Trangia Showdown - T28 vs M44 - There can only be one winnner

[@Indiskret1]

Woke up this morning and it hit me (again) that very few KZbinrs makes me in as good mood as you do. Thanks for sharing some time with us on your adventures, much appreciated!

[@RedswedeOutdoors]

Thank you so much, that's so kind of you! 🙌🤩

[@charleshayes5131]

Enjoyed this video. Thanks.

[@RedswedeOutdoors]

Glad you enjoyed it Charles. Cheers!

[@scotthill6807]

Just found Redswede Outsdoors videos. And really like the videos. Thank you for all the work you do. I love my Trangia cooking gear and won’t go fishing, hunting or camping without it. I have the Triangle, T28 and 27 with the kettle.

[@RedswedeOutdoors]

Thank you Scott, I'm glad you liked it. Sound like you're fitted for anything. Cheers!

[@rodrigocappato4207]

100% agreed! Greetings from Västerås.

[@RedswedeOutdoors]

Thanks! Cheers from Göteborg!

[@DextersLab93]

Kul att se flera i Västerås som är intresserade av bushcraft!

[@Indiskret1]

I was fortunate enough to get a brand new and original (stamped) M44 aluminium canister for free from a friend which bought up surplus stuff when Sweden was disarming 15-20 years ago or when that was. I never had any plans to use it until you showed the complete kit in a video, then I started searching and last year found an almost new M44 burner kit with the plastic bottle and all on Tradera for under $20. Will try out the complete M44 this summer!

[@RedswedeOutdoors]

Hot damn, you just became the envy of the Internet, that really was a bargain. Cheers!

[@Indiskret1]

@@RedswedeOutdoors A complete and original kit (aluminium) sold for 399SEK on Tradera in February, so there is still hope for the poor! 😄 I posted a link, but that got erased, so this is a re-post. Easily found via Google anyway.

[@thomasmusso1147]

I 'hate' you ... 😠. Only kidding .. jealously, the green-eyed monster momentarily took control 😁. Lucky fellow you are. Enjoy it 👍😊.

[@thomasmusso1147]

​@@RedswedeOutdoors Yep.

[@michaelheynemann4267]

I own the Mini for "Blackout" occasions und already tried it with different meals. As I tested indoors wind was no issue. So the bigger windshield of the M44 brings no advantage for me. I think the Mini was the right choice. Thank you and be blessed Michael

[@RedswedeOutdoors]

Thanks Michael! Good that you got the right kit for your needs. Cheers!

[@CherokeeTwilight]

I found a wartime M40 about a year ago, only missing the kuksa. $30 USD. I’m still smiling on that one.

[@RedswedeOutdoors]

Quite the catch!

[@markkeeler9995]

Entertaining as always. The first time I used my mini I couldn't believe how much a slight breeze affected it. I've now got a decent aluminium windshield. But I have a question, can 2 mini pots nest with each other? Can 2 minis be combined? I.E. carry 2 minis. One for making coffee whilst the other is cooking.

[@RedswedeOutdoors]

Thank you Mark. I don't think that two Mini pots can nest together that way, and sadly not the Micro either. I tend to bring a T 27 kettle that fits nicely at the potstand. Cheers!

[@onseki1774]

When I first got into camp cooking I got an austrian 3piece mess kit with a swedish M44 windscreen/trangia combo (the only parts that are cheap!). I had to modify the windscreen to fit the austrian cookware, total cost was like $35. I like that the pot is spacious for a lot of food and the windscreen is excellent. The total package is so large and oblong for how little it actually does though. I bought a T25 later and with two bowls and a kettle it's basically smaller and easier to pack. I like mess kits for car camping or lending to a friend who may be cooking but more likely just needs serving dishes. I think it's a valuable tool but mostly novelty!

[@RedswedeOutdoors]

I agree that T25 is more 'packable'. It's a bit heavier but brings so much more to the table, no pun intended. Cheers!

[@chado_outdoors]

There is one thing I'd like to mention. If you look at your packability section, you could look at it like this: if you use a comparable packaging size of the m44 for the mini, then you have space to add food, coffee, collapsible cup, utensils, small bottle of spirits, etc. in this way, the Trangia Mini may actually win that category as well. Thanks for the video, Red!!

[@RedswedeOutdoors]

Thanks Chad! In total the m44 isn't the better choice for slimming pack size even with all the junk I can fit inside, that's true. I was more looking on what can live in each kit always for a 'grab and go' so to speak. Cheers!

[@chado_outdoors]

@@RedswedeOutdoors yessir, I totally understand. And I was on eBay last night looking yet again for an m40/44 to buy, when it dawned on me that I have the Esbit 5-Piece Trekking Cookset that can run solid/gel fuels or has an included alcohol burner, or can even use wood fire. Volume wise (just a bit less), and versatility wise, it's basically the modern m40/44. So, now I look for some other new piece of kit to buy 😂 cheers, my friend!

[@thomasmusso1147]

Yes, my thoughts too. What one forgets is that 'stuff' stored inside the cook set and not used at the time, has to be kept elsewhere .. sometimes lying about nilly-willy, whereas, if kept in a dedicated pouch / container, just that required at any point in time is removed, leaving the other where it should be. Definition of 'Order' .. 'When there is a place for everything and everything is in it's place .. always!' Sorry, I'm being facetious .. but just had to add that 😁.

[@garryruggiero3559]

Thanks for all you do Garry , Raleigh NC U.S.A.

[@RedswedeOutdoors]

My pleasure Garry!

[@sarahs784]

I had a m44 about ten years ago when they were cheap to buy (£20 ish) and I gave it to a friend and kept the mini as it was so much lighter to carry. You can fit a small fold-a-cup in the mini too, Mattias Eriksson had one in a video and I borrowed his idea. Cheers for the interesting experiment 🙂

[@RedswedeOutdoors]

Thank you Sarah. The fold-a-cup isn't a bad idea. Cheers!

[@maxlutz3674]

For actual use I´d go with the PFM 40 over the M44.SRO delivers good quality and I´d hesitate taking a collector´s item to the woods. In actual application the mini wins. It caters to most of my needs. If it´s too small I use one of the bigger Trangias.

[@RedswedeOutdoors]

I've never tried the PFM40 but I would guess that it's comparable in every way to the "original". I totally agree on the Mini and its larger siblings. Cheers Max!

[@jamesharvey44]

Good comparison, I have the Mini, Micro, and the PFM40 and they are both good kits. More often I will take the Mini just because of the packing size, but the M40 goes to larger events that I am cooking for two or more people. I don't think there is a wrong choice here. The Micro on the other hand is a boil only kit that is for hiking with bag meals.

[@RedswedeOutdoors]

When I first saw the Micro I had some hope that the cup could nest in the Mini but sadly it won't. That would have been an awesome kit for lightweight hikes. Cheers James!

[@jimf1964]

I got the cook set from Austrian army surplus for next to nothing. Then I came across the stand, with the army trangia, and bottle for pretty cheap from a finish company. I love it, but yeah, more for just boilimg….and it didn’t take long at all to boil with the bigger trangia

[@RedswedeOutdoors]

Good find Jim, and it sound like you have the right tool for the job. About boiling time it's really not a bother for me outdoors but since most comparisons online use that as a category I included i in the video. For myself my stand on the matter is that if I'm in a hurry outdoors I'm doing something wrong. Cheers!

[@jimf1964]

@@RedswedeOutdoors Yeah I know eh? Those boil times are useful to know how much power you have, and sometimes the efficiency, but who cares if it takes 2 min or 4? I’ve even seen people brag about how fast their stove will cool too. But it’s all about finding something that fits your needs. My stove is great for certain times, like an over nighter, but I love my firebox stoves (the 4.5 inch, now in titanium, and the nano in steel), and this fit more conventional pots and pans. I picked that cook set up from a limited run at Varusteleka in Finland

[@Indiskret1]

Was on my way to bed, but I must watch this first! Comments will have to be for tomorrow. 😊

[@RedswedeOutdoors]

Sorry, didn't mean to wreck your sleep hours. Catch you tomorrow!

[@Indiskret1]

@@RedswedeOutdoors Nonsense, it was my pleasure! Off to bed now and I hope you get to sleep well too!

[@RedswedeOutdoors]

Thanks!

[@CherokeeTwilight]

Always look forward to your content. Actually the PFM 40 even though it’s stainless is a copy of the aluminum M44 and not the stainless M40.

[@RedswedeOutdoors]

You're right, it's probably the name that confuses me. Cheers!

[@erkkikarvinen1783]

I think this was not a 'superiority test' but a 'feature test'. The other is a war accessory for hard use and treatment. The other is for an occasional need or even a home reserve, in case of a disaster, an extension of the hand in every home, if the electricity goes out. Good testing.

[@RedswedeOutdoors]

You're absolutely right. As a test, one shouldn't take this one too seriously but rather a comparison to see what fits ones style the best. Cheers!

[@ericj.w.ruijssenaars3421]

Excellent comparison! Got the Trangia 28 mini and the 27, the PFM40 and an original Swedish army M40 I found in a thriftstore here in the Netherlands for under €20, with a burner, fuel bottle and postwar windshield. An absolute steal! Save that one as the collectable it is and use the PFM40 as an user. That little Trangia mini is such a joy to use and so compact. Outdoor greetings from the Netherlands 🤠 🇳🇱

[@RedswedeOutdoors]

Thank you Eric. Even if you paid €20 for each of the individual kits it would have been a good deal so you absolutely crushed it. Cheers!

[@DextersLab93]

Great video as always. Jag hade turen att hitta ett genuint kronmärkt M44 för cirka 40kr på loppis, och likaså hittade jag också Trangia Minin på loppis för liknande pris och har använt båda, och älskar båda. Rent generellt håller jag med! För enklare turer där man bara behöver laga lite mat och där vikten behövs hållas nere är Trangia Mini verkligen perfekt! Däremot tycker jag att M44an funkar mycket bättre långsiktigt om man ska på en längre utflyckt. En sak som kan vara värt att nämna gällande versatility med den är att om man vänder vindskyddet på M44an uppochned så går det även att använda som en makeshift wood stove. Med tanke på hur mycket som går att packa i M44an så känns den även relativt kompakt, men väldigt tung i jämförelse med minin. Jag håller dock med att stekpannan på minin är mycket smidigare, formen på M44an är lite jobbigt att inte få saker att brännas i. Men det krävs nog träning, har inte testat så många olika recept än. Det beror helt enkelt på, det är riktigt svårt att välja en favorit mellan dom två tycker jag! Dom är båda utmärkta kokkärl (för mitt syfte iallafall). Fortsätt med videosen! Riktigt bra och informativt

[@RedswedeOutdoors]

Det var två riktigt bra loppisfynd, du har verkligen fått valuta för pengarna. Det hade varit spännande att se hur M40/M44 hade sett ut om Trangia hade designat dem idag... Ha det gott!

[@DextersLab93]

@@RedswedeOutdoors Jo skoja inte! Otroligt tacksam för pengarna jag sparade på dom! Verkligen, hade varit riktigt kul med en modern variant av gamla köken! Glad midsommar!

[@travisp32]

I like that you did this video. I have both kits. Yes they both have their place. I tend to prefer the mini over the m44. It looks like you have the worlds smallest tea pot. Lol. Hi from Idaho!!

[@RedswedeOutdoors]

Thanks Travis. The kettle is a Trangia 27, I tend to take it nowdays on solohikes since it's smaller and lighter than my old one. Cheers!

[@paulmckearney4945]

I'd suggest stability as another category. Both of those seem to have good stability compared some modern cooking systems. I think its an important consideration especially for trips to remote areas. Of those two the M44 must win?

[@RedswedeOutdoors]

Good point Paul. I haven't tried out the difference between them but I find both of them relatively stable since they have the centre of gravity fairly low, specially compared to many gas burner systems as you mention. As long as one doesn't knock them over they should both stay in place quite well. Cheers!

[@razifmahathir2437]

Great comparison. Have had my eye on the M44 for a while but they seem as rare as rocking horse teeth, especially out here in Malaysia, where it's almost impossible to get anything Trangia. I normally go to Trangia direct for my stuff, although I haven't even seen any on the vintage section of Trangia's website either. Keep up the great videos. ATVB

[@RedswedeOutdoors]

To the best of my knowledge Trangia never sold the M40 or M44 to anyone else than the Swedish army, and those that are in circulation are from army surplus. With that said, I've been wrong before... Cheers!

[@razifmahathir2437]

Thanks for the heads up on the M44. Looks like I'll have to make do with my Micro, Mini, 27 Duosol and 25 then 😂.I love my Trangias ❤

[@WaynesGoneWild]

Another good video! Oddly here in Australia the current price for a Pathfinder stainless steel version of the M44 (PFM40) is $85AUS, and the cheapest price for the Trangia Mini is $86AUS. I bought a PFM40 last year, it has been great, it did not come with a burner, but who doesn't have a few of them spare. 😁

[@RedswedeOutdoors]

I agree, that's an odd pricing. I might also have the odd burner laying around in the mancave. Cheers Wayne!

[@ebikecnx7239]

Carbon tax and Phizer surcharge

[@thomasmusso1147]

👍👍👍 Good Morning Red .. Perhaps the M44 is showing it's age in this comparison. I love my Mini 28 .. but one should always show respect for one's Elders 😏. I would very much like to have a M44 Set. Do I need it? No! (but then, that doesn't count, does it? 😁). Also, my budget (and space) is a factor .. although 🤔 .. For those out there who are interested (as a worth-while compromise), I have added (amongst other) to the Mini 28, a 'Quechua MH 100 1.1 L Stainless Steel 1-Person Camping Cookset' from my Decathlon Store in Basel, Switzerland for the Dollar equivalent of $19.99. It comes with a Plastic Bowl and Folding Plastic Spoon, which I have removed for use elsewhere. The Mini 28 in it's Bag, fits snugly into the Quechua Pot .. no rattling whatsoever. For those who wish it upgrade their Mini 28 to something larger, this option is worth consideration. Obviously any suitable pot will do .. but I liked the Quechua Stainless Steel Pot with its locking Lid and Strainer .. and the price. Always a pleasure watching your Posts. I tried the 'Popeyes and Hats' in my Trangia 28 Mini. With a topping of Bacon, Sliced Tomato, Onion and Chilli Sauce .. yum 😋. Thanks for sharing, my Friend, and until next time .. take care ..

[@RedswedeOutdoors]

Tommy, you're such a wealth of knowledge, tips and ideas that I wish you had made a video about this. All the details you've come up with to make a good kit better. Take notes people. Take care my friend!

[@thomasmusso1147]

​@@RedswedeOutdoors Flattery, flattery 🙄 .. always appreciated, thanks 😁. Video's of my attempts / learning curve? Maybe one day. My Media Gear is currently very basic and probably destined to remain so. One viewer once asked me for some detail on a cook set that I had concocted and commented on and supplied her Email Address .. which I duly obliged with photos thereof.

[@RedswedeOutdoors]

Basic camera gear works well enough, the first three years I made my videos on a smartphone that's more than ten years old by now and a tripod for 15 euro. I still use it for my b-shots to this day. Long story short, it's your knowledge that is important your camera is not. I guess you're covered Tommy.

[@thomasmusso1147]

👍

[@jamesmcgee2447]

👍🏻👍🏻 23:15

[@RedswedeOutdoors]

Thanks James! Cheers

[@petemainacc]

I use alcohol stoves all the time and one thing I noticed is that weather conditions will absolutely kill performance. A bit of wind can easily make you spend 3 times mote fuel. You had to ad an extra windshield to the mini. And if it is blowing a bit more, that windshield is going to blow away. I prefer the m44 because its windshield is more reliable and always ready to go, and i can carry stuff inside. It also works well for quick stew like dishes which is what I prefer anyways, I dont care about frying stuff. Truth be told, it boils down to personal preference.

[@RedswedeOutdoors]

You got it absolutely right, it all comes down to ones personal preferences. Even if this particular "competition" was made tounge in cheek, there's no way that I could convince a die hard m44 user to trade it in for a T28 or vice versa. You found the kit that works for you and that's what counts. Cheers!

[@OJ4HIRE]

Breaking News: KZbinr Redswede outdoors deported from Sweden after scavenging showdown of Trangia T28 and M44 where the M44 lost in a landslide. Officials will not comment further on the ousting of Redswede or what country he was deported to 😂

[@RedswedeOutdoors]

LOL, the choice was between a permanent vacation in Antarctica or face a mob with torches and pitchforks... Awesome dig there man. Cheers!

[@thomasmusso1147]

😁 .. Rumour has it that he is building a Long Boat in an abandoned WW2 Submarine Pen and is planning a Vengeful return, armed with the latest Trangia Micro Set ..

[@RedswedeOutdoors]

@thomasmusso1147 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@paulkennedy5021]

I agree with you, but I think you went easy on the M44 by putting it against the 28. IMHO the M44’s real competitor, based on size and weight is the 27. A 27 will beat it in every single area. The M44 is the equivalent of the Trophy Wife. Expensive and nice to own but good for nothing but showing off. Big surprise was that the mini won the boil test! That windshield must be doing something right! 😉

[@RedswedeOutdoors]

I haven't tried the T27 yet, but if it's anything like the T25 it would be a humiliating victory. About the boil test, there wasn't even a breeze that day so no wind shield was required. I think it's more about the new burners being much better than the old. Cheers Paul!

[@SamIAm_The_Motorcycle_Man]

Found my m44 at goodwill (thrift store) 9 usd just gotta get a burner for it should be about 30 usd for bout 40 total unless i find a burner on the cheap

[@RedswedeOutdoors]

If you aren't dead set on having the original burner I would say that the modern "civilian" Trangia would be a better alternative. Burns longer and adds the benefit of the simmer ring. Cheers Sam!

[@SamIAm_The_Motorcycle_Man]

@@RedswedeOutdoors thank you for the advice! I think you're right that seems the all around better option.

[@RedswedeOutdoors]

@@SamIAm_The_Motorcycle_Man You're most welcome Sam!

[@Iljadir]

Hilsninger fra Norge. Jeg undrer på en ting, når det kommer til snuskburken din, lakkerer du den, eventuelt hvilken lakk bruker du? Hilsen fra Kent fra Broderlandet😊

[@RedswedeOutdoors]

Hej Kent! Jag har inte lackat min m44, de färgerna var från början, så jag har tyvärr inga tips på eldfast lack. Cheers!

[@JoonesAdventuresMC]

Torbjörn, torbjörn, torbjörn, now you are out on deep, deep, deep water. You know I’m a big fan of M40, I would even say that the M44 is a replica of the M40. I totally agree with you though, the M40/44 is really over hyped. Interesting compression, even though it’s a little unfair. The M40 should be compared with the 27 or even the 25, cause of the size of the pots. And both the 25 and 27 are way superior to the M40. The largest problem to compare the Mini and the M40 is that it is like comparing your left shoe with your right shoe. Even though they serve the same purpose you need both to be pleased As a little curiosa the M40PF is not a replica of the stainless M40, it is a stainless replica of the aluminium M44.

[@RedswedeOutdoors]

It's always a problem when comparing cook sets that is so different in design an target groups but you could say that this showdown is a bit tounge in cheek and will probably not change the mind of anyone that has a strong opinion on either of the kits. As for comparing with the T25, my benchmark, if any set wins that showdown I will buy it. Cheers!

[@JoonesAdventuresMC]

@@RedswedeOutdoors Totally agree, If only having one Stove the 25 is the winner. And I would say that if another manufacturer would produce a better stove than the 25 it would probably look very much like the 25🤔

[@vatsmith8759]

As a backpacker I prefer the mini but if I were in the military I'd prefer the M44.

[@RedswedeOutdoors]

That's a valid point. Cheers!

[@Magoo652]

A good & honest comparison. I will only add that the inner bowl of a GSI NForm Nesting bowls set fits in the T28 Mini complete with neoprene sleeve & sip it lid. I trimmed that pot support burner holder. I have since replaced the Trangia burner & the useless windscreen with a Vargo Decagon alcohol stove & a Vargo folding mini windscreen. Thank you for sharing 👍

[@RedswedeOutdoors]

Thanks for the tip Sven. Cheers!

[@oxxnarrdflame8865]

Enjoyed the video. I’m thinking the T27 would be a more interesting comparison. For the M44 fanboys, it is a great set, I have the M44 and PMF40. But get real on price and availability. The Ferrari and Maserati are awesome vehicles but hard to come by and prohibitively expensive (like the M40/44) where a Kia is affordable plentiful and ether will get me to the pub.😊

[@RedswedeOutdoors]

I like the analogy with the cars but I would claim that the m44 isn't a Ferrari but rather a Beetle from the 50's. Cheers!

[@P.E.J.]

minin alla dagar i veckan!!

[@RedswedeOutdoors]

Får nog hålla med där. Ha det!

[@Mike-kr9ys]

A thoughtful comparison. Thank you!

[@RedswedeOutdoors]

Thank you Mike. Cheers!