Unliked and Barely Trusted: How Is Starmer Ahead?

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Despite Labour leading in polls, Starmer's personal ratings are mediocre, with more perceiving him negatively. This video explores the apparent paradox, delving into Labour's polling and Starmer's personal ratings.
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[@petermcquillen5]

So many people arent voting for labour. Theyre voting for ‘not tory’ which is a big difference

[@julianshepherd2038]

That's fptp for you.

[@edsiebert5986]

I voted for Labour at the last GE as a show of hands for socialism. I cannot vote for Starmer's Labour party so will go back to voting Green as they're actually left wing. Luckily for me I live in an area where we may see a Green MP elected so it's not a "wasted vote".

[@edoardoturco8780]

@@edsiebert5986 Good for you, maybe you should adopt a second turn like in France for the Future.

[@scotandiamapping4549]

Fr

[@scotandiamapping4549]

​@@julianshepherd2038fr

[@stevecriddle3299]

"Untrustworthy" and "more trustworthy than the Tories" are not necessarily contradictory views.

[@malcolmmitchell6529]

Don't vote for anyone, ignore their election

[@2aph0d_b33blebr0x]

Untrustworthy and more untrustworthy than the Tories isn't contradictory either.

[@kyorin6526]

@@malcolmmitchell6529 And waste the only tool that you have to influence yours and your young family's future. Good tactic...

[@someoneno-one7672]

Politicians aren’t there for trusting. They deliver anything not because we trust them but either because they want to or, more often, because they have to. The party in government doesn’t want to deliver what most of U.K. citizens want and won’t have to if they are elected. The Labour would have to deliver at least 10% of what the majority want. Plus they genuinely want some useful things like devolution and better relations with EU.

[@paddymeboy]

'Unliked', though, isn't a word. The word is _disliked_ .

[@illegitimateotaku794]

tldr: The Tories are so horrendously bad at their jobs, how ppl feel about Starmer and Labour don't matter

[@bonariablackie4047]

Starmer will have his feet to the fire in a way that the Tories never are. He will HAVE to deliver.

[@JonyRotten]

@@bonariablackie4047 So true, no one held Liz Truss's feet to the fire😂

[@robertdavidson8028]

it does when you come to vote - I would never vote for that pile of do-do.

[@ac4486]

It will matter when Starmer is about to be kicked out after his first term and the Tories are lead by a full fash monster. Judging by form, Lab right response will be to attempt to outflank/appease said crazies, allowing the country to slide even further right. We really do have the worst leadership of Labour at the worst possible time.

[@someoneno-one7672]

@@JonyRotten Not with 80-seat majority

[@WestfaliaStuff]

In a world with 2 choices, even a Starmer can thrive.

[@andrewwalsh2755]

... if people are prepared to overlook his lies, deceit, dishonesty, apartheid denial and support for Israels war crimes and genocide... ... it's as good as in the bag... 😱

[@msimms-ft9yv]

liberal, green, UKIp ,now reform . If people wont vote for them , thats their choice, This still isnt USA or worse China

[@aceman0000099]

We need Scottish voting system 😭

[@bonariablackie4047]

Labour promise to institute Proportional Representation instead of the archaic First Past the Post that we currently have. Until PR is brought in though, vote tactically to oust every Tory in the land. And don't split the vote.

[@msimms-ft9yv]

@@bonariablackie4047 Have they really promised it? thats the old turkeys voting for xmas line

[@tobos8909]

Put simply: Starmer is "popular" because literally anything would be an improvement over the shit show we've had for almost a decade and a half

[@maigepresents5840]

If you want to see a popularity contest, watch Miss Universe. I want my politicians to be ugly and boring.

[@kopiec6565]

​@@maigepresents5840it's not a problem that he's boring (boring is good), it's a problem that he's slimy and untrustworthy. Still better than the tories though, no doubt.

[@goonerboz6023]

No hes not need to keep him as far away from power as possible

[@lokensicarius9347]

@@maigepresents5840 Thats a retarded comparison lol people want to trust their politicians not beat their meat to them. 🤣

[@awwasson]

After the “exciting” personalities we’ve had running the country I am more than ready for boring politics for a few years.

[@maigepresents5840]

He is by far the least worst option... or in other words, exactly what the country needs for the next wee bit.

[@Morning404]

Starmer is a liar and an authoritarian. The Tories are just as bad too. We need better options or this country will continue to fail.

[@ajwright5512]

I don't mind him being boring. I mind him being disingenuous. I still have no choice but to vote for him.

[@diogoalexandrebarretoalves5309]

@utoobeizkaka2737 his mandate is to follow whatever America says. Check who is founding his campaign and his stance on things. He will also privatise the NHS don’t be fooled.

[@andrewwalsh2755]

After the lies, deceit and dishonesty of Boris Johnson, then Truss and Sunak... we need somebody boring, and different... ... Kier Starmer!... 😂... 😱... The Horror!... and lies, deceit and dishonesty... and creeping fascism, apartheid denial, support for war crimes and genocide... ...And who did sponsor Starmers membership of the Trilateral Commission? I'd rather Larry, the No.10 cat was in charge...

[@archie-127]

The main reason I’ve heard for labours lead is “I just want the current government out”… which is definitely not a labour win, its a tory loss… Starmer’s changes and back peddling regarding policies makes me disappointed by his leadership, so I can understand the mistrust

[@maigepresents5840]

Yeah... because being bullheaded and unable to change when the situation calls for it is simply terrible... insert 'all the idiots that still think Brexit was a job well done'.

[@rosiegiesler4705]

It’s not a loss either

[@archie-127]

@@maigepresents5840 I agree, being able to change is good, but there were some key policies which he turned on - not changing universal credit criteria for families with more than one child is what upset me the most.

[@maigepresents5840]

@@archie-127 I sympathise that you felt dejected by that move, but I would rather he came up with fully thought out and funded policy changes after he got into power and had a chance to examine the books rather than making vacuous promises that he never intended to keep. Politics used to be useful when it was a long game not the daily reality show it is now. Our inability to maintain concentration on things for more than couple of days is what has lead to the popularity contest that modern politics has turned into.

[@Gerhardium]

Translation: you're upset he's not a socialist scumbag like the previous leader and ruling clique that handed the Tories their largest victory in history.

[@DGAMINGDE]

Basic summary: Starmer is bad, but everyone else is worse.

[@DrSpooglemon]

Being the lesser evil isn't difficult when you are surrounded by Bond villains. Doesn't speak well to the state of our democracy.

[@rodd1000]

Man people talk crap. Spoken like true Tory 💩

[@msimms-ft9yv]

Classic least worse scenario

[@sebastianrochefort6763]

eh, I'd classify it more as: Starmer is boring, everyone else is terrible

[@DGAMINGDE]

@@sebastianrochefort6763 As someone from Germany, I expect him to somehow need the LibDems and Greens, forming the UKs first 3 party government. The Brexit party will somehow be at 30% by 2026 and make things even worse, while people cheer them on.

[@benluff6079]

Bottom line is that these days most people aren't enthused by politicians or political parties at all, unless that politician has some kind of celebrity status. Worrying about personal popularity is probably missing the point. People will make a choice as to whether they think they will be better off under a future government, which is why we should be looking at the polling around how the parties will manage the economy, health, immigration etc, rather than whether they like the politicians or parties

[@JanjayTrollface]

Whoa, whoa, WHOA! This is the internet, please keep your basic common sense levels to a minimum mate!

[@benluff6079]

:) fair enough @@JanjayTrollface

[@klop4228]

Somehow I'm not sure I agree with your premise. I agree that's how it should be, and how I personally try to vote, but honestly I'd really need to see some data to be able to agree that people genuinely vote for policies rather than politicians

[@Noel-ji8nm]

@@klop4228 Corbyn enthused millions of people.

[@klop4228]

@@Noel-ji8nm...that is true

[@iielysiumx5811]

Even as someone who follows politics and is generally interested in Westminster, I don’t really know what starmer stands for

[@ChrispyNut]

Getting the right-wing press on side ... same as Blair.

[@arpandas2243]

​@@ChrispyNutBlair is expert at winning. Corbyn amd his supporters are expert at whining online and getting kicked in reality

[@ChrispyNut]

@@arpandas2243 What's the point of beating your opponents if you become them to do so? That's not winning, that's capitulating.

[@arpandas2243]

@@ChrispyNut That's straight up copium, fake fear mongering and gross exaggeration from you

[@eris9062]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@arpandas2243that’s a remarkable u-turn how you went from degrading Corbyn and his supporters to immediately claiming “fear mongering and gross exaggeration” the moment you receive any pushback. Regardless of my opinion on the matter that’s incredibly intellectually dishonest.

[@mrakronyahoo]

Bad is still better than even worse. This is why we desperately need PR reforms. Otherwise, we are stuck with the tories or tory-lite.

[@SlowhandGreg]

Labour aren't Tory lite Under Blair who was a Centrist we had +25% wage growth and well funded services Under hard right Thatcherite trickle down economics + Austerity x Brexit the economy is on life support with real wages lower than 2010 levels I dunno if Starmer will be centre or centre left but he will be a million miles from Osborne's / Sunak / Hunt's vision

[@mrakronyahoo]

@@SlowhandGreg He has been praising Thatcher and refusing to call for a humanitarian ceasefire in Gaza. The signs do not look good. Now, he can't be worse than the Tories, but I can't see him being much better.

[@mcboat3467]

​@@SlowhandGregit's shit vs shit lite what you want to eat?

[@SlowhandGreg]

@mrakronyahoo In the sentence he mentioned Thatcher it was observational and part of a large article the Right wing media were all over it like slavering dogs Isreal/Palestine has been ongoing for decades. What does meaningless gesture politics add to the debate aside from dragging the party back to the failed Corbyn era

[@SlowhandGreg]

@mcboat3467 how do you know? The Left hate Starmer because he's not Jesus reincarnated as Corbyn The right wing which controls nearly all media in this country want to stoke any division in the left they can cling to to keep there precious Tories in Tax is going up whoever takes power do you want it spending on more trickle down sh1t or not

[@esotericautist7420]

When visiting a city as leader, Corbyn would be given a hero's welcome compared to Starmer, who is rightly greeted with protest.

[@paulgibbons2320]

Not enough voted for Corbyn who offered a real manifesto of change. Now they will vote Labour for someone who's offering absolutely nothing at all. Just to get Tory's out.

[@electric_whelk1653]

This election reminds me of Yahtzee Croshaw's comments about the 2013 E3, where Microsoft revealed the Xbox One. "I know everyone was talking about what a great victory it was for Sony, but in all fairness, I think Microsoft did most of the work for them; it was like Microsoft walked out onto the stage of the International “Don't Fuck Up” Championship, and proceeded to shiv itself in the stomach 30 times while screaming, "IT'S FOR YOUR OWN GOOD! IT'S FOR YOUR OWN GOOD!" Then Sony came out and said, "I don't want to stab myself in the stomach; that shit hurts.", whereupon fucking confetti exploded from the ceiling and they were handed the “Sickest Burn In The Universe” trophy."

[@keech100]

I appreciate this and would argue it applies the other way around with Corbyn and Boris in 2019 as well

[@fireironthesecond2909]

Zero Punctuation should be quoted in general life more often

[@electric_whelk1653]

@@keech100 hmm, that's an interesting one. Corbyn was definitely a huge electoral own-goal, but I think Johnson did do more to earn votes than Starmer is doing. It just didn't end up leading to a very popular premiership because his promises were all very vacuous - "Get Brexit Done" was a great slogan until Brexit was done and nothing was fixed. And also because he almost immediately ran into the Covid crisis and turned out to be very much the wrong man for the job.

[@a.demifemiflapo5795]

Then PS4 wiped the floor with Xbox One same way Boris demolished Corbyn.

[@PostingCringeOnMain]

@@electric_whelk1653 Corbyns policies were extremely popular, the man himself was extremely devisive. I wish we wouldn't lose sight of that so easily. Afterall, Starmer won the leadership contest on being "Corbynism without Corbyn". I really hope we can get some of the re-nationalisation programme back on the cards because as far as I can see, it'd be the sole benefit of having left the EU and I don't think anyone really believes that we get better value by allowing shareholders to squirrel away massive profits into tax havens off the back of our transport and energy infrastructure.

[@bzuidgeest]

Stamer keeps himself bland. When your opponent is doing everything to destroy himself, why take risks?

[@alanho4471]

That’s a very interesting take! Is he bland on purpose when Starmer is actually a cool and fun guy or is he just bland but he or his PR team realises it’s not worth trying to look cool when you’re already as bland as he is. The Fox man strikes again!

[@23715]

Bring back the crazy not antisemitic funster Corbyn.

[@GarethPW]

Reminder that Corbyn’s Labour performed very well in 2017, so whether Starmer was right to separate himself entirely from that platform is not cut and dried.

[@Ghengiskhansmum]

If not for the majority of starmers current front bench being bought by Netanyahu's cronies and the UK media he would have won that election.

[@liat5443]

They still lost against a deeply unpopular government. I think starmer's doing the correct thing by distancing himself from Corbyn who is effectively electoral kryptonite

[@markwelch3564]

​@@liat5443I get why distancing from Corbyn makes electoral sense, but not why they're abandoning all the policies from 2019 Those policies were widely popular. It's a definite case of "baby out with the bathwater"

[@archvaldor]

@@liat5443 "They still lost against a deeply unpopular government." They weren't unpopular then. Teresa May had an approval rating of almost 20%.

[@danielwebb8402]

2017 was a great win for Corbyn after which he was a great PM and implemented all his policies

[@AlekWheeler]

Canadian here. Bland works. In 1993 we elected the least bad option in Jean Chretien. He was a left wing liberal who did mostly centrist things. He also won three straight majorities. Ten years later, Canada was back on top. Twenty years since he left, Chretien is still the best we had (imo).

[@cinderball1135]

Absolutely. I voted for Starmer as Labour leader on that very basis. We don't need charismatic and exciting - we need dull and safe. A lot of people on this comment section though are the angriest and youngest of the left, who think that what inspires them is what will win an election. They forget that they're a minority of the actual electorate, and that what excites them terrifies their parents.

[@coyotelong4349]

Yep, and despite the turmoil of the immediate post-pandemic era and the loud drumbeat of negativity from Fox Propaganda Channel, Joe Biden’s bland policies are paying off in the US as well I’m confident that voters will finally start noticing the economic improvement by next year at election time… but I’d be lying if I said Trump and the Red Hats weren’t making me nervous

[@bhinz6389]

OK boomer@@cinderball1135

[@cinderball1135]

Not a boomer. But I think it's a safe assumption for me to make, that I've spent more time talking to regular peeps on the doorstep than you have! @@bhinz6389 I want more progressive politics, but we're not going to get there by antagonising people, rather than trying to understand them. And I don't know about you, but I fancy a progressive government sometime in the next ten years, rather than having to wait another fifty for all prior generations to die off. That means we need *some* older people to vote against the Tories. They're hardly likely to do that if you get up in their face and yell "boomer".

[@adzmitch]

You don't know the first thing about Starmer. He ran for Labour leadership using socialist policies and then abandoned them completely and hasn't opposed the Conservative government ever since.

[@mikestanmore2614]

This proves what I have always theorised: democracy doesn't produce the best outcome, it produces the *least hated* outcome.

[@TimBednall]

If you are waking in the forest with a friend and you are chased by a hungry bear, you don't have to outrun the bear, just your friend. I think that may explain Starmer's popularity.

[@lachlanminchin1538]

I hope the UK doesn't get ahead of itself. We Australians thought the ALP was destined to win in 2019. Poor policies and Bill Shorten's unpopularity led to Scott Morrison winning a so-called unwinnable election

[@PhilipJackson03]

It’s a little different. The biggest difference being the pandemic. Compared to that election Starmer is facing a Tory government rife with political scandal, lead by a highly unpopular man who’s failed on his key policies and a struggling economy and in turn a struggling population. Compared to Shorten who was up against, yes a controversial government, but also had a pretty decent economy and by that point ScoMo hadn’t ruined his reputation. Not to mention the messaging of Shorten’s campaign made it easier for a lot of people to stay with the Liberals. This also isn’t mentioning that the UK is first past the post, which makes it a lot easier for him. Granted Starmer can still learn a lot from that, but it’s a fairly different situation.

[@SEAZNDragon]

@@PhilipJackson03 Didn't Starmer had his own Partygate scandal?

[@lachlanminchin1538]

@@PhilipJackson03 yes all of that is completely valid

[@parsnip5401]

It was a non-scandal stirred up the right wing press to distract from Partygate. He was cleared by the police who determined he'd done nothing wrong.

[@sebv1086]

@@SEAZNDragon No.

[@yasinwaghat6096]

Lesser of two evils, don't trust Starmer as he's a Red Tory. But we need change.

[@msimms-ft9yv]

You could be right .but first he needs to convince enough tories to win election , then we will see

[@yasinwaghat6096]

@@msimms-ft9yv Those Thatcher comments (rightly) has not gone down well in the north and Scotland. It seems like he's actively trying to play on the right. But he is alienating his base, yes we do need change. But it's just seems he's Tory lite.

[@livelife5947]

@@msimms-ft9yv A true Tory will never vote Labour. He’s aiming for swing voters.

[@christophermcguire27]

What, makes you think it'll happen chuff

[@bonariablackie4047]

Aww diddums. Isn't Hamas loving Corbyn not leader anymore? He did SO well in 2019...

[@timmylean]

Say what you will about Corbyn, but at least the man had beliefs.

[@JK192837]

And what good are beliefs if you aren't ever able to implement them? What's better, having a dream of improving things 100% and in reality achieving 0%, or actually improving things in reality by 20%? Which one actually helps real people more?

[@mildlydispleased3221]

We need to make politics boring again.

[@TheSuperPsychoKiller]

No, boring politics leads to disengagement and the elites running rough shot over the 99%.

[@ac4486]

​@@TheSuperPsychoKillerabsolutely.

[@chrislochhead1925]

- "Guy so well off that political decisions have literally never affected him personally in any way whatsoever"

[@mildlydispleased3221]

@TheSuperPsychoKiller And exciting politics allows extreme populists to create a cult of personality, divide people for their own political gain and cause civil unrest.

[@SaintGerbilUK]

​@@TheSuperPsychoKillerin order to make politics boring means putting competent people in so that people don't feel like they need to be engaged all of the time. So regardless of who wins it won't be boring.

[@theshadowdirector]

The general impression I get from my CLP meetings is that strategists believe the public mood and morale to be so low that it's difficult to trust anyone. It's why Labou is going with a campaign of 'gentle optimism', anything too overblown and optimistic risks further distrust. You could almost say we are in a state of severe, collective depression and finding the way out isn't easy.

[@crazycjk]

That wordcloud at 4:44 is pretty funny really. I'd love to see one on Sunak too, can you imagine.

[@tyranitararmaldo]

They did one during the Tory conference. "Rich" and "Weak" popped up a LOT.

[@wkt2506]

God help us 🙄

[@smvsspould]

Its naïve to expect an opposition to the Tories to come out swinging months or years before an election with huge transformative policies, especially if theyre already ahead in the polls and have everything to lose. The press is bought and owned by friends of the Tories. Promise electoral reform, or significant spending (even if it os to invest) and they will try to skewer you with everything they have. Expect the real policy differences to be highlighted once the date for the election is set, when it'll be too late for the likes of the mail and telegraph to throw their weight against them.

[@0w784g]

You're right, it's probably for the best if Labour avoid any scrutiny :).

[@SaintGerbilUK]

This is spot on, if they do nothing they will win, then they will change nothing.

[@DogsandPennies]

I hope you’re right. The only way I’m voting for Labour is if they promise switching to STV for proportional representation voting.

[@0w784g]

@@DogsandPennies No chance. No chance at all. Why would you even think that might happen? If you want voting reform, try voting for a party that wouldn't be hampered by voting reform.

[@DogsandPennies]

@@0w784g well my current plan is to vote for a third party so that labour wins with the smallest majority possible, which might help scare them into backing PR. But if labour said they’d do it regardless then I would vote for them to show my support.

[@blacksusan108]

Main difference is Starmer has tailored his position so as not to scare the right wing press. Jeremy proudly stood for real change and did well in 2017 which really scared msm barons.

[@freddytang2128]

As a Canadian conservative, I dont know why "bland" is a bad thing when it comes to politicians. Do you want an entertainer running your country? I dont know if there's any studies done but I feel like there's probably a negative correlation between entertainment value of a politician, and their effectiveness

[@ProjectEkerTest33]

Was certainly true for Boris Johnson

[@SirAntoniousBlock]

Same here, as an Australian, politics in this country are bland and boring, things work normally and nothing screws up, that's why I love to read about the absolute clusterf**k debacle of British politics, the collection of clowns criminals monsters and lunatics is better than any soap opera lol.

[@badgerale]

I think it depends on the times - and the opposition. Boring Biden hoovers up the votes of people who want someone who isn't Trump. Boring Starmer is going to hoover up the votes of people disgusted by the tories and looking for any alternative. If Starmer was more radical then right wingers would still feel compelled to vote tory to avoid him. Because he's 'meh' they will think it's basically fine to vote labour this time.

[@freeman10000]

​​@@SirAntoniousBlockI agree! As an Aussie I am quite happy with boring politicians (except for Bob Katter 😂 ).

[@SirAntoniousBlock]

@@freeman10000 Yeah thank god for Queensland but even then there's usually only stupid OR evil, no one does the stupid AND evil combo like the Brits.

[@massiha9472]

I think labour are just winning because the tories have gone completely nuts. Yet as time passes, specially in the last 6 months or so, I’ve started to feel like labour doesn’t offer anything special in the areas of interest to me (acting as tories without the utter nutters in charge) so I think I’ll just vote for a local independent. I’m done voting for one party just because the other one is worse. This just keeps pushing us in the wrong direction

[@henben9215]

They’re not winning, it’s the media telling you they are, starmer will lose worse than corbyn did

[@Logan_Zimmerman]

Vote for the Greens then.

[@Oakeedokee7]

I think parties as a whole such as Labour and the Democratic Party in the US have to give the voters more of a reason to vote for them other than "well, the other side is worse". I think it just allows for these parties to get away with not making significant change because they can argue their opponents would just make changes for the worst.

[@Redsleather]

If you don’t want another Tory government, vote for whoever can get rid of a Tory MP in your area

[@JK192837]

And if the tories do somehow manage to stay in at the next election, will you feel proud of yourself for not having voted to get them out? Will it make you feel warm and fuzzy to take another 5 years of this shit, as long as you can virtue-signal?

[@123456789marr]

Pretty simple, the Tories have torn themselves apart and Starmer sitting on the fence doing and saying nothing has been a brilliant strategy quite frankly

[@imsoboredhahaha]

Labour need to also retain the left vote. They can’t let those on the left not vote or vote Green, SNP, Liberal Democrat etc. People on the left of the party are frustrated by Starmer having right economic policies (2 child benefit cap) and having conservative social beliefs (for example the blocking of the Gender Recognition Act 2022 in Scotland).

[@RNA0ROGER]

The gender recognition bill is a crime against humanity along with the practices it validates. The labour party can largely ignore such ultra far left wing craziness you might lose the vote of crazy fruit loops but you can win everyone else. Kind of where you see the conservatives giving far right racist skin heads a miss.

[@AtheistEve]

I’m voting Green unless Starmer is ousted for someone on the actual left, and the party retains its previous manifesto.

[@RNA0ROGER]

@@AtheistEve The same manifesto that lost them the election in 2019 by a land slide

[@nigelp5352]

Better than Sunak is a very low bar.

[@jamiecook4072]

His approval ratings are positive in recent polls though. Both Redfield & Wilton (+7%) and Deltapoll (+2%) put him ahead in the polls

[@Tribuneoftheplebs]

That's awful considering he's a fresh face and the Tories have been in power forever

[@badenhowell3312]

They don't reflect his flip-flopping, petty factionalism, and zionist stance on Israel, though. His personal polling does, though, and he just keeps getting worse.

[@Posiman]

@@Tribuneoftheplebs His face is not that fresh. He's been shadow PM for more than three years now.

[@iGleeson]

Not from the UK, but since Starmer took over from Corbyn, he always struck me as this spineless, copy-paste, whitebread politician.

[@ScottishRoss27]

He is a Conservative Party placeman

[@Talisguy]

He's said that elections "aren't about policy" before, so. Not an inaccurate assessment. He really does seem afraid to have any opinions, in case they're controversial.

[@pincermovement72]

Not voting for any of them , none of them do anything we want only what their lobbyists want .

[@harrywirrelson9628]

I mean I love how harsh Brits are about their politicians (or basically anything really), but when you have a two-party political system and the ruling party is in such disarray, you don’t really have another choice. COVID, Brexit, Low economic growth, inflation, cost of living, in-party fighting, many different PMs, gender-based violence, failed migration plan, so many other issues. The tories just simply don’t deserve another chance. Starmer obviously has his faults, but he would still be more than adequate for the job. You have to consider the alternative. Very similar situation in the US, except the media and journalists are clearly not as harsh on Biden

[@reallymakesyouthink]

He's ahead because the Tory leader is very unpopular. When they replace him Starmer will be in trouble.

[@MaterLacrymarum]

No way. How many leaders since Cameron have there been? The Tories are done.

[@alanwatterson2850]

🤣 Dream on. How many 'popular' leaders do you think the Tories can pump out? From Cameron, the idiot who caused Brexit to Sunak, name somebody popular. Tories just don't breed popular people.

[@markwelch3564]

Except they don't have anyone better as a replacement, and four PMs in one term is going to annihilate what little is left of the Tories "strong and stable" rhetoric!

[@reallymakesyouthink]

@@markwelch3564 They don't need anyone better for their voters. they just need to be white

[@sebastianrochefort6763]

Replace Sunak with Who? Braverman will scare off anyone who isn't Racist, Truss will scare off anyone who wants good financial sense, Johnson is no longer an MP . . .

[@the1andonlytitch]

The evil of the two lessers

[@ExplodingPiggy]

After he instructed the lords to abstain from a fatal motion vote against the Anti Strike bill the Labour party is dead to me.

[@tatata1543]

The utterly depressing thing is that this guy is the only alternative to the Tories. It all seems so hopeless, I suspect when he wins there won’t be general celebrations, the electorate will just shrug its shoulders and go “meh”. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

[@adrianhjordan1981]

I would like to see a comparison of this data with general data for "all politicians" because I feel like the trust issues etc are common to all politicians at the moment.

[@dairreagh6468]

Worth mentioning that Starmer was a sizable contributor to the division during the Corbyn years.

[@IshtarNike]

Yep. People always act like it was somehow a one sided thing. Very disingenuous.

[@adzmitch]

I believe Starmer was the mastermind behind the whole thing. It's certainly worked out very well for him.

[@Boghopper1979]

Are you saying Corbyn would have won the election if it was not for Starmer?

[@chrislochhead1925]

How do you not say 1 word in this video about how the media bias vs Corbyn is virtually absent against Starmer. Across the political spectrum including so-called "Left papers" like the Guardian ran near-exclusively negative press on Corbyn.

[@0w784g]

Populists and extremists usually get a hard time from the press, no matter their political leaning.

[@pyromaniachimbo]

Corbyn was sadly too much too fast for the public to swallow. That and he had a few controversies meant it was difficult for Labour to win with him at the helm

[@VikingNewt]

corbyn was neither, he was a socialist that scared the tory rags. @@0w784g

[@archvaldor]

"How do you not say 1 word in this video about how the media bias vs Corbyn is virtually absent against Starmer" Because TLDR is basically center-left. If they acknowledged that Corbyn was smeared by the media rather than just disliked they'd have to acknowledge he was the democratically legitimate leader of the party and that doesn't fit their worldview.

[@conah9440]

@@archvaldor We all have our biases which we hope to suppress when talking to an audience. TLDR manage it better than most but their bias is clear. They didn't like Corbyn because of the smears or because they're moderates at heart.

[@chrisgregory3063]

The vote in the uk isn’t for a man it’s for a government Maybe that’s hard for some people to understand but people are dissatisfied with the Tory government and want a change and most people realise that the only other option is labour Starmer is kind of irrelevant to that change.

[@mrd64]

We can see where the personality contest got us in 2019. As long as Labour stays ahead in the polls I'll be happy.

[@AtheistEve]

Sunak doesn’t have a personality. He doesn’t even sound any different to Tony Blair.

[@californiadreamin8423]

Agreed. The level of corrupt incompetence for the last 14 years in unprecedented.

[@AtheistEve]

@@californiadreamin8423 Governments have generally been corrupt through the centuries. The corruption and incompetence is just much more open nowadays.

[@IshtarNike]

That wasn't a personality contest at all. I don't really know where people come from with this. Corbyn was extremely popular but not for his personality. I know that seems hard to believe for some people, but it was his policies that drove such fervour. In fact he might of done better if he had actually tried to engage more in a personality contest. He was focused on policy and lost in large part because he refused to play the game.

[@AtheistEve]

@@IshtarNike Labour lost because the right wing of the party worked harder for them to lose than the tories did. Starmer’s crew defrauded the membership and robbed the country of some much needed respite from this tory crapfest.

[@Lee_303]

If I express what I really think of the Kid Starver, YT bans me for the day. But they must agree with me, as it's only a day 😁

[@malcolmmitchell6529]

They have done this to me as well. They are not the only search engine or video player. Who the hell do these mercans think they are?

[@bobsurface908]

This isn't actually all that hard. They're going vote for the party that isn't LITERALLY on the way to fascism. It's not that complex. They can always change their leader.

[@Adam.C]

I don't understand how boring is bad. You know what boring is? predictable and reliable to not do wild things. I'll take a boring leader over some wild and crazy unpredictable clown any day.

[@JottoHearthStone]

I think it comes down to 2 things that are related, 1.The tories are doing so badly right now 2.whilst Starmer isn't loved at all, he's also basically made of teflon when it comes to the scandals tory media tries to spin on labour politicians normally. (see beer gate, immigration, law and order, taxation, divided party etc etc) So weirdly, Starmer is very good at the one thing that guarantees the Tories to lose atm. As far as I'm concerned though, he can win an election and then get replaced by someone with an actual vision.

[@SlowhandGreg]

The Blair years were pretty good in comparison to what came after, well funded services +25% wage growth over the decade. A lot of older voters got hoodwinked by Osborne's Austerity and Starmer hammering home at every opportunity 13 years of failure resonates with older voters We've had fantasy economics on the Left with Corbyn and Fantasy economics on the right with Truss people just want their bills to go down and have the NHS & Schools functioning

[@sebastianrochefort6763]

I'm willing to allow him a year or two in charge to see what he accomplishes and says when he isn't under pressure to not screw up before an essential election. If he is still disappointing after 2 years. Then by all means change leader

[@SlowhandGreg]

That sums up my opinion mostly the problem is the media constantly asking how do you pay for xxx They never ask the Tories how there going to pay for tax cuts and Were still treated to pretending a government budget is like a household one The capital spend like the renewable proposals generate more income than the initial cost@@sebastianrochefort6763

[@Dionysos640]

Starmer did not praise the achievements of Margaret Thatcher. I know this bs is everywhere, but I would have expected better from you guys.

[@fireironthesecond2909]

“She brought us from stagnation and revitalised the British entrepreneurial spirit.” That’s a pretty hefty appraisal

[@frasercook5823]

And he is complicit in Geocide because of his biggest donor. The guy is nasty.

[@Dionysos640]

@@fireironthesecond2909 "Margaret Thatcher sought to drag Britain out of its stupor by setting loose our natural entrepreneurialism." is the actual quote. Not exactly the same thing is it? When questioned about the quotation he said "It doesn't mean I agree with what she (Thatcher) did, but I don't think anybody could suggest she didn't have a driving sense of purpose. The point I am making in that article is that you can distinguish political leaders, certainly in the post war period, into those that had a plan and a sense of mission, and those that drifted essentially."

[@fireironthesecond2909]

@@Dionysos640 my bad I didn’t remember the whole thing

[@mrmr446]

My MP spent two elections working against the party thereby helping keep the Tories in power, I can't feel enthusiastic about voting for him. Wish this channel could examine the coverage of the last few years which suggests at least part of the answer.

[@baldyhead]

Aren't we voting for our local politician, not the leader? I must have been getting it wrong for 40 years.

[@a.demifemiflapo5795]

Or voting for the party through your politician?

[@bluestpaw]

Something similar happened in Germany during the last federal election. Nobody liked Scholz, but we liked the only realistic counter candidate (Laschet) even less

[@BottledMagma]

Big issue with this is that the right wing zeitgeist is that Rishi is not moderate, he is right wing too far right. With Starmer adopting similar policies and positions as the tories is a push to the right FROM the centre. Corbyn's policies were not radically left but were TOO the left of Government and were moderate policy positions especially compared to many centre governments in Europe.

[@colintawn3535]

@BottledMagma The next General Election will be a straight fight between Dumb and Dumber.

[@natenae8635]

I don’t think anyone who identifies as far right would want Rishi as their PM 😅

[@thehammer9599]

Rishi is right wing if you’re a commie.

[@theconqueringram5295]

Just because the Labour Party under Keir Starmer is do well, doesn't mean he is popular. It just means his competition is more disliked.

[@gregoryfenn1462]

I actually don't mind Keir, my main qualm is that he doesn't back fair democratic voting such as Single Transferable Votes for parliamentary elections

[@msimms-ft9yv]

That may be true but means little to your average voter

[@malcolmmitchell6529]

Good friend of yours? So Overfamiliar

[@digglerdudeuk]

Starmer's Labour is barely a notch less despicable than the Tories.

[@R.soles12]

It should be a national holiday when he leads labour to victory. Tory misrule is finally coming to an end.

[@Tribuneoftheplebs]

The end of the tories and the birth of Tory-lite

[@avancalledrupert5130]

Why he is an establishment stooge exactly the same a Tory. If he was going to be positive in any way to normal people the media would be in full attack mode like they were for JC .

[@msimms-ft9yv]

He should put that in his manifesto ,bound to win a landslide

[@malcolmmitchell6529]

So we can begin Labour mis rule in a red tie

[@Gooseplan]

I am just so sick of things being the way they are. When Starmer is described as bringing Labour “back to the centre”, what that actually means is he’s making sure Labour is no longer a threat to the failed economic and foreign policy status quo. It may be true that the party is now more likely to win an election than it was four years ago but it simultaneously means it’s less deserving to.

[@edmann1820]

He said Blair brought the party back to the centre which is even more egregious. Blair fundamentally changed the party into something it had never been before. It's Orwellian double speak to suggest Blair was restoring something that had been lost.

[@Rizhiy13]

In this day and age, it is not about who you like more, it is about who you hate less)

[@timseytiger9280]

Starmer didn't praise Margaret Tatcher. He just made a comment on what she felt she was trying to do. Just because the media says something inaccurate to push their agenda doesn't make it true. The question now arises why is tldr pushing it here now?

[@connormorley6588]

Even if that is the case, it indirectly comes across as sympathy for Tory's. It just something that leaves a bad taste in people's mouths, especially considering that this is one of the most controversial UK politicians

[@TheDecmorgan]

Yes - people really need to read beyond a misleading headline and dig into the actual article - seperate opinion from actual fact - but the lack of critial thinking skills amongst the general population and to not read beyond the headline is worrying

[@zeybarur]

He mentioned her alongside (and prior to) two Labour PM's he clearly wants to emulate, and his language was clearly positive. Just because he tried to obscure his praise rather than state it clearly like he did for the Blair & Attlee doesn't mean it wasn't there.

[@nothereandthereanywhere]

@@connormorley6588 I'm not keen on Thatcher, but I can agree that at least she had a vision and worked hard towards the goal, was blunt about it. Something most of today's politicians can dream about - most of them are perceived as liars, entitled and not trust-worthy.

[@thealternativeulsterman]

Simples: it's him or another Tory. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@julianshepherd2038]

🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 aye, rrrright

[@sjohno98]

He is another Tory

[@arpandas2243]

​@@sjohno98OK Corbynite troll😂😂

[@arpandas2243]

@@robotrocket1 There is no fault in liking people on the other side of the isle. Or just showing a courtesy of respect to the former PM despite political difference. Half of the things you said are grossly exaggerated

[@thealternativeulsterman]

@@robotrocket1 No argument there. Just THINK where we would be if we had elected Corbyn instead of Johnson? I'm sure honest Tory voters would even agree it would have been better. However, in our current FPTP system, there are only TWO options for the next PM; the Leader of the Labour Party or the Leader of the Conservative party. Until we get proper PR voting, THAT'S the choice. 5 more years of Tory asswipes who are all the same, or a red-tied Tory with the Labour Party in government. They CANNOT be worse than the Tories. My dream is that he's elected, with the backing of the right-wing media who are forced to like him, and THEN he changes back to original, socialist policies. OR has to step down and we get a decent PM.

[@TheSmart-CasualGamer]

"Not Evil" is something that's pretty good to have going for you.

[@bamboo59.52]

Britain is getting more like America everyday! A two party system and voting for the lesser of two evils!

[@stellacollector]

It's not like Starmer is doing particularly good - it's more like Tories are doing particularly bad.

[@TheBaconWizard]

Correction: Starmer did NOT "praise" Thatcher, he said she was one of few prime-ministers who effected long-term change, which is factually correct.

[@BoyeeSmudger]

Exactly. It was clever of the telegraph to put it behind the pay wall and use a headline to stir up their big pot of poo.

[@badenhowell3312]

But that still implies it was a positive change. Otherwise, why bother mentioning it unless, of course, he was instructed to by Blair or Mandelson.

[@alexarnold8461]

He did praise how she "let loose our natural entrepreneurship" im not sure if thats refering to the economic harrying of the north, or perhaps right to buy destroying our housing market, but whatever hes refering to it seems to be hes praising it

[@LordDim1]

@@alexarnold8461 Again, no he didn’t. He said she *tried* to unleash entrepreneurship

[@jasontrow2483]

People are ill informed, partly dye to right wing press but also by factions on the left. Both right and left wing in uk politics are much more polarised. Starmer is centre left so unpopular with both sides. However if you look closely at Starmers career as a Solicitor and with CPS. He has done more than anyone else in parliament protecting people and providing assistance. This has included helping Miners with legal challenges/cases, humasn trafficking, human rights, and with the CPS was one of the most effective proscecutors. Since becoming Labour leader he has transformed the party from 2019. He is competent, intelligent, and tough. He is an actual leader. This country quite frankly needs someone of his calibre to lead us.

[@christopherflux6254]

After the craziness of the last few years, I want politics and politicians to be boring again! Bring back John Major and Gordon Brown!

[@bhinz6389]

OK boomer

[@SilverMKI]

The problem is that "moderate" is still generally "right of centre", while a lot of people want an actual left wing option. And ideally for anything left of centre to not automatically get labeled as "extreme".

[@stephenwilcockson3498]

I agree

[@KangaKucha]

Too bad he isn't as left wing as he technically should be. After all Labour is Democratic Socialist right? Wish the next government be a Labour-'Green' Democrats (Green should be more than just a colour, like maybe Evergreen?) Alliance instead while Conservatives (Tories) get opposition. Idk if a third party would be strong enough to have alot in the cross but it would obviously be diverse especially from Scotland, Wales, Ireland, England and parts I wish could vote differently or be able to vote at all. Not a fan of the name but I miss The Jury Team, a party of independent candidates. Wish parties like that existed not just in the UK but worldwide especially after 2022 Australia election many won in it.

[@EllandRoar84]

They always manage to find a bunch of the most unlikeable people and force us to choose one of them to screw us over day and daily. I'm done with them all

[@iainhusband445]

The press said Starmer praised Thatcher, he actually did not praise her. Read the actual article not the headlines given out by the Tory press. Thought the whole point of your channel was "Our mission is to explain news and politics in an impartial, efficient, and accessible way, balancing import and interest while fostering independent thought." So actually reading what was actually written rather than a sound bite or a newpaper headline is mor eimportant than ever.

[@SaintGerbilUK]

They've been failing the "impartial" part for a while, when 95% of your content is against the Tories it's hardly impartial. And I'm not even a Tory supporter.

[@0w784g]

"Tory press". You mean like The Mirror? "Keir Starmer defends praise for Margaret Thatcher". Give your head a wobble.

[@iainhusband445]

​@@0w784g Did you read what he actually said? he suggested that some prime ministers "tried" to improve entrepreneurship. Thatcher was one of three he mentioned. That's all. The Mirror aimed its reporting on what others had said not what Starmer had actually said. Again language is actually important. I know stupid appears to be in vogue but critical thinking and using intelligence, is actually important.

[@0w784g]

@@iainhusband445 So you acknowledge it isn't just the Tory press printing it. Honesty is so important.

[@NoJusticeMTG]

Why people trust labour on policy when it changes every day and it's economically nonsensical continues to astound me. I thought we left 'household budget' analogies in 2016 but here we are, having to choose between different shades of David Cameron. Again. *sigh*

[@bacontf2]

I for one can't wait for a Labour government led by Starmer. I don't want a radical government, I want a moderate one. Boring is exactly what this country needs.

[@Out_on_a_Limb_Life]

The opposition party get very little coverage in mainstream media so it's not surprising 'people' don't know what Starmer stands for. Personally I think he's pretty good but he's not a strong media figure which might cause Labour problems.

[@Daretobestupider]

Tl;dr The Labour party is simply distrusted LESS

[@meera6024]

Neither Blair or Starmer dragged Labour to the centre but to the right.

[@danguee1]

You mean to the right of what you regard as centre - but very few other people do

[@meera6024]

@@danguee1 in your opinion which does not amount for most people

[@korayven9255]

Put another way, Starmer's unpopularity is likely less about him than it is about the public's general antipathy towards the government as a whole. The fact that the majority of people see Labour as weak and disunited is more reflective of them believing the UK government as a whole is weak and disunited with one major manifestation of this being Brexit in which a growing majority of Brits believe left the UK weaker and more disunited than before, but Labour candidly admits it can do nothing about for at least a decade.

[@jsrodman]

The only surprising poll result is that much of Labour think Starmer should remain party leader. I suspect this is really more "we don't want any major upsets until the election dumps the tories".

[@Alphamask978]

I think if you put Corbyn vs Sunak, Corbyn would lose. Starmer whilst not as great as 1997 Blair, he is a step in the right direction and more centrist compared to Corbyn who was more left.

[@treevsy]

He's been coined the name kid starver where I live, and his thatcher comments didn't really lend much of a hand to him. If he backs voting reform however, it should be a pretty easy win for labour, but seeing how far ahead they are how can we be sure labour would ever change the voting system to be more democratic.

[@ScottishRoss27]

Just another Torie party.

[@arpandas2243]

​@@ScottishRoss27SNP just another criminal party

[@0w784g]

Why on earth would you expect vote reform from Labour? The current system gives them an inordinate amount of power relative to the popular vote share. It's literally an insane position to hold.

[@SaintGerbilUK]

​@@arpandas2243careful he's a sensitive boy, he was raised by the movie "Braveheart"

[@ScottishRoss27]

@@0w784g Labour have about 174 Unelected Lords in the Unelected House of Lords. Why expect voting reform from Labour?

[@ChrispyNut]

I highly doubt I'll be able to hold my nose enough to vote Labour, when the time comes. Likely to be Green or NOTA.

[@sebv1086]

Well done, Tory enabler.

[@ChrispyNut]

@@sebv1086 No! It's those who support one-party system who enable such harms. I vote with my principles. My vote has to be earned, I don't give it away blindly. Supporting the supposed left-wing party as they veer right is Tory enablement as it permits them to move further right still, dragging labour with them.

[@aytraf]

It's the "choose the lesser evil" problem in democracy. You don't have to be good enough, your opponent has to be worse enough (*slightly* worse doesn't move people)

[@richardplane2155]

The obvious way to interpret these findings is that the electorate dont trust any of them.

[@napoleonibonaparte7198]

People should prefer boring politicians regardless.

[@msimms-ft9yv]

You mean like John watsisname

[@handbanana4899]

You have to hand it to Starmer. It takes a LOT of effort to look bad compared to THE TORIES.

[@Pemmont107]

Anyone who thinks Starmer is somehow worse than the "people" we've had in power for 13 years need their eyes, ears and memory checked :p

[@0w784g]

@@Pemmont107 Really? Give 3 examples of how proposed Labour policy differs from the last 13 years?

[@Pemmont107]

@@0w784g They won't waste hundreds of millions of pounds on a Rwanda joke that'll deport 100 people at most. They want to end the non-dom tax status that Tories prop up, and want to use the money to support NHS and working people. They don't rely on populist gimmicks like "culture wars", or hammering down struggling people. Benefit fraud costs this country so much less than the rich's tax evasion, yet the Tories specifically target people on benefits, while Labour are going after their rich, tax-evading buddies. .. I can keep going.

[@stephenwallace5969]

Remove tax breaks for high earners, completely different immigration policy and nhs reintegration of external services?

[@0w784g]

@@stephenwallace5969 Imagining what they might propose to do doesn't count. Concrete pledges in Sir Keir's recent speech were thin on the ground, and nothing you mentioned was in it.

[@brandonlouis1542]

The key issue for both the parties is that they can never unite under one solid platform and build a government from there, especially since the days of Tony Blair. As much as we hate him today, Blair managed to rally the whole party behind him and transform it to New Labor, something Starmer couldn't. He's weak in policy issues and is weak politically. Give him 1 term, let the Tories rally behind a radical leader who's good at talking and the Tories might be able to get back to power

[@someguy-eh9mg]

Tories won't rally around anyone. They will be fractured for about 5 years from now.

[@tiggtiggs]

"If voting made a difference it would be made illegal" - Mark Twain

[@michaelball93]

This just goes to show the moral rot of the FTTP voting system. We're stuck with voting for the tribe we hate the least because they know they're protected under this decrepit system of voting. Under a PR system, a viable third party option would have risen up by now and both Labour and the Tories would have faded into irrelevance long ago.

[@SaintGerbilUK]

True but if people did just start voting 3rd party then things would at least start to turn around. "I don't care who but neither red or blue."

[@Teag_Brohman15]

Jeremy Corbyn should've stayed as leader let's be real

[@a.demifemiflapo5795]

He lost two GE in 2 years. I mean, we all want him to stay but we can't risk a hatrick lol

[@malcolmmitchell6529]

The best since mannie Shinwell

[@Paul-eb4jp]

He's ahead because the tories are a shambles.

[@b0redom782]

Probably the best thumbnail you've made so far

[@WhiteManInAVan]

As someone thats voted labour for all my life, this is the first time I won't be voting for them. The move to the Right of Centre is blasphemous

[@ChrispyNut]

You must be young then, cos he and most of the likely cabinet are just like most Labour in recent decades. E2A: Then again, looking at your profile, I believe you're a liar!

[@SaintGerbilUK]

Your recent comments suggest you would be. Then again I'm not sure I'd trust someone who thinks that high taxes, massive government spending, and an open border but maybe with a cap is vaguely on the right.

[@WhiteManInAVan]

@@SaintGerbilUK he's never really committed to any of those things and he changes his mind with the way the wind blows. He recent stance on unequivocally supporting Israel in Gaza and his silence in West Bank shows that he can have a back bone so based on that, hes not someone I want as a leader of the party i grew up supporting.

[@SaintGerbilUK]

@@WhiteManInAVan I agree that his policies do seem to be based entirely on which way the wind is blowing. I wouldn't put it past him is a vocal minority of Nazis popped up if he wouldn't support them. (Much like the Canadian parliament)

[@supersocashow3176]

Your 'keep Britain for the white British' rhetoric is very right wing.

[@sirsurnamethefirstofhisnam7986]

“Unliked and barely trusted” doesn’t that describe every politician alive? So he’s normal?

[@braddarkstar]

Yeahhhhh asking 3 people in the most upper middle class, leftwing part of London who they are going to vote for isn't what I call accurate polling.

[@cinderball1135]

We don't have a presidential system - nor would I ever want one. We have a parliamentary system, which means that we vote for a PARTY, not for a Prime Minister.

[@MattTheSpratt]

I mean, are people really so in a hurry for yet another Big Personality or Grand Vision? The last two or three broke everything!!

[@snoggydog123]

He is ahead because he is none of those things you claim. He has had the the Commons laughing, he is clearly intelligent, and he is calm and relaxed.

[@ChrispyNut]

Not they claim, the polls claim, which means, if what you say is true, he and Labour are failures for not communicating that, but indeed, the opposite!

[@SlowhandGreg]

I kind of agree and disagree the fact is the Blair years were pretty good in comparison to what came after, well funded services +25% wage growth over the decade. A lot of older voters got hoodwinked by Osborne's Austerity and Starmer hammering home at every opportunity 13 years of failure resonates with older voters

[@ganrimmonim]

In pmqs he's fantastic: funny, charming and dravasting as well.

[@Rossy167]

I don’t care how good he is at banter. His policies are not going to fix our country, this is the concern.

[@ChrispyNut]

@@Rossy167 /Signed

[@marktucker208]

I can answer this without watching the video. Its because people are voting against the Tories. NOT for Starmer. This is going to be a huge problem for his Labour government because the public have had enough of politicians, theyve had enough of seeing the country collapse infront of their eyes and Starmers government wont or dont want to (constantly telling us they wont invest) be able to fix these problems. The real question is how much time will the Labour government be given by the public before it turns on them? Because it will inevitably turn on them, people have had enough.

[@GenericInternetter]

Nobody has voting for this guy, everyone's voting against Sunak.