osu!mapping: new mappers

[@epicreplays1595]

Pishi: you suck Me: well damn you're right but it's brutal honesty which I like

[@wixonater]

Epic Replays HONESTYYYYYYYYYY

[@crikhard]

brutal HONESTY? ft. GYZE

[@Sylvarus]

Akaku somatta

[@hydra7036]

Let the Honesty meme begin.

[@happyman6701]

try presenting your song to the public lobbies 0_0

[@Lamb666]

So you're offering coaching for mapping? Name your price.

[@asmylia9880]

Lamb Choppy lemme join

[@sta3802]

me too thanks

[@ChronoTau]

Lamb Choppy yes it's gonna be like the coaching system from tf2 but actually useful

[@101bothunter]

Jeffery

[@smokeman2645]

there is the osu! mentorship programm if you are interested in non-profit "coaching". Mentee apps should be open i think

[@Waaif]

11:58 new mapper Sing is learning xd

[@meepilee7991]

12:49 never in my life have i related to something so much

[@SeaRasp]

Omg I have to agree that mapping has forever changed the way I listen to music

[@freezinganimenz7835]

Pishifat : mapping changes how you listen to music Me : so true

[@-aku2805]

It's interesting how different new mappers can be. I've tried teaching two of my friends to map: first one couldn't figure out what ticks sounds were on even after a dozen hours of mapping. Second one, even though having *less* experience with the game could easily pick up sounds and time simple songs, could understand where to put basic pattern like streams and jumps etc. Honestly it has been strange seeing him improve so fast, I'm going to keep coaching him until I have nothing more to teach him.

[@mikeymladi9279]

I wish I would be the second guy bring able to time maps perfectly, so that I won't be able to have this stupid moment of me having to remap everything or something just because of a very tiny timing error :(

[@-aku2805]

@@mikeymladi9279 You don't have to remap everything if you mistime a song, you can just resnap the notes

[@daxtaken]

i cant believe you made your sister play with your skin!

[@_rushii]

no

[@itzredstarz9410]

I want ks

[@theevauwu7853]

Exactly!! That must've been so annoying

[@lovelyafternoon]

7:29 "my third victim" lmfaoo

[@willyxd6679]

pishifat : 13 min video explaining everything sotarks : just follow vocal and do 1-2 on beats lol

[@Icyshade.]

kicksnarekicksnarekicksnarekicksnarekicksnarekicksnarekicksnarekicksnarekicksnarekicksnare

[@ballsmaster6937]

@@Icyshade. i can fucking hear the 1-2s just visualizing the sounds

[@maddsdraws6543]

Is it just me or does it seem like when he talks to the camera he's super energetic but when he talks to people he goes completely dead?

[@Kujar3Player]

Interesting, I have a background in electronic music production so I generally don't have a trouble spoting important sounds, rhythm changes, various rhythms in the song itself... I have a good understanding of music to say the least, but creating an interesting map is a whole different story. I only made my first map public, which is now graveyarded as it's just fundamentaly wrong. I have started another project that I sometimes open to do something with, but I am just not happy with how it looks as of now, seems uninteresting and boring just like your last example in the video, despite picking a genre I am most experienced with. Your videos help a ton tho, thanks for taking the time!

[@neelshejwalkar5153]

Kujar3Player good luck on your map!

[@niu_arx]

i have the same issue, music production is a breeze to me but mapping is just insanely hard to get right

[@AerinK97]

Looking at this makes me feel a little bit better about my current mapping attempts, they match the rhythm and don't seem too boring (I think?). I'm just scared of finishing a map, being proud of it and thinking it's quite good only for people to crush my dreams :(

[@mikeymladi9279]

when the timing

[@deso2]

nacht 100 new runners

[@Gibbysaurio]

Never give up

[@cavemann_]

Oh, I see how it is. So it's really better to start simple and get a grasp of it and then slowly go on to map slightly more complex songs so you don't have to focus on what became natural to you. Seems like the most efficient way to learn to map.

[@draxarchivingservice]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/nGLbm2OGbr2Cpdk kzbin.info/www/bejne/gqqTpmmkZ9alhac

[@LwL_]

Yeah, the main advantage is that some aspects of mapping don't really exist in lower difficulties, meaning there's less stuff to fuck up and you can focus on the basics. Otherwise it's easy to just do everything wrong. That being said, it's very possible to learn both ways, it'll just likely take a bit longer.

[@notfisky]

The way i started mapping is through finding random songs that I found nice and tried mapping them, I eventually stop midway because I found another song. Although this was useful because I got a ton of experience from that. I used like 10 hours for 1 minute of a map, now probably 1 hour and it’s actually playable and looks nice. God my first map is so horrible

[@mikeymladi9279]

Bruh me too (sort of) I map some songs that I find cool or find funny. Basically anything, besides those ones that have already been ranked.. Maybe... However it mostly takes multiple days for me to complete a map, maybe even weeks, because I still suck at mapping and I don't even know anything of advertising my maps or gaining feedback and fixing things and very few people play my maps.. The most successful one having almost 200 plays and a love heart.. It could be worse though.. Getting a love heart is nice.. XP

[@smileyhead]

11:37 Secret Society Blanket spreads its influence.

[@Pingvinuz]

I was so bored with nothing to watch and then this comes out thanks

[@asmylia9880]

You just gave me a vision for a fucking, maybe already too simple song to be mapped. Thank you. This video actually taught me way much more than all the others "you have to place streams like this" or "jumps like this" videos. I'm looking forward on more of this kind of videos!

[@frogg8319]

I made my sister play osu before. She is BEYOND bad. She can’t do sliders, she can’t click, she gets 100s on OD 0 and gets D on 1 star maps

[@ryanellinger1607]

I have seen a few of your videos and I just wanted to comment: My friends have all played osu for a few years and they finally got me to try it. Quickly I realized that I was garbage at osu, but I always had fun still playing all the cool beat maps. I am a big guitar hero fan so osu always seemed like a keyboard (albeit more weaboo) alternative. So, instead of actually playing osu, I just started watching all the maps on the "can't lose mode". Then my buddy Mike told me how we can make our own beat maps and that has been my current osu goal for a week or two. If I were to catagorize myself as a certain type of new player, it would be someone with very little osu experience and very little experiance when it comes to music and understanding it. Having watched some of yours (and many other videos) the biggest thing that I feel is to just keep watching other maps as well as keep mapping yourselves. I have learned to use the editor a bit and the best feeling is when you get a part to look and feel really cool. I haven't improved much, but I am sure that I will continue to learn, practice, and improve. Hopefully I can one day get to the level where I can understand half of the stuff you talk about in your videos. Nevertheless, your editor guide videos have been a great help to me and I will continue to watch your videos and try to glean some knowledge from them. I don't know how many people try to start mapping before they can reliably finish songs on EASY, but for me, mapping is cooler and more fun (so far). I just thought that me telling you this might, i dunno, help you understand the level, backing, and ability of some of your viewers. Thanks

[@Apple-jg7om]

me: registers on osu -> new mapper

[@CooOOookiez]

yeah if i remember something i had remembered a long time ago, was that i always recommended people to start off with a hard diff. no rhythm simplification needed, and no spacing concepts

[@nathangenre1585]

*"You have potential!"*

[@zem0ku605]

Don't forget to thank mappers because without them, we wouldn't be able to rack up some FC and pp maps uwu

[@zoni525]

*How Low Hello There*

[@opposite342]

Zoni hmm, Charlotte

[@lordzockt1853]

Just watched your old video this one is as great

[@Halogenvsrg]

As a mania player that has always had an interest in mapping standard (just because it's eye candy), this is a great video for me. Interestingly enough, I feel like I fall between the second and third person shown in this video - I will rarely, if ever, mess up any sort of rhythm, simply because mania rhythms get incredibly precise and I've been playing these kinds of games for over a decade. But when it comes to figuring out how to utilize motion, direction, and proper slider usage, I am absolutely useless. I really like the topics you examined in here, though. I actually found it somewhat helpful to see other people and watch you give them a bit more insight. Thanks for making this!

[@f1d248]

11:37 *b l a n k e t*

[@WarDimensionRhythmGames]

I'm a mania mapper, started out by copying Guitar Hero songs and map it to mania, definitely help... (Although learning how to use a metronome probably has more impact for me), My style of mapping is pretty rare would say... (and I don't think it will be able to get ranked) Instead of creating whatever pattern I want, I follow the pitch instead, so... One instrument for every difficulty, one note for every key...

[@mrflip242]

This makes me feel a bit better about my current "new mapper" experience. And it's helping a ton that i have a test subject friend. The only problem is that i get halfway through a map and then i start a new project... i'm THAT person....

[@ttvmarcyy7906]

My understanding of mapping is just visual music you think of the music and run it through your head with osu in mind

[@ElMustaccio]

you should do more stuff like this because it was a really fun watch

[@rum5878]

I hardly even think of things, I just listen, then think "Hey this set of beats would be cool here" and the rest is just feeling

[@KnightC0re]

im eating oreos

[@CharmanteEstPris]

Nice

[@fuwameanssoft]

Stop making me want oreos

[@derrrtee]

Ew oreos

[@snowiu]

7:27 what is that skin? also why is it on 727?

[@vagrant4251]

Seki AHAHAHAHA LE EPIC 727 LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

[@Rinzee]

did u ever figure out what it was?

[@snowiu]

no lmao

[@HekzerFTO]

im late but im pretty sure the skin is hhjkl, theres a version with numbers and without numbers tho

[@remixtheidiot5771]

I wish the editor had an audio visualizer though. The spikes that beats make can help maybe.

[@iLiokardo]

That was pretty fun to watch.

[@porochu8871]

this is like that video where the musician teaches a concept to 5 different skill levels

[@hasu9426]

Hello and welcome to oss!

[@Some_Awe]

I realise i'm so much better than new mappers, yet still very very ... very very shit :)

[@remalies8309]

FatesOfDestiny im more shit haha

[@hypercyte]

Ringating still best mapper

[@Waterwolf221]

the first time i tried mapping i could only follow the vocals and i did a map mostly on the vocals because they were the most pronounced things in the music. after seeing one of your videos about mapping i realized i was missing out on a lot of sounds like drums in the background and other instruments as well.

[@t1nytim]

As an example, the only thing I noticed during that build up was the spacing, rather than any of the other changes you made. As I'm also someone who has never mapped, but have hundreds of hours in standard.

[@edmund9534]

After watching this video, I realized I'm not cut out for mapping.

[@jgerona5]

due to the rhythmic nature of mapping, osu! has helped me drastically with rhythmic dictation in music theory and the editor helped me visualize rhythm when listening to music. (I am a music student)

[@controlpro438]

Will you ever talk about mapping in other modes? Maybe with some guest mappers for every mode? I’m curious about osu!catch mapping and how it works, since it looks pretty hard to innovate rhythms and such into that game mode. Just a suggestion that I thought could be fun :)

[@witmilk6527]

That last part cracked me up!

[@nahthree]

I wish I could get that help from you xD But this vid was rly interesting n1

[@EvilFunBoy]

my respec for guilty gear music d

[@optinaut6710]

instantly recognized the HELLO, AND WELCOME TO OSU! voice from the tutorial.

[@opposite342]

5:43 since you said that, pls try map mania pishi

[@yukariyoshisaki6333]

hanairo biyori is still not linked in the description of the video about score v2 and the 9:00 map in ranking process as well

[@LemonWise]

02:14 finally, a nose reveal!

[@pcgameryt9272]

*You have potential!* owo

[@GamingFortress202]

Now how does a mania mapper like myself get into one of these videos :thonk:

[@Halogenvsrg]

You're not the only one. :p

[@syre7608]

i just cant remember to make new combos

[@javiluma8825]

What is that skin at 7:30? Please someone link it :c

[@sosotik]

it looks like clearback with different slider rim colours and a different cursor

[@jeff_grips]

the slider reverse mechanic at the end..... oh god, i did the same exact thing so many times when i was just starting. "what is this??? how do i make the slider longer???????????? :angery:"

[@owli6348]

osu!mapper guru

[@artemisia6107]

12:50 holy shit so true

[@seamoon4345]

pishi can you make a series where you review beatmaps and point out the good and the bad things about them sent by your viewers?

[@aakoo7713]

The listening to music differently thing is the exact same if you play an instrument.

[@LwL_]

I actually make most of my repeat sliders through timeline scrolling while placing them, pls don't take that away it will take an entire minute to get used to having to drag the sliderend. Actually didn't even know you could do that until well after my first serious map which was 7 minutes long.

[@jeff_grips]

pog championship

[@GuyFromSomeWorld]

I was just mapping, then I stopped mapping because I finished a diff and saw this video. Thanks Pishi, you upload videos at just the right times.

[@GuyFromSomeWorld]

Oh yeah, and regarding new mappers, when I started mapping in 2013, I sucked. Then in I guess 2015 or something, I stopped mapping for some reason. Then back in maybe December 2017, I started mapping again. I deleted my old maps because they were, well... Too bad to keep. Obviously, the first new map wasn't very good either. Looking back, it's kind of like a bland 2011 map. It had sort of a weird rhythm so it's probably not good for me to map even now. But still, it was an okay map. Not good, but okay for someone who just came back to mapping. Now I've made 9 maps since 2017, but I don't think any of them are rankable (except the Taiko-only ones, maybe). Oh yeah, and I'm trying to map a whole album. Because that's smart. Luckily it's just Taiko, which I'm experienced in so I should know a lot about it. Plus it's really simple, pretty much anyone could map a rankable Taiko map. (plzmodmymapsplzmodmymapsplzmodmymapsplzmodmymaps)

[@frankIincooI]

I like mapping extreme difficulties, normally the hardest difficulty, but I never really listened to the instruments much and I feel a lot worse about my mapping now but thanks for all the info :P

[@Mr.Coincidence]

12:49 preach.

[@trjrMedia]

I assume this means you're applying to be a mentor in the upcoming mentorship cycle

[@devind.2136]

whats the song at 6:58?

[@3ncr1pted]

Finding vocal and background beats and rhythms wasn’t really hard for me when i first started mapping because ive been in band and have played multiple instruments for 4+ years

[@aether64bit]

i started mapping when i was like 2 months into the game.

[@themelancholyofgay3543]

I have returned to mapping

[@kyoku2363]

at first i thought that sliders are random shapes not that complicated

[@LloydielyYT]

Will you make a video on Aleph-0? I'm sorry if you've said something about this before.

[@KPpivot]

Pishi, I was wondering if you would take song requests? if you liked the song.

[@CmdrDylan]

What if you're a new mapper, but good at making maps like centipede or aspire or just idk maps overall

[@endsu]

Does anyone have ringating's skin?

[@vrowniediamond6202]

I just started mapping... accidentally making it too hard is one problem that I am facing. Are there ways to prevent that?

[@KPpivot]

less circles less spacing. watch videos ask questions in game

[@imperialvipersnakes1934]

Make the ranking higher than you intended. It's fine then. xD Unless you expect a god to struggle then you're fine. :3

[@sosotik]

just try to set a 'target audience' just make sure that whatever youre making is suitable for them

[@Nekomosh004]

blanket

[@qqsemi7242]

Is it bad that im trying to focus on vocals every map Or should i focus on different sounds when making higher or lower difficulties?

[@qqsemi7242]

Im a experienced player but new to mapping.

[@tfukz1480]

I know you probably won’t see this and even though I love these videos, I really miss the zombies will you ever come back maybe for the bo4 beta? Love the video though man

[@bananya6020]

pishizor

[@cyootlabs]

do more Moe Shop / android52 maps plz plz plz!

[@Zarven1]

Just in case you see this, why do established mappers like you make ranked maps? From a creative standpoint I don't really understand why you would restrict yourself to elements that are rankable, especially now that you can have a leaderboard for your map through it becoming loved.

[@Sylvarus]

Because maps are made to be played and only very few unrankable elements actually make gameplay better.

[@Zarven1]

Gameplay is not everything, imho maps are a form of art. You can very much play and enjoy maps even if you can't SS them, take 2b as an example. I see what you mean with gameplay but even if there's not a lot of elements that make it better, that means there are some that do.

[@Sylvarus]

Zarven1 It depends on the song though, if a mapper thinks 2B or burai sliders don't represent the music better than normal mapping, why should they use it? Besides, getting a map ranked guarantees more people will play your map which is what most mappers are after

[@Zarven1]

Hm, I agree on the point that more people will play the map if its ranked. But the first sentence is where I have issues understanding why something is "normal" mapping or not normal, they're all just mapping elements to me. I would have thought that after making a few ranked maps you'd just want to use everything you can get to express yourself more and make the map reflect the song in a unique way. But I guess you're right that its song dependent if you need more than the stuff used in ranked maps.

[@Sylvarus]

Yeah by normal I just mean rankable elements. Not many songs are expressed better by unrankable elements, you can still map songs in a unique way without using them. And it depends mostly on the mapper, many mappers want to make a good, fun map that many people play, some people want to express their interpretation of the music without caring about playability or rankability.

[@rokadee7603]

If The sound is clean, then everything is easy to hear, unless you don't want to work with .wav file or .ogg's (mp3 sucks and wav file is big, nothing you can do about that,)

[@sguzaki4545]

as a mapper with a year of experience in the editor... *struggles to shape sliders in a complex style*

[@SoWhySoSirious]

question! does it help if u know about music theory?

[@lustrusita]

no, understanding the rhythm of the drum and intensity of the music are basic knowledge to make a map, not music theory

[@colmm7106]

what the last guys skin?

[@smokeman2645]

One of my mentees literally picked up the editor after a month of playing osu... or even less... And he became good or at least decent at mapping in less than 6 months after he created his account... Edit: Actually 3 months later i found some guy from some part of northern Africa with a 40 days old account who at least knew roughly what was going on in the mapping sphere to make some promising maps (for a beginner). A month later he hacked a score and got banned. I wonder if this guy had some huge potential or was some wierd multi acc. If you want i can send you his maps as i downloaded all of them Shit's whack yo...

[@frederikkloosterman4551]

i would love to learn how to make a good osu map that maybe could go ranked. Your videos help a lot but i still need improvement. If you could teach me for a price i would love to give it a shot!

[@wozza_dev]

low key worried one of my maps would be used as a bad example.

[@Ryutchii_Wisteria]

I think beginner mapper should start with a harder difficulity rock based song because it tick a lot and and easier to follow rythm

[@NexDigilit]

How did I get here? Why am I watching this? But it's interesting.

[@jumpingjack2264]

Mind teaching me how to map? i want to map despacito 2 lol

[@destroymarcy]

JumpingJack22 so do I but i cant map lol.

[@NixXRemade]

i actually preferred your friend's map of A Genesis lol

[@jym2r]

0:48 me in a nutshell

[@darkcircle899]

I know this has absoulutely nothing to do with the subject matter of the map but why is his cursor so huge it’s actually the size of a circle anyone else find that incredibly weird. I’ve actually never seen anyone play with a cursor so big before.

[@MonadProxy01]

I'm trying to do my first beatmap and im having trouble in almost every single aspect of it(i think ive got the bpm atleast). The song is the megalobox theme by Mabanua. Can someone help me out?

[@BlastTheKidd]

is it me or is the *Hello There* louder than usual ?

[@Eliteronix]

oh jesus