To Tell the Truth - Anne Frank's "hider", Victor Kugler; PANEL: Jackie Cooper (Sep 16, 1958)

PANEL: Polly Bergen, Jackie Cooper, Kitty Carlisle, Hy Gardner
CONTESTANT #1: Elmer Wheeler (America's number one salesman)
CONTESTANT #2: Victor Kugler (Hider of Otto and Anne Frank)
CONTESTANT #3: Mary Hearn (Representative of the Maharajah of Kuch Behar)
Many thanks, as always, to epaddon for providing his copy of this episode.
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[@jimbutler1189]

One of the most famous events of heroism in WW2. Here is some Geritol.

[@yanikg-force]

Hahaha! You got me there. Nice one. Lol.

[@Banks-gd1in]

Lol

[@ivokarmely453]

Well I guess that’s better than getting a carton of Salem cigarettes. Seriously I wish they had interviewed him for a couple of minutes the story of Anne Frank is one of the most interesting and tragic stories of WWII era.

[@xochil1621]

That's Hollywood for you!

[@mikewrasman5103]

Plus $1,000!

[@kenyongray2615]

Victor Kugler had a lot of guts and humanity to hid the Frank family. He had to think that if he was caught, he would have been killed but he did what he did anyhow. Thanks for the video.

[@billlozier5551]

What an awesome game. Having the man who hid Ann Frank! Omg. A real hero. You just want to hug him.

[@ana419]

Yes, but they didnt even thank him or let him say something. They just whisked him off to go collect his Geritol bottle.

[@annefrankgacha1942]

If you look closely at him when they are stating his information, you could tell he is in pain hearing of the memories he has to carry for the rest of his life. And, also, look at the other 2 guys. They are like, Yup, there is no way I could do something like this!!

[@tomitstube]

it really is stunning to actually see and hear victor kugler, you forget this show was just 13 years removed from the end of world war II and the holocaust, and all those survivors of unimaginable tragedies and horrors were still alive. this really brings it home for me.

[@crmay72]

Absolutely! I visited Anne Frank's hiding place in 2003. A very moving experience....

[@PhilMoskowitz]

9/11 is nearly twice as far away as the end of WWII is to this broadcast.

[@skyedog24]

And look how people don't remember . And don't care​@@PhilMoskowitz

[@whoever6458]

Thank you, Victor! People from both sides of my family died just in Auschwitz and while we all hope that we could be as heroic as you were, only people like you know that this is what you'd do under those circumstances.

[@laurenduvall8547]

I am sorry for your loss.

[@themagyarfiucska]

Victor Kugler, a true hero! ❤️

[@mmbmbmbmb]

+NB ... would have deserved a bit more recognition and respect by the panel and the moderator.

[@themagyarfiucska]

+mmbmbmbmb I agree.

[@JayTemple]

+Jim Elliott I thought the same thing.

[@SueBeaWho]

+Jim Elliott I also thought it would be Miep.

[@tuxtommy69]

+NB I remember seeing an interview with Miep Gies quite some time ago. What a fantastic lady! That kind of courage is so rarely seen.

[@multilingual972]

There is mention of Miep Gies, Otto Frank's secretary, who went all over Amsterdam getting food for the people and spent many nights with the people of the attic. Miep found the diary.

[@witherblaze]

Mark Schwartz I thought the father found it. he made it out.

[@NotRedRobyn]

Miep definitely found the diary and was saving it for Anne, that's why she didn't read it. She was glad she never read it because if she had, she said she would have needed to destroy it because it contained the real names of underground workers and contacts. When Otto returned she gave it to him. He didn't read it right away either, hoping Anne would return.

[@ellemathews9840]

There is rumors the diary isnt even real.

[@gonefishing6240]

@@ellemathews9840 Those are the nazi supporters that deny the entire holocaust ever happened--ASSHOLES only believe it never happened. Anne Frank's Father--Ottto brought legal action and was proven in a court of law the diary was real

[@rosered103]

@@NotRedRobyn That was an interesting read. Thank you for sharing your knowledge.

[@hansendesigns]

This is exactly why TTTT is exasperating to try to watch. You have a man who braved the Nazis, who defied them at great personal cost, who only escaped them by luck, who really has no other moments on television and they never talk to him. Really? I feel this way about every "truth-telling" guest but it gets especially poignant here with Mr Kugler.

[@totellthetruthcbs4220]

I have to agree with you. It's a big problem I have with the format. I think they would have benefited from doing two segments with room for talking afterwards. But considering that the show ran for more than a decade, it's probably a good thing I wasn't the producer. :)

[@MrMZaccone]

This is a game show. There are plenty of interviews of Victor Kugler out there if you just look, but expecting one here is just silly. It's almost as silly as expecting a reality TV star to be a decent president.

[@Bigwave2003]

This show made time for singers to sing a song and dancers to dance. They could have spared a couple of minutes to ask Mr. Kugler about his heroism and the Frank family.

[@bobthetvfan]

@@Bigwave2003 No doubt they would have in the Garry Moore era. There were two games and a chance to talk to the truth-tellers.

[@poetcomic1]

Bravo to the panel for keeping intelligent and sober mood throughout this segment. It was a bit tasteless by my standards.

[@daniellatheczarina2u915]

I'm from the UK and never heard of this panel game show but I'm thoroughly enjoying this! So many interesting participants! ❤

[@michaelterry1000]

Thank you for hiding Anne Frank, don't forget to pick up your bottle of Geritol.

[@MovieJon]

Odd disparity in having a daring person whose story really didn't have a happy ending appearing on a frolicsome TV game show (and even having to listen to a panel offhandedly determine why "he" is or isn't telling the truth about his experiences with the massacre of his friends.) I do think that, stirring as it is, thirteen years after the war the story might not have been as stunning and memorable to people as it became after the release of the movie and more time passed (after all, there were probably many people alive then who underwent all sorts of horrifying personal experiences, but this one rose to prominence, especially over time. In '58, it might have been more a sad story than the worldwide beacon of hope and understanding it later emerged as?)

[@HenJack-vl5cb]

I agree.I find it kind of profanity to display it for a fun.

[@laurat1962]

@MovieJon I agree completely. They all seem to take the situation too lightly. That segment had a very strange feeling considering how harrowing his experience had to have been.

[@larciabella]

Kitty wasn't listening to the previous questions,they already asked where she died.Also, there were numerous rooms in the annex.Also, Margot,her sister was with Anne in Bergen Belsen not her best friend.Her friend Hannah Goslar met Anne in the camp the last few days of her life.She threw care packages to Anne over the fence and then one day Anne didn't turn up.

[@carollund8251]

Yes that was a weird question. If she had a best friend in camp it was her sister, but I don't think that is what the questioner was getting at. Also, I dont believe they had much information about what she did and who she met in the camp in 1958. The books that give all those details, as related by survivors who knew her in the camp, came out much later. Strange also that the real Kugler said there was " a room for the girls". Anne shared a room.with a rather obnoxious man, I forget his name.

[@rosered103]

Thank you for giving the inforamtion.

[@brachio1000]

A chilling last sentence to your comment.

[@halwarner3326]

Th panel acted like he was no big deal, WTF.

[@Plmncvb]

I recall the film---which hadn't been released when this show aired---was the real initial major revelation of Anne Frank and it made a huge impression on the American public. Thereafter the name and circumstances of the Frank's ordeal were widely known and it did become, a "big deal".

[@rharvey2124]

@@Plmncvb Yes only East Coast fans of Broadway or huge fans of it elsewhere in the nation would have known about the stage play. The book that play was based on probably only became widely known after the movie.

[@dfreitag52]

I agree with alot of the comments and that Mr. Kugler wasn't given a standing ovation by the panel or the audience or the host. Something more needed to be done and acknowledged even by TV at that time. The producers missed a important moment in history, but hey with corporate america, it is only about the bucks and it is still true today and worse. Thank you Mr. Kugler for being a hero and not a corporate asshole.

[@fuscinula]

Yes, seriously. The host just told him to go fetch his prize, like if he was an ordinary guest... I assume it was still a sensitive, perhaps even taboo subject, on family-oriented shows.

[@antonioacevedo5200]

The show gave Sir Edmond Hillary, the conqueror of Mt. Everest, a plaque, oil painting and one thousand dollars for his accomplishment. To me, what Mr. Kugler did was far greater and more dangerous, but don't even say anything about it. A very poor showing indeed.

[@victoriataylor5457]

@@antonioacevedo5200 Totally agree. What Mr. Kugler did was far more dangerous, a real hero in my eyes, a man that I have a great deal of admiration for.

[@mikealvord55]

It was not as big a deal in the 1950s as it is today

[@danielminutilli5372]

@@mikealvord55 yes, the story became bigger over the years as the Diary of Anne Frank was stidued in school.

[@ashleym400]

the only reason i got turned off to watching this show is because of polly bergen...she’s very rude

[@rharvey2124]

Polly Bergen never graduated high school and was very insecure because of that I have read. The "rudeness" might be because of that?

[@mikegregory7844]

This should shown in every Civic class in the USA!

[@CarlDuke]

Thanks for posting this. It is probably my favorite episode ever. Loved the questioning by Jackie Cooper concerning the Indian tiger hunts and I'll explain why. When Jackie asked each woman, which advertising agency they worked for, I didn't know about two of them, but when contestant #3 said Foote, Cone and Belding, that rang a bell. FCB was back then one of the leading advertising firms of the era with major, major clients. It is one of the oldest such firms in the world and is still with us today. But I really enjoyed when Jackie messed up on the word Shakar, the Indian term for the hunting expeditions. I'm assuming most in the audience there and among those viewing at home were laughing at Jackie's alleged butchering of the term, but that would have been a mistake. Hearing Kitty flail away trying to pronounce the word subliminal in an earlier segment, and winding up with sub-lim-e-al, and response of laughter she received, probably inspired Jackie to try his hand at a humorous moment. But there was much more to what Jackie said. Cooper very much knew what he was doing with a little inside humor. First he mispronounced it as shiksar and then added in shikker. And then Bud, who I at first thought was confused, showed that he too was in on the joke and tried to rein Jackie in. So let me explain. The terms Jackie used were not his mispronunciation of the word, but his clever use of two Yiddish terms. Shiksa, to which he added the R to better make it seem like he was just confused, is a term meaning a gentile girl or woman. And Shikker is the term meaning a drunk. Jackie apparently realizing that all of the other panelists that night happened to be Jewish, knew he'd get a great response, and Polly in particular (a convert to Judaism) became convulsed in laughter. Bud trying to get things under control, budded in and when he said Happy New Year, as the lone gentile there, was letting Jackie know he was in on the joke. As this was September, to most the wish must have seemed like he was just chiding Jackie for his silliness, with some of his own. When Bud makes that wish, we can hear Kitty laugh uproariously at Bud's unexpected quip. However the Jewish new year always comes around this time, just as it has this year. Looking it up on line, in 1958, this show just happened to have been broadcast on the second night of Rosh Hashanah, the Jewish New Year. When I first saw this episode and interplay, I has assumed that Cooper, the All American child super star, was a Christian, so this surprised me a bit. So I looked up things on line and discovered that while Cooper's mother was Catholic and apparently raised him that way, his dad John Cooper was Jewish, though Jackie had little contact with him after the marriage dissolved when Cooper was only 2. Whether it was this, or growing up at MGM where studio head Louis B. Mayer and a number of his executives were fluent in Yiddish, Jackie, born John Cooper Jr., had apparently learned quite a few Yiddish terms.

[@moontheloon5]

Lol, I noticed the shiksa and Happy New Year references too. Jackie Cooper was a great panelist.

[@jayonnaj18]

Yiddish is not the true Hebrew/ Israelite language. Those so-called "Jews" of Europe are imposters, they are not the descendants of Noah's son Shem through whom came Jacob/Israel and his 12 sons, i.e., the 12 tribes of Israel! The "Jews" of Europe are the descendants of Japheth,, another of Noah's three sons! See Genesis 10 verses 2 through 5! Japheth's descendants migrated up and inhabited the continent we now call Europe, and are not God's chosen people descended from Shem only!

[@rharvey2124]

Thank you because that on this episode of TTTT slipped by me. Oy vey. Moss Hart was Jewish - so Kitty converted also then....

[@CarlDuke]

@@jayonnaj18 Go away and take your stupidity and nastiness with you.

[@CarlDuke]

@@rharvey2124 No Kitty was born Jewish in New Orleans, which always had a small but constant Jewish community. Her mother feeling a Jewish girl would never be accepted by the pillars of society left with her daughter to seek a place with greater opportunities.

[@ana419]

They had historical figure Victor Kugler in front of them, and they did not allow the man a single minute to talk, send a message, nor did they even recognize and thank him for his heroism? They just whisked him offstage to go collect his Geritol bottle. What's the point, just to impress? Some of the panelists' questions were so embarrassingly ignorant and this was not long after WWII. Anne didnt have a "best friend" in the concentration camp, and how would we know if her diary was left behind? Did she think they would answer "Kitty"? She was taken and died with her sister. Clearly, she hadn't read the book. Did Americans commit indigenous genocide, run a slave trade, pave the continent and fight two world wars so they could watch these superficial game shows?

[@leannsherman6723]

So well said.

[@leesher1845]

This episode merited more time than Bud Collier gave it. He didn’t seem to understand or appreciate the historical importance of this man and his story.

[@moonlightray8493]

Mr. Kugler #2 just had a morose look in his eyes, reflecting the weight of all the inhumane situations that he both witnessed and went through... It's incredible the range of historically significant figures this show was able to bring on!

[@edezagon]

I am surprised none of the panelists said anything about what a horrible ordeal it was... and thanking them for their service to mankind... also, I knew the first was Hungarian, it's such a typical accent and the second one sounded more Dutch, so I went for the 2nd from a linguistics point of view... I am surprised Mr Kugler actually went on such a mundane show, at least his name will be remembered. Sad sad part of our human history.

[@xochil1621]

I'm rather discussed at how and why they hunted those beautiful animals. No amount of money is worth their lives!

[@VioletJoy]

That #1 salesman sure seemed like the best salesman. The other two didn't come close. I would have voted for #1 on the first two guests. Clearly, I'm not very good at this game. Lol

[@fuscinula]

At first, I thought V. Kugler was the first contestant... until he pronounced Bergen-Belsen rather weirdly.

[@livewireOrourke]

You could tell it was more emotionally painful for him to mention that place.

[@fje6902]

Their treatment of Mr. Kugler was reprehensible, but they were also extremely casual about the slaughter of tigers. That woman said, "Plenty of tigers around." Not any more.

[@jmslaforzadeldestino4943]

They ask a question of the tiger lady at the end but no questions or air time for Victor Kugler - the hider of Anne Frank - really?

[@leannsherman6723]

I know; exactly.

[@SherryAnnOfTheWest]

I think since it WAS so closely removed from the end of the war and Anne Frank's death, they sort of "tread lightly" on that sort of thing .... we have the benefit of time, looking back over the years (many more years) and have grown up with the book, play, movie and the world-famous museum. I just don't think they knew what to ask him.

[@brachio1000]

Tepid applause for an honest-to-God hero.

[@lesleyarathoon4971]

I was pretty sure right way who the real Victor Kugler was, he looked the most haunted.

[@kaliem4052]

"Will the real slim shady please stand up"

[@mikewrasman5103]

Kitty Carlisle was always a class act.

[@kenbrown438]

Kitty never changes !!!!

[@jacquelinebell6201]

It was so interesting to see the man who hid the Franks. Amazing to think how recently the book and play were written and published. And the movie wasnt out yet.

[@michellepost1016]

This game show often has the boring ones on first, then you have to wait through that to get to the interesting ones.This episode is one example.I'd think 3 panelists would be enough.

[@GirGir183]

Anyone notice Bud wearing the yarmulke? Reaches somewhat of a high point at 17:59 at the mention of "shiksha". Bud feels he has to chip in.

[@p.v.5142]

I can't tell if that's a yarmulke, or weird tv effect. Was Bud Jewish?

[@warrendavies473]

Bud was a Presbyterian Elder.

[@ChrisHansonCanada]

Man #3 in Game #1 Man #2 in Game #2 Lady #1 in Game #3

[@RonGerstein]

Man #3 in Game #1. Poster blew it big !!!!!

[@Damon_Strong]

@@RonGerstein Blew what?

[@RonGerstein]

@StrongDamon Poster originally listed Man #1 in Game #1, but it was Man #3 in Game #1. (The poster edited his comment to change Man #1 to Man #3). So he blew it by texting the wrong Man number.

[@Ivehadenuff]

Bengal tiger hunting. How lovely. Boy, times have changed.

[@henrygrove100]

Happy hunting ladies

[@bubgum00]

That one guy on the panel sounds like Bennet Surf.

[@gemoftheocean]

Cerf

[@wattsjetton3027]

Celebrity Guests: 1. Polly Bergen 2. Jackie Cooper 3. Kitty Carlisle 4. Hy Gardner Host: Bud Collyer

[@robertreese3523]

Interesting. Victor Kuglar’s description of the sleeping arrangements is incorrect. Anne slept in the room with Fritz Pfeffer, I believe Margot stayed in the room with her parents. He probably wasn’t aware of the sleeping arrangements.

[@IPlayOneOnT.V.]

Wow, at first I thought Anne Frank's protector was #3, then #1. I never thought #2 was convincing.

[@lizvisser4221]

My Uncle :)

[@leannsherman6723]

❤

[@loriminnesota]

I can't believe they didn't seem more impressed with Victor Kugler.

[@kenbrown438]

Is Buddy's wearing a hair wig !!!!????

[@greencheek2745]

Why would anyone give thumbs down on this?? I don't get it.

[@youejtube7692]

For the sake of the poor Bengal tigers :(

[@markcornish2519]

I was three days old on this broadcast date!

[@David-yw2lv]

This was a favorite show of mine.

[@johnalbrecht5316]

Plenty of tigers around???,?

[@samsmom400]

Victor Kruger begins at 9 minutes.

[@bendavison9798]

Kulger

[@jeffsmith2022]

Hunting tigers?shame on you all...

[@charleswinokoor6023]

The host neglects to mention that Anne perished in a concentration camp.

[@gemoftheocean]

It had no need to be said everyone knew.

[@rtlstien]

In the first round, I chose 3 based on his reaction to Kitty's question about subliminal messaging.

[@ralphturner3798]

The first two men said their name was Elma, bu the 3rd guy said his name was Elmer.

[@UberLummox]

Thanks CBS, these are fun!!! I generally go with my gut instinct when they 1st. appear rather than answers. But I find these old ones much harder to "vibe out" the real Truther than current TTTT show for some reason.

[@HeWentThattaway]

Ah, the good ol' days when killing endangered animals was in vogue.

[@Sojourning_]

from the account I heard, some-one in the know rated them out.

[@antonioacevedo5200]

God bless you Victor Kluger.

[@kralicesevda926]

Pauli idk how to spell her name but she damm cute

[@denisefrommichigan861]

Loop

[@n.leewynn5084]

I sense a Rascal in the mix...

[@ADAMSIXTIES]

9:00

[@MsBackstager]

It begins at 9:06.

[@henrygrove100]

Gross

[@toinimoore3463]

Paul Edelstein Good thing you didn’t live in the 19th century you would’ve gone hungry!

[@sandrashevey8252]

Only number one was asked the question why he was not deported..`Because I am not a Jew`. The others were not asked the same question and thus the real Victor Kugler did not answer the question. WHY wasn`t he deported with the Franks? Why did Otto Frank survive while this daughters and wife died? Who betrayed the Franks and why? Did Kugler elect to save the firm while selling out the Franks? Did that stupid secretary make such a fuss about possible discovery she didn`t give Otto and Victor a chance to dispatch the daughters elsewhere (before the Gestapo arrived)? I have in my possession a letter from the filthy secretary who was alive until recently. In my letter I berate her for exploiting the Holocaust situation for personal gain. Her letter in reply does little to persuade me this is not so. I wonder how people like Kugler got Green Cards and access to the USA. I know `Operation Paperclip` admitted 40000 Nazis who worked in high positions but who promised to work latterly for the USA government.

[@brachio1000]

I read a bit about Kugler after watching this. He escaped the Gestapo only by a fluke.

[@jensmom604]

I knew it was #2 all along.

[@chairde]

An historic person and they don’t have a conversation with him. Disgraceful behavior and stick that Geritol bottle where the sun doesn’t shine.

this show could never exist today with the internet!

[@natalierae867]

It does exist

[@VahanNisanian]

I wouldn't trust a used car salesman, If I drove a car, which I do not.

[@tomitstube]

you have to love the attitudes in the 1950's, killing tigers and other exotic animals for sport was just another form of occupation. and it wasn't like they were ignorant of this type of slaughter, the american buffalo was nearly wiped out in a matter of a few years during the 1870's. i was watching the 1961 nfl championship game on youtube, the ny giants at the green bay packers, the announcers mentioned it was "deer hunting season" and that's why you saw so much red and orange in the stands, they mentioned church attendance went way down during hunting season. and now the trump administration is opening federal lands for oil drilling and gas fracking, it never ends with the greed, not to mention we as a species have until 2030 before global warming becomes irreversible. the human race is too stupid to save itself.

[@ronniebishop2496]

I suggest you get a life! Hshaha. For your information when I was a kid, I saw three deer my entire life and now in Oklahoma they run in Herds, so you don't know what you're talking about regarding animal conservation, .

[@tomitstube]

@@ronniebishop2496 the myth of using hunting as an animal conservation method. hunting attributes to 6% of conservation, and creates an imbalance within the natural order of nature. won't be long and deer will be herded like cows. www.truthordrought.com/hunting-for-conservation-myths

[@Walterwhiterocks]

Thank God for President Trump.

[@BearWithMe-Jillian]

The human race can't save itself. That's why Jesus died on the cross, so those who believe in Him and accept Him as Lord will be saved. The world won't last forever, the Bible says so. 2 Peter 3:7 says, "By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly." After Jesus returns and the final judgment is carried out, the earth will be destroyed. God will create a new heaven and a new earth, as said in Revelations 21:1, “Then I saw ‘a new heaven and a new earth,’ for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea.” God will reign in this new place and only His people (those who have accepted Jesus as their Lord and Saviour) will live there. It will be a place of righteousness and peace; free from illness, pain, evil, death, temptation, wrongdoing, fear, anger, jealousy, etc.

[@brachio1000]

The global warming clique first said 2005. They've moved it back several times.

[@arvidalexatsinch1163]

The diary is false.

[@amberola1b]

You're an idiot

[@captainbossman1016]

And here we have another stupid Holocaust denier Have some respect for the dead you piece of trash

[@arvidalexatsinch1163]

@Annie497 At least I show my face, and I'm not trolling

[@arvidalexatsinch1163]

@@captainbossman1016 I'm not disrespecting anyone, this is a horrible tragedy

[@captainbossman1016]

@@arvidalexatsinch1163 saying that the diary is false is kinda disrespectful