JonBenet Ramsey Murder | Ransom Note Analysis | Mental Health & Personality

[@CarrinRenee]

The one thing that never set right with me was they didn’t search their own house. If your child is not in the house where she is suppose to be wouldn’t you turn your house upside down looking for her.

[@Themystergamerr]

I know right? My 6 year old finds it funny to hide from me sometimes and I check every room twice, thrice if need be till I find him

[@JB-js4xi]

You would....unless you believed the fake ransom note you wrote yourself that she had been taken. That was their cover to NOT search

[@JB-js4xi]

@@lindamon5101 Yes......they wanted to send the police on an out of home search so they could have time to move the body.....on a boat or private plane.....or whatever. The whole reason for the "ransome" was to divert the search

[@Hana.Behl-Lecter]

jb b if they wanted to move her out wouldn't they have just waited to call the police though?

[@UltimateNinja-fe6yh]

@@JB-js4xi wrong. The intruder was caught 2m down the road months after jbr murder. This lil girls mom caught him so he fled. Lookup 14yr old assaulted after jbr

[@kellyteacherforlife7165]

What I NEVER understood about this case (I lived in Denver at the time and the Ramsey family members were well known in the "social circuit" in Boulder) was WHY IN THE HELL were her parents not immediately separated and QUESTIONED separately to compare their stories. This should have been done immediately. The Boulder police totally screwed this case up from day one. They were known at the time as being very corrupt. Boulder was called "Disneyland" because of all the crimes that went unprosecuted. It was such a tragic case and we will NEVER know what actually happened. No justice for that poor baby girl.

[@ggmenino3994]

In high society even police can be bought

[@TiffMcGiff]

It’s obviously just a grammatical error.

[@hiskey907]

Im still holding out hope that somehow God will let it be known

[@B-ch6uk]

At first, the police thought it was a kidnapping not a murder. Why would they separate the parents?

[@susanbennett8991]

The cops didn't know what to do and they made HUGE mistakes.They admit that.

[@cometclear]

That "ransom" note is the single most ridiculous piece of evidence I have seen in true crime. An intruder did not write that note.

[@donnakoval4769]

I remember so vividly at that time thinking that there was just no way that a stranger wrote that ransom letter. It was SO LONG and sounded like a random note from a movie. It actually is worded like something from a movie. The family, the mom and dad knew exactly what happenned to her.

[@fernfreeman1729]

The intruder(s) were likely in the house for hours waiting, therefore he or they had a lot of time on their hands so it's not surprising the letter was long. We are talking about very sick individual here, so common sense can't always be applied in any analysis. It's someone that knew them and the young msn who killed himself shortly after is your killer.

[@deidrecoday1269]

@@fernfreeman1729 good point.

[@fernfreeman1729]

@@deidrecoday1269 The guy who killed himself even had a similar flashlight with the one left on the kitchen counter, the Ramsay's didnt, plus his family has refused to allow LE to get a sample for his DNA.

[@MeadeSkeltonMusic]

Yes they did.

[@loschekell]

I read that note three times. It's highly contrived and strident. Its tone matches the mother's bombastic conversational style in her interviews. The mother wrote the note.

[@kevinc809]

Way to use that good southern common sense of yours Brian.

[@sandra177]

ABSOLUTELY AGREE ❤

[@debraharrison-hl9cz]

Brian Ritchey It has never been proven the mother wrote the note and until it has been proven don't make assumptions about who did write it. And I have read that note 3 hundred and 33 times.

[@randolphtimm6031]

Interestingly enough, only a half dozen of the 46 alphabet characters in the 1400 character note approach Patsy's identifiers. Comes to mind "a" (Patsy has three of these which are context dependent, not positional), perhaps "w", I want to say "D" or "d" (I'm doing this from memory and it's been some months), possibly "S" and "s" (but not consistent). Rather than individual letters, a more telling sign are descenders. Patsy used two 'q's. One, as in 'quite', is formed by making a 'c' and then the reversed descent of a 'g', with complete overlap of the final descender (full loop). The second cinsists of making a descending 's', followed by closing the gap at the top to form the upper closed portion of the 'q'. These are unique enough to be indicators. Pay close attention to the "l"s (that's lower case"L") and "y"s. The first in the ransom note invariably has a crook in it, making the "l" look like a lightening ⚡ in the Ransom note. Patsy never makes "l"s like that. Doubt if she's capable. Another noticable difference is the "y" which invariably has a hook up to the right at the bottom of the descender in the ransom note. Patsy's never do this. Again, nothing like Patsy's. Probably 90% of the note characters don't come close to Patsy's. Cina said 200 similarities or something like that. Out of 1400 characters. However, she was not presented absolute exemplars and actually analyzed a couple hundred different documents from various sources to select a most likely exemplar or set of exemplars. They supposedly came from Patsy, but the samples that I saw definitely did not. Probably JB's 😂😂. Patsy definitely did not write the note. Police took a ton of VHS out of the houses and I'll bet not one of the movies quoted in the ransom note were in the bunch.

[@VelveteenRabbit77]

EXACTLY!! Admonishing him to be rested. I would believe a murder by stranger, if not for the note.

[@ET_Bermuda]

What stood out to me in the ransom note was when the author wrote, "Use that good Southern common sense of yours....." There's no way a foreign faction would've written that.

[@Nan-Elle]

lol, and no one calls their group a "small foreign faction". Oh, we're just a small little group, and if you're reading this in America, we are foreigners. lol

[@sheiladavis2451]

A woman says that

[@jguenther3049]

Obviously a typo. The writer meant to say, "foreign fiction."

[@darkhorse9472]

John Ramsey wasn't even from the south...means the intruder didn't know John Ramsey personally.

[@jguenther3049]

@@darkhorse9472 Or it was a deliberate error to remove suspicion from someone he did know.

[@missroxanne7123]

The father shouldn’t have been told to search the house. And everyone but the police and family should have been told to leave. The police should have been searching the house. Nuts.

[@misfitbrit1989]

Yeah that was a hella botched police investigation! It's asinine how bad that was.

[@misfitbrit1989]

@Jenny clark A thousand percent agree. That poor baby...wonder if we'll ever know what happened that night.

[@kimmyhawk5612]

The cops did a shitty job. JonBenet was killed by her father or one of the neighbors because she fought with them because they were going to rape her AGAIN!!!!

[@misfitbrit1989]

@@kimmyhawk5612 her body didn't show signs of much a struggle like bruises. Thus, leads one to think it was someone she trusted. It's all so sad.

[@rubymcclain5078]

True. The police shuda kept everyone in the same room until the house was throughly searched. What a foul up.

[@skyhawk_4526]

I'm a police officer (and someone old enough to remember this case as a young adult - I was 20 when it happened) and I agree with the commenters that the Boulder Police screwed this up very badly. As soon as they got on scene, they should have gotten everyone out of the house, secured the perimeter, and obtained a search warrant. Period. This process should have been explained to the parents in a straight-forward and non-accusatory way, but none the less, it should have happened despite any objections on their part. It's absurd that the police allowed John Ramsey to re-enter the house unaccompanied. I even knew this at the time it happened as a 20 year old rather minimally trained security policeman in the Air Force. I was shocked that actual homicide detectives could make such terrible blunders.

[@lbu9542]

Thank you for your service. I hope one day this tragedy will be solved.

[@franwebb7756]

On purpose. Paid off or otherwise compromised.

[@naokisan07]

Thanks for sharing your knowledge, officer! I've always thought that this cause would be solved a great group of people like you with previous knowledge and experience all from different points of view: A lawyer, a police officer, a former judge and a district attorney.

[@maryannebphillips9124]

An FBI profiler doesn't believe the Ramseys are involved and a profile of a suspect stated that he or she might commit suicide and that is what happened. One suspect did kill himself. The FBI believes 3 people are involved in this tragedy.

[@renee1961]

Thank You for your Service. Stay Safe.

[@jammetmalibu]

The fact that her body wasn't found before it was is the craziest part, I would have torn my house apart. Police didn't search well enough for certain, why? They were out of their depth? Too concerned with offending the Wealthy Ramseys?

[@mariec.albuquerque6446]

No one can say anything based on that. They thought anything, except that the girl would be dead in the basement when it was a circumstance in which they thought they were dealing with a possible kidnapping. The basement was probably out of her reach so that she or her brother wouldn't go in there unsupervised. It's even more complicated because in JonBenet's pajamas unknown DNA was found and not compatible with anyone in the house.

[@sj9410]

Well because they thought it was a kidnapping

[@csc8697]

We had a murder/ suicide next door to us in FL. The police never even went around the outside of the house. Where the body was. Helicopters called, dogs, massive 2 hour search...wasting tons of taxpayer $. Pls do the obvious first!

[@sciencenotstigma9534]

@@mariec.albuquerque6446It is well known that it could be touch DNA from a factory worker who handled her clothing. I mean it was touch DNA. That can be from anyone who has ever been in contact with an item or article.

[@karenr.martin756]

Can DNA be transferred purposely by one of the family members by being out somewhere and maybe have gloves on and intentionally take a napkin or something and place it where someone else could get their DNA on it and then one of the family members take that napkin and transfer the DNA to JonBenet's body to throw investigators off with the idea of a intruder?

[@rondag3569]

The ransom note alone screams ridiculous cover-up

[@darkhorse9472]

There's no evidence to support your statement that the ransom note was a 'cover-up".

[@stubaker2574]

It shoulda been the "smoking gun" error by the writer..wasn't no need for it..a pro sure wouldn't done it..she/he thought it would distance the whole family from having part in the death(accidental)

[@chiley3221]

Ronda G patsy wrote the note look at a paper of hers and compare it

[@darkhorse9472]

@Tabernacle of David DNA eliminated the Ramseys. What don't you understand about DNA?

[@sydnitheromantictaylor112]

Agreed. I always thought the parents covered it up to protect their son. I've always believed her brother killed her by accident.

[@hippiedachshunds1632]

The ransom note has always struck me as being rather theatrical. Almost like a ransom note in a murder mystery game.

[@GinevraStyle]

Hippie Dachshunds I agree. It was very theatrical. But think about it. The alleged intruder wanted to mock the family and fantasized the murder. It was never a ransom note. The girl was never going to survive. It was to throw them off. To make them suffer.

[@GinevraStyle]

Hippie Dachshunds people who think it is a family member just do not understand that this note contains the profile of the killer. And that profile does not match any of the family members.

[@judyholiday1794]

Exactly, Ginevra Style this was never an actual kidnapping..The person or persons that did this was out for blood and I believe that John Ramsey had done something in his past that caused this to happen..He probably doesn't even know who or why but I agree this was all staged fro many different reasons..

[@GinevraStyle]

@@judyholiday1794 I have watched a documentary that will challenge this idea. It is really a good documentary. Here's the link: www.dailymotion.com/video/x1xanjr

[@GinevraStyle]

@@judyholiday1794 There is nothing in John's history suggesting violent behavior. So that is only speculation. There is no evidence supporting it.

[@tinajo1816]

I'm glad you brought up the point that the Ramsey's were not concerned when the ransom deadline passed without a call. This is one of my key points for the Ramsey's being involved. I cannot think of a logical reason you would not be freaked that the kidnappers did not call unless you knew there was no kidnapping.

[@thegameplayer1693]

It was the wrong day is all Don’t point to guilt

[@AApr1374Jo1881]

& they left Burke upstairs all alone. Why didn't they get him up & ask him son are you ok ? Did you see or hear anything last night ? Why were they not afraid the intruders might still be hiding in the house ? I know I'd have my other child right downstairs with me.

[@terrikuykendall7580]

I’d be waiting by the phone for sure

[@anarchsnark]

They weren't worried when the deadline passed. They were also told to not contact anyone, police or anyone, but they called friends and family to show up. Even if you call the police, if you believe you're being watched, you don't call over the entire neighborhood.

[@debraharrison-hl9cz]

@@terrikuykendall7580 They were waiting by the phone. John was instructed to ask to speak to JonBenet when the call came. Every time the phone rang Patsy collapsed as if someone punched her in the stomach.

[@peternesbitt]

One thing that stood out for me was when the 911 operator told the police that Patsy was hysterical on her initial call but when she hung up the phone she did it improperly and the operator could hear their conversation. They were talking very calmly and it seems like her hysterics were a ruse to mislead the police. Patsy wrote the note, faked the call and almost certainly knows what actually happened.

[@stephentresca3536]

Very interesting.

[@maxwellsdemon10]

We have the recorded call. You can listen to it. Some people belive they can hear voices afterwards, but I certainly can only hear static noise that could be anything...

[@Biggerbetterboulder1]

Yes! She was hysterical but it stopped when she thought she hung up the phone! Even if we’ll never know what was said in the background, but it sounds like normal conversation, not panicked or hysterical like Patsy JUST was.

[@Biggerbetterboulder1]

@@maxwellsdemon10Yes but if Patsy was really upset you would hear her wailing taper off into the distance. Or hear her yell to John somewhere since you don’t hear him upset near by on the phone. Not instantly stop. Keep in mind, her only daughter has been “kidnapped”. I would think in that situation the man would call because he has a better chance of being more level headed and less hysterical. The father would be better at relaying important information, even when upset. That’s just a moment where a husband and father would take charge

[@maxwellsdemon10]

@@Biggerbetterboulder1 I think extrapolating from the behaviour of people in extreme situations is almost always bad. People act weird in stressful situations and some innocent people just act like the most guilty motherfuckers around.

[@TheSterlingArcher16]

An intruder waltzes into the house to partake in a diligently premeditated kidnapping, but decides not to bring a ransom note and instead take their sweet time writing one once they’ve already broken in using the family’s own paper and pen which they wouldn’t even know would be there. Then the perpetrator manages to get to Jon Benet & murder her without alerting anyone in the home, only to then leave the body behind, forfeiting the ransom. If you believe that for a second you’re a loon.

[@MissJensk1]

YEP! That''s the common sense conclusion imo.

[@MissJensk1]

Exactly.

[@SumCommonSense]

And the perpetrator hangs out writing practice drafts of the note in the house before they leave the body behind.

[@Whimzical_Talons]

100% agree!!!

[@MissJensk1]

@kyleklemm20Who is this woman?

[@1badcat760]

The fact that has made up my mind is the fact that the detective had to tell both John and patsy that 10 am had passed. Parents who knew their daughter was already dead would not realize what time it was but parents that thought their daughter was kidnapped and still alive would have both been glued to the telephone from 9 to 11. Shame on those parents.

[@vickijohnson9704]

They were probably too much in shock.

[@seaglasscolor]

Same here. Very telling that 10:00 am came and went, with no call from the kidnappers, and the Ramseys had totally forgotten about that part of the ransom note. For me, it is like a smoking gun of sorts.

[@Kraftpunk1983vc]

@@vickijohnson9704 or they killed their kid

[@tlcetc4506]

I think, IF they weren't involved, they were intelligent enough to discern that the note was a farce, just like everyone else.

[@joeng4057]

That's an excellent point 👏

[@deniece0821]

I just love Dr. Grande’s dry sense of humor and subtle sarcasm. 😆

[@elizabethecarlisle1045]

Right ??!!! These are the best!

[@jaydenogiamien6655]

same he is so shady i love it lol

[@folksin42]

I didn't know the Ramseys had an open window(s) to allow for one or more extension cords for outside Christmas lights. I wonder where this information comes from.

[@1badjesus]

lol 👍

[@amylynngriffith]

Feel bad laughing during this analysis but you’re commentary on the ransom note was hilarious. But you’re right! It was the kindest and well written ransom note I’ve ever heard of. Great thoughts on this case.

[@Adelicows]

I'm sure the note is fake, but the reasons given are not proof of it being fake by any means. This guy (and nearly everyone in the comments) has obviously never studied the psychological behavior of criminals. Sociopaths and psychopaths in particular USUALLY ARE perfectly calm and collected at the scene of a crime. Guilty people also very commonly try to stage a different crime to throw the cops off, not realizing how ridiculous their fake crime looks. I could go on and on. This whole video is absurd and this guy comes across as remarkably arrogant.

[@deena7155]

​@@Adelicowsthat's what makes him so great. His arrogance although I don't believe he is just comes across that way but he's not.

[@laurastrobel718]

"Customer survey" had me chuckling So much in plain sight in this case The most glaring point is that John Ramsey went to the basement. Thanks for covering this You brought clarity to it

[@texasgigi3684]

Who doesn’t look the house over, top to bottom, when they discover their child is missing from their bed? I would’ve turned my house upside down and continued to do so....

[@Alfakkin]

true, it's an obvious and instinctive behaviour...it looks like they knew already where the body was, I mean the body and not the child...

[@stormylyn217]

@@Alfakkin they knew exactly what happened

[@marilyncarter5700]

Texas Gigi , I would have too!! I would have gotten everyone up and had everyone including Burke , to be looking for my child..

[@darkhorse9472]

First of all, this isn't about you. You have no idea how you would react in that situation. And, JonBenet wasn't just 'missing', the note said she was kidnapped. John & Patsy quickly checked her room and Burke's room. Patsy then IMMEDIATELY called 911. Nothing wrong with that! You do know the Ramsey home was huge, over 7,000 s/f and 4 floors, right? Just to put that into perspective, there were 8 bathrooms alone in their home. DNA from an unknown male left on JonBenet's body eliminated the Ramseys as suspects over a decade ago. Boulder Police Dept. has cleared them, and they continue to search for the perp, as it is an open and ongoing investigation. All scientific evidence points to an intruder and away from the Ramseys. You can't change science. Science doesn't lie, but trolls on YT certainly do.

[@marilyncarter5700]

DARK HORSE , a natural reaction is to check your home, no matter how many floors there are.. here’s the kicker, they didn’t get any money! Nor was there a call from the kidnapper. And just bc the Ramsey’s were cleared doesn’t mean they weren’t involved.. yeah they checked her room , ... I do know how I would react .. bc my children mean everything to me and I wouldn’t stop looking to make sure all unturned stone s have looked at.. I know I wouldn’t just wait! When she was in the house that night.. ppl who don’t have children wouldn’t know how they would react.. that Ransom letter , 3 pages was to throw off suspension.. no kidnapper , will right a letter, and be all formal about it.. they would get to the point and the point is about money.. which they didn’t receive.. your right This isn’t about me it’s about JonBent and she deserves justice.. the killer needs held accountable.. and I happen to care, about her and other children .. she didn’t deserve this, and it’s funny that the killer quickly knew what room she was in , since the house was 4 levels... there’s new technology out every yr , so it’s about time for a fresh look at this case and should be looked at from scratch!!!!

[@shannonmayer18]

Yes, usually burglars want to get in and out of the house quickly. They usually wouldn't sit down and write a long note.

[@janchapman3746]

I guess the cops got paid off. One down two to go. Still here. One pf the two or patsy did it. Patsy passed away of cancer. She was quiet. But she knows who did it. The two left knows who killed jb. One. Or the other knows. Everything is. A set up. Staged for the murder. The whole case is a set up. Lets all pray for jonbenet. All two of them will meet jesus. He is the judge and jury. John and burke will dearly suffer. The conciquences. The guilty one is still alive. Hey burke. You surely know something to. Now who did it. Did you get a pay check to from daddy to stay quiet. Or loose your life. Money talks and crap walks.

[@polarvortex3294]

The "intruder" would have needed some light to write by, as well. And more time and light to go through the house to find all the items that were used to commit the crime -- neglecting to search for, or take away, any valuables from the rich house while doing so, by the way. The more you think about it, the more nonsensical the kidnapping/ransom-note story becomes.

[@jessestewart169]

That's right.

[@JordanWilliams-ix2td]

They couldve written it before they did this

[@bryanbradley6871]

Also why leave the note when she died? For one at least more than one person was involved because how did 1 person write the note while holding her and where it was written or wrote it before she was taken but it would of took time and someone might come down. It doesn't make sense

[@tj-ln2ep]

Writing a 2 page (!) ransom note, feels like something very personal ,the exact amount of ransom money and the concern processing the ransom money....i believe it was someone in the family

[@annahale1187]

No one committing such a crime would delay leaving the scene of the crime to leisurely write a long, drawn out ransom note on the homeowners notepad. Ridiculous.

[@tj-ln2ep]

​@@annahale1187 good point, maybe they wrote it beforehand?

[@tankthearc9875]

@@tj-ln2ep how? it was from patsys notebook

[@2msvalkyrie529]

Perhaps.? But ....the Motive..?? Even Dr Grande can't come up with one. Also , at one point he mentions DNA...from a non family member but never refers to it again..??

[@potatomonger]

When I was in highschool, our forensics teacher had us rewrite the ransom note. If I remember correctly, it took the class between 20-30 minutes- some people did write with their left hand because some of us theorized patsy wrote it with her non dominant hand. You can’t convince me an intruder wasted almost a half hour writing a ransom note on paper that was already in the home.

[@hayleyferguson3346]

Exactly. And for whom English is a second language. "Foreign faction" would be precise, to the point. Only American writers (the parents) would ramble using tv, movie references, and sound overly motherly (concerned about wellbeing).

[@TheXander360]

And you guys already knew what it said they'd have to think it up and write in the house.

[@t2av159]

The DNA evidence is a major outlier though

[@robertafierro5592]

Forensic Teacher?

[@juanitarichards1074]

Unless it was written by an intruder already in the house who was waiting for them......

[@teedee5972]

Notice that the ransom notes begins with the words: "Mr. Ramsey ... but ends with the words: "it's up to you now John." That's a very PERSONAL comment. The writer knows the family intimately.

[@RedDawnRocker]

I think you're on the right track but I've long had a bit of a theory of my own on the murder which fits exactly with yours. The $119,000 ransom which as said is the exact number of John's bonus. Very few would have knowledge of that number; those in the family/friends circle, those at John's bank where he deposited that bonus and those that worked closely with John at his job. That said, I don't think the motive ever was the bonus money but that Jonbenet was always the target ... maybe not for kidnapping though. Lets say a co-worker of John's who is either below him on the corporate ladder or younger than him ends up with a "fascination" over JonBenet that only a sick mind could have. Lets say that man broke into the house in either stalker/voyeur mode or a much more sinister. If she caught him or tried drawing attention maybe it was then and there that he decided to take her with him and figured a fake ransom note would be a way of throwing people off giving him a chance to get way with her. Maybe the mistake he made which would create a link would be the $119,000 number. It limits suspects to those who knew the exact amount of John's bonus. My guess would be that he initially planned to get away through the basement when he heard someone come home but Jonbenet probably tried drawing attention and he killed her to keep her quiet and stayed in that closet/room until after everyone went to sleep or left. Considering John was the President and CEO of a Lockheed Martin subsidiary he''d have plenty of subordinates and quite a few of them would be younger which would explain the "Mr. Ramsey" written on the ransom note. This is just my theory, but you're 100% right ... I think this whole thing was personal.

[@arribaficationwineho32]

@@RedDawnRocker the killer lived in the house

[@ronleon62]

@@arribaficationwineho32 Maybe, but zero evidence to prove that.

[@arribaficationwineho32]

@@ronleon62 thanks to the family controlling the investigation by police without a lot of murder experience

[@gracebarber4544]

Yeppers, they owed big money. Not her Brother? She was #$&*¶€ You know, lotta money

[@carenann918]

"small foreign faction" No one calls themselves "foreign." That ransom note is a mess.

[@clairepaterson2374]

There are a few international organisations/religious nuts who target wealthy people for money.

[@carenann918]

@@clairepaterson2374 yes, I'm not saying they aren't foreign, I'm saying no one calls themselves foreign. You are not foreign to yourself. They might have used the word "international." At any rate, the point is moot since it's very clear Patsy wrote that letter.

[@clairepaterson2374]

@@carenann918 I always considered it to be a sign that the maid might have written it.

[@jandolinmarks]

@@carenann918 There were a lot of contradictions as well. Menacing, and then almost downright friendly.

[@MissJensk1]

@@clairepaterson2374 Yes, but they don't call THEMSELVES "foreign".

[@Steely_Fran]

The only thing that could have made that ransom note any more absurd was if it ended with the phrase "This message will self destruct".

[@georgiakerek7999]

😂😂😂

[@stephentresca3536]

Yes better yet if she signed it at the end.

[@katmomma5249]

@@stephentresca3536😂😂😂

[@AvnueC]

😂😂😂

[@tinathompson7442]

Why would you call police and all those friends to come when the ransom note implied they would kill her if you did?? Makes it hard to believe an intruder wrote that note.

[@tinathompson7442]

You'd just be preparing to pay that ransom quietly is what I'm saying.

[@kellyteacherforlife7165]

@Fly by night I totally agree. No real kidnapper/murderer would take the time to sit down and write a "ransom note" using the family notepad. Risking a family member waking up when they heard a disturbance in the house in the middle of the night. That "ransom note" sealed it for me in my mind that it was a family member. JonBenet was already dead. They were instituting a coverup and sadly it worked. In my opinion. Allegedly. Don't come for me Ramseys. Think Madeleine McCann case.

[@carolinesunshine1690]

@Tina Thompson I have always thought that their close couple-friends, that were also the Ramsey's neighbors, were somehow involved. I can't recall if law enforcement took samples of their DNA or not, but they should have. John and the neighbor guy went down in the basement together when they asked Jon and Patsy to check the entire house.

[@LB-gz3ke]

It is the note that makes it clear the Ramseys were involved. IF they didn't write it they would have been pouring over every detail in it before the cops arrived. They would have eyes glued to the phone waiting for a ransom call. They would not have called anyone but the police. The way they disregarded the notes instructions and the threat of some foreign faction makes it clear they are not afraid of any kidnapper involvement.

[@nevaehlumiere8019]

Fly by night... to me it seems quite obvious that it was NOT Patsy Ramsey. Number one: why would she use her own pad of paper and her own paintbrush? Doesn't that seem just a little too "convenient "? Also… I'm no expert whatsoever, but I can tell male handwriting from female handwriting most of the time. (I was a psychology student once upon a time)!The letters used in that note are clearly male. Now...I have done some thing in my lifetime that was designed to throw people off. I'm right handed. But out of silliness or whatever, I've used my left hand and I purposely did not use the same structure or loops in my letters. I also changed my typical sentence structure and purposely misspelled some words. It ends up not looking like my writing.

[@roselee4445]

Bizzare that the police asked John to search house, and not police search.

[@davidb2206]

No, bizarre that any parents would not have ALREADY torn that house apart, BEFORE any cops got there. Again, the Ramseys not reacting like normal parents.

[@vian-ij4sv]

The first detective that showed, before finding the body, said in an interview that she had to call for more officers multiple times before anyone else would show up. I place blame for not finding the killer squarely on the Boulder Police Department.

[@jodyculbertson5853]

@@vian-ij4sv I listened to that interview yesterday of that detective. Very bizarre that even after finding Jon Benet’s body it took way too long for more authorities to arrive. Very poor response and what else could be going on in Boulder then more important than a murder of a child. I lived in Boulder a short time in 1979. It’s a low crime town.

[@whitedragoness23]

The whole case is bizarre, I believe many people were also allowed to enter the house and contaminate the house :(

[@debraharrison-hl9cz]

@@whitedragoness23 The crime scene was in the basement and nobody entered the basement until John found JonBenet there. Any contamination that was done was the polices fault because they could've told everyone to leave except the Ramseys.

[@heatheryfeathery1]

Oooh. I’m so excited about this one. This case has bothered me for years. Poor girl. Thank you for being the hardest working doctor on KZbin.

[@jezebulls]

Same. I grew up on this case and every year I hope that they find the real killers with new forensic techniques, but as Dr. Grande points out, it’s the Dad!!! Get him now!! Are they still alive?

[@connectionmagazine320]

WHY did the parents lie and say their son, JonBenet's brother, was asleep the entire time they were looking for their daughter. They did not want to bother him to find missing child. Yet as an adult, the brother confesses that he was awake late that night during a commotion about his sister. Uh ohhhh.

[@berthalewis7910]

I remember this case. The police were placed under a lot of pressure because of the family’s wealth. One or two detectives quit because they were discouraged from higher ups from pursuing certain leads.

[@Tiburon876]

Money is power

[@debraharrison-hl9cz]

Bertha Lewis The Ramseys were placed under a lot of pressure because of all the lies the police told the media.

[@Tiburon876]

Bertha.. what is your feeling on this case

[@Tiburon876]

@@debraharrison-hl9cz Debra.. what do you think happened

[@debraharrison-hl9cz]

@@Tiburon876 Someone who knew the Ramseys murdered JonBenet. This person acted as their friend but secretly hated them especially John. He/she stole Patsy's handwriting and copied and copied it until they got it perfect. He/she broke in when the Ramseys were out with the already written ransom note. He/she waited until everyone was asleep, took JonBenet to the basement and did those horrible things to her. Then left the ransom note and left the house. It was never about a kidnapping, it was all about causing as much pain and anguish to John Ramsey as possible. I believe the murderer was a male because she had unknown male DNA on her underwear, her leggings and underneath her fingernails.

[@lindalamb7512]

Wouldn’t searching the house be the first thing parents would do and police too??

[@fieryeurochick3194]

Not if the note was found immediately.

[@dustbitten]

I’d first be in shock and denial and think maybe it was a prank and check if she’s in bed, then I’d check if Burke is in bed. I’d get Burke up to stay near me. Then I’d wake up my husband and call police. I probably would not have read the letter carefully or even the whole thing until at least my husband was up. I’d probably let him read it while I was calling police if he wasn’t already running around the house himself. I almost forgot that back in those days people used landlines so walking around the house while on the phone wouldn’t be an option. I’d tell the police “I found a ransom note saying someone kidnapped my daughter. I can’t find my daughter. It said not to call the police. What do I do?” I’m the type of person who understands when someone becomes useless for what I need and if I’m just waiting for police to arrive, unless they told me not to, I’d then leave the phone off the hook and frantically run around the house calling out her name with a bat or something so they could hear me scream if someone attacks me (mama bear don’t care about getting hurt when child is in danger) all the while hoping it was a joke so I could come back and say false alarm. My paranoia levels would go through the roof. I’d check if anything seemed out of place or unusual taking mental notes. I would try not to tear up the house destroying any evidence, I’d just run around looking. I’d be highly in tune with whether it felt like I was being watched. I’d look out the windows to check for any parked cars or people walking around. I’d check if any doors or windows were unlocked or open. I wouldn’t call friends over because when something like that happens I don’t trust anyone.

[@carolputney3088]

Police did check that morning. Also fleet white searched the house. White even ooened door where she was and couldnt find light swit ch . He didnt see her.

[@vinnievee5710]

I don’t understand how, even with a ransom note and thinking it’s a kidnapping, that the Ramseys didn’t search every single inch of that house themselves when they realized Jonbenet was missing. If that was my kid I would have torn my entire house apart searching even if I suspected they weren’t there. Especially the hidden away places like where she was found. That never made sense to me why they didn’t bother searching for her in the home very well. Pretty sure Officer Doofy was the lead investigator on this case

[@steppy3736]

As a mom, I would search the house immediately. I'd make my husband and anyone else in the home search too. Police definitely should have searched, systematically when they first got there.

[@robertfeeley9738]

The whole thing is sick, beyond description

[@MrS98VAC]

The first officer on the scene soon after JonBenet's "kidnapping" was reported said that the ransom note indicated the 8-10am time frame of which to expect a call from the "kidnappers". She went onto say that 10am came and went & there was no mention from either parent that the deadline imposed by the ransom note had come and gone. Enough said!

[@marilynkennedy8236]

There is something peculiar about this note that does not seem to have been picked up by anybody. First of all banks are closed on Boxing Day so how could John Ramsey have got his money out. The kidnapper says that bank authorities are not to be alerted so John couldn't have asked the bank to open up especially for him. Unless of course America is different than England and banks are open on Boxing Day!

[@MrS98VAC]

@@marilynkennedy8236 Yes, you answered your own question.

[@marilynkennedy8236]

@@MrS98VAC Thanks for your reply.

[@donnamaree4920]

The note said "we will call tomorrow". As (ostensibly, at least) no one knows whether the note was composed the previous day or the morning it was found, "Tomorrow" might well have meant the following day - the day after Boxing Day.

[@marilynkennedy8236]

@@donnamaree4920 Thank you Donna Maree for your message. I have always understood that tomorrow meant Boxing Day being as the note was supposedly written on Christmas Night, but of course they could well have meant the 27th. A lot of confusion has been caused in my mind because I didn't realise that Boxing Day in America is not considered a Bank Holiday. Therefore I wondered how the kidnappers expected John Ramsey to go to the bank on a bank holiday looking at it from the UK perspective. I have only recently found out that the Banks in America are open on the 26th.

[@skotmatthews8940]

This guy saved my life. Seriously, I had a bad bout of insomnia, I hadn't slept for over 4 days and it was getting rough! I had tried everything-including pills. However god lined this old miracle up inside my que and I shit you not I didn't even finish the video. Pure bliss. I woke up 2 days later with the biggest smile on my face since 2013. Man to this day I was able to tell my doctor to stop prescribing me my meds. You think im playing, but this man is a gift from God

[@laceandribbonsviolin]

Lol sounds like you need ASMR

[@fxbtz7031]

😂😂😂

[@_.BeBe._]

Lmaoooo

[@sheriv7677]

I feel the same way about the narrator on "Forensic Files". His voice relaxes me completely.

[@fallyneprinciotta9058]

I just discovered dr. Grande and I am fascinated by everything he talks about. Thank u for keeping me sane during this quarantine!😚😍♥️

[@abafortunate5668]

IKR, he’s a genius

[@yourstruly256]

He's the best

[@Ron4885]

Me too. I have NO training in this area whatsoever (I'm a network analyst) but find this very interesting. Dr. Brande does with 'people' what I do with network systems. That's fascinating. In truth. . . his work is more interesting :-) For what I know (which isn't much) the note is way over the top for someone in a hurry and I feel strongly it was written by a women.

[@ladymopar2024]

Welcome to our little group:-) he is the best I never miss an episode

[@fallyneprinciotta9058]

@@ladymopar2024 thank u. What a friendly place to be

[@thewolfdoctor761]

The ransom note makes it difficult to believe that anyone other than the Ramseys was involved.

[@thewolfdoctor761]

@@sheilasmith7779 All 5 of them ? And one of them decides to kill the little girl instead of kidnap her, then sits down for an hour and writes a 3 page ransom note ? That makes no sense. IMO, the only reasonable theory is that a family member killed her then the other(s) covered it up.

[@thewolfdoctor761]

@@sheilasmith7779 OK there is a 99% chance it was a family member and a 1% chance that one of a handful of people who knew of the bonus decided to kill a child and then sit for an hour in the house writing a silly, rambling, 3 page ransom note. FBI agents have said that they have never seen a ransom note like that. Every time it's usually something like, "We have your child. We want a million dollars. We will call you for further instructions."

[@furripupau]

I don't think the ransom note is genuine. I think the murderer was trying to frame Patsy. Consider this: The note was written in a hand *like* Patsy's, but not exactly alike. There was also evidence of a practice "draft" in the house. This makes sense if somebody was trying to copy her handwriting. Also, the note is very long and the handwriting is not rushed. If Patsy faked the note after her daughter died - this would be super bizarre. Sure she would have the time to make it, but would somebody in panic mode spend that time to make such a long, bizarre note, and even make a first draft? When a simple "we have your child, leave the money here by this time or you'll never see her again" would have sufficed as a cover up, and been far less suspicious? That said, John and Patsy both knew a lot more than they let on. They misdirected the investigation, and they kept putting off their police interviews - they only consented once it became obvious they were the prime suspects.

[@furripupau]

@@sheilasmith7779 One thing that doesn't make sense is the garrot. Specifically the paintbrush part. There is absolutely no reason the paintbrush had to be broken to work. The killer could have left the brush intact, but instead its ends were broken off. This is one of those minor details most overlook, and yet it's so baffling, and the breaking of the brush is so intentional, that it must be of significance. So what purpose did breaking the ends of the brush off serve? Possibly to disguise the object - to make it not look like a brush, which I suppose makes sense if Patsy did it and didn't want her brush to be recognized as a brush. But on the other hand, putting the broken off part of the brush in with Patsy's art supplies would either be monumentally careless if Patsy did it, or an obvious attempt to plant evidence to link Patsy to the weapon. I don't think Patsy would be dumb enough to break the brush so it doesn't look like a brush anymore, and then just toss the parts that were removed back in with her other items, completely obliterating the whole point of disguising the brush in the first place.

[@gerardquinn6637]

@@sheilasmith7779 You are BABBLING.

[@kattitude121]

You crack me up, while remaining respectful to the victim and making excellent points. Thanks for another great one.

[@stevemcmillan2213]

Jon was found with a ligature knotted exactly as shown in the scout's handbook he received for Christmas. The knot is used by scouts and sailors, he was in the scouts and still sails today. The stain on her body was not determined as anything other than a smear. Then there are the contents of her stomach, which contained pineapple. There was an unfinished bowl on the table at the crime scene. Burke knew that both he and she ate this with milk but failed to identify it in later photos. You say that there was no need for Burke to kill Jon Benet, but he smeared excrement on her bed. Technicians found “faeces smeared on a box of candy” she had gotten for that Christmas”. This abnormal behavior suggests that Burke not only had mental issues, but he also may have had jealousy issues towards his sister and he had a lot to be jealous of, especially the constant attention lavished upon his sibling. You say that he would not have been tried as an adult so therefore you hypothesise that it wasn't him. If Burke was responsible for the molestation and subsequent death of his own sister, I submit that neither parent would ever want that getting out. The father showed some knowledge of forensics, by placing the body in the coldest room in the house, a place that staff said was almost impossible to find without knowledge of the layout. The long delay in finding the body and the colder temperature would make the time of death harder to ascertain. The body cools at 1.5 degrees F every hour (from normal 37 degrees c.), this is called Algor Mortis, but this is affected by heat and other factors like clothing and weight. Then he contaminated the crime scene. They rang family and friends before law enforcement was contacted and police, FBI investigators and family, relatives and friends flooded the scene, further contaminating the house and surrounding land. Mrs. Ramsey’s sister walked into the house and left with a couple of suitcases full of material. According to agents, no one at the scene knew who she was!” There was no intruder. If there had been, the parents would know, and be keen, not to touch anything. Instead, they contaminated everything. She was in full rigour when the pathologist came at 8PM, which occurs 6 to 8 hours after death. So, that means she had to have been killed between Midnight and 2AM (she was last seen in bed at 10.30). I would suggest that this is far too early for an intruder to be entering someone's home. The coroner notes that petechial haemorrhages were caused during strangulation, so she was still alive after the head trauma. If she had been found with head trauma alone, it would have not fit the kidnapper hypothesis, so strangulation of an already dying girl would be needed to cover it up. The wound was very obvious.This fits my hypothesis, that she was fatally wounded by the torch, which had Jon's DNA on it. I believe Burke hit her in a fit of rage, possibly for eating his pineapple. A scream was heard around 12.30 by a neighbour. A single, young girl's scream. The father, upon carrying the body of Jon Benet from the basement into the room asked if she was dead and the officer said, ‘yes, she’s dead’. She had been deceased some hours at this point and it would have been blatantly obvious as she was in full rigor (she would have been stiff as a board). He does not even check her pulse before bringing her up from the basement, which is extremely odd if he thought there was a chance she was still alive. The handwriting matched Patsy's, it was her pen and pad and her fingerprints were on the preposterous ransom note. The case in the cellar which contained evidence was also Burke's. Remember, Burke was never tested for DNA. No kidnapper leaves their source of income behind. The smiling in his video is likely to confuse behaviour analysts, after all, if you keep the same expression for the entire interview, no one can get a baseline, from which to read subsequent expressions and reactions to questions. I think you need to read the autopsy reports! Dr. John E. Meyer expressed that there was evidence of a possible rape of the victim before she was killed. Duct tape was also found to have been added after death. Burke was easy to anger and had previously struck JonBenet with a golf club after getting mad, leaving her with a scar on her face. The coroner hypothesised that it may have been a childish game gone wrong. Certainly, the half-eaten pineapple was her last meal and had to have been eaten less than four hours before her death. Patsy said that Burke had eaten pineapple and milk the same evening, whilst Jon Benet slept, but Burke claims not to recognise (or admit) what it is in later photos. This points to someone luring her downstairs and then into the cellar, probably using the flashlight. I think that this was a regular occurrence. I believe either parent would have simply turned the lights on. Jon was seen 20-30 times at the hospital, they suspected vaginal chronic sexual abuse. The house had a multi-room basement, the parents were on the third floor, and her brother was at the far end of the same floor. Any scream would not have been heard by them. The Killer, if you believe that nonsense, had a familiarity with the layout of the house, knew which floor the children's rooms were on and knew where to locate pens, and paper.The killer seemingly also knew which stairs were likely to be used in the morning to leave the ransom note (there was more than one.) and only one was used every morning. If you want stats: Ligature strangulation is much more likely to occur when the victim is acquainted with their killer. Sadistic features are rare ie. tying up, and penetrating with an object. Elements of staging associated with the crime scene suggest that the crime scene was presented to represent a sexually sadistic homicide scene, but was done to cover a domestic homicide. FBI data suggests that when a child under the age of 12 is murdered, a family member is a likely culprit. The almost token amount of sexual activity and penetration suggest again that the homicide was staged to appear as sexually-oriented, but lacked the depth of effort and reward that would be expected of a sexual predator.Thus, the offender can be expected to be: • Adult Female • Personality disordered • Known to the victim and family. The use of ligature strangulation suggests the crime was committed by a 'female; because ligatures are used when the person doing the strangulation has the belief that the victim may be able to overpower them during the act. I would suggest that this would also apply to Burke. Neither the mother or father would have needed one to strangle Jon Benet, but he was just a nine-year-old boy. One interesting piece of evidence, much overlooked, is that Patsy was still dressed in the same party clothes the next day and still had make-up on, suggesting that she'd not actually been to bed. Most odd for an image-conscious woman. Neither parent comforted the other and they sat apart, not speaking. Whatever the truth actually is, the murder was committed by someone in that household.

[@tynewilson1244]

God see all the hearts🙏🏽

[@christophermitchell7660]

Great synopsis. Totally agree. Allow me to condense: Burke accidentally killed Jonbenet with the heavy metal mag-light flashlight out of jealousy (where's my pineapple?), major skull fracture, death shortly thereafter.The parents were so freaked out, they figured, if we turn Burke in, well lose both our children, one through homicide, the other to the court system, and a ruinous reputation for all. So the coverup began: laughable ransom note, excoriations to her genital area, strangulation, store body in the near freezing basement to thwart decomposition (but not rigor mortis). Burke is whisked away from scene and for the next ten 10 years, and is still largely in hiding. End of story.

[@kathduncan9618]

Great analysis. That was interesting reading, thanks.

[@freddie3206]

steve mcmillan, I agree with everything you said.

[@freddie3206]

@Sunny bob Quackers The DNA is not going to say Burke whacked her in the head with the flashlight. That murder was done inside that home. I think it was accidental but it was done in that home. Parents tried to cover it up!!! I strongly believe the parents panicked as anybody would and thought the child was dead. Very weak pulse. When you watch all the interviews it's pretty clear John is a pathological liar trying his best to throw everyone off. The RN was written by Patsy and was to comical to take seriously. Identical hand writing.

[@clarabellle]

The note refers to the "body" of the little girl rather than saying she will be returned unharmed. That is a bizarre way to ask for a ransom. She was already dead at the time this note was written.

[@SaltandLight70x7]

@@egomod this is a good one!

[@prosperityssoaps708]

Why is your username "Clarabelle's Place"?

[@memyself4431]

Yes, but the note as a whole is a ruse to cause confusion

[@darkhorse9472]

@@egomod Clarabelle's statement is not true. It's a false statement.

[@joanlynch5271]

I agree.

[@MostlyBuicks]

One has to question the mental/emotional stability of any parent that puts their young child in the world of beauty pageants.

[@rachelcoloradomy3kidz778]

Understand this Patsy was a born bred West Virginian. They are raised very different and I am not trying to be mean just the psychology of some people in her area of this country! Out of Love ( in her mind) was jbr doing these pageants as she did and she loved it didn't look it at it like warped sexual idea!

[@nimvin]

@@rachelcoloradomy3kidz778 I agree with what you're saying, and I won't judge someone's heart in the matter, but I still feel that making a 5 yr old up like an adult hooker and parading her around on a stage in scanty clothing is problematic on its face and I do question the thinking of ppl who participate in such things.

[@NJ-Cathie]

The beauty pageant stuff was a distractor that kept the police from properly doing their job.

[@kimmichaud4064]

I don't agree with child beauty pageants but in the south they are extremely common so I wouldn't say every parent whose kids do pageants are evil

[@albgardis]

@Cuck ButtFurd Bingo! And there is your motive! The girl didn't want to do that anymore, it is no fun for a child at all. So this "ungrateful b1tch" who didn't "appreciate" what her "dear mother" had done "for her" was probably beaten by the mother who saw her dream crumble. Maybe it was better for the girl to get out that night. Growing up with a mother like that is not healthy and won't lead to a normal life. Ask me how I know that. No, rather don't.

[@lynnv8501]

Parents know more than they let on, that's for sure. Poor little sweetheart.

[@mztryz]

Parents are both conveniently dead. All actors.

[@vikramgupta2326]

Yes, most likely. I watched a program back in 2000 also with a Psychologist, and his input was, based on behavior of the Ramsey's, his opinion was they didn't do it, but they likely knew who did.

[@peggystoutemorin4529]

@@mztryz The father is not dead.

[@kimbrown5024]

@@mztryz No. The father is still alive, remarried.

[@oig40203]

I have 30 years in law enforcement and still find this case endlessly fascinating. The crime scene is so small and it got contaminated very quickly. The beginning of the story was a kidnapping which puts everyone in a different state of mind, which is "Find the trail as quickly as possible and get that child back". A kidnapping leads you away from the scene, a murder puts you at the scene. The ransom note itself is so bizarre. I don't think we will ever know the full story.

[@beansz5390]

In Patsys 911 call she says “we have a kidnapping!” The language she uses throughout the call is similar to what’s written in the note like “we have your daughter” it’s more like she’s reporting on the case like she’s not emotionally connected to her daughter. A sign of guilt.

[@elainevankat5353]

Thank you!! Absolutely agree.... Patsy’s 911 call is weird!! She even says “Thanks” to the dispatcher at the end of the call!🙄

[@ohdear2275]

Yes. She used what's called "distancing language."

[@melissal.lanier4823]

@@ohdear2275 Where did you find this information? On how someone who is stressed out and in shock would act? I would want to distance myself from it too. When you call police - 9-1-1, most highly intelligent people get to the point quickly. Autism also probably runs in this family. Very high functioning - just bc people don't behave like YOU doesn't mean they murdered their kid.

[@melissal.lanier4823]

@@elainevankat5353 That is what people say to police officers and dispatchers. They thank them.

[@dankodde6721]

The commentator said there was no motive. It could have been an accident, kids get on parents nerves and parents overreact. Only God knows what happened. Poor police work. Not sure it would have mattered though. He would have had good lawyers.

[@karak962]

THANK YOU for mentioning the smiling could have been anxiety thing. This is something people often leave out and make assumptions about

[@cal4625]

It's apparent to me that the local police were intimidated by the Ramsey's social status and hesitated to perform a serious investigation at the start.

[@dianaguenzler2897]

The Boulder PD were a Community Watch Policing system and the investigators on this case had no experience investigating homicides. The lead investigator was a Bunko Cop, not a Homicide investigator. They were not intimidated by John Ramsey. He had no political status within Boulder. They had only lived in Colorado for 3 years. The issues were political between the Chief of police and the Boulder DA. The Govenor and 5 other County DA's were also involved. There were 3 world renowned pathologists/Medical examinors/Coroners examined Jonbenet's case. They agreed, the evidence was such a mess, they could not make Heads or tails of what happened. The Boulder PD came up with their theory of what they believed happened and tried to make the evidence fit their theory rather than the other way around. The evidence is supposed to tell the story. This is why the Grand Jury could not make a case to indite anyone.

[@dianaguenzler2897]

We citizens of Colorado were kept updated on this case annually until the Boulder DA announced the Ramsey's were cleared of this murder a few years ago, after Patsy's death.

[@dianaguenzler2897]

This report is from a "Johnny come lately

[@justinwatson1510]

Punishment is for poor people. Cops have always existed for the protection of the wealthy, so it shouldn’t be surprising when the rich get away with murder.

[@jamesbedukodjograham5508]

Yeah in general Social status does confuse the behaviour of the police towards suspects. Professionals tend to be held in high esteem. However I am totally horrified by this Psychological situation that we know so much.

[@NickCager]

The only thing that note was missing was... "Sincerely, Patsy Ramsey"

[@nvfacc3569]

Pretty savage murder for a parent. I don't think so.

[@ImogenC-rt3fm]

​@@nvfacc3569sorry have you visited reality lately? Vast majority of murders are committed by family or loved ones. Educate yourself.

[@adamant5550]

@@nvfacc3569 Accidental death and cover-up, not murder, my friend. Get it right.

[@marianilsson8785]

Yep

[@NickCager]

@@nvfacc3569 I didn't say she murdered anyone... just that she obviously wrote the note.

[@sophiebushbaby1351]

It would be interesting to hear your take on the case of Madeleine McCann Your videos are brilliant and I’m always looking forward to the next one

[@cookie_dough_hangover]

Yes, definitely.

[@chibbledorf]

Be careful talking about Madeleine the parents take legal action if you look at them funny

[@caseyw.6550]

Yes!

[@2manybooks2littletime25]

Yes! Now there's a baffling case!

[@Slarti]

@@chibbledorf They also sue any who mentions that they sue so you are now in big trouble... and so am I now, oh pooh!

[@mississippimud7046]

The letter does sound like a woman wrote it almost like she was trying to write a crime novel

[@mleecthulhu]

Yea it does

[@SummerWindnewleafbotanicacom]

I always thought Patsy wrote the note. When I read it I can hear her voice in my head. Especially the listen carefully!

[@chrisrees7054]

I agree

[@darkhorse9472]

@Gary Etheridge DNA eliminated the Ramseys over a decade ago.

[@darkhorse9472]

@epics7 CODIS only accepts high-level, identifiable DNA into its database. It accepted the DNA found on JonBenet's body as belonging to a mix of two people: JonBenét plus one intruder. ALL Ramseys were ruled out as being a contributor to the mix. The same DNA was used to positively exclude numerous suspects, such as Michael Helgoth, Chris Wolf, Randy Simons, Glenn Meyer, Gary Oliva, John Mark Karr, Santa Bill McReynolds, Linda Hoffman-Pugh, Mervyn Pugh, and numerous others. There is no evidence 'the mother killed by accident, out of anger, that the father had some power, where he could and got someone in there to tamper with the evidence'. JonBenet's was heinously garroted first, the blow to her head came at death, or near death.

[@steviecrow914]

Love this: Acknowledging the writer obviously didn’t understand the dynamics of small foreign factions. 🤣. You are a riot!

[@sheilacooper8361]

Yes! Loved that 🤣

[@sunshinecoasttrailcam]

He is so good🤣

[@badmamjamma]

Exactly. And if you are from another country, you don't consider yourself "foreign"

[@daviddixon2273]

@@badmamjamma YES!! And you would ALSO consider Americans "foreign".

[@badmamjamma]

@@daviddixon2273 exactly! Lol. A murderer/conspirator and not too bright, to boot.

[@bitterbeauty711]

It happened on Christmas Eve in an expensive neighborhood. It wasn’t done by a random stranger who happened to be in the area.

[@MultiLinda7777]

It was actually on christmas day cause the 26th is the date they found her.

[@jennyjay7816]

If my kid was missing, I would have searched every room, closet or space that she could possibly be. Seems like hours passed while she was in the basement. 🤷‍♀️

[@Rachel-467]

7 hours apparently... an incompetent investigation team is to thank for that😪 I wish for justice for that poor little girl

[@jennyjay7816]

@@Rachel-467 the fact that they let the crime scene be disturbed and having the dad and a friend searching the house, just a pathetic excuse of an investigation.

[@darkhorse9472]

@Jenny Jay. JonBenet was just 'missing'. JonBenet's parents woke up, there was a ransom note left saying she was kidnapped. They quickly checked her room and Burke's and immediately called 911. Nothing wrong with that! Boulder police were there within minutes, and searched the home. The Ramsey home was huge, over 7,000 s/f.

[@jennyjay7816]

@@darkhorse9472 the police didn’t find her, her dad and Fleet found her... so the police didn’t search very well either.... I’m not trying to be mean, I understand that you don’t know what you would do in a situation like this, it just seems like a lot of things went very wrong with the investigation. ☮️

[@darkhorse9472]

@@jennyjay7816 Fleet and JR found JonBenet, because the Boulder Police Dept. had no experience with a kidnapping, and refused help from the FBI. When the Ramseys called 911, they trusted the police to do their job...and yes, a thorough search, but we know how that went. The door where JonBenet was, on the other side, was not opened by BP, because it was locked from the outside. They were searching for an exit by the kidnappers, and for clues and evidence of a kidnapping...not her body. The Ramsey home was massive, with 8 bathrooms alone. The bathroom in the basement had evidence of an intruder.

[@LaisCordiolli]

I'm a cat owner and I look for him everywhere as soon as I notice he's not around. Imagine a child.

[@eugene3801]

EXACTLY... just 2 nights ago our cat didn't wake my husband up at 2am like he always does... so there's my husband walking up and down the street in his slippers and gown, looking for our baby boy. That's why I married him. Too precious!

[@nicklucking1891]

Lais, There are other ways to hint that you are single. Also if a note read “we have your precious Jinksey cat and demand a ransom” would you assume the cat was still in the house

[@brooke4097]

@@jamesr1703 it was definitely the dad lol

[@coronatyrus2391]

NEXT TIME... Go look in your neighbors yard/garden... He'll be using it as a TOILET!!

[@OGitGirlJess]

Same with my dog 🐕 ❤️

[@stephaniehowe0973]

The HUGE thing was If your child is "Missing" why wouldnt you search the house.

[@Capiiable]

If they found the ransom note right away I guess it wouldn't make much sense to search the house. At least not for the girl.. but for evidence sure. Nobody would think the kid is still in the house after they found a ransom note stating that it got kidnapped.

[@quasimobius]

If they weren't rich they would have been prosecuted relatively quickly. Poor parents would have been nailed for it.

[@Capiiable]

@@quasimobius I'm not from the U.S. so I can't really comment on that. But I'm on the same page as Dr. Grande. It seems likely they are guilty in some way

[@quasimobius]

@@Capiiable I believe Jonbenet becoming school age factored into her being killed. They, the schools tell the kids they don't have to take abuse from anyone and to come forward and tell. I think the dad was playing sex games on the child and when she thought she saw a light at the end of the tunnel, she came out and actually told her abuser she didn't have to take it anymore and she was going to tell, and that provoked an extreme reaction. It was a crime of passion.

[@kalesheonn8366]

quasimobius wow, next tell us the day and time at which Jesus will return for his flock. Such prophet.

[@JM06261996]

Years late to this video but I think we all agree that the moment John went downstairs and found her and moved her was the second this case was absolutely effed in terms of being solved. The second they let slip that the parents were being interviewed as suspects and they stopped cooperating was the final nail in the coffin. I think if they kept interrogating them we would have confessions.

[@TheSkeetergirl]

One thing that stands out in this case was that after the expected call from “the kidnapper” didn’t come, the parents didn’t mention it.

[@btetschner]

Suspicious, right? Wouldn't you think they would become tense if they kidnapper did not call? I bet they were so worried about what was going to happen to them that they lost track of time.

[@elainstill1671]

Right? After one minute late, I'd be freaking out saying "why aren't they calling! Somethings wrong!"

[@ogpigeon4431]

I agree, that it essentially unbelievable under any circumstances.. You would be livid and scared out of your mind at what that meant that they did not call. All of your hopes would have been riding on that phone call in the desperate hope that you'd hear her voice.

[@btetschner]

@@ogpigeon4431 They were probably also very worried that they did not know how they were going to explain why there was no call. It was probably a relief for John Ramsey when the officer told him and his friend to search the home because they no longer had to hold onto a kidnapping story that was becoming less believable with more time.

[@billsimms2511]

I was bothered by how nonchalant John Ramsey acted when the time came for the phone call. You’d think John and Patsy would be very eager or nervous to answer the phone but they weren’t. John was looking at his mail casually like a normal day . Bizarre Plus, John still planned on traveling to Atlanta even after finding out his daughter was just brutally murdered! I mean, if my kid was just murdered I have to believe I’d cancel all flights and stay home to just either help the police or maintain peace of mind

[@matthewpritchard9187]

The ransom note is flat out hilarious. It’s amazing that there was ever any doubt about that for a second.

[@CurseTheDarkness]

It is someone trying to write a kidnapping note who only has Hollywood for an example.

[@switchbladekid1365]

And of course, the note instructed the parents not to talk to anyone or Jonbenet would be killed. Then the parents called not only the police but everyone they knew, so they already knew she was dead.

[@cherylreid5134]

IF they knew Jon Benet was already dead and in the house why leave a note period until they disposed of the body?Even a kidnapping would involve checking the whole house for clues

[@melissal.lanier4823]

Dear Patty & john, I've kidnapped your precious daughter from her bedroom. She's in the cellar now dead. Xoxo, The Killer I mean COME ON. It's a red herring. And it did exactly what it was supposed to do. Cast doubt and cause chaos.

[@alexh1524]

While pinpointing the exact murderer(s) and true motives is daunting, there is compelling evidence that the Ramseys were involved in the coverup. Any investigation into this murder needs to start with coverup and work its way toward the culprit.

[@debraconner3433]

He went directly to her because he didn't want people LOOKING THROUGH HIS HOUSE!

[@marilyncarter5700]

And there’s probably some truth to that

[@michaeldelguercio339]

he went directly 2 her bc he knew x-actly were she was !

[@darkhorse9472]

@@michaeldelguercio339 Do you have evidence John Ramsey 'went directly 2 her bc he knew x-actly were she was !'? Didn't think so. There is no evidence to support your statement.

[@michaeldelguercio339]

@@darkhorse9472 grow a brain like John , just by the fact thats the 1st place he went tells you he knew.....stupid!

[@darkhorse9472]

@@michaeldelguercio339 Me stupid? DNA cleared the Ramseys over a decade ago. You DO know what DNA is, right?

[@RainbowPyramid]

So bizzare, a kid is missing, but no one searched the house right away? When I was a kid, my brother disappeared. We found him a few hours later unharmed. But I recall, even as a child, looking EVERYWHERE for him. In every cupboard, behind furniture, under furniture, in the car, even in the bottom of the swimming pool. How could the police and the family sit around in the house for SEVEN HOURS before searching the house. Then the police are asking for a search to happen to see if anything is out of place (not looking for the missing child, just looking to see if there is anything out of place). I think if the parents had anything to do with it, they would most certainly have not asked for the same amount of money as John received for his bonus.

[@KingofPepsi]

Also, I found this in a book on the case: When you find a ransom note, you should not find a dead body. When you find a dead body, you should not find a ransom note, it's just stupid.

[@carol89589]

Exactly, ridiculous

[@mermaidtales3639]

Right? You wouldn’t find both a ransom note AND a body together.

[@hellodollyseniorvisitsandd4982]

Maybe they weren’t anticipating actually having to pretend to discover the body maybe they thought that the cops would come talk to them and then not stay at their house so they could hide the body somewhere else but when they realize that the cop was going to stay there he pretended to find her

[@mulemule]

Charles Lindbergh: "Hold my beer."

[@3Cathill]

@@mulemule I was thinking that too, and was going to look it up to make sure,,, thought i would read down to see if somebody else said that,,, I will buy you a beer for that one

[@sandranorman5469]

“Foreign”. Yessir if I am over in England I would refer to myself in a ransom note “a small FOREIGN faction.” Who calls themselves a foreign or foreigner ??

[@lorib360]

Exactly!

[@chateaumojo]

Note writer could have been trying to cast blame on Al Queda or IS.

[@darkhorse9472]

A young punk in his 20's who plays too many video games, that's who.

[@lorib360]

@@darkhorse9472 Do you think that young punk have the vocabulary used in the letter? Sounds like an older person, but there are always exceptions!

[@LateNightCigars]

@@lorib360 some young punks are smarter than they appear, and twisted.

[@JaredC0022]

Patsy 100% wrote that ridiculous ransom note. Like a random intruder would just happen to have handwriting so perfectly similar to hers. It's so blisteringly obvious that I don't even see how this is a "mystery" outside the courts (where the proof standards are beyond reasonable doubt). Don't know which parent actually took her life, but they both knew who killed her, and John being still alive knows to this day.

[@rigelb9025]

And still milking that story for all it's worth.

[@Traceishere]

ExACTLY I have always thought it was the mother,

[@freddie3206]

Ben Robinson, You better believe Patsy wrote that RN. Identical handwriting.

[@caroline61804]

@@freddie3206but patsy taught her so. how to write

[@Lucy-ym8ch]

What if she was forced to write the ransom note? What if it was a Mob thing?

[@adriel7229]

The note was likely a failed attempt to remove the body from the home in a large suitcase, completing the cover up as a kidnapping. The $118k was exactly John's bonus amount and what the Ramseys knew was in their account so they wouldn't have delays waiting on transfers from other accounts and assets. The part about making sure John was rested first because the day would be tiring makes perfect sense if it was written by an exhausted person who'd had a long day of holiday celebrations and then was up all night because their child died in their home and they had to figure out how to cover it up. Someone desperate to get a little sleep and dreading the inevitable events of the next day which would be further exhausting.

[@carolynmiller6031]

Well, i dont like how far those childerns beauty pageants go with exploiting these girls...often, i think there should be an 'evaluation' on some of the parents who push it as a lifestyle.

[@LaniAnne402]

Nothing to do with the murder. Totally off topic.

[@MeganVictoriaKearns]

@@LaniAnne402 yes. And random pedos don't hang out at beauty pageants. There's not even an audience to speak of, it's just all the kids' pageant moms. In fact if a person was there who didn't have a child in the competition they would immediately stick out.

[@DeeDee-gp6wz]

Patsy's friend said the handwriting matched the Christmas Cards Patsy sent them each year including the wording esp : and hence...

[@billyoung5826]

Other weird evidence: she was eating pineapple in a bowl when she died. The "intruder", in his haste, would have had to have stopped the kidnapping, made her a snack, hung out in the kitchen while she ate it, and then got back to business. There is zero chance somebody from outside of that house did this. There's also no way the Ramsey's planned the killing to go down that way. It was probably an accident and subsequent cover-up.

[@billyoung5826]

@Orion way more evidence the mom did it, imo. Bed wetting, physical evidence, the pineapple thing, the shoddy cover- up, the fact she didn't immediately call the police. If Burke did it, her immediate reaction would have been saving her daughter's life, not fearing legsl trouble for a 6 year old, or whatever he was, imo.

[@rkempson1177]

@Orion A 9 yo would likely break [at some point]during the many police interrogations.

[@nancyayers6355]

If it WAS an accidental death, why ... tell the world it was something else. Also, if it WAS an accident, the kid wouldn't be found garroted in a spare room adjacent to their basement, with a smashed-up skull. Also, would an "accident" really leave traces of semen on the victim!? It couldn't possibly have been an accident. I've always wavered between thinking Patsy was guilty or not. I just know loving parents are not going to damage the body of their child!!

[@AndrewPureMI]

@Orion ur an idiot a he didnt write this whole damn note

[@Beachandpool]

Agreed

[@benjaminhawthorne1969]

You said it yourself Dr. Grande! Every kidnapper knows that "The (hostage's) safe return is the incentive to pay the ransom." Even if JB was accidentally killed by the kidnapper during his so called crime, he would have taken the body and disposed of it, not left it in her parent's home. Even if they did not see her on that first day, a week later, they would surely SMELL her.

[@debraharrison-hl9cz]

Benjamin Hawthorn JonBenet was NOT accidentally murdered, it was quite deliberate. Why should the kidnapper take the body?. Then he has to figure out a way of disposing of it.

[@debraharrison-hl9cz]

@@benjaminhawthorne1969 If it was me I'd leave the body in the house. I'm not going to muck around looking for places to dispose of a body. This was never about a kidnapping anyway, it was all about causing as much pain and anguish to the Ramseys as possible especially John.

[@benjaminhawthorne1969]

You say this was never about a kidnapping? Then who wrote the ransom note? Why did Patsy call 911 and say "We have a kidnapping?" Explain yourself, please. 🤗

[@debraharrison-hl9cz]

@@benjaminhawthorne1969 The intruder wrote the ransom note. He wanted the Ramseys to believe that JonBenet was safe and well and they would get her back. He hated the Ramseys especially John and he wanted to inflict as much pain and anguish on them as he possibly could.

[@katrinaoliver4167]

@@debraharrison-hl9czexactly, so that begs the question: “why the note? If you’re not after money, just leave. Why leave the note (further evidence of handwriting, potential finger prints etc) if you know they aren’t going to pay bc they will realize you never took your hostage. And then they never called between 8-10 like they said they would.

[@susanherring5136]

The ransom note is VERY suspicious! I believe the father, mother and the brother are involved.

[@ru.kiddingme]

But the handwriting is not Patsy's. DNA on the body was not Patsy's or John's. Therefore there must be another collaborator.

[@themadmattster9647]

@@ru.kiddingme it was Patsy writing with her non dominant hand. There were videos where she denied writing things she obviously did, in similar handwriting.

[@davidb2206]

The parents' first reaction was to leave the state and lawyer up. That is not a normal reaction for a family that has just lost a child. That was the first giveaway for me. Then the paper being in the house. Then the exact amount of his bonus being mentioned in it.

[@davidwilliams4498]

Well if I find my baby girl dead in a cold basement floor I moving out .. have an open mind.. Google facts of the case instead of countless comments that it was Burke an a crazy all night cover up

[@JP-wx6uh]

Dr. Grande is cracking me up when he's talking about the details of the ransome note. Hahaha... (customer service survey, etc.)

[@Khymeira]

I'm crying. Dr. Grande slings out his sarcasm with such a straight face. LMAO

[@twilly9022]

@@Khymeira I know he makes Bob Newhart seem like Jim Carrie he's he so dry lol. I love it. 😂

[@mariaquaglieri8561]

I know I told him that the other day. He has a dry sense of humor. He will be talking about the case all of a sudden he will sa something out of left field. I don't know i ever body catches that.

[@jessicacereceres2404]

I know lol, he’s so straight faced while being a total smart ass! Hilarious

[@LFlowers36-o3p]

CarbonQuellist I know. That survey was a good dead pan face. Yesterday he got me with Prince Andrew and the chickens. Pmsl

[@jerrytoro4739]

I believe the fact that jonbenet's father contaminated the scene speaks volumes I've been listening to you for a while and I think you're very analytical and it seems to point towards the father killed her and then the mother wrote the note and they both work together and got away with murder I think your show is incredibly well done and I really appreciate it thank you

[@debraharrison-hl9cz]

Jerry Toro Stop prattling on about John Ramsey contaminating the crime scene. Didn't Detective Linda Arndt later move JonBenet's body?. Then she told John and Patsy to say goodbye to her because it would be the only chance they would get. So further contamination happened when they were laying across her and touching her.

[@Palepetal]

Ehhh... if he is innocent and as a father who just found his murdered daughter it is very normal for him to pick up his dead child. Really the police should have escorted the whole family out of the house. But at the time no one knew JonBenet as dead, the police originally thought she was kidnapped.

[@damnlimpnickis509]

It doesn't prove anything. Patsy and John covered for one another or possibly Burke. John could have just as well contaminated the scene to cover for someone else. If your going to cover for someone else, you may as well do a good job.

[@davidwilliams4498]

If you Google facts of case your comment would irrelevant. Biggest mistake a neighbor who heard a loud scream at 1 am didn't call police or patsy. HUGE mistake. Been no time for a long all night cover up an might have caught murderer if she called police. 1st cop on scene was clueless she waiting to long for back up let's Ramsey's an friends mingle thru house ruin forensics. Google facts of case.

[@tankthearc9875]

@@debraharrison-hl9cz they told him not to and he did it anyway, you cant just throw that out

[@SirBoberus]

HOW THE HECK DID JOHN NOT SCREAM WHEN HE FOUND HIS DAUGHTER'S BODY

[@windsofmarchjourneyperrytr2823]

Because he knew EXACTLY how it got there.

[@carolbruner5226]

His friend with him and the police officer both said he was guilty from that moment on. Friend never spoke to John again. P.O. said when John came upstairs with JB his eyes were evil crazy.

[@meeveekins]

He didn't cradle her body when he carried it up, he had his hands on her waist, arms extended out like he was holding something gross and not his child

[@ritaeichler2066]

He sure did !! How do you know he didnt screan? where u there? according to the film , he did cry out and when Patsy found out she was hysterical!

[@gigi9301]

So What?? Just another Daughter dead...Oh Well...

[@susanurban5920]

John Ramsey knows exactly what happened. I just hope that before he passes away he has a change of heart and decides to tell what really happened.

[@kieransoregaard-utt8]

Susan, you have no idea what you’re talking about.

[@cs8782]

@@kieransoregaard-utt8 well thank god Brandon was here to set the record straight! 🤣🤣🤣.

[@sjworrier0613]

Me too. I suspect it was an accident but they were too scared of what would happen to so and so... the 911 call there’s a person saying “I’m sorry I’m sorry” in the background... logically that would be John...

[@kieransoregaard-utt8]

@@sjworrier0613 Wrong. Way off.

[@thesongbird2383]

@@sjworrier0613 Another "family affair" much like Brian Laundrie and his parents. They all cover for each other and try to trick the cops into looking in the wrong direction. Perhaps the long note was simply an attempt to do that. The cops were negligent and sloppy in both cases. A lot of people, like me, were quite suspicious of Jon Benet's brother right from the start because of jealousy due to all the attention paid to his sister.

[@ailema.4548]

This case makes me happy my country has banned children's beauty pageants. The amount of suspects they had that were oddly fond of JonBenet is terrifying. The suspect list would've been so much smaller had she just been a normal little girl instead of a famous child beauty queen.

[@THEFRISKIESTDINGO]

My ears perked up when he said Patsy was frustrated with bedwetting, because that's an indicator of sexual abuse. Now here's blatant speculation: It sounds like a _motive_ if JonBenet told her mom. Maybe she was complicit and worried JonBenet would tell someone else, maybe she wasn't and saw it, not as horrific child abuse but, as JonBenet being preferred over her, and she could get her husband firmly back under her control by a) taking away the little girl he wanted more than her, and b) holding the abuse over his head to control him. Just spitballing here but there have been and are a scary amount of cases where moms were complicit in the abuse, married their husbands on the condition that he could abuse their daughters, or killed their daughters _because_ they were being molested _specifically_ to remove competition.

[@digitaurus]

@@THEFRISKIESTDINGO I agree with the point about bedwetting. Admittedly the probability of sexual abuse given bedwetting is still low (lots of children wet the bed at that age) so it's not exactly a smoking gun, the probability of bed wetting given sexual abuse at that age is pretty high so it is certainly consistent with that.

[@ralsharp6013]

Three cheers for the law in your country concerning child beauty pageants P.s. to the last 2 comments. Sometimes the bedwetting Theory feels like a bit of a decoy. Realistically, the vaginal damage could be due to the bedwetting.. Perhaps getting stuck on one theory could be the reason why this case has never been solved

[@sapphire22011]

What about dance competitions? I was utterly shocked by shows such as Dance Moms, with kids in skimpy, revealing costumes, plastered with stage makeup, often with wigs, hairpieces and bleached hair, performing skills that included them opening their legs, gyrating, etc. I can just picture these competitions being an absolute magnet for all kinds of predators.

[@ralsharp6013]

@@sapphire22011 I agree. It feels like free invitation for unwanted guests

[@cayrick]

Two things bothered me that you did not mention. - Jon was at a xmas party with the parents. When they arrived home Jon was asleep and was carried into the house according to testimony. In the autopsy they discovered food in Jon's stomach that was on the table at home. This does not compute. - One Boulder detective with a good history of solving crime was on a special committee. He was convinced that the Ramsey's were innocent. His reputation convinced me that the Ramseys didn't do it, but I never fully aware of his reasons for coming to that conclusion. After watching your video, I thought more about it, noting it was xmas eve, they returned from a party maybe had too much to drink, Jon perhaps was excited to open presents and parents were irritated that she did not want to go to bed. Perhaps they were little hungover and in a fit of rage Patsy hit her on the head with a blunt object, maybe a flashlight. Remember too much alcohol can bring out "Mr. Hyde" in some people. They then panicked and in their hazy cognitive state decided to make it look like an intentional murder and wrapped the cord around Jon't throat etc. It would look to obvious to police if they found the body in the basement, so hence the plan to write an elaborate ransom note. Patsy wrote the note in a way to try to disguise her own handwriting;; who knows maybe write it with the left hand. I believe that alcohol was perhaps the missing ingredient from this crime and the resulting stress took Patsy to an early grave. I saw a recent interview with John (on KZbin) who is remarried and he claims that the Boulder Police are withholding DNA analysis and have closed the doors on the investigation. Could it be that John is talking trash and the Boulder Police are embarrassed at the way they botched the investigation or they inadvertently contaminated the evidence and just want this episode to disappear.

[@hodgeelmwood8677]

Patsy died of ovarian cancer. Stress doesn't cause that. Re: the food in JonBenet's stomach, what's so odd about her having something to eat at home? Your accident scenario is too far-fetched. She was garrotted using one of Patsy's paintbrushes; that shows premeditation - she wasn't killed in the area where the brushes were kept. The note was written on her own notepad using one of her own pens, and a handwriting expert at the time claimed it was very similar to Patsy's writing; if another said it didn't, I'm thinking John Ramsey paid someone to say so. The parents are the most likely perpetrators.

[@nanali7245]

“Make sure you’re well rested” & eat breakfast bc it’s the most important meal of the day.

[@audreyquinn73]

@Nana Li: Yeah, that comment always bothered me, too. Who has ever heard of conscientious kidnapper?

[@daviddixon2273]

And wear your mittens kittens, it's cold outside.

[@LiftedMoonLight]

Sounds like something a mother says

[@gigi9301]

@@audreyquinn73 Yeah, it was about 3am and "He" was All Concerned about their morning, not take her or actually have a chance to get the money

[@mgparis]

and wear clean underwear

[@irishchick5528]

Serious after all this time nobody has been arrested, it was someone in that house.

[@gigi9301]

To add fuel to the fire...why did Burke Ramsey spend who knows how much money to sue CBS for "defamation of character" when the Ramsey's should have sued the Boulder Police Department for sheer stupidity....which of course they would have done if they were not involved. Hey, Burke, how about throwing a million or two towards reward money for information leading to the arrest of your sister's murderer? How much did you get from that CBS settlement ? I mean, just to make it seem like you give a little damn bit about finding that hideous guy....unless you're looking at him in the mirror.

[@debratolbert7926]

Absolutely.

[@shawnawesome7770]

Maybe the body return for proper burial was in it because she actually was dead when they wrote it? Sorta like a subconscious thing to say.

[@vikramgupta2326]

Excellent point.

[@granny58]

In statement analysis that's exact what they said. She's already dead.

[@caramelfrappuccino234]

Very wise

[@andicantu6490]

Plus, the parents wrote December 25th on the tombstone when the ME didn’t know if it was the 25th or 26th she died.

[@latestlindsey5620]

Great video! I just recently started learning about the facts of this case. I majored in criminal justice and I never actually got a job in my field and I feel like I'm waisting my detective mind. haha. The one thing that really stood out to me, was literally five minutes before I watched your video, I watched a video where John Ramsey made a comment about how he did not watch movies and him and Patsy rarely watched movies. I thought the comment was extremely odd and out of place in the interview. There was no reference to watching movies and he basically just added the comment in the interview which I found bizarre. It was bothering me why he made that comment and then I came across your video. The fact that the ransom note contained movie references is crazy. I feel someone in that house has the answers and it's a shame that probably no one will find out what happened.

[@Adara007]

This is a case which definitely has many problematic matters, and was one that saw me become interested in forensic issues. Thank you for dealing with this crime and the various individuals involved and especially for your deadpan humour analysing this case! I happen to think Patsy wrote that 'ransom note' and that the killer(s) were in the family.

[@justatexasgirl5583]

Kybele Kordax I agree.

[@jolielaide2494]

yup. the ransom note is what seals the deal for me that the killer was within the family also. Too Hinky!

[@Ac2091-x1f]

A and the specific amount of money they were asking for too,same as the fathers Christmas bonus.

[@rainstreet78]

I agree. James Kolar's book does a brilliant job in debunking the intruder theory. Also, if you look at the kind of person Patsy was, it makes sense that she would cover for Burke rather than risk losing him. It would have been a black mark on the family's reputation, and Patsy was very into the image of the 'perfect' family.

[@MrStringybark]

@@Ac2091-x1f The problem with using a specific amount the same as the bonus is this. Would you write a note like that to hide a crime you've committed and use a specific amount in such a way that could point to you as the perpetrator? Doesn't make sense to me at all. Unless Patsy was especially dimwitted.

[@ThirstyEye]

The ransom note is sooo frickin' WEIRD. Total amateur hour, whoever wrote it. * of course, decades later we are still in the dark, so maybe it was a genius move.

[@tinywalnut6337]

We're not in the dark, though. The cops just didn't press charges.

[@abraham7140]

@Redwood Rebelgirl So can you explain what you think happened that night?

[@ellemontgomery1037]

There is no if’s ands or buts... Patsy wrote that ransom book. A mother would only do that, if it meant she was protecting her husband or another one of her children. Burke probably clobbered her over the head with that humongous flashlight. Why else would it have been wiped clean, and the batteries too? He clobbered her over the head, and the parents staged the rest. Or at least the dad staged it, and patsy’s job was to write that ransom. It was so long because that’s what guilty people do. When a person lies, they talk a lot to cover up their lie. In this case, her lies were in writing... thus the long ransom note.

[@laraantipova389]

@Redwood Rebelgirl The grand jury only heard one side. The evidence against the Ramsey’s is flimsy. Moreover, look at the golden state killer who returned to homes again and again setting up people for murder. This person could have been doing so. Also including unfinished space the home was 11,000 square feet and the family frequently traveled. Moreover, Patsy and John had no evidence of having abused Jonbenet and a forensic pathologist found that Patsy was not mentally ill and John did not have a a past history of sexual abuse. Now that doesn’t mean they are innocent, but there is a long list of suspects, and no one knows what really happened.

[@deeannwebster6030]

I don’t feel right about laughing during the breakdown of this case, but your comments about the letter made me. If only everyone in the world had your sensible point of view.

[@barbaraspector6689]

You didn’t mention JonBenet’s sexual assaults. That is the key to the murder. She was examined multiple times by her pediatrician. These murders are deep and coverups everywhere.

[@OriginalGateKeeper]

Agreed. It was noted on autopsy also. She had vaginal scarring from repeated penetrations.

[@vicksta8875]

AGREED!! 3 Seperate pathologists concurred previous sexual abuse. Dont care about that stupid note. This case a sexual torture pedo cult, that went too far. Total COVERUP by both parents and ALL INVOLVED in the "Cult"....

[@ytalchemy]

Good point. The father did it. He was used to abusing her. The mother knew about it and looked the other way. Then she covered up the crime, just as she had been covering for Ramsey's sexual abuse all those years leading up to the murder.

[@thebigpicture2032]

@@ytalchemy I’m going with the mother did it when her daughter mentioned the abuse and got a whack on the head for crazy talk, accidentally hitting her too hard. They both covered it up with the father eager to contaminate the scene because he put her in the basement while Mommy wrote the note.

[@crabbcake]

I don't think so. It would be pretty dumb to do that then stage something totally insane. A pediatrician is required by law to report abuse and there was nothing ever reported. Only her brother was documented and shown to be continuously hurting and harassing her.

[@pocketnunu]

So much seems staged to me. The whole thing is bizarre.

[@vikramgupta2326]

Yes, and this is another arena in which the police dropped the ball....there are techniques to draw out the perpetrator through appropriate interrogation to make them tip their hand on staged artifacts. I'll bet that wasn't done.

[@xopi2521]

This was his first video I liked because he was funny.

[@Jeremiah7-ox2nj]

The whole thing is frustratingly beyond bizarre.

[@craftchild_9151]

They clearly were well connected with local law enforcement. 😑

[@channelthree9424]

The Boulder police were inexperienced with murder. They were the modern day Keystone cops.

[@gigi9301]

@@channelthree9424 Then they should have sued the Boulder police department, and not let Burke sue CBS for telling the most probable story. Any normal family would have put up a huge reward for information leading to the arrest of the murderer...I've never seen any notice for one cent of reward money; I guess Burke can't spare any loose change after that big lawsuit payout

[@zensbleexperience3470]

Indeed

[@thecove4770]

Such a tragic case. But I nearly lost it when you said, “How would you rate this kidnapping experience?” Shows how ridiculous the situation was and how very likely the parents did it.

[@msgrl4254]

The ransom note said "will call between 8am and 10am tomorrow ". Was that supposed to mean December 26 or 27? It's not specific, but it did say that Jonbenet would be killed if they called the police.

[@thesundog8833]

I've always wondered if an intruder could have been listening on another phone, and when Patsy (even though John says he did in an interview) called the police the person did what they did.

[@JBthree24]

Another attempt by Patsy to throw everybody off. Patsy speaking from beyond the grave again…

[@sigridbuck5032]

AND THEY DID ! BUT AT THE TIME THEY THOUGHT SHE HAD BEEN KIDNAPPED ??

[@jenniferjensen9434]

Police negligence. Just terrible police work. The local cops had no experience in cases like this. Very unfortunate that her killer was never brought to justice.

[@MissYvonneX]

I agree!!! I really want this crime solved in my lifetime!! First-Who’s dna was found on JonBenet??

[@vampireslayer1989]

Her "killer" was Mommie Dearest.

[@5amH45lam]

@@vampireslayer1989 I thought it might have been her brother? He flipped into a rage after JonBenet took some of his pineapple and milk, perhaps? I thought I'd heard this. He then lashed out (he had a temper, apparently, right?), she falls/was pushed, and fatally lands/bangs her head, or whatever. I dunno...!

[@ebayerr]

Jennifer Jensen : Nobody searches the house until 7 hours later?

[@MrStringybark]

@@5amH45lam Straight from a TV show plot. Shame Detective Columbo wasn't about at the time.

[@mrsbluesky8415]

When my son was about 7 I thought he was at home but I couldn’t find him. I looked thru the entire house and outside, every nook & cranny, deep into closets, cabinets etc. Turned out his dad took him somewhere or something- didn’t tell me. The point is when a child is missing, I think most parents would do what I did. No stone unturned.

[@YGardenRose]

That would be me when mine were young. Even when they were teens I made it a point to know their whereabouts.

[@melissal.lanier4823]

Did your husband leave a ransom note?

[@davidroddick91]

But if you found a ransom note, would you have kept searching your house, or called the police?

[@kdburner7356]

@@davidroddick91 great point, police straight away ask questions later

[@beverlyskalstad5354]

@@kdburner7356 was there ever lie detective test taken to rule the parents out.?

[@solfly6]

Ten to fifteen minutes writing the ransom “note”? I recall there also being 1 or 2 practice pages that were found crumbled up in the trash. I would guess that it took the perp much longer than ten or fifteen minutes to compose that.

[@lindaaudet7271]

There was one "practice note" consisting of the words, "Mr. & Mrs. Ramsey."

[@Alotta21]

I remember seeing somewhere that there were a test made to define of how long does it take to write such a ransom note. The result was something around 21,5 minutes - that is when you know exactly what to write. Add time for thinking and a couple of draft notes and that will sum as a pretty long time.

[@realcanadiangirl64]

It was also proven that it was Patsy's pad because the writing from the random note had shown up on the next page

[@hiskey907]

I don't see how they had time late party middle of the nite snack and ramsey up at 5:30

[@hiskey907]

@@realcanadiangirl64 wow

[@considerthelilies91]

Perhaps we will know more when someone gives a deathbed confession

[@bowtoyoursensei554]

Well, if it was Patsy, that ship has sailed.

[@cv6442]

I'm hoping whoever the DNA belongs to has a family member that does 23 and me or something!!

[@toddjohnson271]

John later in life.....spilling it

[@netta96]

​@@toddjohnson271nah

[@christiannusser9976]

I love Dr. Grande´s sarcasm: "It´s like the kidnappers saying to the parents: ´Brush your teeth before you leave the house´, ´Rate from 1 to 5. How much did you like the kidnapping?" 😆

[@classicaldeb]

That was hysterical!

[@doyoulikedags3534]

@@mushmouth1873 Slow down Captain Justice.

[@mikeandrews1899]

Yeah... I can't appreciate his "sarcasm" .... And I generally like sarcasm. Maybe it's the circumstances involved , a small child's murder probably not a topic to implement sarcasm . He seems more satirical in his discourse to me

[@drones7838]

i know its great, partly why i keep coming back. just waiting for the jokes to drop

[@NellieFly]

IKR?

[@elizeleroux6388]

Just like it is, John Ramsey went 8 hours later, very suspicious, straight down to the basement, any normal parent would immediately search whole house first, without anyone needing to tell them

[@shaharazon2449]

Yes He had to find the body first so he could contaminate the scene with his Dna since his was already there so It was urgent he find it first even if it looked suspicious

[@traceysumner4781]

Not when the first thing you see it the ransome note on the stairs as you come downstairs.

[@SJ-ni6iy]

The police botched this! How unprofessional is a police department that doesn’t work on Christmas? So many questions could have been answered if they had done their job.

[@QueenBee-gx4rp]

@@SJ-ni6iy And now I doubt we’ll ever know.

[@darkhorse9472]

@Elize Le Roux. JonBenet wasn't LOST...the note said she was KIDNAPPED. Get it? Patsy immediately call 911, and police were there in minutes, and began to search for clues, they didn't search for HER. What is wrong with you?

[@Dei1751____]

Solving this should be easy. Find out who knows how to spell attaché, they’re the killer.

[@Jeremiah7-ox2nj]

Ah HA! You just incriminated yourself. You spelled that word correctly! So why'd you do it?

[@dprcontracting6299]

It's a French word and the note said they were from a small Foreign faction. The police should have sent someone to Paris for an extended investigation to interview all the residents!

[@randolphtimm6031]

@@dprcontracting6299 I thought they did! 🤓 Btw, how do you make that funny looking e with the mark on top?? Interesting, I was down at the courthouse on some business a couple days after this broke and the subject of attache came up. I had no idea what we were discussing at the time.

[@dprcontracting6299]

​@@randolphtimm6031 ha ha ha! For microsoft word it is CTRL ' then the letter. Hope you are well over there!

[@randolphtimm6031]

@@dprcontracting6299 Ok. Thanks! I've always wondered. Pretty well, thanks. Hope you are, too.🙂

[@m8s4lif]

No way getting around it, the DNA was an enormous factor. Could the DNA have been planted? Beats me! The old saying that "Sometimes the truth is stranger than fiction." could apply here. I can see why many people believe it was from within their family. If I was on a jury in this case, I would be going "I don't know what to believe". I sure would like to see who that DNA belonged to. Great job again Dr. Grande.

[@sciencenotstigma9534]

It was touch DNA on the child’s clothing. Touch DNA is commonly transferred from factory workers, clerks, etc. If you put on new clothing (in her case, if her new underwear were just out of the packaging), it could have someone’s DNA on it, maybe more than one person’s. I think too much has been made of the DNA, in this case.

[@m8s4lif]

@@sciencenotstigma9534 I see your point about the DNA. This brings up some questions. Have they traced the DNA to someone who would have had a reason to have touched the underwear? Had the underwear ever been washed after purchase? I still come to the conclusion that if I had been on a jury, I would not know what to believe. Maybe someone smarter than me would know what to think. {But I just don't want to ask my wife what she thinks.} Have a great new year.

[@NoSpam1891]

@@sciencenotstigma9534 But you don't find one person working in two different factories making clothes for one child. Clothing is made all over the world. Bangladesh and Saudi Arabia are 2 examples.

[@maxalberts2003]

@@m8s4lif When my kid was Jon Benet's age, I would AWAYS wash any new underwear I bought for him before letting him wear it. As did my parents and grandparents before me. If Patsy Ramsey had a cleanliness/tidiness fetish like most middle class housevives, you can bet that ALL of her daughter's clothes were washed prior to having been worn.

[@maxalberts2003]

@@sciencenotstigma9534 I don't know of ANY middle class housewives who wouldn't launder their children's new underthings before allowing their children to wear them. None. Zero.

[@HarleyX666]

I tear my house apart looking for the god damn remote let alone my daughter. Sketchy smh.

[@YGardenRose]

Me too! I’d be searching every inch inside and out

[@unicorn7171]

People usually don't search for something they know where it is, if you know what I mean 😬

[@darkhorse9472]

@Tara You're comparing misplacing your remote control to a kidnapping? The Ramsey's massive home was over 7,000 s/f. To put that into perspective for you, it had 5 bedrooms, 8 bathrooms, 2 staircases and 4 floors. JonBenet's parents checked both kid's bedrooms, and immediately called 911. Nothing wrong with that! Police were there within minutes and began a search of the home.

[@gigi9301]

@@darkhorse9472 Burke, your Freak Parents were retarded to have let marked cop cars and all their friends come over, IF they really believed that G-Damn letter, and they were/are both intelligent people. Why invite everyone over and no one to stay with you, poor little guy?? Nice Job on the lawsuit, BTW!! Clap Clap! How about putting up at least a million or so up for reward money for the REAL KILLER? I DARE YOU

[@gigi9301]

@@darkhorse9472 Clown, every time you mention the size of the house, your numbers keep going up. I have a 4,000 sf house; when we couldn't find our cat, we split up and I started at the top, him at the bottom. 15 minutes later, found the cat curled up in the clothes dryer. You're only making yourself look more pathetic every time you mention the size of the house. Say Hello to Linn Wood for me, will ya?? Seems like he can get anybody out of anything; forward me his digits if you don't mind. Nice that you shared him as a lawyer with Dr Phil when you went on his show with that shit-eating grin still plastered on your face. Please hire a coach or take some medicine for that super irritating problem. What was his cut for that sweet SWEET CBS settlement?? Anyway, you can buy yourself a lot of pineapple now; are you still wearing depends/adult diapers at night, Burke?

[@sandrajohnston1785]

It’s always one set of rules for the wealthy and another for everyone else.

[@CC-xn5xi]

The police botched the case by not securing the house.

[@CC-xn5xi]

@@jaysonb.6669 Prove it. Give us the photo!

[@Tawroset]

Amen to that.

[@CrissieLuckey]

Amen, Sister Sandra! You said it all in bottom one line: Money will bail you out of jail for a lifetime when you kill your kid or steal from every client who did business with scumbag murderous Dad.

[@auntbarbara5576]

Amen Sandra!! 👍

[@IbnBahtuta]

"Listen carefully"? That is what you would say if the message was verbal. Hmm

[@waltersobchak7275]

Daddy was reading it off to mommy and she was writing it

[@driverslqqk7940]

You make the best videos and analyzations on all of these myriad of cases from long time ago to the present there are very well thought out and it would be hard for anyone to punch any holes in any of your theories and your decision making process of what you think happens in crimes that you make videos of I really enjoy watching you and you have taught me a lot about how the human mind works especially the criminal mind and what things stand out that most people would overlook keep making your videos have a great day Dr grande.

[@bgregg55]

It speaks volumes about the local police department when an investigation is so incredibly botched.

[@margeebechyne8642]

Exactly. And how much malice they had toward this family is totally unprofessional.

[@barbieblues7639]

It says a lot more about the country in question.

[@margeebechyne8642]

@@barbieblues7639 I can't agree with that. The country, as a whole, was horrified. That's why we are still discussing this case. Most crimes are solved in this country because we expect the police to do a good job and solve them. This case rankled because they failed so spectacularly.

[@hectorruiz3298]

In my experience, long notes are written for scams or to lie. Whenever I post something for sale a car, bicycle scammers send me offers at full price with the story that they cannot pick up the item and the long reason why. How does this relate? because whoever wrote the note, guilty of the action, feels its necessary to convince the seriousness of the note.

[@vickijohnson9704]

I think it was someone the Ramseys knew who wanted to frame them and get his rocks off at the same time.

[@eftsoulpath333]

AMEN! Legitimate is always short and 'sweet'!

[@marian6593]

That's very true. I remember hearing a psychologist saying that people who are lying tend to be excessively detailed whereas true statements are generally quite concise.

[@melissal.lanier4823]

@@marian6593 So let me get this straight.. the person who breaks in and steals children, rapes them and then kills them is a person who is not only logical, but of sound mind. got it.

[@weezieburger1451]

Some people are just wordy. The ransom note wording was stilted and did not sound legitimate.

[@ddivar8149]

I cant believe they didnt search the house from top to bottom to begin with. Bizarro

[@catgirl6803]

I think because they stopped looking when the found the note. The note indicates she was kidnapped so they didn't think she was in the house at that point.

[@darkhorse9472]

@@catgirl6803 You're absolutely right. John & Patsy quickly checked JonBenet's room and Burke's room. Patsy then IMMEDIATELY called 911. Nothing wrong with that! Plus, the Ramsey home was over 7,000 s/f and 4 floors, right? Just to put that into perspective, there were 8 bathrooms alone in their home.

[@catgirl6803]

@@darkhorse9472 Yes! The size of the house is never mentioned. It's tough to tell it's size from the outside. This also supports the theory that Burke has that I believe (my comment below), that someone hid in the house all night after being allowed in during the neighborhood holiday open house. If the house was that big, someone could definitely hide unnoticed all night.

[@zeusmasterson4117]

@@catgirl6803 It’s not just the size of the house- the basement was a warren of small rooms opening to other small rooms. John Ramsey untied the garrote immediately when he found her body. If he had staged the scene, the whole point was for others to see that. He wouldn’t “unstage” it before any investigators saw it.

[@darkhorse9472]

@@zeusmasterson4117 Great point.

[@gregoryaz8406]

Reading and seeing a number of takes on this fascinating case over the years, I was interested in hearing what you had to say. In my opinion, the best analysis I've seen has been from former head of the FBI Profiling unit, John E. Douglas, in his book The Cases That Haunt Us. He seems to give more credence than you to the exculpatory factors regarding the parents, but your thoughts are otherwise pretty interesting. To your point about the police making a mistake pushing the Ramseys into getting legal representation early, I think there is no shortage of mistakes the Boulder Police made, including not controlling the crime scene (admitting visitors, sending John and friend to search the house), solely focusing on the Ramseys as suspects initially, misinterpretation of evidence, etc. The lack of a united front in the department has also led to a lot of mostly-misinformed hounding of this family by "hobbyists."