Can You Really Sign Things in a Legally Binding Way By Just Writing a Big X

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Today I Found Out

Today I Found Out

Күн бұрын

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@ZoeKitten84
@ZoeKitten84 6 жыл бұрын
Story I heard a few years back a guy always used a stick figure when he needed to sign for credit card purchases. He lost his credit card one day and reported it to the company. Later the company asked if he changed the way he signed for stuff. Apparently the person who picked up his lost card used it to purchase stuff and wrote the guy’s name from the card in cursive. So they voided all the purchases with his name in cursive
@eminemilly
@eminemilly 6 жыл бұрын
ZoeKitten84 that's awesome
@robertt9342
@robertt9342 6 жыл бұрын
ZoeKitten84 . That's actually pretty clever.
@zappawoman5183
@zappawoman5183 5 жыл бұрын
That's actually very clever. Who would guess that your signature is usually a stick figure?
@Mini_Squatch
@Mini_Squatch 3 жыл бұрын
ive read (online, so take with a big grain of salt) of a sorta similar story - guy drew a little dong for his signatures, except one day where he decided to act like an adult and actually sign his name and so the credit card company called him up to see if it was still him
@ZoeKitten84
@ZoeKitten84 3 жыл бұрын
@Jordan Turner what does that have to do with my comment?
@Lorkdemper
@Lorkdemper 6 жыл бұрын
As a lawyer myself, I have to say this was impressively concise and accurate. This should be used in bar prep courses.
@savagedragon79
@savagedragon79 6 жыл бұрын
What about bird law?
@teemusid
@teemusid 6 жыл бұрын
Are 'bar prep courses' the classes that make their students drink?
@Lorkdemper
@Lorkdemper 6 жыл бұрын
teemusid No. (Yes.)
@StevenLeoKorell
@StevenLeoKorell 5 жыл бұрын
...and landman courses!
@krpkrp3033
@krpkrp3033 4 жыл бұрын
This video is good, but if a person was using this video as prep for the bar, they should ask for a refund from the University where they studied.
@TommoCarroll
@TommoCarroll 6 жыл бұрын
*I now own this channel. Signed by me: X and you: X* Cheers Simon, much appreciated!
@ARSZLB
@ARSZLB 6 жыл бұрын
Aspect Science nice
@spoopytoastxx6241
@spoopytoastxx6241 6 жыл бұрын
Shout out in the next video? Lol
@BothHands1
@BothHands1 6 жыл бұрын
😂
@iflycentral
@iflycentral 6 жыл бұрын
He has to be careful not to love this comment, as that could express agreement! :D
@UpcycleElectronics
@UpcycleElectronics 6 жыл бұрын
Daven will be pissed at Simon for selling his channel.
@ordinosaurs
@ordinosaurs 6 жыл бұрын
This reminds me a story I was told by a notary friend. In defiance of the terms of a will, an heir decided to botch the sharing agreement signed by other members of the family by drawing a cross on the last page. The notary took back the document, circled the "X" and lifted a legalese formula from a XVIIth century document he happened to have had framed and was hanging on his wall (the formula was something like "I, ___, notary, certify the present mark to have been drawn in front of me by ____ etc. etc."). The bitter heir thus left egg-faced.
@maccaj6565
@maccaj6565 6 жыл бұрын
I have cerebral palsy and come from the days when us gimps were segregated from the normals in "special schools" so no one caught Disability... I remember our teachers spending quite a lot of time making sure we could all sign our first names when at all possible (including taping a pen to pupils' hands, etc - really impractical means sometimes!). It wasn't because an X wasn't valid (we were often reassured that it was), but rather because it's easier to forge an X than it is to forge a highly-illegible, obviously-gimpy, but fairly consistent version of "Andrew," "Mary," etc. I was one of the luckier students, in that I could write, and write legibly, but I remain grateful that my generation of disabled people, at least in *that* school, all went into adulthood with the ability to sign our first names... even the folks who literally can't write anything else. As Simon points out, it's becoming an obsolete skill *now*, but in the early/mid-80s, we had no way to know that would happen... it was nice that the staff cared enough to spend time on it. I'm also grateful that my parents fought like hell to get me into a regular mainstream (aka with-ablebodied-students) school fairly early on, but that's another matter.
@jarmo7689
@jarmo7689 6 жыл бұрын
I work as a shelf filler in a store, idk the name in english, but for the past year, I had to sign all incoming freight and packages. I wrote on literally every paper: "kaasplankje". meaning: cheese platter. its day 400 something and still noone has noticed...
@russg1801
@russg1801 6 жыл бұрын
The job is called "stock clerk."
@ronindebeatrice
@ronindebeatrice 6 жыл бұрын
"Stocker"
@alexwang982
@alexwang982 5 жыл бұрын
Pravo jezdy
@danielpratt1970
@danielpratt1970 5 жыл бұрын
You are a true hero.
@bjornsan
@bjornsan 6 жыл бұрын
In Japan and probably China too you can get personalized stamps that you use instead of writing your name. That was even a thing in Europe where you had your signature made into a stamp that you used if you were in a position where you had to sign a lot of document every day.
@catherine_404
@catherine_404 6 жыл бұрын
Björn-Erik Borg, in Russia doctors, and veterinarians too, and probably lots of other people, have their personal stamps and stamp everything they issue. Of course, they also sign important documents with a pen. At least you can read on the stamp who the person who signed or issued a document is (and ask about them later) for doctors' writing is horrible, as always.
@cristianverdugogalaz8725
@cristianverdugogalaz8725 6 жыл бұрын
here on Chile a lot if not most teachers use personalise stamps
@russg1801
@russg1801 6 жыл бұрын
For centuries people used a cast seal pressed into wax.
@jerotoro2021
@jerotoro2021 6 жыл бұрын
I remember my grandpa being worried as his Parkinson's worsened, that he couldn't sign contracts anymore since he lost the motor skill to write. I guess in reality it doesn't matter, since any pen-to-paper scribble would have been sufficient!
@ruki4929
@ruki4929 6 жыл бұрын
I remember my dad telling me a story of how a friend of his had a signature that was a dot and a line. Of course, he could use it, but there was a big fuss about how that could be easily forged, so they greatly suggested him not to do it. he did it anyways.
@Sam_on_YouTube
@Sam_on_YouTube 6 жыл бұрын
Andy Warhol used to sign his name with a picture of a phallus. It was an A on top of a W for his initials, both rounded, to form the relevant anatomy.
@quintenwhyte6660
@quintenwhyte6660 6 жыл бұрын
Sam OMG!!! no wonder Andy Warhol was a dick!
@PrincessNinja007
@PrincessNinja007 6 жыл бұрын
I couldn't find a Warhol example, but I found Crowley's
@perrydowd9285
@perrydowd9285 6 жыл бұрын
I love Warhol. The commercial artist who took on the fine arts & won. He never took a fine arts degree.
@johnchalinder6682
@johnchalinder6682 6 жыл бұрын
Aleister Crowley's signature is also highly suggestive of phallic representation.
@fireflocs
@fireflocs 6 жыл бұрын
What if you sign something by literally writing "I do not agree to this" on the signature line?
@lordgarion514
@lordgarion514 6 жыл бұрын
fireflocs As he said, it's the act of signing that matters, not what you sign. You sign, you agree..... Period.
@roygalaasen
@roygalaasen 6 жыл бұрын
Paul your eyes bleeding?
@roygalaasen
@roygalaasen 6 жыл бұрын
Paul sorry, I couldn’t help it lol
@roygalaasen
@roygalaasen 6 жыл бұрын
Paul true, yet when it comes to telegrams and morse code, they usually say “full stop”
@That_Guy42
@That_Guy42 6 жыл бұрын
C'est pas un pipe
@jaspr1999
@jaspr1999 6 жыл бұрын
The last checking account I opened I asked if they needed me to fill out a signature card and was very surprised that no one had any idea what I was talking about. They ended up asking one of the loan officers about it, I guess because of my complete confusion, and luckily she knew exactly what it was and explained that the bank no longer used them. Another bank I use still uses signature cards, but it seems like they're a dead or dying concept. One thing I hate about getting older is the number of things that are normal to me are obsolete enough to the world of today.
@lordgarion514
@lordgarion514 6 жыл бұрын
jaspr1999 Signature cards were out of date when they came out. No bank actually used them. Just took too much time.
@jaspr1999
@jaspr1999 6 жыл бұрын
Robert Pruitt, - I don't doubt it. It was a pretty focused on thing in the 70's and 80's though. I just got used to it and I hadn't opened a new checking account since then.
@lordgarion514
@lordgarion514 6 жыл бұрын
jaspr1999 Yeah, I was told flat out they don't check them by the federal person I had to talk to after my ex stole a check and cashed it at the bank for $400. She didn't even try to copy my signature.
@jaspr1999
@jaspr1999 6 жыл бұрын
yaggyplantationproductions, - I can't fault them for trying to cover their bases on security... Still, most of it I'm very behind the times on. I really apprecaite the information!
@perrydowd9285
@perrydowd9285 6 жыл бұрын
I'm like you. I feel like a dinosaur sometimes. I'm just waiting for the day some shop assistant replies to me, "What's cash?"
@Jack-rp6zy
@Jack-rp6zy 6 жыл бұрын
My ancestor fought in the American revolution and because he was illiterate he signed his pension papers with a big "X". Pretty cool that you can still see the document in state archives.
@martijnellenbroek6448
@martijnellenbroek6448 6 жыл бұрын
I work at a renting company, and we always make a "contract" with every customer, and once someone just outlined his hand with the pen 😂😂🤣🤣 (in Dutch it's called a "handtekening" which means handdrawing)
@Frexuz
@Frexuz 6 жыл бұрын
Banks often compare signatures with previous ones. I had to re-sign once when I started using my new signature.
@pierreuntel1970
@pierreuntel1970 6 жыл бұрын
Gonna change my signature to a unicorn holding a machine gun now, thanks Simon!
@michaelwinter742
@michaelwinter742 6 жыл бұрын
SandPox I have a friend who draws a whale with three little bubbles floating up as their signature.
@EcoMouseChannel
@EcoMouseChannel 6 жыл бұрын
There's thousands of Whale Signatures, for some odd reason. It must have been part of a comedian's routine, or something on TV for the idea of the whale, specifically, to be one's signature even out of jest.
@richmondculp8401
@richmondculp8401 6 жыл бұрын
This whole video and no mention of Prince changing his name to a symbol.
@joshts00
@joshts00 6 жыл бұрын
Richmond Culp but they have previously made an entire video about that basically
@MistahBryan
@MistahBryan 6 жыл бұрын
I've signed with "Donald Duck" a few times no repercussions at all.
@stackflow343
@stackflow343 6 жыл бұрын
many times I like to draw a cat face or japanese ideogram for general debit card transactions. I wouldn't say, do that for like a legal document, but for general transactions it's amusing.
@perrydowd9285
@perrydowd9285 6 жыл бұрын
stackfl0w I love cats!
@sampatterson8986
@sampatterson8986 6 жыл бұрын
What if your name is just "X" though?
@TheLoganm289
@TheLoganm289 6 жыл бұрын
Sam Patterson x gonna give to ya.
@CAv-lp2qk
@CAv-lp2qk 6 жыл бұрын
Gen X Dakota What!!
@Sam_on_YouTube
@Sam_on_YouTube 6 жыл бұрын
Like Malcolm?
@CAv-lp2qk
@CAv-lp2qk 6 жыл бұрын
He gon give it to ya
@lyulf0
@lyulf0 6 жыл бұрын
My name is pronounced Alexander cage, a.k.a zander cage, its spelled "X, X, X" my parents were lazy filling out the form so my initials are xXx I was thinking of making a movie about how bad ass i am... but then i thought it would be hard to search for on the internet... so i did it anyway and now no one can find my movie without combing through a ton of other things that are NSFW.
@UpcycleElectronics
@UpcycleElectronics 6 жыл бұрын
1:27 that's it...changing my signature...
@Jim-ie6uf
@Jim-ie6uf 5 жыл бұрын
Many years ago as a lender in a bank, I had a few borrowers who could only make an “X”. We noted it as “His” mark, with two witnesses. Not a single one of them ever defaulted.
@afh7689
@afh7689 6 жыл бұрын
One instance where a matching signature is very important is for absentee voting ballots...at least in Florida but probably other US jurisdictions as well. For those that don't know, a voter can request an absentee ballot to vote, which is mailed to their registered address. You vote and then put the ballot inside an envelope and then have to sign across the seem. When it reaches the supervisor of elections office, all absentee ballots are processed by a canvassing board with the signature compared to the signature on file (when you registered to vote, or updated your signature). If it doesn't match, the envelope won't be opened and so the ballot won't be counted in the election.
@gizmogoose.2486
@gizmogoose.2486 6 жыл бұрын
If someone gets you cornered in whatever manner, you can create a method for later litigation purposes, with a "TDC" after your name, indicating that you signed it under _Threat, Duress, and Coercion._ Signing in Liquid Blue Ink is also helpful in establishing that the signature is not a photocopy.
@DadSkool
@DadSkool 6 жыл бұрын
My signature is an ineligible scribble that i cannot repeat twice in a row, even on the same contract. im 40 and nobody has ever said anything or caused me problems. not even the bank who pretend to go check it bc if they did it my scribble now wouldn't match from 20 minute ago let alone 20 years ago. I think tptb should stop wasting our time with this. For this reason, the backs of my cards are not signed. I was once asked for my signature and i said, are you serious, let me sign the back of my card first. They said dont worry and honored the purchase. To defraud by forging a signature these days is a definite ticket to jail so nobody is dumb enough and those who are must be prepared to do the time bc you will be caught 100%
@russg1801
@russg1801 6 жыл бұрын
Not "ineligible." ILLEGIBLE!
@MmeHyraelle
@MmeHyraelle 5 жыл бұрын
I never have the same signature either.
@Iamso4u
@Iamso4u 6 жыл бұрын
I write “see ID” on the signature line of my credit card. Even still, I am rarely asked to show my ID when utilizing it with a cashier. So much is done yourself at the touch pad these days and it never leaves the purchasers hand. So I’m interested to watch your upcoming video about why that space on the back of the card is even a thing anymore.
@KiomonDuck
@KiomonDuck 6 жыл бұрын
If they can make a 5 minute video of Simon whistling then my life will be complete.
@BlissfullWulf
@BlissfullWulf 6 жыл бұрын
Only five minutes?
@MerrillHartman
@MerrillHartman 6 жыл бұрын
MY life will be complete when I hear Metallica sing "'C' is for Cookie", usually sung by The Cookie Monster... or the theme song from The Partridge Family
@AzraelThanatos
@AzraelThanatos 6 жыл бұрын
The amusing thing is that there are now issues with the electronic pens used for signatures. One thing that has been semi-common among people who start having issues with their hands/wrists that would make a clear signature impossible is to take a copy of theirs from when they could and have a stamp of it made. That no longer works with several of the things and creates a mess...
@FishFind3000
@FishFind3000 6 жыл бұрын
I write “check id” on my cards every 1/100 times it’s used they actually check.
@viroman4459
@viroman4459 6 жыл бұрын
To answer that question from the standpoint of a non common law legal system - yes you can, the Croatian civil obligations act calls it a "handsign" (litteral translation). It's only supposed to be used by people who can't read or write, and any contract signed in such a way needs to be verified by a notary public. You can also create a last will by signing a premade text that has been read to you with a big fat X, however the last will needs to be signed by two more witnesses.
@4k8t
@4k8t 6 жыл бұрын
This actually gives me some assurance about how to sign screens and such since I normally try to use my "payroll signature" and that might not fit if I am not careful and it can be awkward to write on a screen. I certainly gave a lot more weight to how I sign than to the fact that I did sign. This was helpful.
@cougarhunter33
@cougarhunter33 6 жыл бұрын
In my genealogy work, I have come across instances where things were signed via an X due to illiteracy. Next to it, there is generally a notation saying "Her mark."
@Bra-a-ains
@Bra-a-ains 6 жыл бұрын
Lots of questions about what happens if you sign, "I do not consent." You are making a counter offer. Therefore, the other party need not fulfill their part. For example, let's say you have to sign for a package and you write, "I do not consent" or "under duress." In both cases, the deliveryman is not allowed to negotiate new terms of delivery with you, so they simply take the package back with them. I wish I could draw. Even my stick figures are embarrassing. Sigh . . .
@7890klop
@7890klop 6 жыл бұрын
In times past some wealthy men used signet rings to "mark their mark" on legal documents. A man would press the ring into something like an ink pad and then press the ring on the document to make a particular mark that he identified with. Others would mark a document with the first letter of their name instead of an "X".
@fiver4ever
@fiver4ever 4 жыл бұрын
I'm going to start signing Rusty Shackleford. XD
@TS_Mind_Swept
@TS_Mind_Swept 6 жыл бұрын
I’ve been signing my actual name like an absolute looser all this time, thanks to this video, I now now all I have to do is scribble a little bit and it’ll be fine. Dangit simon, where were you 20 years ago?!
@darkashtar
@darkashtar 6 жыл бұрын
Maybe what I'll start doing is signing with an X while humming the theme of the 90s X Men cartoon theme lol
@p_mouse8676
@p_mouse8676 6 жыл бұрын
I find signatures such a weird thing anno 2018 with everything digitally and going through the internet. Especially since people are so paranoia about safety, while something as basic as a signature can easily be copied or abused.
@lordgarion514
@lordgarion514 6 жыл бұрын
Piet Muijs You realize of course that it is the internet that makes the massive increase in identity theft possible right? Much easier to steal identities online than in person.
@dkcsx006
@dkcsx006 6 жыл бұрын
I always sign official documents with a smiley face... Never had an issue anywhere. :)
@bradlevantis913
@bradlevantis913 Жыл бұрын
With the ending of cursive writing this is important. And I actually remember the signature boxes that used to be stored at the bank
@aardvark1956
@aardvark1956 4 жыл бұрын
Still laughing about the rocket powered unicorns with machine guns for teeth.😂
@uzomaohajekwe7149
@uzomaohajekwe7149 6 жыл бұрын
I actually wanted to know why sign here lines begin with an x.
@cristianverdugogalaz8725
@cristianverdugogalaz8725 6 жыл бұрын
the x marks the spot
@briansammond7801
@briansammond7801 5 жыл бұрын
The X is actually a Greek Chi, which is the first letter in Christ. By signing at the X, you are attesting before Christ as your witness. I thought that this was well known. It is also why Christmas is abbreviated as Xmas.
@bigpeenerpeen
@bigpeenerpeen 5 жыл бұрын
Brian Sammond okay mate. You just fucking blew my mind
@snakedad
@snakedad 6 жыл бұрын
I've always just drawn a flower when signing things.
@PhoebeN222
@PhoebeN222 5 жыл бұрын
My great uncle has several patents in his name signed with an X. He was a mechanical genius that helped revolutionize the sewing machines that make shoes, and he was also fully illiterate. 🤷🏼‍♀️
@stephaniehight2771
@stephaniehight2771 6 жыл бұрын
The ridiculous nature of signature identification was brought home to me at a store. I paid with a credit card, which was unsigned on the back. The clerk said she couldn't take the card as such, so I signed the card right there, then signed the receipt, and she COMPARED THE TWO SIGNATURES!!! Hilarious.
@annettemartin766
@annettemartin766 6 жыл бұрын
Correct again...I do it as I cannot write nor print my name correctly anymore.
@kataseiko
@kataseiko 5 жыл бұрын
In most countries in Europe the signature has to be placed by hand, so it can be an X or your initials, but not a stamp. An electronic signature is allowed with the "something you have, something you know" principle. PIN/TAN for example.
@Ryarios
@Ryarios 5 жыл бұрын
Many years ago, I went to renew the license of the car I drove. It was in my father’s name. He forgot to sign the renewal card and I thought I was stuck. I asked the clerk what would happen if I signed my father’s name and she told me; we won’t prosecute you if he doesn’t...
@CraterM
@CraterM 6 жыл бұрын
Only problem I have come across with signing whatever you want is that you will usually have to explain to the person who is getting you to sign that it's the intent to sign, not what the signature looks like that matters. Of course they will often times still not believe it so the best way is to just lie and say it is your real signature.
@baruchben-david4196
@baruchben-david4196 6 жыл бұрын
Yes. There would be a huge problem trying to define a signature, while forbidden a single letter. When I worked in a bank, one customer always followed his name with a smiley face. He explained that if there was a signature lacking the face, it would be a fake.
@cpljimmyneutron
@cpljimmyneutron 4 жыл бұрын
Side note... I live in the state of California... it is actually illegal in CA to require someone to sign their credit card.
@49metal
@49metal 6 жыл бұрын
Electronic signatures are generally only enforceable via special statutes that provide so. But for such legislation, under the plain language of the UCC section cited an email signature would *not* be a valid signature. Moreover, the good old manual signature is and will remain for the coming decades, the standard way of expressing assent to be bound by a legal instrument or SoF compliant contract.
@TheRonnierate
@TheRonnierate 6 жыл бұрын
There is an exception. Any medical documents. You can simply write ‘I do not agree’. This has held up in courts when asked to submit to arbitration or waive your rights to seek justice in a court by trial! ‘ I Don’t Agree’ is also acceptable!
@wholeNwon
@wholeNwon 6 жыл бұрын
Citations please?
@diogoscf
@diogoscf 6 жыл бұрын
I’m Portuguese and in Portugal, each person must have a signature that is displayed in our ID card. I’m not sure if you must sign all documents with this signature, but all government paperwork must be signed with that signature. This signature, however, can be anything, as long as you always use the same (you can only change it when you renew your ID, every five years)
@SuperShiki666
@SuperShiki666 6 жыл бұрын
Well in law school they taught me, consent can be given in various ways a simple yes answer or a handshake is already considered consent, making a contract legally binding. The problem occurs when the contract needs to be proven or enforced, this is why things are written down. This however does not mean verbal contracts aren't enforceable, evidence such as witness testimony and circumstancial evidence can be used to prove the contracts existence.
@HebaruSan
@HebaruSan 6 жыл бұрын
So it definitely counted when my dog signed all those Christmas cards! 🐾🐾🐾
@bencheevers6693
@bencheevers6693 6 жыл бұрын
Without watching the answer is yes, it doesn't have anything to do with what characters you use to sign your name, a paper contract is only a physical representation of the intangible concept of a contract which exists when both parties agree to terms with consideration on each side. The contract is formed at the point where a meeting of the minds takes place so both people know the exact terms of a contract and then agree to them, a handshake works too. In this case, the X just signifies that you agree and it can be proven that you understood the terms as they were written out on a paper that you indicated your agreement for.
@canadiandee6342
@canadiandee6342 4 жыл бұрын
My dad always signs notes to us as “Me” I caught him signing a school note like that. Had to convince him to change it so they wouldn’t accuse me of just signing “me”
@monad_tcp
@monad_tcp 5 жыл бұрын
As a software developer I can say that on some credit card systems then don't even check the name when you buy things over the internet, you only need CC number and CVV pin and expiry. I was sending null in the name for years to some card API and no one noticed.
@alexjenkins1079
@alexjenkins1079 6 жыл бұрын
Perhaps we should have to use a registered stamp, like a Japanese Hanko, or something like that.
@StaticImage
@StaticImage 6 жыл бұрын
Even a long time ago, I used to sign for credit card purchases by drawing a little house with a happy family around it, Garfield (it's worth noting that I am probably the single worst drawer on earth), with the name Mickey Mouse, "Totally not the owner of this card", so on. Nobody ever said a thing. It wasn't even fun after a while
@foobar1500
@foobar1500 4 жыл бұрын
Legally binding contracts can have another problem: if the contract is written in a language that the participant doesn't understand in sufficient detail it may be that a company offering services, such as an insurance company might just refuse to provide the service as the contract would be essentially unenforceable. To my understanding this is not that rare problem for expats...
@fbboisclair
@fbboisclair 6 жыл бұрын
You should have a talk with Nathan Tardif from Noodler's ink. He creates ink in the warden series, we can track to the exact bottle use. Each bottle does have slight deviations in the chemical composition.
@maccaj6565
@maccaj6565 6 жыл бұрын
Fountain pen lovers ftw! I already have enough Noodler's to sink a battleship, but I keep buying more. I'm not all that worried about fraud (can't remember the last time I wrote a check, and I sign important legal documents about once a year these days) but I do like that lots of his inks are traceable and permanent.
@isaiahdobesh5109
@isaiahdobesh5109 6 жыл бұрын
I might just sign papers with a coffee mug now. Just put a little coffee on the rim and set it down.
@WolfJustWolf
@WolfJustWolf 6 жыл бұрын
thanks for this info. I will be signing all my documents with an "anatomically correct phallus" from now on.
@wholeNwon
@wholeNwon 6 жыл бұрын
Tell them that the page isn't big enough for your signature.
@syrmo
@syrmo 6 жыл бұрын
I've been signing "HELP ME!!" at Walmart for years and never been questioned about it.
@mancavegamingandgardening9901
@mancavegamingandgardening9901 6 жыл бұрын
Oh John Hargrave, I was not expecting a master of comedy to be referenced in this video! He was finally stopped on his shopping spree when he tried buying 3 $75,000 display walls from Best Buy using the signature 'not valid'
@realazduffman
@realazduffman 6 жыл бұрын
In my job I research 1800s era documents. I regularly find deeds that were recorded with the signature noted "her X mark" indicating that someone could not read and write. 99% of the time it is the wife or some female heir of a wealthy land owner. But it is notarized and there are usually notes that the person notarizing examined the person to verify they understood what they were signing.
@StopChangingUsernamesYouTube
@StopChangingUsernamesYouTube 6 жыл бұрын
CSB: I used to work with someone who signed everything with a (simple) drawing of a pine tree. Meanwhile, you can't cash a check at a Wally World unless it matches what's on your ID/DL, so if you plan to draw horses everywhere, plan that out in advance.
@steampunk888
@steampunk888 6 жыл бұрын
The question is one of authentication. If the purported signer denies the authenticity of the signature, it is better as a matter of proof if it is possible for an adverse party to prove the authenticity of the mark, and better still if it can also be shown that the mark was willfully and freely made without misrepresentation or undue influence by the person seeking to enforce the signature, or his agents.
@genobreaker1054
@genobreaker1054 5 жыл бұрын
So, what if you write "No" or "I refuse"?
@bettygreenhansen
@bettygreenhansen 4 жыл бұрын
I wish I had chosen an X with 4 embedded crosses. No specific reason.
@FormerRuling
@FormerRuling 6 жыл бұрын
Speaking of credit and debit cards. I'm almost 31 yr old and have never, not even once, ever signed the back of my cards and have never been questioned about it at a store lol. I've even went to pick up supplies for the office and paid with several different cards in different people's names (signing each receipt with my name) and no cashier has ever questioned me on it.
@perrydowd9285
@perrydowd9285 6 жыл бұрын
In my teens l took to signing my Civil Service time sheets with a joke name. When after 5 months my manager asked my why l was doing it l told him l wanted to see if anyone would notice. He said, "Yeah, that's why l kept putting them up." He said we've proven our point now. No-one ever checks. I went back to signing my name.
@kesselster
@kesselster 6 жыл бұрын
Graduating law student here. In a word, yes, you can be bound by a mere "X." However, this turns on if you intended such a letter to be your signature. A written contract need only be executed; the complexity of the execution is immaterial.
@Carewolf
@Carewolf 6 жыл бұрын
You can sign a contract verbally. It is just that most businesses don't accept it because the documentation is weak.
@they6789
@they6789 5 жыл бұрын
I think this video just single handedly inspired a lot of people to use drawings for signatures... This should be interesting...
@Kunori
@Kunori 5 жыл бұрын
What if you signed the contract with "I have been coerced into signing this", perhaps in a different language?
@nikolamarkovic6427
@nikolamarkovic6427 4 жыл бұрын
Very interesting, every day I learn something new
@shadowdagger2
@shadowdagger2 6 жыл бұрын
Let me be clear. I work at a bank and we check an ENTIRE year worth of signatures just to make sure nothing is shady plus we also look at the transaction history to see if it's consistent. If it doesn't meet our criteria we put a hold on it until the other bank can verify the funds are accurate
@rageshot4382
@rageshot4382 5 жыл бұрын
The telegraph one is like if the courts decided anything you text is legally binding
@connordavidwhite
@connordavidwhite 6 жыл бұрын
You do not need to sign anything to enter into a Contract. You just need: 1. An offer; 2. An agreement; 3. Consideration; and 4. An intention to enter into a legally binding agreement. Hence why you don’t sign anything when you purchase items from a shop. (Exclusions apply!)
@wholeNwon
@wholeNwon 6 жыл бұрын
And one must have attained legal age.
@StevenLeoKorell
@StevenLeoKorell 5 жыл бұрын
I missed a flight from Berlin to New York and at one point had to sign my name, over and over, till it matched my passport before they'd put me on another flight. I'm also in a line of work where I deal almost solely with contracts and what Simon says is correct... just curious what my ordeal was in Berlin?
@DerykRobosson
@DerykRobosson 6 жыл бұрын
The state's driver's license holds an X for the signature. Other times I'll sign, "Without Prejudice X". I also never sign the property of the banks.
@JohnTrevick
@JohnTrevick 6 жыл бұрын
At a company I used to work at an employee was forced to sign a document before leaving. They signed it and added the word "unread", apparently previously advised by a lawyer. I guess this would go towards coercion if they needed to oppose the document.
@darkpixel1128
@darkpixel1128 6 жыл бұрын
are they allowed to do that, what if they just left without saying anything
@JohnTrevick
@JohnTrevick 6 жыл бұрын
In this case he was a director of the company and was being pushed out. I don't know the details but it was a pretty tense meeting. I've heard of similar stories with just regular employees being forced to sign non disclosure/non compete forms or not be allowed leave. They were kept for many hours until they broke down. I just always remember when this happened because if I was in the same situation I'd try the same thing. Or, until I saw this video, I'd have signed something like "Mickey Mouse"
@darkpixel1128
@darkpixel1128 6 жыл бұрын
ah i think i heard some japanese employers try that "boredom room" thing to get people to quit
@sebbes333
@sebbes333 6 жыл бұрын
Could it work by first writing (with inc) outside the marked area something like: "I have been forced to sign this document that I don't agree with" & only then sign it for real?
@JohnTrevick
@JohnTrevick 6 жыл бұрын
That's sort of what I'm wondering after having watched the video. If anything you write (even a false name) counts as you accepting the terms and the only way out of it would be to prove you were coerced, is there something that you can write to turn the tables on them? I know that he was told beforehand by a lawyer to write this if something fishy came up. I guess in the end it would come down to fighting it out with lawyers and possibly court which is always big bucks. I wonder if that trick would be good enough? and I hope I never have to find out :)
@walsakaluk1584
@walsakaluk1584 4 жыл бұрын
A recent legal obligation required me to sign a multiple of times. I apologized to my lawyer that my signature varied slightly each time. She told me that non varying signatures are and can be an indication of practiced forgery. Variation is natural. Also my signature doesn't fit on the space provided on the back of cards and some forms. The size of a signature is a unique identifier too. I hate miniaturizing my signature. Some authorities have practice proformas with a window printed on it to practice signature miniaturization. I like a thumb print personally.
@grandhorn
@grandhorn 5 жыл бұрын
a few years ago, while getting some work done on my car, I mentioned to the guy who I signed my car's details over to just how inaccurate those scan guns are for signatures, and he told me of a friend who, whenever she needs to sign on one of those things, she just blanks out the entire screen, for shits and giggles
@PeterVC
@PeterVC 6 жыл бұрын
what I find annoying about the signature on the back of cards is the material you have to write on. For some reason, you can never find a pen that can write on it decently. Usually your signature is something that you write quickly and you cannot apply much force so you can hardly see it. But if you do it slowly and with more force, it's legible but looks less like your actual signature because you have to write it slower... but in most cases those things aren't very writable with an ordinary pen...
@tomslade6027
@tomslade6027 6 жыл бұрын
This channel kicks ass
@matthewellisor5835
@matthewellisor5835 5 жыл бұрын
My coffee excited my nose at "...ultra-detailed drawing of an anatomically-correct phallus."
@JaceCavacini
@JaceCavacini 6 жыл бұрын
I would like to know if an EULA is legally binding. Has this been tested in courts of law? When? Where?
@kovko69
@kovko69 6 жыл бұрын
What if you sign with the word "VOID"?
@Yurinsm
@Yurinsm 6 жыл бұрын
Not in Brazil. Here you have to sign the same way you signed in your documents or the cards registered in the public notary office. However you could register anything in a public notary card or sign any name on your official documents.
@MrXTREME808
@MrXTREME808 6 жыл бұрын
I have an idea for a video: Why are there 30 days in some months and 31 in others and why does February have the least amount of days. Love you videos btw! Very informative and through.
@wholeNwon
@wholeNwon 6 жыл бұрын
Fewest. Google is your friend.
@hazevthewolf178
@hazevthewolf178 6 жыл бұрын
I'm at 4:28 and I already have something to say about this video. I used to pal around with a totally blind man and occasionally, I'd help him write a cheque. He told me to sign the cheque with his name, so his name, my scrawl. Fast forward to 2018. I pick up prescribed drugs for my Mom, including an opioid. The pharmacy wants my signature in some electronic device. Lately, I've been signing for Mom's stuff by writing my first name in block capitals, BART, as millenials supposedly do since cursive writing is no longer taught in school. X
@wholeNwon
@wholeNwon 6 жыл бұрын
Guess spelling isn't either.
@InaChair
@InaChair 6 жыл бұрын
I hired a lawyer with an X while holding a pen in my teeth, 3 days after breaking my neck in a car accident. That was 15 years ago.
@PulseChainBrowser
@PulseChainBrowser 6 жыл бұрын
Uniform commercial code only applies to the sale of goods, not including real estate. And isn't actually a law, its adopted in each state so you would have to review the legal language for the particular state your in.
@KristenRowenPliske
@KristenRowenPliske 6 жыл бұрын
Nurses (and doctors, I'm sure) learn this is acceptable when getting a patient's written consent for a procedure. Whether the person can write or not (or even write neatly & legibly-think an elderly person with Parkinson's or who's had a stroke) isn't the issue. It matters whether the patient: understands the pros & cons of said procedure; pros & cons of refusing it and that the doctor has explained everything to the patient's satisfaction. It also matters that the patient is of sound mind; those with severe dementia or otherwise mentally impaired or underage require a legal proxy. For us though, we're not allowed to acquire signatures when the patient is under the influence of drugs or alcohol or whatever.
@wholeNwon
@wholeNwon 6 жыл бұрын
Yup! And "have you had an opportunity to ask questions?" "Were those questions answered?"
@Catlord98765
@Catlord98765 5 жыл бұрын
In Canada you can sing with X, but you are required to have witnesses to do so.
@Chilukar
@Chilukar 6 жыл бұрын
Out of pure curiosity it would be great to see a video on people who are/were highly numerate but illiterate.
@gray007nl
@gray007nl 6 жыл бұрын
I assume that would be primarily people who have impaired vision, rather than true illiterates.
@perrydowd9285
@perrydowd9285 6 жыл бұрын
I'm told it's more common than you'd think.
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