To Anneal Brass or Not!

Should you? ...and if you should, when? In this video you'll see what happens if you do or if you don't!
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[@cracktimmy]

My alpha OCD brass just got reloaded for the 20th time because I anneal EVERY SINGLE FIRING

[@SigmaBallistics]

Greg reloaded a 22 creed over 40 times without annealing lol

[@cracktimmy]

@@SigmaBallistics lol I’m sure!! But mine is for real… I’m curious how long it’s gonna last but I know Im gonna purchase new brass

[@APACHE529CREWCHIEF]

Before or after resizing

[@cracktimmy]

@@APACHE529CREWCHIEFI always anneal before resizing

[@CplSkiUSMC]

My order of operations is... de-prime, wet tumble, anneal, size, neck expand, chamfer/deburr/neck brush, and of course prime, charge, seat. You might note that trim is not typically part of that but I want that neck long enough to minimize the carbon ring build-up so I only trim when the brass reaches max length and then I only trim a couple thousandths. I really should go in and clean the ring then chamber some cases at various lengths and use my bore scope to find out exactly what it should be.

[@agscustomparts]

quite informative! thank you for in depth analysis!

[@ChadKelly7]

Great info, Greg. I'm enjoying learning from you. I have your CPS and I just recently got an AMP to learn as I get into the longer range stuff. Your videos are always informative and we all appreciate the time you take to make these. Now to try and save up for the eventual Prometheus 🤣. Gonna be a while for that one I think, but I'll get there!! Have a great week.

[@travisprice3368]

So informative and in depth. Thanks kindly for putting in the hard work !

[@jetman1035]

I appreciate the amount of time and effort you put into this. You don't just knock out a video. That's exactly why I became a member. Great job!

[@primalrights]

I appreciate that!

[@jeffreyrovinsky7421]

Thank you for the metrics using the AMP Press.

[@xxshiftlockxx]

Love these tests man. This is great stuff. If you don't mind me asking, how come you use the expander that pulls through the neck vs presses down into the neck like a 21st century expander mandrel? What I've heard is when using an expander ball that gets pulled through the neck, it can cause concentricity issues. Funny enough, F-Class John did a test showing how concentricity really doesn't have as big of an effect as people believe it does. Just wanted to get your .02 on the subject.

[@chrisz6918]

Great Video Greg, nicely done. Reminds me of a debate on FB a few days ago on a German reloading group. As i expected, people got mad over it, calling it BS, you don´t need to do it, i´ve never it and my groups are fine and all that other crap. I got lucky a while ago and got a very mildly used AMP Mk 1 with the Aztech Upgrade and i like this machine. Yes, it still was a bunch of money, but i did not regret it after all.

[@highseassailor]

You quickly made neck tension relatable for those who don't know.

[@hewlett260]

Gotta say, my primer pockets usually give out before I worry about splitting necks. Never had a split neck on any of my cartridges but have had times where primers were seated and then came right back out and fell on the bench. I am sure there is a benefit to annealing but have yet to really see it show on the target.

[@shadyburnz12]

Good stuff brother

[@misterlewgee8874]

Interesting all in all. Thanks for sharing. You raise some interesting ideas...like move neck more as maybe less variance in large amount of work ...pardon if I got it wrong.. I sonic clean, then, imperial dry lube, graphite . I don't like idea of bits of rice possibly getting stuck..but..never tried. Love amp annealing Don't have amp press...so can't really tell I neck Collet size..as no lube required...and minimal work on brass. Maybe your shiny smooth annealed neck comes from remnant lube. I shoot 17, 20 cal...sometimes case necks dented or deformed...so I oft lightly neck size, while depriming using Lee collet die...to make neck symmetrical again before annealing.. Good to watch...I like your content..

[@11mchristo]

Only if you want to greatly extend the life of your brass, improve neck-tension consistency, and imrove the cartridge accuracy. Otherwise...don't bother.

[@firee2]

Do you have any comments in regards to gas guns? As you know most ejected cases have case mouth damage that sizing corrects. Would you neck size, then anneal, then full lenght size? Or just anneal the case with a deformed neck first? Thank you

[@justice1327]

Great job!

[@primalrights]

Thanks!

[@jacobdeem8187]

Man you nerd out. Pretty sweet

[@3-angelssanctuaryandlearni468]

Hi Greg, thanks for the in-depth tutorial on your loading procedures. If you were to be using a full-length sizing die with expander ball, would that dictate any necessity to alter the process? For example, would you still anneal prior to sizing or after that part of the process? Does the expander ball being drawn up through the neck of an annealed case cause excess case neck stretching, thereby decreasing case life expectancy otherwise annulled by using mandrel dies? Thanks so much for the effort you exert in teaching this craft. Blessings from northern BC.

[@primalrights]

I lube the id of the neck to keep the expander clean and smooth.

[@foonus406]

Do you think that you are seeing consistency in your process with the rice tumbling because some of the lube from the outside of the cases is getting on the rice and being spread inside the necks? Thanks again for the video!

[@primalrights]

I lube the inside of the necks.

[@whliving]

Have you compared results from your Bench Source to the Amp annealer to determine if there are any practical differences?

[@richardwills8017]

Greg, perhaps a little off subject a bit on this video, however I’d like your thoughts on something. A short time ago I switched to a SAC sizing die. I am currently using another companies expander die and mandrels, very similar to Sinclair’s version. I spoke with SAC and they related that I am much better off using their mandrels that expand immediately following sizing. Clearly, sizing expanding inside the sizing die will reduce a step in brass processing, but do you think it is actually a better method of using a mandrel. Thanks so much. Scott

[@primalrights]

Yes, I agree 100% with SAC. The SAC/Forster method of having the expander enter the neck/shoulder junction before the neck has left the neck portion of the die, is critical. I address this in several of my recent videos. The video on the 7PRC Primal, the video on "this is hurting your performance," and perhaps the .20 BRA video... I mention why this is important. A separate mandrel op gives you another opportunity to introduce variables, which you don't want... and running more strokes of the press is just not a good idea. Then there's the fact that most mandrel dies do not support the case in any way. Then other dies with expanders that are set low in the case, suffer the same problem and tend to produce very lackluster results. Go with the Short Action Customs configuration. It's the best there is.

[@richardwills8017]

@@primalrights I’ll put the order in, thanks so much. I am a person that “shoots to reload”, I just love gathering data and testing. I can see, based on you video’s, that I have to have an Amp press. The information it provides is incredible. Owning one would of course require more testing, which I just love.

[@Lucysdad66]

You should really be wearing a white jacket with a pocket protector when you speak to us Mr professor.

[@85ZERO17]

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[@primalrights]

Indeed there is! You can join this channel using the "join" button above at the Apprentice level or higher, and you can have 1-on-1 consulting sessions with me at your leisure. Once you're signed up, just call the main phone number from our website, and we'll get you squared away!

[@livefiretacticaltraining7674]

Hey Greg, regarding annealing for the 7mm PRC Primal virgin case prep; I had 100 pieces of Lapua brass that I sacrificed in learning my Autodod neck turner, and practicing expanding to .28 and .30, etc. In that lot, I sacrificed a case to my Amp Annealer after expanding to .28 and I got an anneal code of 0165. Then I expanded to .30 and sacrificed another case to the Amp Annealer and got a code of 0162. My question is, should I Subject my brass to 2 different settings? Should I use one code after expanding to .28, and then another after expanding to .30? Or should I just use the first code I got after expanding to .28 and keep that setting for the life of the brass? Thanks Greg!

[@primalrights]

I haven’t tested it like that, but I’d run hottest each time.

[@chrisweber4450]

What if we don't have an expensive method for absolute uniform annealing? Is it better to skip the process or anneal the best we can anyways? Thanks

[@primalrights]

Better to anneal using whatever you’ve got than not at all. Use a drill, socket, and flame color change method I pioneered many years ago.

[@chrisweber4450]

@primalrights thank you so much for the reply. I just got on the annealing train and did that very same method you mentioned for a lot of brass Love the channel. So helpful and informative

[@Vintovka]

​@@primalrights do you have a video or article for this method?

[@primalrights]

@@Vintovka yes, my annealing video from like 6-8 years ago.

[@davidhoward7691]

I anneal all my MAGNUM rifle brass. Not so much 223 or 300 BLK

[@primalrights]

They could benefit from it more than magnum.

[@tonydevich7937]

Thanksbgreg

[@skinnypedaldown5044]

Stop neck sizing

[@toddvandyke8737]

Again, Thank you for the excellent video. I appreciate your data driven approach. There is so so much information tucked away, but available for members. I think shooters at every level could glean loads of valuable insight by joining!

[@primalrights]

Glad it was helpful!