This is a completely insano guide on how to make a rhythm game and I don't think I've ever considered using an excel spreadsheet in my entire 17 year game development & rhythm game charting history
@Jono997 Жыл бұрын
I think you might get a chuckle out of the fact that a while after this dropped, someone actually made a spreadsheet-based charter for a rhythm game and it's legitimately the best tool for that game right now.
@IDGs_space Жыл бұрын
@@Jono997 please inform me on what rhythm game this is lmao
@Jono997 Жыл бұрын
@@IDGs_space Project Pentjet. It's a maimai-esque game with custom chart support... but no editor. And then some maniac decided to make one via a spreadsheet!
@TheGlitchyFox2 жыл бұрын
This is the best mapping tutorial of all time.
@AJBigJJ2 жыл бұрын
moistcritical vibes
@tree4272 жыл бұрын
All Time
@TheGlitchyFox2 жыл бұрын
@@AJBigJJ exactly
@hoshistarosu2 жыл бұрын
.
@diamdante2 жыл бұрын
yo I literally just discovered this channel today and was watching some earlier videos, and just as I go take a break from work a new one drops. truly divine providence :')
@tokaku2 жыл бұрын
welcome to the channel! ;)
@Chirouu2 жыл бұрын
now you will watch tokaku click circles for 10 years
@Chirouu2 жыл бұрын
@hasikau snow what
@chimklee2 жыл бұрын
Welcome
@zezus0012 жыл бұрын
1. since when did you use dark mode? 2. is the author of this article charting for Phigros? 3. i can’t think of any good reason to time your chart using a spreadsheet… just visualizing the notes in your head would be easier 4. this article sounds like the game you are charting for is unfinished or does not have a complete editor. in that case, why start charting now? 5. i don’t think the author of this article understands what time signatures are… what song uses 2/4? i know of songs that use 2/2 but not 2/4 edit: apparently 2/4 isn’t as uncommon as i thought edit 2: why does editing a comment take away the heart :(
@Elle_Super2 жыл бұрын
2/4 isn't a weird time signature but it's mostly used for marches so I wouldn't expect Osu songs to use a 2/4 piece. I'd be surprised someone knew about 2/2 time but not 2/4???
@cooikemint2 жыл бұрын
2/4 is common, but not for songs in rhythm games.
@meepilee79912 жыл бұрын
2/4 isn't really rhythm games but comes up somewhat often in classical pieces. Definitely more than 5/4 from my experience. So if the author of this article searched up "most common time signatures" it would probably show up there lmao
@zezus0012 жыл бұрын
@@cooikemint wow, really? i don't think i've ever heard a song in 2/4...
@arnab_bukit2 жыл бұрын
2. nah, phigros uses timing in ms instead(unless its other fanmade program like PhiEditor which uses beats instead of ms edit: oh wait, wtf why theres flick notes
@MTArtStuff2 жыл бұрын
Me: Can I get a beatmap tutorial Mom: We already have a tutorial at home Tutorial at home:
@mioguy18152 жыл бұрын
pishifat got quiet after this dropped
@hatefulbirdie35672 жыл бұрын
"This tells you things and doesn't tell you things" It's the most suitable sentence to describe wikiHow.
@computerblade Жыл бұрын
um please no hate
@artemisia61072 жыл бұрын
i saw this tutorial on koifishu's server a few weeks ago and thought someone should make a map based on that tutorial and i can't believe someone actually did it
@hotgayfurryfeet2 жыл бұрын
i saw ryuusei aika posting this tutorial on the avalon mapping server too lol
@gunkeez2 жыл бұрын
I would use everything but wikihow to do basically everything
@hecko-yes2 жыл бұрын
wikihow is the one place that taught me how to tie my shoelaces ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@skelebro99992 жыл бұрын
Literally the best beatmap in the entire universe. Such a revolutionary creation 🛐
@aliaseses2 жыл бұрын
how to make a good beatmap: the beatmap: *a map that looks like it was made in 1727*
@isaacroansison25392 жыл бұрын
It think “beats” means the rhythm of the song. What i mean is when you have a 4/4 time signature you add 1/4 (0.25) for every row. So that means every row will have 1/n more than the last row, N being the top of the time signature.
@cubruce11032 жыл бұрын
i interpreted it as “quarter note in 4/4 is 1 beat and 16th note in that is 0.25”
@tizurl2 жыл бұрын
“How would you miss two notes on the same place if you played it yourself first?” Testify on Arcaea 4.0 day 1 be like:
@lunaresharmony2 жыл бұрын
I love how the tutorial is so wild that you double checked with the noisz devs
@scuriscuri46742 жыл бұрын
This is one of the mapping tutorials of all time!
@ThatOneBreadstickEater2 жыл бұрын
As mapper I dont know how to feel about this.
@HOLYCOWofthesea2 жыл бұрын
Watching this made me realize just how valuable my music theory classes were 😅
@ahmetswag2 жыл бұрын
1:20 i get that this is a joke and all but to find the exact starting point of a song and to determine the offset a song might have, an audio editor like audacity is required. otherwise you might just end up with an unsynced chart. at least thats what I need to do charting in ADOFAI because that's really the only game i charted anything in lmao
@tokaku2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I was nitpicking there but it depends on the level editor you're using. For osu, they have timestamps that are as accurate as audacity (although you can't see the waveforms). The plus to using osu's editor over audacity for an osu mapper is also because you can slow down the preview for extra accurate timestamps without doing math on your end. I'm surprised ADOFAI doesn't have timestamps down to the miliseconds, it's something I would've expected from 7th beat... oh my
@ahmetswag2 жыл бұрын
@@tokaku having timestamps like audacity in the ADOFAI editor was actually something i thought about a lot. although i had no idea how the developers would actually achieve it given that ADOFAI's editor works wildly different than any other rhythm game editor that uses waveforms and timestamps. I prefer it the way it is right now though cause I got used to it lol
@rukamasaki66782 жыл бұрын
back in the days there used to be a good bunch of mappers who made maps for Rhythm Master (the one by Tencent, not to be confused) with Notepad for the absence of level editors and fan-made content support. like majdata format in some ways. it feels reeeally cool to visualize all the patterns in your mind tho
@sneezebazooka60682 жыл бұрын
Dude the article feels like the article was too short cause it was made by someone who already assumed you had a competent level editor, and then someone who hasn't made a rhythm game before contributed to bulk up the article length.
@qsunshine.2 жыл бұрын
from a fellow osu!std mapper: i can indeed confirm, that this indubitably is, an osu!mapping tutorial
@Electrified7272 жыл бұрын
From an osu!mania mapper I can comfirm that he doesn't understand both osu!ranking criteria and time signatures
@qsunshine.2 жыл бұрын
@@Electrified727 *she (she's a Girl lol, with a boyfriend, Tzechi)
@qsunshine.2 жыл бұрын
@@Electrified727 and also do you think that they actually wanted to learn from that? because they're just doing it for fun lol
@Electrified7272 жыл бұрын
@@qsunshine. no I mean the creator of the turorial
@qsunshine.2 жыл бұрын
@@Electrified727 OHH sorry
@barkey57412 жыл бұрын
Wow this tutorial is so good, it makes it look really hard lol.
@cenpaka43162 жыл бұрын
"How would you miss 2 notes in the same place" Testify happened.
@NatiiixLP2 жыл бұрын
If you're making a small enough game, then making a chart editor, or a level editor in case of other games genres, is an absurdly difficult task, so very few people/teams would venture down that road. That is, among other reasons, why almost no game has a level editor built into it, including, but not limited to, many rhythm games, especially before they become famous enough for anyone to consider making a custom chart. Hard-cording easy charts is pretty trivial, and a couple of people with very little knowledge can go through a sizable number of songs in a matter of days and turn them into relatively playable charts, all of that in much less time than it would take to create a half usable in-game chart editor.
@mxtty56332 жыл бұрын
This is actually the most beatmap I’ve ever seen. 10/10
@bggamingdeluxe56582 жыл бұрын
5:23 me when the image shows a tournament spreadsheet.
@pangolinh Жыл бұрын
“You will need to understand the structure of a typical song” Me trying to chart Death Grips songs:
@CamelliaFlingert2 жыл бұрын
as a new mapper myself i laughing so hard from this, especially from "you need to use audacity to see where to put timestamps" B R U H, i'm literally just always put some random BPM at my ear and then starts to editing it until it's perfectly fits to timing of track, and in most cases i guessing the correct BPM instantly, and yet my ears not so good at hearing main and important beats and i don't understand music theory at all :D but who cares lmao Okay i written this before watching the whole video, and now i'm dying from laugh completely, tip with using audacity was the most innocence on this tutorial XDDD i don't understand anything it's so cursed
@Shotios2 жыл бұрын
Thankyou for enlightening us once again wikihow. (Great video seriously tho)
@geoguessrplayer12 жыл бұрын
Out of all the mapping advice you could ever give to anyone, this certainly exists.
@lutriss2 жыл бұрын
just looked at your channel earlier looking for a new video, here it is
@sjihyo_ Жыл бұрын
"avoid breaking your rhythm game" aspire mappers: *unexists*
@hoshiro.exsharaen2 жыл бұрын
I don't think the tutorial works for game rhythms with a complete level editor (like osu or stepmania). Otherwise, it has some points. I used to create maps for taikojiro which does not have a level editor, so... yeah, mapping it with Notepad (then upgraded to Notepad++ and eventually Visual Studio Code) and test it directly at Taikojiro. With no level editor, a very basic understanding of music theory about measure/bar, note, time signatures and the understanding about the rules of a beatmap (in this case, TJA file) helps a bit, although sometimes for complicated patterns I usually just do trial and error until I get what I want (thankfully Taikojiro has a very basic song control and offset setting). For this reason I avoid "crazy patterns" (rapid changes in BPM or scroll speed) since they are very hard to "code" in text editors and visualizing them at the same time in my brain 😅 all my maps only follows the beat as close as possible to the music, and since it's a taiko game, I try to enhance the music with taiko hits (so no crazy patterns). Kudos for mappers with crazy patterns! Fortunately the tutorial does not require you to make note of the position (x and y) for each notes in the spreadsheet 🤣
@GamesTheOracle2 жыл бұрын
the spreadsheet had me fucking DYING lmfao
@Nothingending2 жыл бұрын
This video reminded me of how much i like watching your content.
@Shdwoa2 жыл бұрын
she's going insane with that intense and high bpm osu standard map!!!!
@imconfuseddl14362 жыл бұрын
Wikihow: “Have a basic understanding of music theory” Also Wikihow: “Beat 0.25, 0.5, 0.75” AAAAAAHHH that is absolute pain. If you want to for some reason do this time consuming way of mapping out beats might as well just arrange an entire drum part so you can at least make it less confusing from going “beat 57-63 spinner” like you just making an arrangement but in complete text. If you know basic (or at least an intermediate level) music theory you could just arrange it because it would be easier to read and listen to because there if your going through the effort of trying to use external programs to organize work make something you could actually listen back to and compare with what you want your completed work to be and sound like.
@sleepieststella2 жыл бұрын
3:37 Those websites tend to be wrong most of the time. I wouldn’t recommend it for charting. You are better off finding the bpm through, Let’s say you are charting a song that is in Arcaea, Arcaea shows the BPM for that song. Let’s say we want to chart PUPA. Arcaea says the song is 202 BPM while this website would say it’s 101. Even though it’s half-time ( Half the song’s bpm ) It’s still necessarily incorrect…
@zezus0012 жыл бұрын
Does it really change much? You can still time it properly using half or double time.
@sleepieststella2 жыл бұрын
@@zezus001 Yeah, sometimes they do Half half-time. Ex: Galaxy Friends is 300 BPM but one website will say it’s 75. That’s half of 150 which is also half of 300.
@Meltiis2 жыл бұрын
@@zezus001 In terms of timing it doesn't matter, but it might change the way you map the song. If you were to put 2/2 onto 4/4, there'd be a strong accent on the third beat which could change the way you want to map something.
@zezus0012 жыл бұрын
@@Meltiis my brain is melting
@Lance02 жыл бұрын
@@sleepieststella there's also half half half time and half half half half time tbf by the time this happens the song is already like 600 bpm or smth sooooo
@tarragon1122 жыл бұрын
i mean yeah you could use a spreadsheet but if the song is at least known you can just search “bpm of [song name]” and then time the offset (or just crop the mp3 so there’s no offset)
@Gues21ng2 жыл бұрын
7:10 I would like to clarify that this is definitely, a pattern
@ballsmaster69372 жыл бұрын
this is actually how fieryrage times galneryus songs guys
@deceptivecompactmemoryseal6102 жыл бұрын
The Ultimate Tutorial that would make you a professional beatmap maker after reading
@caelohm62172 жыл бұрын
Thank you wikihow, very cool
@mushraccoon2 жыл бұрын
As a person with dyscalculia this wildly reminds me of every math lecture I’ve ever had TvT
@th1nks7442 жыл бұрын
Sotarks got insecured looking at that beatmap
@adami77772 жыл бұрын
interesting mapping tutorial i bet i can be one of the greatest osu mappers of all time if i follow this
@someone-fd6pz2 жыл бұрын
bruh this is the last thing i've expected to have a wikihow page on
@jumrader11112 жыл бұрын
bro yesterday I literally thought: where is tokaku? AND TODAY A NEW VID ARRIVED, CAN I SEE THE FUTURE?
@oscarcruzalegui15182 жыл бұрын
So that´s the reason why my beatmaps are not ranked. I wasn´t using an Excel!
@sammy_sand_utubeyt69012 жыл бұрын
I subscribed yesterday, and I just realized that this was a new video 😂
@kecHik4452 жыл бұрын
looks rankable already
@yarshmellow23232 жыл бұрын
Im glad everyone seems to have hell with Osu timing. Like literally every other bpm calculator works idk why Osu makes it sound so off so often
@xerithur2 жыл бұрын
dont be shy bestie upload the beatmap to osu
@Hzul_2 жыл бұрын
yay tokaku upload
@RezaRnew1002 жыл бұрын
Well its basically wikipedia about editing osu map but Lite or if I should say fcked edition
@reshiram1812 жыл бұрын
Wikihow, my favorite mapper
@BiceyIcey2 жыл бұрын
In my high school python class, I made a rhythm game for my final (imagine knock-off Everhood) but I didn't have time left to implement a mapping system so I used a library to import excel spreadsheets. The spreadsheet read the first 4 rows from left to right and would place a note corresponding to the character in each cell. Then at the bottom of the sheet, there was a box that contained all of the other info like BPM, Author, and total time. 0/10 would not recommend.
@TYsdrawkcaB2 жыл бұрын
OMGG THIS IS THE GRAITTEST TUTOREAL EVAHHHH LIEK JUST LOOK AT DAT MAGNIFICENT BEETMAP TOETACKOO MAID JUST LIKE OMGGG
@teero1212 жыл бұрын
tokaku there is a brief mini game that sort of resembles a rhythm game in final fantasy 7 remake. you should totally play the game up until that point just for the mini game :^)
@ClampyStew2 жыл бұрын
wow wikihow so infomative
@slightlyrustled2 жыл бұрын
osu's most rankable beatmap
@eggboi22 жыл бұрын
6:34 pishifat
@dogenjoyer2 жыл бұрын
7:45 clone hero moment
@OnnLoong2 жыл бұрын
this toturial really inspired me into mapping
@-Saka2 жыл бұрын
agreed
@cobblert2 жыл бұрын
this is awesome i just stopped playing osu so i really needed this!
@zezus0012 жыл бұрын
cool cirno
@witchymaoki51652 жыл бұрын
the tutorial ever, the tutorial tutoried
@frnono2 жыл бұрын
audacity is actually useful for mp3 offset bro
@MihateLilas2 жыл бұрын
omg genius idea of video
@BEMANI.THAWAN2 жыл бұрын
Petition for a video where tokaku plays almost all rhythm games in an arcade
@bencenagy54592 жыл бұрын
Petition to make a 3 key rhythm game
@_Guigui2 жыл бұрын
Everything until then has been all good, but the moment I heard "use an Excel spreadsheet" I cracked out of laughter
@enoe40552 жыл бұрын
I have ascended my current state of mind watching this, truly evolutionary.
@buysharp2 жыл бұрын
this is gold
@Aquwus2 жыл бұрын
im gonna jam
@heyn2 жыл бұрын
new tokaku upload!!!
@jmir12 жыл бұрын
I think this is actually a pretty helpful tutorial for people who are new to rhythm games and want to try making their first beatmap in a game that doesn't have a level editor for some reason. It seems like a rare use case, but I imagine it would be useful for that.
@Apple_Beshy2 жыл бұрын
try making a beat map using open AI it's fun doing it on easy maps
@cyber_gamerr2 жыл бұрын
Best beatmap tutorial ever!!!!!!!1!1!! (2022) not clickbait guys!!
@vodit513212 жыл бұрын
WAKE UP!!!!! NEW TOKAKU VIDEO
@catgirlsz2 жыл бұрын
don't even think you need to know music theory when it comes to mapping lol
@m4ri0.mp42 жыл бұрын
Ah yes, the ultimate beatmap guide
@theairblow2 жыл бұрын
Author of this article doesn't know why in-game level editors exist, or even how gamedev works. A Level Editor is just a tool for making development faster, productive and enjoyable. If you don't use tools and decide to do everything manually, development would be hell. It's like coding with Notepad. Advising usage of Excel is very dumb - parsing it would be harder than a text file with the same stuff as in a spreadsheet, file size would be bigger, etc.
@beat112122 жыл бұрын
Bruh I wonder what charts did the 12k people make💀
@karigrandi72 жыл бұрын
very good beatmap! too hard for me though i cant stream ar 50 yet :(
@annaerosewood2 жыл бұрын
yes.
@itsrezzy42632 жыл бұрын
This is the most mapping tutorial
@joelosteenrblx2 жыл бұрын
Tokaku, next video is your try Kizuna Ai Touch the Beat, the game is has rating 10/10, perfect experience and ofc has kizuna ai in it that before added on Cytus 2
@aaclovern98042 жыл бұрын
Pishifat has been quiet since this dropped
@kyancoqie2 жыл бұрын
wikihow more like wikiwhy
@demixy2 жыл бұрын
Saw the notification, clicked at sonic speed !
@yumesekaiza2 жыл бұрын
tokaku slay
@saltyralts Жыл бұрын
I feel like the only one who understood what this article was saying and mostly agreed with it lmao
@Binglesquirk2 жыл бұрын
fire
@Snp20242 жыл бұрын
I kinda realised her eyebrows are non existent. I am idiot took me so long to realise what was little weird 😔
@longmai16862 жыл бұрын
Sht went real when she start mapping with spreadsheet
@S1CK3_52 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU FOR THIS+
@minimalgrammar127610 ай бұрын
DIMENSIONAL ANALYSIS LMFAOOOOOOOOOOO
@ollv4502 жыл бұрын
9:30 the guy just playing osu with a touchpad lmao