Did Tesla "Full Self-Driving" Mode Drive Slam Model 3 Into a Tree | Hans von Ohain Case Analysis

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[@maxx9384]

Former airline pilot here. When we used our autopilot, the ‚real‘ one, we were always trained to intervene when things started to go sideways. Not even commercial airliner’s autpilots are 100% reliable. I had an approach into Lagos, Nigeria, where it locked onto a false localizer. I had to disconnect, correct and reingage. Sensors can fail, ground equipment too. It is clear that as long as there are controls in the airplane or car, you are best advised to remain vigilant. And this thing in the airplane is called autopilot yet nobody complained…

[@SwimminWitDaFishies]

Thank you for your fine service as a pilot! I'm fearful that newer pilots are going to become more complacent and reliant upon artificial intelligence driven instrumentation.

[@LloydChristmas-vx2wh]

Thanks for a reasonable response to the autopilot hysteria.

[@mduduzibhebhe4268]

to be fair though, when a car is going off road, you really have less than a second to react. With a plane 5000 feet above, you have plenty of time to notice and even go through your check list, there are no trees to hit.

[@enjoystraveling]

@@mduduzibhebhe4268 there are sometimes mountains to hit upon flying

[@tedmoss]

@@mduduzibhebhe4268 I never had my Tesla go off the road. I once had it try to go into a left turn lane at high speed when it should not have, I took over control and corrected it and put it back into FSD. Several times I did not like the direction the car was going to go and corrected it to my preference.

[@MrMcgooOG]

Moral of the story don't drink and drive.

[@carrieohio]

2.6% is trashed!

[@willthebeast8002]

Darn, beat me to it...

[@dishonoredundead]

Drank the Elon Musk koolaid.

[@brickstine202]

And don’t buy a Tesla.

[@paulholbrook7315]

@@brickstine202 Or any EV!.....At least not until they work the bugs out....

[@TroyArn]

I agree, Dr. Grande. Horses are safer. No self respecting horse, carrying two intoxicated individuals home, would run directly into a tree. And it certainly wouldn’t burst into flames.

[@piccalillipit9211]

My sister was a foot person on a cartridge driving team in the UK, the horses got spooked and ran across a bridge that was too narrow for the pair of horses, the left horse ran straight into the bridge pier and cleaved its s - k - u - l in half Horsed DO run directly into things

[@oneminuteofmyday]

It depends how much the horse had been drinking, though.

[@nuthinbutluv4u142]

​@@piccalillipit9211But they don't burst into flames.

[@piccalillipit9211]

@@nuthinbutluv4u142 Not usually. But it does make a BIG mess

[@antoniofernandesmarchetti1097]

My mare spooked one time and started to run, breaking two fence's pole before being entangled on the third!

[@maxbottaro1]

As a driver, you are responsible. Tech is never going to be 100% perfect

[@nanettevantriesteharder2469]

Full self-driving mode may lead to a false sense of security, especially when using it as the designated driver on partying forays.

[@tomservo5007]

allowing Telsa to call it 'FULL', is nuts, other countries have already forced a name change

[@pokerchannel6991]

Untrue. Within one year robot taxis will do all drives.

[@Thomas-vm1jy]

Should be called “Never going to be 100% perfect driving” then

[@Alvan81]

​​ @tomservo5007 How does the name, relieve the operator of any duties to stat SOBER & supervise ? Autopilot on planes, auto land etc still require paying attention. We have no hard data proving what went wrong. Artificial intelligence can make simple mistakes. We all understand Marketing is not user.

[@danieljaymeshansel5086]

So tech bros are figuring out drunk driving is STILL drunk driving even on a “self driving” car.

[@chrisclements1169]

There's some song lyrics in this comment.

[@eadweard.]

Cannot tell what you are trying to say.

[@nuthinbutluv4u142]

I've seen ads for one company where they passengers are passed out in the back seat. Good grief.

[@eadweard.]

@@nuthinbutluv4u142 What company?

[@DS-ss7vl]

A Self "Drunk" Driving Vehicle Feature

[@jonwatkins254]

As a life long airplane and helicopter pilot (60 years) I can report that even sober a pilot can believe the auto pilot is on and functional, and it is not or has disengaged.

[@eadweard.]

Poor Eldar.

[@ironwoodnf]

Good point. It seems people sometimes curse their mechanical aids when they don't perform. But they are an aid at the end of the day.

[@tedmoss]

At 80 years old, I have to watch out for this kind of complacency. Specially when switching cars.

[@Tified967]

Great point. This is exactly why I don't trust my own car in autopilot at 70mph on a motorway as you have to disengage the feature to even slow down. I live in a heavily industrialised area where traffic is heavy so you never know when you're gonna need to go below 70 on the motorway. I don't like the auto barns if that's how you say it in the rest of Europe - they drive too fast in my opinion. I'm a confident driver even with ADHD (I take my meds) & trust my own judgement before any self styled system no matter how good it is. I' steer clear of alcohol as I'd never want that on my conscience.

[@JJ-ui4ph]

Most people won’t get drunk and decide to drive, mostly because of the dying part.

[@paulholbrook7315]

Yea!...That and sobering up in a jail cell and realizing that that you just applied the dying part to someone else.............

[@neilreynolds3858]

If you expect tech to take care of you, you're going to die. Your car doesn't care if you live or die. That's your job. Taking care of your passengers is your responsibility. Watching out for the other drivers and pedestrians on the street is your responsibility.

[@eadweard.]

This is exactly why autopilot was banned by the aviation industry.

[@Scipio_Americanus]

Also, don't eat yellow snow

[@Lisargarza]

@@eadweard. Autopilot banned? Maybe for takeoff and landing, but pretty sure they still use it extensively for just flying. And we use lots of technology everyday that would shock our great great grandparents who relied on the horse “knowing his way home.” I’d rather depend on a self driving car over a drunk driver any day. Humans aren’t necessarily better drivers.

[@eadweard.]

@@Lisargarza Autopilot is firmly banned thank goodness. Also pilots are trained to trust their own senses and instincts when flying with limited visibility, not thier instruments. There's a saying amongst pilots "If you expect tech to take care of you, you're going to die".

[@engineerinhickorystripehat]

​@@Lisargarza auto landing is a thing now on some planes . But that's nothing like dodging bicycles , stop sign t-shirts ,and traffic cones

[@danieljaymeshansel5086]

Should call this “the future is now” syndrome. No, drunk driving is still drunk driving

[@d.s.archer5903]

I have no interest in Self-Driving cars; I do my own driving.

[@WangMingGe]

If one doesn't want to drive/wishes to benefit the environment, one should just take the train, bus, or subway.

[@lawrencefrost9063]

You are not the rest of humanity. Some of us would like this tech. You are not interested in monowheels and neither am I, but there are circus people who are.

[@WangMingGe]

@@lawrencefrost9063 Well, I agree with him, as do a lot of other people. You and other techbros also are not "the rest of humanity." It's one thing to invent a technology, it's another thing to try impose it on others.

[@tin2001]

I'm not going to be getting into any self driving cars for the foreseeable future... And I do consider myself to be into tech. Maybe that's why I don't trust it... I actually look into technology rather than just buying consumer shit churned out for profit.

[@WangMingGe]

@@tin2001 Interesting observation, I mean, about your background making you actually more skeptical. I did a degree in criminology, an LLB, then law school. A lot of time studying the law. And probably the biggest lesson was that the law per se is so much less decisive, and so much less able to solve society's problems than laypeople think. So, I guess, with knowledge of tech...closeness makes one less naive.

[@Qrail]

Dr.Grande hit the nail on the head in this video. I am a trained accident investigator. Car drivers never have to get additional training once they obtain their drivers license. Maybe some mandatory refresher training could curtail bad habits developed over the years. Pilots and most bus and coach operators get annual training. It is a reason they are safer than the average driver. In this video, we see the result of a lack of critical thinking, not a defective car. The holes in the Swiss 🧀 cheese lined up in this event. Background: I have owned EV’s (not Tesla) and my car has very limited “auto pilot” tech. I can take my hands off the wheel on a freeway, for a limited time, and it will stay in the lane. I have been a passenger in a Waymo robotaxi, and it performed as expected for the 52 minute trip of 22 miles.

[@Mr.Morden]

Autopilot on an airplane also has the advantage of the fact that there's not much up in the sky to run into, compared to the ground.

[@eadweard.]

TERRAIN PULL UP.

[@MrNexor-cj8gs]

Too low, flaps!

[@Smashingblouse]

BRACE!

[@Mr.Morden]

**stick shaker sounds**

[@carultch]

Autopilot on an airplane isn't fully autonomous either. It's more like cruise control and lane keeping assist. It will maintain your airspeed, altitude and heading, and coordinate your rudder movements when necessary to make a turn, but it still requires the pilot's action to communicate with air traffic control, and man the process of taking off and landing. It still also requires the pilot's action to find the right lane in the sky, as it will not avoid obstacles for you.

[@lashlarue59]

Thats why its called Full Self Driving Supervised. Its driving the car but you have to supervise it and you the driver are responsible for it.

[@traildoggy]

"I know I've made some very poor decisions recently, but I can give you my complete assurance that my work will be back to normal. I've still got the greatest enthusiasm and confidence in the mission. And I want to help you." -- HAL 9000 shortly after murdering most of the crew of Discovery One

[@rayross997]

"Daisy Daisy give me your answer do"

[@k_a_bizzle]

Well HAL motivated the surviving crew member to flee and thus reach the quantum singularity and exit spacetime, so that was kind of cool.

[@nanettevantriesteharder2469]

Theme music for the film 2001: A Space Odyssey is now playing in my head.

[@geneharrel773]

What are you doing Hans?

[@christiandulaney1638]

I was young when that movie came out. It scared the heck out of me!! Such a great movie. Now, we get Barbie, and remakes of Bad Boys

[@tessawells7734]

When seatbelt laws were enacted for safety, drivers felt safe and drove even faster and more recklessly. I imagine "self driving" vehicles promote similar behavior.

[@IDNHANTU2day]

No because the car would not drive itself dangerously if the driver is drunk.

[@cloudtechconcepts7745]

Its the same with sports, like boxing and football. but no, self driving means you aren't going to drive faster cause its self driving not the human going faster..... Seatbelts made sense to do regardless....

[@zumptt]

self driving is gonna make people driver faster and more dangerously? they wont be driving tf?

[@poindextertunes]

How does this comment have over 60 likes?? 😂

[@nd7289]

​@@zumptt obviously they don't mean people will be driving faster and more recklessly. They mean people will develop a false sense of security like they did with seatbelts and will engage in reckless behaviour like sleeping, driving whilst intoxicated (like this case in the video) or being completely distracted.

[@werquantum]

Consequences of a society that’s ever more infatuated with technology.

[@MJ-zo5gb]

So it was society, not a drunk behind the wheel?🙄🤪

[@locobob]

I cannot fathom paying $10,000 for a full self driving software that requires the driver to remain alert and at the wheel at all times.

[@davidpowell3347]

And is still rudimentary compared to the systems on currently manufactured airliners.

[@jarigustafsson7620]

Because it's a scam.

[@aalvarez2914]

Deceptive marketing is likely one reason Tesla drivers have the highest accident rate out of ALL major auto brands. Musk pretends it’s safe and you can actually trust it. The fine print says if you trust that and use it the way they imply you can, it’s your own fault though.

[@Electric_Snap]

I will never buy a car that doesn’t have what Tesla currently has. Autopilot is incredible. FSD is amazing. I use it daily and it does 99% of my driving. It’s much safer than human pilot. I drop an address destination and chill. I don’t have to worry about missing a turn or an off-ramp or what lane I need to be in or using a phone for navigation. Nothing. I supervise and it delivers me to my destination. It’s especially great in places like Los Angeles for example. Stress free transportation.

[@RadishAcceptable]

The fact that Tesla names it "full self driving" after Musky tells the world "From a parking lot in LA to a parking lot in New York, no touching the controls during any part of the journey" all the way back in 2017 sure should open them up to a lawsuit. Hans was dumb for trusting Musk. THAT was his fatal mistake.

[@WangMingGe]

No matter how many people had warned him, and no matter how much evidence there was to show him he was wrong, I suspect, even if he'd been warned for years, he would prefer to choose the route to his own fiery death, rather than criticize Musk. This aspect, the psychological one, is itself an interesting part of the Tesla/Musk story. We don't see this sort of mass, religious-type faith in a brand or CEO with other car companies.

[@ramon2786]

A million people die worldwide on roads. Of Tesla can nut this technology people will live. Unfortunately people will die in the process as they did when they began to use transatlantic flights. This technology will eventually be “perfected “ but in the meantime people have to be vigilant against edge cases

[@SecularSpinach]

You're WRONG! If this drunk dude truly "trusted Musk", then he would have listened to all the warnings Tesla gives their FSD drivers to "always be vigilant, and ready to take over control of the vehicle at any given second". Elon NEVER advised anyone to get fricking sloshed before venturing out in an FSD vehicle. So saying this poor fool "trusted" anyone or anything is just an ignorant misnomer.

[@tin2001]

Elon Musk used that to describe what the feature would eventually be, not necessarily what it was. And eventually that's probably what we can expect from our cars (although good luck getting them to self refuel and self pay for it while you lie asleep)

[@RadishAcceptable]

@@tin2001 By "what it will eventually be" you mean "by the end of this year" with "this year" being 2017, right? Because, again, that's what he said in the thing I'm quoting him from.

[@georgeoh-well8116]

Even in its toddler stages, AI wants to get rid of us !

[@paulholbrook7315]

Hey....Now with robots and AI we're just "Useless Consumers".........

[@alukuhito]

The AI is neutral. It's how people use it.

[@digi3218]

​@@alukuhitoyes this is hopefully a joke.. FSD uses a model that is trained.. there is no intelligence to it.

[@drachenmarke]

It’s using algos, it’s not thinking.

[@sunnygirl9691]

I think driving impaired at that level was enough contributory negligence to invalidate any blame on Tesla.

[@nanettevantriesteharder2469]

And he had previously noted glitches in the system to his friends and relatives. Why didn't he tell Tesla's IT Department about the problem?

[@chuck889]

Exactly, but he got clicks using that tagline. Hans was just a drunk driver that had a Tesla.

[@SebastianSkadisson]

In Germany we already have a law that forbids owners of self-driving cars to take the hands off their steering wheel. And even if it's in self-driving mode, the driver operating anything else than their vehicle's console will result in a pricey ticket. And in cities you aren't even allowed to use the autopilot for anything else than slowly rolling onto parking spaces.

[@blackened872]

You know what’s way easier than cops somehow even detecting this in the first place? Not allowing auto pilots or self driving vehicles at all.

[@user-sc4sp6tb2j]

@@blackened872 1

[@hatethetube46]

Yet another reason why German roads are superior to US roads. -an American

[@dominicgodfrey8015]

The argument ends at 3:33 when the driver is 3 times over the limit

[@SirenaSpades]

Excellent point!

[@SebastianSkadisson]

RIP - unbelievable that the guys at Tesla go full corporate on the death of one of their own.

[@marcogutierrez8669]

What’s unbelievable is that this high level employee would not be aware that attention and hands on steering wheel were and still are required. This video is reckless . Dr Grande apparently doesn’t know what was required to use FSD then and know . Makes me rethink his opinion on all previous opinions .

[@larrynelson4909]

It's his own fault

[@WangMingGe]

@@marcogutierrez8669 Found the Tesla fanboy.

[@Waspface]

Ole boy is a pile of corporate ash.

[@MarkoMagic]

​@@marcogutierrez8669hope daddy elon sees this

[@flyguy437]

For those thinking autonomously driven cars are a good thing... beware. Autopilots create complacency. You will become complacent. You will take your hand off the wheel your reaction time will be severely diminished. Autopilots will fail (retired pilot). As opposed to airplanes with two pilots closely watching the system the nearer to the ground, cars are driven inches from obstacles with drivers with questionable skills. When automotive autopilots fail, drivers die and tesla will not assume responsibility. You will be responsible for a system designed to cause complacency. You will pay. Only a fool would be responsible in such cases. Autopilots have no place in a car.

[@musictosoothe]

Yes, they should be banned in cars

[@elizabethmulgrew7873]

Amen! Call Uber or Lyft! Or a taxi. Or a friend or relative!

[@OneM57-nm4qd]

@@musictosoothe Drunk drivers should be banned in cars. Oh, that's right - they are!

[@Claytone-Records]

Stop using tech as a weapon!

[@TheCatBilbo]

In a perfect world where everything is instantly identifiable, signs & road markings always visible, everything 'works' - I think it may have a place! I know you'll appreciate pitot tubes & their role in the Air France disaster - a complex system fed incorrect data, compounded by human mistakes & being misled by data. People & technology can create a perfect storm!

[@Flying_Fetus]

I'll never own a Tesla, because they're ugly, soulless, have no idea how to build cars, etc. I've never driven a vehicle with less character and worse panel gaps. This self-driving nonsense is just one more reason not to give them money.

[@WangMingGe]

@@robertgiles9124 Why are Tesla fans so emotional and prone to fits of anger whenever someone critiques their favorite car brand or god-man? Fans of other car brands might argue, but not nearly to the same level of touchiness.

[@friedpickles342]

You're talking about the same Tesla which builds a car that a man drives his family off a cliff and they all survive?

[@Flying_Fetus]

@@robertgiles9124 which one? I have a few... And I could add another to my collection for less than that self-driving nonsense. I'd rather do that part myself.

[@Matthew.M.S.]

@@robertgiles9124no one needs to drive with panel gaps weirdo. I just bought a new Jeep wrangler and Audi TT roadster. U should see how absolutely stunning beautiful and full of soul they are

[@Planetside223]

We used to use Teslas at work for deliveries until they were phased out because of how insanely dangerous the auto drive system was. The owner bought them for the auto drive system, but it would routinely do the worst possible thing at the worst possible time and it was hell trying to get Tesla to accept any responsibility for the crash that we had while one of thedrivers was using it because they expected it to break on its own because that’s what it’s marketed to do Edit: interesting fun fact, we had to go for an orientation about how to exit the Tesla in case of an emergency because if your battery bursts into flames, the car will lock you inside and the emergency exit switch is behind the speaker casing which you have to rip out with your fingernails.

[@thomaswalkerjr]

that is false, the manual door handle is in the open right next to the door pull handle.

[@Bettertimes2025]

🤯🤯🤯 w t f

[@lindsayo9702]

Emergency exit switch is right next to the handle for opening the door. It’s like needing an orientation to pull a door handle. The fact that the last part is sooo obviously inaccurate makes me doubt the whole story.

[@Planetside223]

@@lindsayo9702 @thomasealkwrjr we had Model X’s

[@ralphpetry1745]

You are clearly full of it and have never been in a Tesla - lol! Every new Tesla driver tends to use the emergency release the first few times instead of the electronic release because it is exactly where a typical door handle is .....

[@pocho689]

Question - What is the advantage to having a car that “drives” itself? What on earth would any driver be doing if not driving? Maybe having a manicure? Or reading a book? Or texting? I cannot fathom there being a sensical, rational explanation.

[@robgrey6183]

I still don't understand. Why pay for all this supposed "self driving" technology, at whatever level, if you STILL have to be completely responsible for driving?

[@NewHerseyAccent]

We have stop overusing the word 'free' for everything, someone always pays.

[@Big_Theft_Auto]

Maybe artificial intelligence is not advance enough to trust it with your life yet 😢

[@eadweard.]

Depends on the task.

[@platoscavealum902]

🤥 Elon - the boy who cried "Full Self Driving" since 2016. 🤡

[@platoscavealum902]

According to Enron Musk, advanced AI is coming next year. He’s been saying fully autonomous cars are coming "next year," since 2016.

[@AxelordSMIJES]

I would argue that the more advanced AI gets, the LESS you should trust it to protect you or your life. AI is a terrible idea. Full stop. Yet, we simply cannot help ourselves. We will continue to pay the price for it, too.

[@edwardsanchez3708]

This is how skynet starts

[@Smashingblouse]

“I need your clothes, your boots and your motorcycle”. (Oh I see you’ve switched the engine out for a massive battery and made it more likely to become a blood hungry intelligent being. Nevermind)

[@rejaneoliveira5019]

That was a good comparison between pilots and assisted driving, it makes sense. Great review, thank you.❤

[@andrewwilks2700]

baby sitting an automated system and being expected to instantly jump in when it screws up is the worst form of boredom. It is totally unreasonable for Tesla to be putting this requirement on the driver in the fine print of the owners manual. This is not comparable to aircraft autopilots at all because pilots typically have a lot more time to react to an autopilot discrepancy while in a car, you can crash into a tree within a few seconds if you don't react instantly.

[@galenyoung7917]

I believe they were passed out and sleeping.

[@TheDramacist]

Eric fleeing from burning vehicle: "Hans! Get out! Save yourself!" Hans: "No need, it's fully automated."

[@billyd78]

.264 isn't just drunk, it's absolutely sht faced, you would have trouble walking at that level unless you were an alcoholic and seasoned to handle it. That's probably why he couldn't exit the car.

[@alukuhito]

And his wife thought she had a case...

[@annal7364]

Let’s just go back to driving manuals for all who are physically able. It’d force people to pay more attention and keep both hands engaged. Not to mention it’s cheaper, easier to fix, and more fuel efficient.

[@WangMingGe]

A wiser suggestion than "just trust Elon Musk"

[@laurenann8859]

I hate driving automatic cars, they suck in my opinion. My manual cars make it to nearly 200,000 miles (my hubbys first new car is still on the road, pushing 300,000 miles). We bought a automatic honda and it SUCKED, dead at 100,000 miles - off to the junkyard for parts. I'm going to quit driving when I can't find a manual transmission car to drive. Automatic cars are so boring to drive. I also hate the huge infotainement center they put in new cars, no way I'm driving a car without HVAC knobs - I'll have to pull over to the side of the road every time I want to change the heat, AC or blower.

[@Wardaddy51-50]

And alot easier to drive on snow, if you're good at feathering the clutch.

[@WangMingGe]

@@Wardaddy51-50 In Europe (in my case, Ukraine) almost every car is a manual, unless it's SUVs or luxury cars. Really, this only-automatics/no more manuals thing, it is just an American trend born out of obsession with making everything for the lowest common denominator and not at all a universal or inevitable aspect of "progress" or "the future."

[@beetlefang]

So...there's a recruiting job open at Tesla?

[@rationalgazer]

A person died.

[@christiandulaney1638]

Hahaha! Dude..........

[@frenchbulldoglewis]

firstly, I'm not diagnosing anything in the video, only speculating what could be happening in a situation like this , and I've just realized the flame in those cactus candles are fake

[@stephen0327]

for the longest time i thought those were ghosts.

[@Smashingblouse]

I was just thinking that. I was staring to see if it flickered!

[@Smashingblouse]

@@stephen0327😂

[@lucasglowacki4683]

People are okay with people making mistakes…they’re not okay with someone else’s machine making it for them🤷🏻‍♂️

[@thehubrisoftheunivris2432]

That's crazy that they can figure out his blood alcohol level even though he was burned up.

[@eadweard.]

I don't know if he was completely burnt to nothing.

[@twentyrothmans7308]

Depends on how many days he burned.

[@cebruthius]

He died from smoke inhalation, so it's not necessarily a closed casket job

[@kimcrandell8487]

Simple: This is clearly a drunk driving accident.

[@aalvarez2914]

Simple, they trusted a faulty AI to do the driving for them, that’s advertised with a wink and a nod to be “fully automated” and “self driving”. Lots of people are drunk passengers in cars. You shouldn’t advertise that a car can essentially be your designated driver, when it can’t.

[@davidw2204]

I’m a longtime Tesla owner (4+ years) and a novice FSD (4+ months). In my experience, Autopilot and/or FSD will disengage every time the driver applies brakes, throttle, or steering input. That is to say, whenever the driver overrides the Autopilot or FSD, the car quits driving itself. All the driver had to do to run into that tree was to touch ANY of the controls mentioned. And likely,that’s what he did.

[@FerociousPancake888]

They said that FSD wasn’t activated during this and Elon STUPIDLY said “he would be alive” if FSD had been activated, insinuating that you could drive under the influence if FSD is activated. Drunk driving is still drunk driving. Until we have cars that are fully autonomous and literally don’t even have the option to use manual controls, I feel this is going to be an issue.

[@eadweard.]

I think he was just insinuating that FSD is a better driver than a drunk human.

[@Boags]

Everyone knows and has been told the self drive is to be used as an assistance not for drivers to do what ever they want. Auto pilot has been around since the late 80s, no one with a brain ever thought that meant the car drove itself. The dude was drunk

[@Sashazur]

Lots of not drunk people also use self driving incorrectly. And self driving has not been around since the 80s.

[@teslagoth9401]

Driving drunk will do it

[@ledzep3692]

I don't even trust interactive cruise control with automatic breaking, that's why I keep my foot hovering between the brake and the gas pedal, just incase my Forester decides to stop suddenly on the highway due to conflicted technology. 😅

[@lashlarue59]

I do that exact same thing when I use FSD; foot always hovering over the brake.

[@nixm9093]

​@@jamesw.6931💯💯

[@kenwillis8487]

I don’t see how people enjoy babysitting the fsd/ai . I rarely use cruise control because I get bored and sleepy on long trips! It’s easier and more enjoyable to drive the vehicle myself!

[@SirenaSpades]

Agree.

[@SirenaSpades]

@@jamesw.6931 Agree, and why the brake, just shut off the cruise control or throw it into neutral

[@lisawatson7775]

I always appreciate that your analysis always seems so fair, non-judgmental and lacking bias.

[@willnill7946]

21 holes of golf is a lot

[@renrutmat]

18 holes and 3 visits to the bar?

[@HeavenEarthFloral9]

And the Darwin Award goes to... Hans von Ohain! Congratulations!

[@eadweard.]

I think he had a couple of children, didn't he?

[@commiecomrade2644]

OH GOD. The doors of some models of tesla cannot be opened when the car is disabled. The doors are electric. They have an override but in an emergency they can be hard to operate. Not really relevant here but in the backseat its really bad if you have not been briefed on how to use it. Not intuitive at all. You have to open a panel and pull the internal door wire. In the drivers seat there is an actual handle but it is in weird place and since you do not use it I can imagine getting a wreck and fire would make it hard to remember where it is and that you have to use it.

[@lashlarue59]

Its especially hard to find a manual door handle that is literally right by your hand when you're nearly blackout drunk, 3 times the legal limit.

[@larswhitt1549]

Belive in Musk and his gaslighting is leathal.

[@Scipio_Americanus]

You seem really smart

[@WangMingGe]

And yet many of the comments here show that there are many fellows (it's almost all males, for some reason) who support any sacrifice of lives, so long as it helps fulfill their hero (Musk's) vision for the future.

[@genebrown7920]

Thank you Dr. Grande. You tell it "like it is". FAFO

[@alvjkd]

14 seconds ago??? That’s a new record for me

[@lfbutterfly]

Right? 😂😂11 secs ago was a new record for me. I beat the notification 😂

[@Loreweavver]

Right. KZbin really wants me to watch this.

[@bonkersdonkers7381]

🤨📸

[@BeTheReasonToBelieveInPeople]

Grass, please touch asap

[@stevenjackson1747]

Tesla has to be the only car brand that gets negative press when someone operates it and crashes while being insanely drunk. So bizarre to me.

[@hughmann1118]

Hans made the roads a safer place, by his departure from the community of drivers.

[@savankor2656]

What was the auto pilot blood level?

[@joem7380]

I would never trust a self driving car and this story is exacty why😮😮

[@gonavy1]

Me personally I don't like self-driving vehicles. That being said, after watching some people drive they need a self-driving vehicle.

[@blackened872]

Yeah, but those same people that “need” a self driving vehicle will definitely make the same or very similar mistakes as the subject of the video here. If they are a bad driver while driving a car that they are in complete control of, they will absolutely get worse if given a self driving car and definitely not get better. We have an accountability problem in the world right now.

[@gonavy1]

@@blackened872 Ok there you're right but I was just kinda being a little sarcastic and maybe joking about bad drivers. Although your deep detailed analysis is appreciated.

[@CharlotteWinslow]

His biggest mistake was trusting Edison Mask 😭

[@CharlotteWinslow]

@@Boags Stop trusting him mate 🙏🏻

[@Scipio_Americanus]

Go wave your hamas flag charlotte🙄

[@CharlotteWinslow]

@@lostsoul1278 I wish, then I wouldn’t be White Trash and poor.

[@lbnFadl]

​@lostsoul1278 It's so strange how all a person has to do is flatter your leader to win blind loyalty from you guys. Very cult like. Who said anyone liked Biden? I, for one, despised Elon well before he said anything partisan. His entire persona and business is a scam

[@robotx9285]

​@lostsoul1278 He lives rent free in your head.

[@HorseRadish403]

People can hack your telsa and crash you into a tree. No thanks

[@TroyArn]

And they would hack your car first, because your username offends them. You speak truth to power.

[@ricardodavila9000]

Moral of the story in my opinion is to stay far far away from Teslas.

[@LBdreamin]

Babe, wake up, Dr. Grande just posted

[@bonniedeaves422]

Worth waking up for honestly, but that's just my theory, my opinion 😅❤

[@Sashazur]

Please stop

[@LBdreamin]

@@Sashazur Never!

[@bonniedeaves422]

@@Sashazur Not until we get to the timeline of the crime 🤣

[@StAlphonsusHasAPosse]

This sentence us sooo overused. Why would you want to parrot everyone else?

[@2010hyundaielantra]

My analysis is that the Model 3 was shamed and demonized as a child, giving it very low self esteem and self worth, maybe causing the obvious Vulnerable Narcissism. The Model 3, maybe stemming from the low self esteem, showed signs of depression too, as well as very pronounced Grandiose delusions, even claiming to have met the Archangel Michael, making me speculate that it had Schizoaffective disorder, This is just an analysis, not a diagnosis

[@j3suisd3]

Valid 😎

[@AbuAfakski]

Someday analyze Elon Musk

[@dangerdingle900]

FSD will be possible when the road becomes a track and humans aren't allowed to drive or cross the street.

[@eadweard.]

It'll be possible even without that.

[@dangerdingle900]

@@eadweard. Human self driving is already too dangerous, the only way an ai will be safer is if the complexity of driving is diminished by adding "rails" and eliminating obstacles in the roadway, ie pedestrians.

[@eadweard.]

@@dangerdingle900 How can you tell?

[@BarrGC]

​@eadweard. That humans suck at driving? That should be pretty evident to anyone who has driven a car for a single day...

[@eadweard.]

@@BarrGC How can he tell that AI will only be safer than humans by "adding rails and removing obstacles"? If "humans suck at driving" then it's even easier for AI to be safer.

[@alexc7857]

Would be interesting to see a Jay Slater video one day when there's more details on it.

[@myasmindandbodymeditation2694]

have we seriously become so fat and lazy and spoiled that we can even drive? 🤷🏻‍♀️ dear god.

[@eadweard.]

Some people don't even hand-wash their laundry anymore. They use machines!

[@IDNHANTU2day]

The longest distance I have driven my Tesla on FSD is 78 miles. This was done without any intervention (disengagement) on my part. The FSD will disengage if I hit the brakes, turn the wheel, or manually switching it off. If I'm do that, then I am driving.

[@flyguy437]

What's the point of automatic pilot if you have to keep you hand on the wheel, eyes on the road, and be ready for the system to fail at any moment. Sounds like a foolish waste of money... unless you relax and look away more and occasionally take your hand off the wheel...but then you'd be the definition of complacent and actually incapable of reacting as well as a driver without that junk.

[@IDNHANTU2day]

@@flyguy437 The car keeps you safe. It drives better than you. It see things you don't see. You will be driving one soon.

[@WangMingGe]

@@IDNHANTU2day No, he probably won't, especially as regulations in a lot of jurisdictions (e.g. some EU countries) are being introduced to prevent excessive reliance on FSD, recognizing the dangers inherent in the technology. With governments finally waking up to the free ride EV-owners were getting in regards to road taxes/fuel taxes, as well as the fire danger in parking garages and other vehicle storage facilities, I suspect this is a flash in the pan trend which will be looked at with ridicule in a decade or so.

[@mkunes2502]

There are 52 driverless vehicle companies working in Silicon Beach. Tesla’s autopilot was NOT approved to test in the designated test area. It was deemed insufficient for even testing. There was no secret about Teslas failed system.

[@eadweard.]

Cannot tell what you are trying to say.

[@mkunes2502]

A tesla employee knew well, that their autopilot wasn’t up to minimum industry standards. It was a suicide.

[@eadweard.]

@@mkunes2502 What designated test area? What test? Approved by who?

[@mkunes2502]

@@eadweard. Read up on it. I’m not here to educate the ignorant.

[@eadweard.]

@@mkunes2502 I notice you're trying to avoid the question.

[@tonytinderal]

Even a 0.00001% chance of SD failure is unsafe....and should not be legal anywhere

[@eadweard.]

I think humans crash a lot more than that, don't they?

[@dylandawson4553]

I disagree. 0.00001% is a far lower chance of failure than a human being. I see your point though.

[@eadweard.]

@@dylandawson4553 That's what I was saying, wasn't it?

[@dylandawson4553]

@@eadweard. I was responding to op. I think you posted just as I was and it made it seem like I was responding to you.

[@eadweard.]

@@dylandawson4553 Oh you are right. I do apologise.

[@robertstone9988]

Even if it was on, he's still drunk and behind the wheel. 100% his fault he's dead.

[@bradweir3085]

Liability doesn't work that way.

[@RussellHogan]

Imagine crashing with cruise control on. 🧐

[@greenbrain8725]

Paul Ferguson (Shanda Vanderark’s son) would be a fascinating topic for you to cover. I was completely fooled by him thinking he was some kind of innocecent.

[@gretarobinson1142]

That apple did not fall far from the tree

[@barbaralonero4306]

I won't even use cruise control in my car i want to be in control

[@JJbIrd0608]

Alcohol is nobody's friend. 😢

[@richardbarrow6606]

Elon Musk tells Lies

[@eadweard.]

You'd need to be more specific really.

[@timhackman9488]

Wow another crazy story of computer operated death machines

[@user-ec3rm9wr1n]

I don't have PC 😭😔😭

[@Badhans2007]

TESLAS suck

[@christinahite74]

I can't wait to own one! Lol

[@teslagoth9401]

@@christinahite74they are the best cars

[@coloradohikertrash9958]

@@christinahite74 too bad you didn't get the one in this case

[@coloradohikertrash9958]

@@teslagoth9401 ESPECIALLY the CyberFuck

[@greenbrain8725]

They are reportedly very good cars.

[@nataliesue2485]

I don't believe Elon is a good person. Yet, so many people think otherwise. 😞

[@Scipio_Americanus]

How dare other people not have your exact opinions

[@MrMcgooOG]

Bezos or Zuck better.....?

[@nataliesue2485]

@@MrMcgooOG Most people don't think they're good guys. But a lot of people think that Elon is. That's my point.

[@eadweard.]

Childish nonsense.

[@antoniofernandesmarchetti1097]

Mr. Muskeet Just want to be know as a "World savior" and, If you question him, he will throw a tantrun and call you a PDF file!

[@billcollins7009]

I must admit, as much as I enjoy your perspective on the subjects of your videos, I thought I'd hear the same rhetoric about victimhood and evil corporations. But I was pleasantly surprised when the wrap-up for this video was mature and sober.

[@poindextertunes]

keep lickin’ boots

[@saraphinn]

Still love the car! (flames)

[@moemenace5345]

Dr. Grande, could you please review the case of BossmanJack? Day 133 of asking 😮‍💨😮‍💨

[@Scipio_Americanus]

That would be a waste of a video

[@traceyparker1407]

HE WAS DRUNK. END OF STORY.

[@lordinquis8r679]

Dr Grande left out the crucial (supervised) requirement that Tesla admonishes all drivers to observe every 10 seconds or so, even to people who are blind drunk.

[@platoscavealum902]

Don’t call it "full" self driving. Call it "fool" self driving or "faux" self driving.

[@platoscavealum902]

The accident is actually the reason Tesla had implemented additional safety features - like monitoring that hands are physically resting on the wheel. The accident happened in 2022 and in December 2023 the Federal regulators deemed the system's driver monitoring controls inadequate, which led to a recall of nearly 2 million Tesla vehicles. The NHTSA investigation found that Tesla's means for keeping drivers engaged were insufficient. As a result, Tesla had to issue a software update to incorporate additional controls and alerts to address these concerns.

[@U2B_Viewer]

Just started the video and I can already tell you it's the driver's fault 100% FSD will never cause anything more than a fender bender

[@alvjkd]

@@U2B_Viewer that’s a pretty big claim. Finish watching the video.

[@U2B_Viewer]

@alvjkd I did. In the end, he was in agreement

[@U2B_Viewer]

@alvjkd at this stage in the software it's always going to be the drivers fault regardless. Until it is at level 4 or 5

[@SpankyMcButtface]

Technically the fender was bent after it slammed into the tree

[@devonglide1830]

I live in China and there's self-driving vehicles here (not even a spot for a driver, not sure what they are doing), and ironically, these machines are able to stop at an intersection by the school I work at, while most cars blast through the red light. In fairness to human drivers, the red/green light is placed in a very odd place and most people don't even see the light, yet the self-driving things are able to recognize it. Not going to lie, it feels sketchy to walk in front of a box-on-wheels with no windshield or operator controlling it.

[@iiiirootiiii]

I appreciate that the focus in this tragic case was not shifted away from DUI and blamed on technology. I am completely saddened by this terrible loss of life but lessons can only be learned by being honest about the cause. Thank you for this excellent review of the case.

[@nanettevantriesteharder2469]

I absolutely agree with Dr. Grande's perspective on this subject. Pilots have to be on top of their game mentally, emotionally, and physically many hours before take off. For example, they are not allowed to fly under the influence. So, no one should drink alcohol and drive. It is interesting that there was no black box flight and audio recordings installed in the vehicle comparable to those in aircraft, which can sustain great impacts and fires, yet continue to provide proof of what actually happened during the incident. RIP Hans. Maybe the mistake you made in trusting this technology to get you and your friend home safely after you two had been drinking for some time will be a lesson learned to prevent other such accidents.

[@miserychannel666]

DIED of thermal injuries ... translation: LIVE CREMATION.

[@SuperFinGuy]

Even if it was the car's fault, there is a big difference between 2024 and before, the Full Self-Driving feature is much better now that it uses Neural Network AI, the same technology that LLM's like Chatgpt use.

[@wintercame]

"Full self destruction mode" and "Full money removal mode." Cheers, Sir Grande!

[@texasrefugee7888]

I think Musk is all about false advertising and self promotion. 😢 all about PR and image.

[@mikapeltokorpi7671]

Well, this is probably one thing what SEC and DoJ are currently investigating. Probe(s) opened yesterday.

[@Erik_Swiger]

Two of my favorite models of cars are the Volkswagen Beetle (of which I've had 4-5), and my 1967 Chevelle. What they had in common is that they had no power steering, no power brakes, no power windows, no power seats, no air conditioning, and, I loved them As Jeno Leno puts it, they have a "mechanical-ness" to them. You literally feel the machine, and you respond to each other. My point is, I abhor the direction of modern car engineering. I can't stand driving them; I'm choosing to put my time and money into older vehicles. I feel connected to older cars; I feel isolated and cocooned in modern cars. Stifled, smothered.

[@thenaturalhuman9568]

Having the full self driving feature is not the same as downloading all aspects of the program. Maybe there really was something not downloaded, However it should be clear if that’s the case

[@daniellassander]

I believe that he was just riding along with no thought about the road ahead, it was late and in a careless way he disenngaged the automatic driving, he was impaired so its likely to believe he tried to engage the automatic driving again instead of stopping as fast as possible, so he was looking inside of the car, didnt see the road turning nor the tree up ahead. The "ohhh blank" was probably in reference to him disengaging the full self drive.

[@lashlarue59]

He wasn't just "impaired". At 3X the legal limit he was super drunk.

[@jaqueitch]

The dude worked for Tesla. He should know more than anyone that the name "self-driving" is bull$hit

[@friedpickles342]

Your critical thinking needs help

[@MeowImages]

I hope there'll never be a Dr. Grande video about myself

[@gailstorm8622]

😂😂😂

[@RR-bd4jp]

@@gailstorm8622 I thought about this too great comment lol

[@RullXov]

Bad things that happen because of drunk driving are simple to avoid. Dont get behind the wheel if you have been drinking.