths,thousands of miles away from europe let alone the us...we are protecting our homes and prevent another 1929 hebron and safed massacre or 1941 farhud or seyfo like the assyriacs faced.

[@krombopulos_michael]

I don't think they were trying to single him out as being the only Israeli wanting to invade, they're just saying that because he is the leader of Israel. If you had a video about Ukraine trying to take back a city controlled by Russia, they could call it "Zelensky's counter offensive" or "Ukraine's counteroffensive" and it would mean the same thing.

[@GracefulBanana]

WIDELY SUPPORTED? By who 😭

[@litterbox2010]

It doesn't matter if something evil is popular or 'widely supported'. That doesn't justify the evil.

[@kunikloy477]

So according to Hamas, 1 isrealis worth 50 Palestinians?

[@mrcocoloco7200]

Yes

[@Atheist_Indian]

Leaving Hamas is like letting a snake live in your bed , Israel must not do that

[@Jennyeq]

humanity must not let that happen. Yesterday they are coming after the Jews, tomorrow they'll come after the other 'non believers'.

[@Atheist_Indian]

@@Jennyeq As a Kafir , well said brother

[@jayrogan1835]

Then this isnt the right way of doing it. Israel has only galvanized Hamas support and if there goal was to truly eradicate hamas it would not be through the displacement of 2 million people and the death of 30,836 civilians.

[@Atheist_Indian]

@@jayrogan1835 then what are the other options available to Israel , can you tell me

[@harlowida]

Israel is the snake in this case. They’ve killed thousands of children and women

What am I missing, but... If Hamas cares about their ppl they should just unconditionally surrender.

[@Sirstarya]

Here is the neat point they don’t

[@runiccurse990]

Why didn't the Soviets and UK just unconditionally surrender to the Nazis

[@007kingifrit]

@@runiccurse990 the difference is those were countries capable of winning. hamas isn't capable of winning

[@jhingoorpatima237]

No one care about people in the world but themselves !!!

[@VYZD846]

They don’t 😂

[@BENCHARSK1]

I really appreciate you guys so much, theres so many political commentator KZbinrs now that will say completely different things about what should be just facts of the matter, i read the deal and i dont like how everyone is completely misrepresentating it to pander to there side, keep going and much love from Canada.

[@riderramblings]

Could you do a video on why no one is discussing or producing videos etc. about the other atrocities happening in the Middle East and Africa? It seems these atrocities are, in some cases, many thousands of times worse than what is happening in Israel.

[@theanarchist4312]

theres atrocities in israel?

[@user-yg7fv3jo8v]

FACT: On October 7th, Palestinians celebrated in the streets, distributed cakes, and helped kidnap Israelis to Gaza, into the tunnels. They also, in exchange for money, kept the kidnapped individuals in their homes to blend them into the population.

[@arturferrao7353]

Any evidence for this claim? Or is just like the beheaded babies and military bases under hospitals?

[@cosmiccentaur]

Israeli bot found

[@harlowida]

Sure hasbara bot. We all know Israelis support the death of 13,000 children

[@sowetoninja9398]

Also, majority of them agreed with Hamas tactics in a survey launched in Gaza. Look at how their kindergarten centers and schools are run, they are full of hate

[@phallusy6574]

Do the Israelis not do similar or worse? The "settlers"?

[@gershonmat4162]

Oh shit here we go again, toxic comments in 1... 2...3

[@gideonmele1556]

Don’t forget the obligatory bots

[@gangstadrz9326]

Poop

[@Paraneoz]

No wonder they said no if that's the deal, crazy to make such demands when youre on the loosing end.

[@user-op8fg3ny3j]

3:59

[@oooshafiqooo4722]

they accepted bruh. but then they dont what?

[@yayfly7349]

maybe ask Hamas to actually spend their funds on bomb shelters rather than building more tunnels or military setups in hospitals

[@user-op8fg3ny3j]

​Whataboutism. That's like telling Ukraine to divert military aid to building more bunkers

[@myoko343]

Israel is losing in the long run. It's image is forever tarnished and a pariah state. It is in free fall babe. WHat a beautiful thing

[@ChitrakBanerjee]

Hamas's expectations of israel to accept their "proposal" Is ludicrous at best and flat out dumb at worst

[@baiwuli6781]

It's a clever move that ordinary citizens like you will never be able to understand. By making this "proposal", Israel can no longer blame Hamas for not releasing hostages, because now they made a proposal. If Israel refuses the proposal, it will make Israel look like a warmonger and it will lose further more international support.

[@ChitrakBanerjee]

@@baiwuli6781 but Israel can blame hamas for this "proposal"

[@baiwuli6781]

@@ChitrakBanerjee blame hamas for what ? for showing the intention to end (at least temporary) the war and release hostages ? This is how most people will be see it. It's not wise to do that.

[@ChitrakBanerjee]

@@baiwuli6781 so u admit that hamas gaslights ppl?

[@entertainment-mj1rv]

if someone came to your house, occupied 80% of it killed half your family and while trying to kill the rest? would you say the same thing?

[@timothygallagher978]

Wow, you really hit the "three things" of "three things". Normally it boils down to "the way we see it comes down to three things" or "two reasons". Straight up every video has the inevitable "three things" moment.

[@Wholiganu]

I find it disgusting that you say that the Rafah assault will damage Israel's standing instead of pointing out it has led to hundreds of deaths with many more to come.

[@yanivgammeter7999]

Hamas didnt accept an Israeli ceasefire proposal. They received, modified and accepted their own modified proposal. No agreement between two parties works like that. Imagine you make an offer on a house, and the owner doubles the price and accepts the modified offer. Hamas aren't serious. There only goal is to destroy Israeli credibility, with no fear for their own because they're already a terrorist group. Btw anyone can find their modified ceasefire "agreement", it's in Arabic though, so you have to translate it if you dont speak Arabic.

[@infidelheretic923]

New proposal. Hamas dies or surrenders. Then ceasefire. How's that?

[@Tybold63]

Something like that yes..

[@tiglishnobody8750]

That not ceasefire

[@ragglefraggle9111]

The only reason Hamas ever made any sort of agreement was because they would be expelled from Qatar otherwise

[@n7warhound885]

Hamas agreed to a deal that was not on the table. It’s a ploy to put pressure on Israel. But history has shown Israel no amount of pressure will stop this war. Slow it yes but not stop it

[@TheRealPingu]

The theatre of war.

[@jorehir]

A ridiculous proposal, as if Hamas was on the winning side...

[@MasticinaAkicta]

Something tells me Hamas really didn't want a deal buuut, losing that last big area might just kill their movement. Hence suddenly they act nice.

[@gideonmele1556]

And possibly losing their safe position of being hosted in Qatar

[@ConnorCocoas]

And they’re not even “acting”very well

[@egylord2623]

I have a lot of respect for this channel but the title and thumbnail are misleading. The current title/thumbnail make it look as if the ceasefire deal/negotiations were a factor in deciding whether to invade. The truth is, as stated by Netanyahu in a public address a few days ago, Israel planned to invade Rafah regardless of whether a ceasefire deal is reached or not. Do not (even if unintentionally) justify for Israel.

[@kumbaya69421]

Not going to lie. Why sre Hamas acting like they have the upper hand here??

[@serrael-182]

Because thsnks to lefties and muslims all over the world they somehow have good chances.

[@sudiptokumar986]

The problem is that you can say that it's the same deal Israel proposed. But the question is when? At that time Israel did not attack and Hamas did not accept. Now the wheel has turned. And the same can not be applied.

[@Deepakkumar-pn6vw]

Crafting such an agreement shows Hamas hasn't been satisfied yet with Palestinian sufferings.

[@davidaway753]

They wouldn't be able to throw their gays off the rooftops if there will be no rooftops left in Gaza.

[@EKFN117]

I Wonder how many gay people died as a result of Israeli war effort....

[@EKFN117]

I wonder how many gay people have been killed from Israeli bombing....

[@echidnaralsei1473]

werent those clips of isis? that was like over at iraq-syria

[@EKFN117]

I wonder how many gay people were buried as a result of the Israeli war effort......

[@llaammeerr2506]

​@@EKFN117but unlike hamas, israel wasn't targetting gay people

[@CIS101]

Just prior to 2:44 that should be "fewer details" because details are countable or potentially countable. So for example less water, or fewer water molecules.

[@harelswissa9821]

Israel agreed 3 weeks ago on a deal, the deal Hamas agreed on was NOT the same one presented to Israel, the key difference is that Hamas is not required to bring living people, he can exchange 33 bodies and keep the living hostages

[@callformotivation]

Is it me or Netanyahu is wearing the kippah more now than ever before?

[@domkieran8077]

hah I noticed this video was the first time I saw him wearing one!

[@LA-cm9uo]

yes and many israelis are turning back to their faith

[@jonathanpriel5013]

It is a picture from the Holocaust memorial day ceremony. It is common for secular jews to wear kippa in such ceremonies.

[@phallusy6574]

he's pulling his hair out

[@ilansimon3962]

False… He puts one on only in ceremonies such as the holocaust Memorial Day and next week Memorial Day.

[@Agtsmirnoff]

Hamas have played their last game with the joke of a proposal. They don't seem to know or don't care that they are losing. They'd rather every Gazan die than surrender and/or give up power. This is par for the course with them.

[@gideonmele1556]

IIRC it had been officially stated by them as such and would essentially be PR for their cause. Mid-2000’s since. Add in that their polling numbers weren’t doing too well just before October

[@insertname5371]

Ok can we all agree it’s hella sus they made a higher exchange rate for female prisoners?

[@bentrinker1937]

It’s sus they want to exchange the ppl they kidnapped the night not even be alive for 50 convicted prisoners.

[@moaqyigl]

its actually higher for female *soldiers*, the reason its specified this way is becouse this deal does not include any male soldiers at all, but they want 50 for soldiers and 30 for civilians.

[@cosmicjester6341]

It's psychological warfare. Hamas is using rape and violence against women as means to their end.

[@oriontigley5089]

It's very telling

[@MichaelDavis-mk4me]

Females have much more use for Hamas soldiers, they wouldn't mind keeping them. It's horrible, but it's the truth.

[@PedroOjeda]

Can you site the poll for Israeli and use of force in Gaza?

[@BS-jw7nf]

Good video, thanks tldr

[@ejt3708]

Don't agree. TLDR has framed the "deal" as something Israel agreed to. You only hear that they never agreed by implication. Confusing and Pro-Hamas storyline.

[@heleneklompas5084]

Hamas deal can not be recognized. As other 7 Oct-like attacks. As well as Hamas attempts to blame Israel for not accepting bizarre deals

[@orionstark]

I am on 2:30 and I am like "Well obviously Israel would not take this deal." The Gazans need to surrender. Unconditionally.

[@jhingoorpatima237]

Surely they would not surunder!!!

[@orionstark]

@@jhingoorpatima237 Then they are suicidal. The Israelis are fighting for their survival. If the Arab colonizers cannot co-exist with the regions indigenous people, then they will find themselves sent back to Mecca where they came from.

[@muhammadhabibieamiro3639]

Here we go again

[@user-lp2zn3ux1x]

I want a ceasefire but Israel is right-there is not much in this deal for them.

[@Gallalad1]

I find it interesting that Hamas only accepted the deal the moment Israel began to start the operation and was giving civilians time to evacuate. They had plenty of time before. It reeks of bad faith

[@entertainment-mj1rv]

bad faith? coming from Israel, who want to expel all Palestinians from their lands? bullshit

[@kwader_1404]

And civillian children who will pay the price

[@BertWithoutErnie]

Maybe hamas have their plans thats why they triggered it. Who knows 💁

[@leejackson3268]

hamas wants their own people to die because this gets them PR. that's why they use them as human shields

[@ThePandafriend]

​@@leejackson3268 We need to stop promoting the "human shields" narrative. Yes, a portion could be considered "human shields", but many bring their children to places for which bombings are anounced deliberately. The Islamic mindset is pretty insane. Many are happily becoming "martyrs". If they would value life there would be way less civilian casualties. Just listen to what Muslims are saying, especially what they are saying in Arabic.

[@madhatter2465]

Don't you get it! There are none left

[@kami_in_the_skye]

Because Israel already inadvertently took them all out themselves turning Gaza to rubble because they never actually gave a damn about the hostages in the first place.

[@lrmry]

Obviously false- they’ve provided proof of life for several

[@user_xsr]

Under qatar, egypt and UN. Ha, yea right

[@tiglishnobody8750]

They are mediator?

[@krieg_guardsman9548]

Not going to lie that deal sucked. Can't even get living hostages in the first part.

[@eranhaim9913]

yet the US pressures Israel to accept this deal cause Biden is about to lose the elections. the US flips like a steak and can't be trusted long term. also" "I agree to getting all my friends out of prison, retain my regime, rearm and rebuild all the tunnels to do it all over again in the not so distant future, I also agree to getting BJ from Taylor Swift, and getting 2 unicorns that sing in Arabic" - hamas, probably

[@bigbluebuttonman1137]

I think it should be stated for the record that Israel has held their own "not hostages" for the duration of the conflict, far more than Hamas managed to obtain, and many under the age of 18. Let's be clear on this. If I was to propose a ceasefire deal, it would start and end at "An indefinite ceasefire where both parties release *all* hostages from the start of October 7th onward. Failure to cease fire from any given party or failure for all hostages to be released shall result in resumption of hostilities." Does anybody believe this would be an *unfair* deal?

[@drgat6953]

Hamas would never agree to that. Their goal in taking hostages has always been to get their senior members that are in Israeli jails for years and have life sentences out.

[@driasalta4834]

No gaurantee hamas will even follow through if israel does comply, they never did so before

[@jakegarvin7634]

Is it just me or does that ceasefire deal sound kind've insulting?

[@kashcash2876]

Like Mosad Yousef said, " There is NO deal with the devil" And the audacity of Hamas to make demands after their Oct 7 massacre is appalling

[@ClamTheClammy]

They are not in a position to negotiate 😅

[@dannydenison6253]

You have no idea how precarious of a position this Jnocide has put Israel in. They could see a vast swing in opinions Due to the ICC, ICJ, and public sentiment in general. They are on the route of the apartide south african government. Pressure is low now, but building extremely rapidly. Every major move risks being the Catalyst.

[@santostv.]

I agree, but doesn’t change the fact that both sides are religious fanatics idiots that don’t care about their people.

[@cyclomb]

Israel doesn’t care about hostages 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@cristinakasselas555]

Oh but they are ! Just like the americans did it with Neldon Madela, all the guerilla fighters, the talibans the left over of the soviets and on and on and on ! Just like that !

[@willpickering5829]

@@dannydenison6253Seems like you’ve already made your conclusions and Israel has nothing to lose in that regard; might as well continue to Rafah then.

[@Ominous_Walrus]

The poster pointing at rafah at 00:14 looks like a poster that was dropped on allied soldiers in dunkirk.

[@psychoticcapybara9362]

Sounds like a very one sided agreement.

[@user-wl9ml2iu4m]

I am wondering whether Hamas's Israeli hostages are still alive

[@sinom6707]

Wow this deal is a joke. Good luck Israel.

[@mikewilliams6025]

SOmeone needs to give this people lessons on leverage. This ridiculous proposal just shows that any ceasefire was an antihumanitarian mistake.

[@shojimoko]

This is sound like demand from losing side lol

[@lordlorian81]

Plan that hamas agreed on Is full capitulation of israel or something like that Israel would never agree to something like that

[@haruhisuzumiya6650]

Where to?😂 Raffa is on the Egypt border

[@andrewpritt8739]

did you look at the map theres the coast☠

[@advakart4208]

@@andrewpritt8739 are they supposed to swim to cyprus?

[@ykwia1]

To the east. He mentioned this

[@AhmedAli-cf8oz]

Then why Jews didn't go to British and went to colonize Palestine when British was at their borders

[@andrewpritt8739]

@@advakart4208 Coastal cities big brain?

[@christopherk140]

What a one sided deal?????? NO DEAL BY ANYONE SANE!

[@KelticStingray]

Theres probably very few hostages left.

[@lynox172]

Real talk for a few seconds, I think it’s clear to every Israel will go ahead in Rafah by this point it’s more about how they do it and how much help gets there. Israel has made clear that there „red line“ is everything short of the destruction of Hamas, which means they will either wait with there offensive until public pressure wears off along with gradually getting people north and/or they will invade parts of Rafah each time wait for an response and then repeat.

[@alonbinyamin]

I am very encouraged by the responses here. Looks like not everyone in the world have lost touch with reality in the name of pure hatred of Israelies .