Bain Family Murders | Was David Bain Innocent?

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[@anonymousstrangeness7348]

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[@evas99]

Kiwi here. The vast majority of the country would agree with you. I'm in Dunedin, I've actually never met anyone who believes in David's innocence.

[@munngoman7851]

"David had trouble finding a job... mostly due to the murder part."

[@TheAccidentalViking]

Mostly because his formal secondary education was interrupted by his family being killed.

[@munngoman7851]

@@TheAccidentalViking Reminds me of the old saw about the young man who's convicted of murdering his parents and pleads for leniency on account that he's an orphan.

[@TheAccidentalViking]

@@munngoman7851 but his conviction was overturned. So. Move on.

[@Mehki227]

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[@kristin_NZ]

@@TheAccidentalViking David was into the TERtiary phase of his education. But he did poorly at Uni.

[@gloriaelmore9092]

I'm amazed he ran out of nearly 1,000,000 bucks! Loved the running cadaver joke; well delivered as always! Also. I appreciated your comments regarding the associative phrasing he used.

[@johnnyutah6056]

Maybe not so hard in NZ, but yeahit is pretty funny!

[@jlim003]

When you say ran out, you mean broke? I couldn't see anything on google. Just that he was paid out in 2016.

[@camogrrl]

Possibly borrowed legal fees took up some of the compensation

[@chad3232132]

I can only speak for the U.S. In this country, large wrongful conviction settlements are almost always disclosed publicly. This is good for transparency, but it also exposes people who are awarded a large sum of money to potential scams. In many instances, the person end up with a massive sum of money after being imprisoned for decades. The person has little to no concept of the value of money as they have not handled finances in so long. As such, they frequently fall victim to scammers or fraudulent investments. Not sayin this is the case here, but it is a thing.

[@sarahgupton2552]

People thought because a celebrity, someone they admired, like David was innocent, he must be. Sort of like when someone is rich, people think he’s a good businessman.

[@deborahprosper751]

@Sarah Gupton Spot on!

[@Pinkcouture111]

Yes 👍 just what I believe, he was a good businessman he made money out of David

[@hamishcatto9097]

Nah not that many people here actually believe he was innocent

[@BellaLeoLicorice]

@@hamishcatto9097 He managed to convince the jury at the retrial. That retrial was a fiasco - some jurors went down to Dunedin during a weekend. one had Karam's book and asked him to sign it and as for the jury hugging David and going to the party afterwards... Totally inappropriate and they should have called a mistrial.

[@BellaLeoLicorice]

Karam's biggest joke - Robin had no blood on his clothes because he changed them to meet his maker.

[@DogsChickensPeacock]

I knew the pathologist who did the autopsy on this family. There is no way Robin Bain could hold that rifle and shoot himself in the head

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[@laur131306]

I watched a deep dive into this case and was stunned when not only the conviction was overturned but they PAID him. Jurors are wild 😫🤣

[@davidbain6898]

id dive deep into your box with the coin they paid me and it would be wild

[@formidablity]

I don’t usually comment, but I loved this video! I live in NZ and attended the second trial as a member of the public. I have a degree in Criminal Justice and after going through the case countless times believe that David is guilty. There appeared to be significant Police failure in this case which likely also resulted in his not guilty verdict.

[@Nikitaxo24]

Same. He totally did it. Got a huge pay out for murdering his family. Don't know how he lives with himself.

[@anna-rosephipps3132]

I don't know how he lives with himself either. He can't be in a dissociative trance 24/7. There's no question this was a messed up family. I can identify with the confusion of this type of dysfunction.

[@marniejohnston5106]

Wow! That is absolutely fascinating that you experienced this personally. I too believe he is guilty. He seemed so obviously calculating.

[@formidablity]

@@foxinsocks7531 I totally agree! Even though I personally believe he is guilty in reality, there was reasonable doubt. If only Police hadn’t botched some of the investigation/evidence and the house wasn’t burnt down it may have been more clear either way.

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He is 100% guilty. Incompetent policing ultimately set him free. Absolute disgrace.

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[@katdux4439]

Thanks for covering this. It's still up for debate here in NZ even though he was realased

[@jaredquinn2632]

David did it.

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[@karobythell4425]

This was a subject in my neck of the woods, NZ . So glad to see you covering this .

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[@thebtchthathikes1008]

Uh that's NOT funny because he is losing his family. A lot of you 🧑‍🦰 are going to be seeing dirt clouds very soon.

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[@AtomSmash3r]

New Zealander here. Yes Bain is guilty as sin! I would be interested in Dr Grande’s opinion on another controversial NZ murder. The Scott Watson case.

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[@rogerpattube]

...and the Crewes

[@sylversyrfer6894]

Arthur Allan Thomas please

[@dprcontracting6299]

I love your sense of humour Todd. I was in Dunedin when this happened - it was huge news (we get very few murders like this in NZ). Robin's brother (ie David's uncle) was also in the Air Force with me. He was convinced that David was guilty and said all the family were (mind you, it was his brother vs his nephew). The house was burned down by the locals after the killings. Joe Karam (the said ex-rugby player crusader) received $424 000 from the Government Legal Services for his part in the campaign so he ended up pretty well compensated. People must understand that rugby is NZ's national religion so for such a celebrity to endorse someone is pretty powerful.

[@niamh3610]

The house was burned down by the police, not the locals. The locals were getting sick of all the people surrounding the house and requested the property get burnt down by the police to stop it.

[@bingonamo7520]

@@niamh3610 Yes and it's quite common worldwide for houses with notorious murders to be burned down, as certainly no one wants to buy them. Also Joe Karam spent over 1 million dollars on this case, so the money he got back was less than half of what he spent.

[@somejimmydude2121]

@@bingonamo7520 The old Crewe house is still there. I drive passed it sometimes in my travels. I've also met a few of the Thomas's, not intentionally but just as a local (years ago)

[@kiwikarm2005]

How many Kiwis watching this channel?🇳🇿👏👏 Yah…he’s guilty and wasn’t he the Best man for another low-life? Thanks for presenting this one Dr Grande.

[@blengi]

David's prison mate and groomsman Paul Wilson was a murderer, who subsequently went on to murder for a second time after the wedding. Birds of a feather....

[@kiwikarm2005]

@@blengi Cheers, that’s right. Couldn’t remember exactly how that went. Thanks for clarifying.

[@blengi]

@@kiwikarm2005 No problemo, you brought up an interesting detail from David's post prison life, which tends to undermine perceptions of him character-wise, which people should be aware of.

[@mh1066]

@@blengi Where do I find this info?

[@kiwilassie]

@@blengi My son knows a guy who was a cellmate of Bain's in the latter years. In his words "He did it for sure!"

[@sonnyday6830]

I have always known David was guilty, the police made too many mistakes.

[@adelecovus7482]

It's seems so obvious the son did it. Infuriating he got released and paid.

[@BrickNewton]

The police didn't do a very good job at collecting evidence if I remember correctly

[@camogrrl]

@@BrickNewton all the evidence that’s could prove one way or another beyond reasonable doubt was destroyed or went missing. They burned the house to the ground on day 10. Smh

[@Nicoletta222contessa.castle]

Never trust a guy with bad jumpers

[@calstonjew]

Scot Watson is guilty too, trust me.

[@wumbo8892]

David Bain absolutely committed those murders. He had discussed sexually assaulting a young woman that he saw out running and mentioned to a friend that he could use his paper route as an alibi. This information was not presented to the jury, as it was not directly relevant to the case. There is speculation that the jurors in the second trial were outward supporters of Baine. He is still living in New Zealand. His wife is a teacher at a primary school in my home town.

[@BellaLeoLicorice]

She isn't working there anymore.

[@jared8038]

You are right, there is footage of one of the jurors in the 2nd trial hugging him afterwards and then walking over to the other supporters.

[@nealkelly9757]

What kind of woman would marry this person??

[@BellaLeoLicorice]

@@nealkelly9757 her mother was one of his supporters - convinced he was innocent. She took her daughter along to jail visits.

[@BellaLeoLicorice]

She is at a school in Cambridge

[@mr0iz0]

There’s a podcast by ‘Stuff’ here in NZ that covers this in detail. Looks up ‘Black Hands’. Lots of holes in the defense!

[@jared8038]

Yes, it was brilliant. I'm convinced he's guilty after listening to that.

[@katieaviss543]

I loved that podcast. As a kid I seriously thought he was innocent after watching a documentary that recreated both theories. But later on after his release and especially after that podcast I definitely believe he was guilty.

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i find it interesting how someone can be considered 'half guilty'. by that i mean - if theres some evidence that makes him guilty, but some evidence which makes it looks like hes not guilty - then its not like hes only 50% guilty. its like - you only have 5 cakes out of 10 cakes in your locker. ok, you still stole cakes and go to jail.

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Oh he's %100 guilty, my mate was in jail with him 😬

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It's hard to think of anything more New Zealand than a rugby player coming to someone's rescue.

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A rugby player with a pet kiwi bird 🥝

[@camogrrl]

Joe wanted attention- no one remembered his scant few games in a barely mediocre rugby career in context of the many many greats who dominate NZ rugby history.

[@TheAccidentalViking]

@@camogrrl Joe was quietly living his life, running a few businesses. He sold a great deal to spend time trying to figure out what happened. I was working with Joe just before he left to do this.

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If he was wearing red band gumboots it would be classic

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[@girlbythebeach]

Finally! I've been hoping for your views on this one! Also, kudos on your pronunciations! Verra nice!

[@BellaLeoLicorice]

His best man at the wedding was a fellow killer he met in prison. In 2019 he admitted he had raped and murdered another woman and is back in jail.

[@teney1351]

Damnnnnnnn wtf 😬 If you were really innocent and a "good quiet guy" you wouldn't bond with a Rapist and murderder in my opinion.. But David had expressed his desires to rape a woman before he killed his entire family so yeah, makes sense 🤦‍♀️😪

[@leximari]

This family was very dysfunctional and it has always seemed as if they all hated Robin. I can’t help but feel bad about that. I do feel like David committed this murder.

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@@ritwikkhurana3124 Eeeew. Keep it in your pants.

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@@sixthsenseamelia4695 how does opening my pants come in the equation here? 😅

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More flirting!!

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Dr. Grande, it would be great if you could cover the story of Chris Chan and talk about their recent arrest.

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Jesus Christ thats gonna be a weird one

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Yup

[@msmongooseable]

This reminds me so strongly of the White House Farm Murders, right down to the obsessed amateurs getting involved with the likely murderer. Dr Grande, would you look at the case of Jeremy Bamber?

[@tyreseforren6721]

I was thinking the exact same thing

[@10AntsTapDancing]

You are right about Joe Karam not understanding the case. He 'believed' David had been wrongly convicted and focused on the emotional idea of an innocent man in jail. Two things you missed were that Robin Bain had a full bladder at autopsy and unlikely he could have run around killing his family without peeing his pants and that David was a member of the local amateur acting group. His call to the police was unconvincing too. Finally it was a joke in NZ that he should have gone to prison for his fashion choices alone. Good summary Dr Grande, I thought he did it too and that family was very dysfunctional.

[@mattd7571]

David apparently had a fit or seizure of some kind when the police arrived and we're going around the house, the medic on the scene at the time (ie with no knowledge of the circumstances or any preconceived ideas of his, or anyone else's innocence or guilt) noted that he thought David was faking it. Apparently it is hard to fake a seizure because your body parts all move in a completely random manner, whereas if you're faking it you will generally move your body parts back and forth in whatever direction. Along with everything else, when I heard that I was pretty convinced of his guilt. Innocent people don't fake seizures after their family has been murdered. As others have noted, the police botched the investigation which ultimately allowed him to wriggle free.

[@lloydrobert6182]

"Running cadavers"!!! Holy moly, there goes my peace of mind! Dr. Grande does it again!

[@pepe6666]

this is new zealand's OJ simpson. the footage of him wearing that jersey outside dunedin jail was on the news so much that it became famous itself. people would go to Halloween dressed as david bain in the jersey. if you type 'david bain' into google the search suggestion says 'jersey'

[@teney1351]

Straight up, we actually call them David bain jumpers now 😬 guilty of owning two myself haha

[@gypsy2268]

You got it!!! I’m a New Zealander, This is still so upsetting! he’s out!! Not guilty doesn’t mean he is innocent. He is one troubled & Guilty Man. (In my opinion) Sorry just edited typo 😆

[@niamh3610]

He was on my flight to raro in 2013. After we landed I asked him if he did it and he gave me the most evil glare. Safe to say I felt nothing but bad vibes from that man, and that encounter I had with him confirmed he was guilty.

[@gypsy2268]

100% 👍

[@Rubinmebs]

I followed this case closely and another interesting factor was, Robyn Bain had a full bladder when he died. Usually people that commit murder get a bit nervous and would probably go to the toilet prior. David Bain also put on quite an act when he was escorted into an ambulance that morning, however, his heart rate never increased. Also, David Bain was known to have had surgery and as he was coming out of the anaesthetic he was reported to have said did I say anything?… Did I say I did it? After compensation was paid and the case was closed. David Bain, and Jo Carrum went immediately to pick up the 22 rifle/murder weapon as all evidence was released by the crown. Why on earth would you want to souvenir the murder weapon? If you were just paid out. Nearly $1 million.???

[@Mr2pint]

I think most the second jury were part of the David Bain fan club, hence hugging him. A mass murderer walks free and collects a million dollars 🤯

[@TheAccidentalViking]

You think that's how jury selection works? Good luck with your legal career.

[@katiehagan2066]

Definitely not people from the jury have cove forward and said they believe he is guilty but it wasn't proven without reasonable doubt

[@KingSlayer_.]

​@@TheAccidentalVikingDavid Bains prosectutors weren't aware they were straight-up supporters of David during the jury selection, otherwise they would have chosen someone else.

[@lindseyhudson1274]

Thank you for explaining both sides of every case. I also like the dry humor inserted in these types of cases. It’s interesting to watch these because I’m not familiar with a lot of them so it’s easy to follow along and try to guess whether you think they did it or not.

[@tonka9573]

In case you wanna watch an extended video on this, look up Matt Orchard - Crime and Society. All his videos are great.

[@BenchReviews]

I like the continuity and structure of your videos Doc.

[@rejaneoliveira5019]

Intelligent analysis as usual. Now moving over to your podcast, I have been waiting to watch the new upload the entire day! 😕 Btw, jurors not paying attention to the evidence and one of them sleeping?!🤔 I am sorry but I find that unacceptable at so many levels. Thank you for all that you do Dr. Grande.❤️

[@theborderline3616]

A sleeping juror is cause for this 😬

[@stevefrench2303]

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[@natekeyes2297]

Regardless of the guilt or innocence of this particular person, what kind of justice system allows a person who was found guilty of murdering his whole family to be eligible for parole in 16 years? How can this be considered justice? Other countries have very lenient justice systems even for people who have committed terrible crimes. In Canada, Paul Bernardo has already been "eligible for parole" in 2008 and 2018, and had parole hearings. It is considered very unlikely that he will ever be released. But what kind of country grants even the possibility of parole to a rapist (he was identified as the "Scarborough Rapist" who had raped many women before he turned to murder), and someone who tortured, raped and murdered three girls?

[@rogerpattube]

That's nothing. It used to be 14 years for murder in NZ. With good behaviour out in ten. Check out Rufus Junior Marsh. Given only SEVEN years for kicking to death an elderly man in 1974. Out in 1983 he immediately got two years for attempted rape. On release in 1985 six months' 'periodic detention' for aggravated robbery. Then in 1986 a mere ONE year's jail for another aggravated robbery. November 1986 murdered Justice Department clerk Diane Miller, 32, in her Mt Victoria home. Sentenced to 'life imprisonment', he became eligible for parole in 1997 i.e. after just over TEN years. Fortunately he was not released due to public pressure and he died in jail 2010.

[@UsurpersAndAssassins]

I remember when this happened. It shocked the whole country. Personally, I think he's guilty as hell.

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[@sandralibeau4795]

I was told by a Dunedin Educational Psychologist that Robin Bain was profoundly depressed so the Group Special Education section of the Ministry of Education were so worried they were keeping an eye on him. I also bumped into Laniet's boyfriend. If the jury had heard the disturbing things he said, I don't think he'd have been set free.

[@Jo-xj2bb]

I remember this like it was yesterday....for a second I thought my elder brother had lost his mind as my Family home was on Sheil Hill, directly behind the Bain residence! Such a tragedy 😢

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Glad to see so many of my fellow kiwi on here enjoying Dr Grande Dunedin is my hometown always seemed that everyone in NZ but the jury thought he was guilty

[@rogerpattube]

And Joe Karam. 🙂

[@cassandrasuzannelalonde4758]

799 K Rock and Roll. I ve watched you since 450k, and I will watch...for a long time

[@alexandrawordsworth9639]

There is a good podcast analysing the family and the lead up to these murders, as well as a New Zealand drama, I also read Karam's book. It appears that relationships in the family were odd; kids did all the housework due to mother's mental state and not all of the kids got on with her. David and his mother had a close relationship and he believed some of her weird religious ideas. David was trying to be the man of the house and get family members on board with the development for the property, as robin more absent with depression. It was also mentioned that David was controlling over his sister laniet. A friend of mine was David's science lab partner at university, and he mentioned he was odd. He said he failed his science paper and had a meltdown. The friend later saw him (6 months later) and noted he was stranger and didn't mention plans for the future, Bain discussed possibly doing music. A friend of my friends went to the Bain house and mentioned the family was odd and the house was a pig sty. From reading, doco, drama and friend I reckon he did not cope with stress. Living in an odd family not knowing what to do and being odd himself I think a switch flicked with the reveal at dinner from his sister. I reckon he did black out what he did, so thinks he did not do it. I think Davids's wife should be wary not to stress him and go down the religious path like his mother.

[@danieladeutsch1708]

Ujiii! Warm congratulations to 800k, dear doctor! You are amazing! Mazel Tov!

[@melissaockey1346]

Can i just say, when david was pardoned and given a massive payout. He requested the gun that killed his family. This request was granted. Think of that what you will

[@richardmcgrath9729]

That's not good... it's like a serial killer collecting knickers or bra's...

[@KingSlayer_.]

It's certainly strange.. if he is guilty, it's obvious he would want it as a trophy.

[@user-ru4iq3ss9m]

@@KingSlayer_.how could someone live with themselves if they did that let alone want to see the gun

[@mcd5478]

OMG! 799k subscribers! I’m patiently awaiting your 800k subscriber milestone video. Would love a Bella Grande update. 💖😇🙏🏼

[@F-rem]

Congratulations on reaching 800k subs!!

[@axeman2988]

Hay from Australia, great content mate keep it up I've learnt a lot about mental health since I've discovered your chanel 🙂😎

[@eltonbaloyi7991]

I can tell Dr Grande has knowledge about guns or perhaps a gun enthusiast😊

[@Fedorevsky]

I heard he shoots wild roaming cacti in his garden

[@LDiamondz]

@@Fedorevsky Yeah, the ones who escape from his shelf!

[@bthomson]

Ouch! I almost cried at the "time out" for the little cactus! You guys are making me want to be overly protective! Consider me standing in front saying "Over my dead body!" A bit too over the top?

[@SarahDunlap]

Dr Grande, can you review the effects on the Capitol Police officers who responded to Jan 6th and now four who have committed suicide?

[@noahhoney7063]

The most inculpatory piece of evidence for me personally that entirely exonnerates Robin from being the potential killer is that there was a green towel found in the bathroom with mass amounts of Robin's blood. How does that logically work if Robin was to be the killer? If so, Robin would have to kill himself and then mop up his own blood.

[@dprcontracting6299]

Todd, would you consider analyzing the Christchurch Civic Creche case that occurred in Christchurch, New Zealand in 1991 and 1992? This case was the subject of a book by Lynley Hood called 'A City Possessed: The Christchurch Civic Creche Case'. You might find it interesting as there was significant criticism of some members of your profession in the aftermath of this case. I lived in Christchurch at the time and I agree that many people - including the Police - temporarily lost their critical faculties. Hood compares what happened with the Slalem witch trial in 1878.

[@alimar0604]

Dr Grande! You started in your pink shirt then suddenly switched to your checked shirt. You are a magician 🇬🇧

[@Jaksi-a]

Congrats on the 800k doc.

[@sherris.2402]

Speaking of the wealthy athlete involving himself and changing the outcome in a case that he really didn't understand. I think these types of things happen fairly frequently in our world. A lot of people try to influence what they don't understand.

[@TheGrmany69]

You are a step away from becoming a fascist.

[@TheAccidentalViking]

Joe wasn't that wealthy. Ruby players in NZ were barely paid and most had other jobs like lawyers or businessmen in Joe's day. They used to call him 'Joe the Clock' because he sold watches on the side as a day job. I worked with him for a short time in the '90s. He sold assets so he could find a way to defend David. The forensics evidence was messed up and mishandled and the police botched the case because of it. Their case was based on speculation because they found the family 'weird' and 'eccentric'.

[@pepe6666]

@@TheAccidentalViking those are interesting points - but they are not indicative of innocence. or guilt for that matter. but as grande says theres some enormous things that dont disappear - ya dont 'weigh them up against' other evidence.

[@TheAccidentalViking]

@@pepe6666 This case reminded me of how they jailed that woman in Australia for 'ritualistically' killing her baby when nothing of the sort happened. They convicted her because they thought she was 'weird' and she didn't react 'normally'.

[@mh1066]

@@TheAccidentalViking Mind sharing her name?

[@denofcool]

I would love to see a video on Karl Pilkington, especially in his days early on with Ricky Gervais and his podcast

[@Pinkcouture111]

Omg thank you thank you, I have be wanting to see what you think of David. I believe he is guilty after years of following this case. There is so much evidence against David. David had called for the family meeting that night. David had talked to a friend about something bad going to happen a few days before and fantasised of singing at family funerals, he believed he was a gifted singer

[@zappababe8577]

You can't say of a father abusing his daughter that they "were in a sexual relationship". That implies that it was consensual. That type of sexual contact will ALWAYS be abusive. There is no escaping the fact that the father is in a place of authority over his children and that type of sexual contact is ALWAYS abusive.

[@lauriemueller2004]

I was watching about serial killers at the same time I was working with u HG. Narc. Det I knew the answer before I got your tape. I laughed at myself. I was so devastated I ended in 3 Ers and 10 day stint on psych floor. First at 57 years old. My son, my sis, my brother. I will be the winner for life.

[@Autumn_Forest_]

What in the actual hell? How was that jury so moronic? And I thought the OJ jury was stupid.

[@markethrubesova]

Well, these videos are simply immaculate.

[@deebaptista9907]

Every video during Dr. Grande's introduction, I am taking inventory of all the cacti. 🙂

[@bthomson]

If you're like me you can actually feel yourself take stock of the whole background and the wardrobe choice before you tune into the very interesting case! We are HOOKED!

[@lauraarcher3025]

I LOVE YOUR HUMOR!

[@PaganGrace]

Didn’t you release a podcast after midnight this morning and now a video this afternoon? Burning the candle at both ends yet still sharp as a tack. Very impressive!!

[@AnimalsMatterMorally]

Oh my God, HOW HOW HOW did David Bain actually get acquitted for murdering his whole family???? 😲😲😲

[@kristin_NZ]

because the public of NZ were browbeaten and scammed into re-trying him. first trail, guilty as charged.

[@HeidiHWang]

Dr. Grande, i enjoy your show. Can you analyze the famous Dr Death ? I saw the documentary but there is no WHY this men botched that many patients.

[@theresar4617]

Congratulations on hitting 800 thousand of us!

[@schellichook]

There is a very good podcast about this called "Black Hands"

[@nalanz4805]

Yes listened to it very good

[@Pinkcouture111]

Yes and I was made into a TV drama recently

[@kristin_NZ]

@@Pinkcouture111 and a book

[@jamiehoover9348]

800k doc , congrats !!!!!!!!😎✌🏻🔥🥂🍾yesss!!

[@blengi]

A nice clean objective summary/analysis, and nailed from my point of view the most reasonable conclusion that David was the perpetrator. It's a shame many New Zealanders and media don't have your clarity to see through David and Joe Karam's essentially smoke and mirrors defense strategies - Cheers

[@teney1351]

Bold of you to assume.. I'd say about %90 of us know that he did it hence why he had to leave the country but it's not like the majority of us had the choice in the outcome of the second trial 😕

[@katiehagan2066]

@@teney1351 yes I would agree with that even alot if the jury believed he did it but they couldn't say it was beyond any reasonable doubt as it's very hard to imagine someone murdering their family without anyone giving a motive

[@kristin_NZ]

@@teney1351 well he lives outside Cambridge NZ now. stay at home Dad.

[@lisas8244]

@@kristin_NZ It amazes me that there is always a woman out there willing to put aside all reason, logic and facts to marry a cold blooded murderer and have his children. What happens when he tires of her and being a stay at home dad?

[@RogerSmith-us6dk]

One thing that puzzles me Dr Grande is if David is guilty how can he go on living a perfectly well adjusted married life with a family and keep it all to himself without any signs of psychosis or letting slip to his closest evidence of his guilt either deliberately or subconsciously after committing such a heinous act. Is that possible?

[@finchyfrost9167]

Can you imagine Dr certified Grande at a party. What would the feeling be like?

[@ToasterStud]

So he not only got away with murder, he also got paid for it.

[@zenawarrior7442]

Another great one...thanks Dr G😊💙💙

[@valleygirl2530]

Dr. G. You could make a 30 min. video on a case like this and I’d pay attention - I might sneak a look at the cacti which I habitually ignore.

[@BrickNewton]

Hello from New Zealand I was a teenager when this happened and remember it vividly. So many unanswered questions, but still feel like David did it. Also google David Bain Jerseys. Hes got some stunners in his wardrobe.

[@rubievasek4437]

Hi Dr Grande, I am a subscriber from Australia. Thank you so much for your content, I really enjoy it. I was wondering if you might consider doing a video on Bradley Murdoch, or Martin Bryant (or both)? Thanks again and congrats on 800 k subs :)

[@markharrison6498]

He definitely seems guilty