How Meloni (Sort of) Solved Italy’s Migration Crisis

[@Dagua]

No. She has just bought a bigger rug to hide the dust.

[@Bottleofwater-n5y]

@@Dagua that's How us Italians do things, we ignore the problem untill It becomes unsormountable

[@marcoac-sx6lq]

The rug of center-northern Europe is at this point of galactic dimensions

[@gpolonia]

@@marcoac-sx6lq the real problem is that there is no real policy of integration, no minimum wage, and no plan for reducing no-contract work

[@ascaro1885]

Dagua 🙏🏼

[@soundscape26]

Albania isn't even that big

[@archieclark6544]

TLDR does love to use that barbed wire PNG when immigration comes up

[@dannylogtenberg3154]

They would like to associate it with concentration camps. But is the realtime its a bloody hotel.

[@Patrick-y4d1z]

Yeah, definitely not super biased. The constant "far right is against mass migration" nonsense they're pedalling is also pathetic.

[@ChrisBa303]

I remember visiting the great City of Rom last year after hearing how beuit is for years only to be greeted by atleast 20 migrants sleeping at one of the main Bus stations on the floor. Their solution to the problem seemed to just ignore it. They treated the migrants like pigeons.

[@Patrick-y4d1z]

They're worse than pigeons.

[@Lord_Ivoundy_Creood]

My aunt was at Roma and she was almost robbed

[@darmansbar7900]

Average Termini experience

[@leonkautz8151]

​@@Patrick-y4d1z dehumanizing much?

[@alexsocial9525]

Ah yes the "let's not count them" approach

[@mohamedrafik2237]

Wow ur name is so Italian

[@gdf_6c]

The 5 Star Movement isn't left wing. Back then it described itself as "neither left nor right" and that was a refreshingly accurate description, as their manifesto was actually peppered by seemingly contradictory ideas

[@PO-zk4vs]

WHY should any western or EU countries pay African countries to halt the illegal immigrants??? If you don't accept them and push them back, then perhaps there'll a stop in the human trafficking!!! SIMPLE SOLUTION!! Enough of this rubbish!!!

[@peterfireflylund]

It is far-left populist.

[@francescomasiero7285]

It's actually left wing

[@edyslavico3761]

At the moment it's decidedly left-wing. It's not the same as it was back then.

[@stormcloak702]

Italian here: boat crossings were reduced but the amount of non-european immigrants increased. My small town got invaded by pakistanis and bangladeshis to the point where some hotels were filled with them. I don't understand what's the point of voting anymore

[@greenlime8726]

What’s bad about people of other nationalities staying in Italy? Pakistanis and Bangladeshi are not different from Italians in any way.

[@Jennyeq]

ditto here in England. My town is now majority foreign - in some parts you wont see a white person. My neighbour quips the only thing British is the buildings that the settlers now occupy... and the generous benefits payments that they collect that keeps them in relative comfort.

[@gregoireaurelien8205]

​@@greenlime8726yes they are 100% different and the sheer présence of bengladeshi or Pakistanis is a problem

[@stormcloak702]

@@greenlime8726 it's bad when it's thousands of young men without a job or any future spending their days walking around. I should mention that their accomodation is paid for by workers like me

[@00dude3]

It's Irregular immigration, it seems pretty regular. It's ILLEGAL immigrantion. Didnt Orwell have a lot to say on policing of language?

[@gpolonia]

The real problem with Meloni is not her, it's all the people she carries with her

[@tanner293]

she chose the people around her, therefore she is the problem

[@rod9829]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="350">5:50</a> regular and “irregular” immigration have vastly different economic effects, please do not conflate these

[@peterfireflylund]

More like European/East Asian immigration vs African/Muslim/Gypsy immigration.

[@Thejoker14444]

No way there is only 32% of Sweden thinks immigration is a burden and 62% its good hell na that is soo wrong...... when was this study done 2015?

[@SuperSniffen]

Depends on where you live. In the big cities (where most people live), most people are not as anti-immigration. I'm guessing you are not from these places?

[@Adam-326]

You'd be surprised how short sighted people can be even in the face of absolute destruction.

[@addylandzaat8080]

No way it was 2015 - as he says 2019.... Also, they give the sources

[@Siegfried_DDT]

@@SuperSniffenbut Sweden saw the first net migration numbers for the first time in 50 years , that wouldn’t be done if immigration wasn’t deeply unpopular

[@JackDrewitt]

​@@SuperSniffensure but 40% of swedes voted for the moderates or SD, didnt those parties campaign on reducing immigration?

[@ryank6065]

The way you designed the foreign born population chart for france is pretty misleading compared to the german and italian ones.

[@matteobagni1235]

They're out of migrants... The bigger problem is what to do with the thousands already in.

[@Kuramoto2719]

remigration

[@NicolasHaufe]

You mean milions

[@Leptospirosi]

The assumption by TLDR that Migration is all the same is baffling! For years, Italy has been unable to process legally submitted request for immigration due to the avalanche of ILLEGAL migrants that just forced their way in. The issue of shortage in the workforce can be easily solved by issuing permits to people that "does it right" now that the uncontrolled flood is stopped. Skilled migrant are all welcome but we need to put the issue under control of the state, not of human traffickers. Migrants that are a burden for the state and ends in illegal activities, willingly or unwillingly are NOT!

[@johnl.7754]

There’s a distinct difference (educations, skills….) between Legal Immigration and Illegal Migration

[@54032Zepol]

Name one.

[@EJH783]

Not necessarily. Just depends on how the state administers immigration bureaucracy.

[@jasonhaven7170]

Still more Afrikans in Italy

[@karimd.2176]

Dont be naive.

[@JustinaMizeraitewin]

One of the difference is also legal migrants with high education are not coming to Italy (especially North) to do the minimum wage jobs. Every country needs a variety of skill sets and when Italy ages, this certainly be the case

[@netiturtle]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="80">1:20</a> Terms 'immigration' and 'irregular immigration' should not be used interchangeably

[@MisterJasro]

When you're using old tweets in your video, like at <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="197">3:17</a>, would you mind also adding the date at which that was written? It'd help me with mentally mapping out a timeline

[@Goldieczech]

i see now that TLDR got much bigger than when i started watching, they now also struggle to differiente illegal migrants and foreign workers

[@Patrick-y4d1z]

They're churning out too much content now that their quality standard has just plummeted. Not to mention the blatantly obvious political bias they're always pushing.

[@lauravergot9995]

Italy's official unemployment rate is 8-9%. Probably bigger in reality. We also have a huge under the table business problem that does not show on official charts. Redirecting and training all those people could partially solve the workers shortage

[@Drakexis6637]

The official unemployment rate is 6,2% and, if you count all the people that are working but "in Nero" this % could be even less. However you're right, we need to redirect and train this people.

[@ryandeasy678]

Only 2 minutes in so maybe this is covered later in the video but I’d love to see that data for the United Kingdom being compared to France, Spain, Italy and Germany

[@closetmonster4471]

They won't show us it will high light how we are being fked over!

[@zen1647]

It's important to differentiate illegal migration from legal migration. Just like we differentiate thieves from moving companies.

[@Queerz4Palestein]

OMG ITALIANS DON'T WANT UNSKILLED MOOZLEEMZ IMMIGRANTS? HOW RACIST!!!

[@matteosala1032]

The left wing propaganda on issues like migrations is nauseating, I will never watch a TDLR video ever again.

[@soundscape26]

So they praise a right wing leader and you talk about left wing propaganda? Uh?

[@ad_astra468]

He's basically kissing her feet and you think this is left wing propaganda? Would there need to be Faccetta nera as background music for you to not consider this left wing propaganda?

[@Michael-fp4qp]

so pointing out what meloni promised and what actually happened afterwards is too painful to watch right?

[@frcluc]

Video starts at <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="44">0:44</a>

[@mustyHead6]

italians overestimate because of A) tourists fill big cities, and B) tourists and immigrants are usually young, more so than native population, therefore they are seen more on streets, schools, jobs, and crime.

[@markdowding5737]

When I visited Italy last summer a lot of the hotel workers were foreigners, but from countries in South America like El Salvador and Venezuela. I don't think Italians mind those sorts of immigrants who come with secured work, follow the rules, and respect the local culture. But even so, you cannot be completely reliant on immigration to solve your aging population problem, because it will leave you permanently dependent on the will of people to move to a country that is not very welcoming to prospective parents. You need to face the rooth of the problem, immigration at best only buys you some time.

[@MustraOrdo]

Cultures rooted in Christianity are compatible to some degree. Same goes for Islamic ones. But when mixing Christianity and Islam... well let's just say that everyone knows that water and oil don't mix.

[@clownofthetimes6727]

In 2019 62% of Sweden thought Immigration made them stronger? Is that why they have voted in an anti immigration party. In the Uk an immigration party is poised to overtake the Torries as second party and could be elected in 5 years time. Using five year old data is ridiculous.

[@TheBooban]

62% didn’t vote anti. Despite the hysterical media, right gains are very small.

[@nicke0b]

” Immigration made them stronger” It is a bad question… I am a swede and vote for anti imigration party….and I would still say yes to that question… because the immigrants that come here to work and create businesses are essential and adds a lot of value…. We just have a large portion of refugees that never work and are culturally incompatible that should be filtered out and not accepted.

[@TheBooban]

@@nicke0b i think your comment got deleted bro.

[@jasonhaven7170]

Reform is nowhere near winning, they'll be capped like UKIP

[@agapitoliria]

The right nuts deceived 30% of the voters in 2022, so it checks out.

[@dannylogtenberg3154]

Retired people; (vormer not working/partime working woman) we have to pay there retiremend and still they complain of getting to less money. Its a ridiculous system.

[@mademedothis424]

Wait, what's the source on that chart about guess estimates of foreign-born residents in multiple countries? It's not on the links list, that I can see, and some of those numbers are *wild*.

[@KommentarSpaltenKrieger]

JFC do you have some kind of deal with Meloni? This fawning is incredible.

[@xander6522]

Immigration between European countries I understand, but do we really need so many non-Europeans in our countries? I don't buy the narrative that our economies would collapse without this type of immigration.

[@Victor-rv1cq]

You don't need to have your economy collapsing to support people to live in the same country as you do, they're human beings, not dairy cattles whose life is only worth it if it benefits you personally

[@The_Midnight_Bear]

​@@Victor-rv1cq Given we both use the same government programs and jobs, thats exactly how this situation needs to be seen as.

[@reiudfgq3vrh34ur]

​@@Victor-rv1cqnah they are useless burden

[@MarketsDriveTheWorld]

​@@Victor-rv1cqyou know my country is supposed to do what benefits me and other citizens..... That's the whole point of having a country to begin with....

[@Victor-rv1cq]

@@MarketsDriveTheWorld In what world fighting against the poverty in migrant communities, and promoting foreign workers to come does not benefit you

[@a.voldemaras9448]

I'm sure the illegal immigrants are highly skilled people that are able to plug the so called skill gap Italian businesses lack.

[@trrr938]

Good joke

[@jacques.cousteau]

/s

[@ptyten9718]

Italians themselves aren't even able to do that so yea they need the inmigrants they hate so much.

[@EJH783]

Maybe it’s more of an issue of skilled Italians ditching their country for a nicer paycheck abroad

[@mrsupremegascon]

@@EJH783 Due to the number of migrants in Italy, lowering the wages there in the first place. Simple offer and demand trick.

[@getnohappy]

Immigration is a subject that short circuits everyone: Right declares it to be an existential threat and are called fascist; the Left declares it a utopian ideal and are called naïve or delusional. And it's an areas where both sides have merit; we can't ignore the *wink wink* behind what the Right says, but neither can we ignore that mass migration causes social tension and the costs/benefits are not equally distributed. Sadly I can't see any common ground being reached as each's base must be maintained.

[@jan_darysh]

What I am trying to say is, if you know "that”, why leave ”it” alone? This is a problem for Italians, not immigrants.

[@zakparamir755]

But Italy's legal, specially educational immigration schemes are very generous and actually amazing for students. I think they're more focused on asylum seekers and not on students/ professional workers, unlike Netherlands.

[@dhruvsharma6893]

Yeah the post study visa for masters students is really lucrative with lot of scholarships but not so easy to get A citizenship afterwards. Dont know much about Netherlands except a post study visa of like only 12 months and housing crisis also

[@zakparamir755]

@@dhruvsharma6893 Netherlands has nearly doubled the minimum required amount of financial ability. They have also made it tougher for most non-EU countries to get educational visas.

[@Patrick-y4d1z]

They're not asylum seekers - just illegal migrants.

[@n.s-j.6214]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="350">5:50</a> Cracking down on illegal immigration isn’t contributing to Italy’s labour shortage. Restricting skilled immigration would do that. It is disappointing how tldr fails to make that distinction in every video concerning immigration.

[@Bottleofwater-n5y]

@@n.s-j.6214 that was implicit

[@MarketsDriveTheWorld]

As an Italian I will believe the worker shortage when they'll start offering decent salaries... Italy also has big unemployment and low number of working people even among the working age population.... Believe me there is no such thing as a worker shortage there is only a shortage of slaves which of course are never enough. 😉

[@theinternetofrandomthings7796]

Not if the labour shortage is for unskilled labour

[@Victor-rv1cq]

most of works they're talking about don't need skilled workers (contruction, cleaning, transport) so restricting any kind of immigration will make damage on these basic sectors. You don't need to be a doctor to become driver

[@tomgjgj]

@@theinternetofrandomthings7796 To be frank, the labour shortage is for both.

[@sccello]

It doesn't make sense that worker visas would be picked up by illegal immigrants. A visa is inherently an application you make to the government that the government has granted. You can't have a visa and be an illegal immigrant. You can become an illegal immigrant if you overstay your visa time allowance, but you can't have both at the same time.

Let me say : Propaganda is important in stopping migration. If they believe that you will stop illegal crossing, they will stop coming illegally.

[@Miamcoline]

Fair assessment of a difficult topic.

[@juanpedrowallace1117]

And in Germany increasing +30% from last year. Is not a solution just passing the ball.

[@nielskorpel8860]

We should expect wages to rise among this enforced labour shortage.

[@themeanmachine84]

Well the whole point is not to limit migration itself but but stop illegal migration. Because if someone makes the effort to get into a country in a legal way he usually has some money and skills to work and support himself.

[@ThomasBoyd-d7j]

That reflects Italy Republic 🇮🇹 position on it. Italy Republic said no UN migration pact. Support Britain England London rejoin EU again. They support Ukrainian people Italy big time politically. Italy Republic pulled off politically Italy has strong economy in EU over last 2 years.

[@chadvader974]

That UK chart is cooked. Where are you getting your stats from lol?

[@hothorizon]

I ask that you please work on your lighting. It is too dim.

[@Czarmzy]

Seems like the best solution would be to increase native fertility rates

[@fesyuki-kun2332]

You haven't learned anything from Hungary

[@larswillems9886]

Yeah, but how?

[@Kam1n1_]

@@larswillems9886 lower the cost of living.

[@agmuntianu]

No Country, No Regime has ever managed to increase the fertility rate medium/long term of its productive population ever. I mention medium/long term, because giving financial incentive will increase the fertility rate in the short term and then it would drop below what it was before , as people that were delaying starting a family would take advantage of the benefits now, but not have more children than initially planned. I also mention productive population (working/middle class, tax paying), you can have increased fertility among religious/ethnic communities, but that fertility increase does not help the state in the long run. A good example being the ultra-ortodox Jews (Hareidim) in Israel, that have 3x the fertility rate of the secular population, but pay on average 1/5 in taxes.

[@Patrick-y4d1z]

@@agmuntianu That's because they're never fixing the problem. -Housing -Cost of living That's literally it. Both are improved by stopping mass migration.

[@anarkitty0]

They are just counting less

[@alex-z4c6n]

SHE DIDN'T.

[@petruflorintofoleanu5865]

MELONI CHICKEN 🐔 ON PAYROLL OF ELITE

[@carlosroura7581]

The data at <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="177">2:57</a> where it says "actual" does not really match with the data presented just earlier at <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="170">2:50</a> . Germany has a difference of 1% and France a difference of 2% while Italy's percentage does match. That's ok of a difference depending on the sample But the second chart says Spain has only 10% while the previous said 14%. That's a big difference, the second survey is saying that Spain only has 2/3 of the immigrants that the first survey says... one of those studies, or both, is wrong And the big difference can be easily justified because the children of migrants do not count officially as migrants, but in terms of population ethnicity are perceived as such (and many of them, I fon't know if it's 1/3, half of them, 2/3 or whatever, behave as migrants meaning that they don't fully integrate, it takes a few generations sometimed

[@Jennyeq]

Problem is not just stopping immigration - there needs to be repatriation.

[@renekuipers4563]

No.

[@Ricardo-mk2et]

Irregular arrivals or illegal migration?

[@MrCalls1]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="204">3:24</a> Thank you for reminding me of this. We’ve spent so long with Meloni as the recognised leader, receiving all the usual respect and treatment, that it’s been easy for me to forget where her dangerous heart lies when not constrained by constitutional checks.

[@JoelLinus]

what are you talking about

[@jacques.cousteau]

Well, she is right. Soros spends millions financing NGOs that actively supports mass migration. Why does he do that?

[@EJH783]

Mussolini party

[@agapitoliria]

@@JoelLinus she's part of the Great Replacement weirdos. As if Italy was part of the "superior european race" in the first place lol

[@MarketsDriveTheWorld]

As an Italian I will believe the worker shortage when they'll start offering decent salaries... Italy also has big unemployment and low number of working people even among the working age population.... Believe me there is no such thing as a worker shortage there is only a shortage of slaves which of course are never enough 😉.

[@54032Zepol]

You see! Walls do work!

[@ad_astra468]

No wall was built, the migrants come by sea not land.

[@TSEEMOD_618]

As Italian I am often appalled that these videos are praising so much the mediocrity of italian politicians all of the damn times, while never talking in depth about any topic. Not to mention all of the mistakes of this video. Migration became a hot topic in the 2010s. LOL Bossi-Fini law is from 2002

[@Queerz4Palestein]

You can move to North Korea.

[@ad_astra468]

Yeah this is extremely surface level. He didn't even mention Minnitti.

[@danielefabbro822]

Short answer: no, not at all. Moreover she wasted money for a receiving center in Albania where we paid for infrastructures, we pay to bring there the migrants... But due to complex European burocracy, to put it in short, we are also forced to bring them back in Italy. So it's pointless. It was just a political manuever to show she have done something while in reality she is just wasting our money. The whole country of Italy runs at high efficiency wasting literally no money because... well, we don't have money to waste... But politicians instead are the only ones that continue to waste money, public money. Even our military is highly efficient in that regards: we spend just the 1.20% of our GDP in defence btaining one of the most high tech and well trained armed forces with reasonable numbers among the whole NATO... But politicians instead can waste public money just to make a good show of themselves. Italy needs politicians up to the task, up to the reputation of the country, up to efficiency of the country. People with balls of iron that are able to do the right thing. Not these spineless people that just think at their reputation. Especially now that our country is officially become a major world power.

[@unscrupuloussloth44]

lol your titles get more and more ridiculous

[@andreacataldi788]

She don't have solve nothing the people continue tò come in Italia its fake..m

[@malemrajoinam]

Why do so many use the word immigrant for refugee especially in Europe

[@inteallsviktigt]

Because they are immigrants. You have legal and illegal immigration.

[@aakashrajawat3543]

Yes, I strongly agree since I see the same conflation in usage.

[@MrCalls1]

Pretty sure refugee is a subset of migrant. It’s very useful to disentangle that state’s humanitarian obligations and voluntary migration policy, but they are both fundamentally part of a larger category. Furthermore, until an ‘asylum seeker’ is recognised to have a legitimate claim they are not a refugee, just a seeker, if they fail they may have the opportunity to apply for migration under the normal processes.

[@vladsky44]

they are neither refugees nor immigrants, they are illegal migrants

[@ethanloveland504]

because most crossing the med come from North Africa, which outside of libya, aren't nations currently at war or in political or economical turmoil, and therefor their citizens aren't at fear of persecution, or they have experienced violence or human rights violations. If refugees are going to N. Africa to then go onto Europe then they aren't refugees/asylum seekers anymore because they didn't seek asylum in the first safe country.

[@thepax2621]

Having to praise Meloni must grate both the EU and TLDR 😅

[@MGuðmundur]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="204">3:24</a> What a hero Meloni!!! Grande bella!!!

[@thepax2621]

Great... The comment purge is going down again 🙄

[@Kowalski-x7]

Propaganda

[@pieter7360]

It is a general trend across the Mediterranean. It is clearly not specific to Italy. But, Meloni solved migration!

[@windwaker0rules]

Probably like how they did it in Australia, make it illegal to report on it by the press and boarder possessing

[@gregs3845]

One thing I kind of agree with is giving money to the countries the migrants are coming from to improve the lives of people in their own countries...the problem with that is they people Meloni is giving money to are not using the money to improve the lives of people desperate enough that they will try to cross the Med in shitty inflatable and barely seaworthy boats, and go into massive debt to do so. The problem isn't stopping people from trying to get in, the problem is making life better in their own countries so they see no reason to leave. That way Europe will have to beg and offer high paying jobs to get people to immigrate so that their societies don't collapse under a self-made demographic crisis. Ahhh, but the wealthy west really doesn't really want developing countries to prosper, how else are they going to find desperate workers willing to work for unlivable wages, but also blame those same workers for a sinister Jewish backed Great Replacement conspiracy?

[@jaime3579]

Its weird to mix statistics of the perception of societies towards immigration, while the main concern on the west is about illegal migrations. Two different topics and too much confusion between them.

[@M-tl4xt]

Purposefully so

[@closetmonster4471]

GS needs prison and his money taken away and used to deal with this problem he has made!

[@theactivecoconut6077]

Total Meloni-Chan victory

[@EJH783]

Italy just has low productivity from all the sitting around drinking coffee, eating gelato and gossiping

[@marcoac-sx6lq]

Yes and Germany is losing ground due to all the people drinking beer and getting drunk at the Oktoberfest

[@Queerz4Palestein]

Ok, but it's totally worth it!

[@daudimasinde6280]

Sitting around gesticulating.

[@soundscape26]

Well, if they sit around all day dinking coffee and eating gelato and still manage to have the 9th biggest GDP in the world then it's a recipe for success 😂

[@Queerz4Palestein]

@@soundscape26 Isn't it the 8th biggest?

[@2Links]

I love it when the clickbait titles just happen to glorify far right leaders...

[@80-80.]

We need to draw a clear line between right-wing parties that are friendly to Putin and those that are not.

[@Parakeet-pk6dl]

I think many people don’t even mind anymore if a certain politician is (far) left or (far) right; they hear someone claiming “stopping immigration” and that person gets the vote…

[@degviela]

There is nothing wrong about beeing Right wing or Conservative everybody has the rights to their believes just like Left wing people if you are far right or far left then its problematic.

[@silverdoctor6298]

​​@@80-80.As if Meloni and the members of her government (Salvini and Berlusconi, when he was alive) weren't pro-Putin (Salvini didn't change). Then strangely she turned out to be anti-Putin after the invasion of Ukraine (even though Russia had already occupied Crimea for several years).

[@silverdoctor6298]

​@@degvielaWhy is it problematic if I'm far left? What is problematic about wanting a global democratic society without states and without money?

[@MGuðmundur]

Europe for Europeans!

[@EJH783]

Should’ve thought about that before brutally colonizing the world

[@jasonhaven7170]

no.

[@miramuchachito296]

Fertility rate!

[@Victor-rv1cq]

nazi vibes comment

[@MarketsDriveTheWorld]

​@@miramuchachito296China has lower and they are definitely not going to import half a billion people to fix that....

[@scientist_nick]

Meloni is the best prime minister statistically speaking that Italy has seen in the last 25 years.

[@JLjl1910]

You don't know anything about Italy if you say that shit with a straight face my friend

[@AkhmatProductions]

Dont make me laugh 😂

[@marcoac-sx6lq]

@@AkhmatProductions just cope

[@AkhmatProductions]

@@marcoac-sx6lq im coping to see my country being destroyed by la Melona

[@reiudfgq3vrh34ur]

​@@AkhmatProductionsand yet She is themost popular PM in the past 15 yrs?