The Elven Realms of Beleriand | Of the Lords of Beleriand : Silmarillion Explained - Part 4 of 10

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I just watched part 3 and noticed you opened this one with Sindarin 😂

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I was wondering if he was going to!

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[@tolkienuntangled]

Thanks so much! I'm really glad you enjoy the videos.

[@chrispauls7178]

You bring life to these stories! A master storyteller! Thanks

[@tolkienuntangled]

Thanks!

[@SeraphimKnight]

Gondolin and its history is one of my favorite part of the Silmarillion, I'm excited to hear what you have to say of it :)

[@tolkienuntangled]

I'm super excited to get to it too!

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The artists who created these masterpieces, the actual pictures, are bloody geniuses

[@mariacvale]

This is the 3rd time I'm listening to this series (The Lords of Beleriand) and I just delight in your narration Dave! Thank you so much. Sometimes one needs a break and what better than to hear you tell these wonderful stories, as only you can tell them. Thank you!

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[@mariacvale]

LOL! I agree with you. Same here. Hooked on Dave's storytelling of one of the best fantasy books ever. Thanks Dave! You're awesome.

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[@tolkienuntangled]

Thanks! I'm really glad found it too :)

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[@tolkienuntangled]

Thanks! I'm really glad you enjoy the videos.

[@bigjoe322]

Man these stories are awesome I can't get enough I've been watching all you're previous videos and man I'm hooked these stories would make some amazing movies

[@MichaelDG2023]

I am loving the different angles taken by you and your peers among the KZbin Tolienologists! I’m discovering a whole new appreciation for a legendarium I’ve been studying since 3rd grade.

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[@Phuskooz]

Awesome video! Thanks for the upload!! Nice Sindarin intro, btw!

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[@davidthetraveler1466]

Yet another reason why Ulmo is just the best.

[@Mazz3D]

It's been a long time since I read the silmarillion. This is a great way to get back into the legendarium. Fairly new to the channel and have been using the playlists to cover as much ground as possible. Great work. I noticed the sindarin in the beginning of the episode, much love Rianbow Dave ✌️☮️☯️✌️

[@ladyalaina42]

Very thorough and all in one video! Thank you. I love all of Galadriels brothers. They were all clear thinkers and heroic Elves.

[@greenmachine6638]

Amazon should be consulting YOU, when planning and writing the new LOTR series. Seriously, this is the first time I've heard and really comprehended the awesomeness of the Silmarillion, First age events, etc. Only now do I think that the first age could be a fantastic series in live action, if done with love and strict adherence to Tolkeins ideals.

[@tolkienuntangled]

Haha thanks. I'm really glad you're enjoying the awesomeness of the First Age!

[@kylegordy113]

Ya completely agreed. Too bad we got the total opposite 🤣😅 i understand they have limitations on rights to stories , but this first age migration of the elves and battles with morgoth etc are so clearly what we needed!

[@willdemi5618]

He does a phenomenal job, don't get me wrong Tolkien is NO Slouch lol. But I fell in love with the silmarillion after my first reading as a teenager (maybe I was 20? So a young adult not like 13 lol), but I missed a lot, the names can be confusingly similar and without images to set faces to mind it's hard to keep track of exactly who is doing what. It's definitely a tough read to fully take in, but the creation story really got me so I kept coming back. But not until I found some audio books with image slideshows did I really get all the details. Now I thought that was helpful, then I found this! Now no joke at 38 I'm learning new things about my lifelong favorite writer and books all the time. He also has a real grasp for the subtleties in a way where he often mentions things I have thought or know, but from an angle or with an (important) though I never considered. I recommend this to everyone I can't believe I only recently found it, although I am binging through these so fast. The mystery of the first age (whether proper or FA and before (meaning, the years of lamps, trees, stars then of the sun and moon)) through the second age is so intoxicating and addictive, at least to me! The silmarillion is phenomenally rich. Maybe my favorite thing is that Tolkien purposefully did the broad strokes I forgot the quote but he said something like, I will paint some tales in detail, but many I will just sketch leaving it to future artists to paint, make music and make drama (that's a bastardization but that's the sentiment) Dave is one of many that Tolkien I'm sure would adore, as we look at the collections of beautiful art, set to music, passionately told. ❤😊

[@justinstoll4955]

Literally would love for you to a detailed breakdown on the entire Tolkien Silmarillion. I'd especially love a detailed story told by you about Numenor now that Amazon has completely botch its potential to depict it.

[@tolkienuntangled]

I'm time, that's exactly what I intend to do.

[@kylegordy113]

Seems to me that if u watch the playlists in order that’s precisely what he has done.

[@TheMarcHicks]

Given that Ulmo was one of only 2 Valar to have been opposed to bringing the Elves to Valinor, I wonder if that explains his greater willingness to aid the Noldor in exile-given that it was bringing the elves to Valinor that indirectly led to all the terrible things that occurred afterwards.

[@mlebrooks]

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[@southhill6667]

Always look forward to these! Was the intro in Sindarin? It actually threw me off a bit, ha ha.

[@tolkienuntangled]

It was indeed. Next week's intro will be Khuzdul 🙂

[@southhill6667]

Ooo, will be looking forward to that! And I'm sure that's gonna throw me off even more, ha ha.

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Comment for the algorithm!!

[@willdemi5618]

Oh hey Dave, do you think that the dark creatures fear of water (because of Ulmo as you say round 19:50, and perhaps osse to a lesser extent) is why the Nazgul show such hesitance around water? I always wondered about that, !!*(possible spoiler beneath)*!! like i know Aman is moved (out of mans reach) by then, but I cant imagine that changing what had been already imprinted on Morgoth, Sauron and on their servants through them (if that even changes what these powerful deities are doing anyway). Perhaps with good reason recalling the Arwen river scene in my minds eye lol. Its almost like she knows as well that the balance has shifted when they reach that place.

[@Labyrinth1010]

Amazing!

[@TheMarcHicks]

Karen Wynn Fonstad did some wonderful maps of all the regions of Arda in her book: Atlas of Middle Earrh. 🙂.

[@CarlPottsprofile]

IIRC Bread giver (Quenya:massánië Sindarin:besainis the highest Female title elven settlements ) so Galadriel really honours the fellowship by gifting them Lembas

[@tomardans4258]

When did it begin to be called Lothlorien (Dreamflower)? Treebeard says it was long called Laurelindorinan (Valley Of The Singing Gold).

[@tolkienuntangled]

Lothlorien is a Sindarin name and Laurelindorinan is a Quenya name. I guess the Sindarin name came from Lothlorien's first king Amdir in the Second Age, and the Quenya name was probably given by Galadriel. According to some of Tolkien's earlier writings, before the Sindar elves arrived, the name used by the local Nandor elves was Lórinand, which means valley of gold.

[@tomardans4258]

@@tolkienuntangled Treebeard has a long memory. Too bad they made him seem like a very dim Mr. Snuffleupegas in the movies.

[@tomardans4258]

@@tolkienuntangled “Do not risk getting entangled in the woods of Laurelindórenan! That is what the Elves used to call it, but now they make the name shorter: Lothlórien they call it. Perhaps they are right: maybe it is fading, not growing. Land of the Valley of Singing Gold, that was it, once upon a time. Now it is the Dreamflower. Ah well!”

[@SirAtesh]

I love your videos and although I've read most of the books regarding middle earth my memory betrays me eventually, so these kind of videos help me remember and also learn a few new things i missed or wasn't aware of. But as a growing channel with great potential i think i am compelled to write what i don't like as constructive criticism. Obviously you are more knowledgeable on the matter than I am yet your pronunciation could definitely improve, for example I think 'u' "Turgon" should be pronounced not like 'fur' but 'to' and 'put' . I stumbled on your channel not long ago and can't wait listen what you had published until now. Wish you best of luck.

[@tolkienuntangled]

Thanks!

[@Crafty_Spirit]

Geographically speaking, the House of Finarfin resided between Fingolfin's and Fëanor's house... I think this was done to keep tensions between the noble families to a minimum, Finarfin's children were the least hot-headed (don't know about Angrod and Aegnor though)

[@tolkienuntangled]

I think you're absolutely right! The House of Finarfin certainly do seem like the peacemakers of the royal family. Finarfin certainly was.

[@Crafty_Spirit]

@@tolkienuntangled Maedhros was wise to move eastwards with his house, and even though I don't doubt the sincereness of his motives, I also think he never stood a chance of remaining High King, as Fëanor... well what was Fëanor thinking? I think he resigned from kingship by abandoning most of the Noldor in the north of Aman, I don't think if he'd survived that he'd cling onto kingship, both he and his sons were hated by the bulk of their people; Maedhros, too, likely had no chance of either convincing or enforcing the Noldor to accept him as king. I like to think that he told himself "you know what? My people have good reasons to not be ruled by me" and thus decided to formally abdicate out of humility and repentence, not not spiteful resignation. ... speaking of noble houses, what is your favourite version of Gil-Galad's ancestry and why? 😁

[@tolkienuntangled]

@@Crafty_Spirit I think Gil-galad's parentage is a really interesting question, but I do have a strong preference for him being the son of Fingon as opposed to Orodreth. Being Fingon's son does raise the question of why Turgon became king instead of Gil-galad, but I think this can be explained by Gil-galad's youth at the time, and the dire situation the Noldor are in when Fingon dies. The reason I prefer the Fingon ancestry is because I really like the symmetry of Fingolfin giving his life to cripple Morgoth in a one-on-one duel with the Dark Lord of the First Age, and then his grandson Gil-galad also giving his life to cripple Sauron in a one-on-one (or two-on-one) duel with the Dark Lord of the Second Age. It's a powerful bookend for the royal dynasty of Fingolfin.

[@Crafty_Spirit]

@@tolkienuntangled Wow your thoughts are almost exactly the same as I had! I feel like many nerds prefer him being Orodreth's son because it comes later in Tolkien's writing but I think the professor showed bad taste in that one (or had reasons I missed). Fingolfin, Fingon, and Gil-Galad also all died in eyesight of a volcano (and fortress of evil). And I think Ereinion means something like Scion of Kings which suits the son of the High King better than the son of Nargothrond's replacement king. Also, you'd have to rewrite most of what is written about him in the Silmarillion, changing his parentage would raise the question why on Earth was he entrusted to Círdan and not sent to Nargothrond, which was more safe at the time. Regarding lines of succession: I think that is easy to dismiss as a problem, because we don't really have a reason to assume that kingship passes from father to eldest son. Rather it seems likely that there were no established rules as Elves are expected to live forever. And because age matters so much in Tolkien's works, I think there was a seniority principle in effect (deliberate or not). Who was the oldest descendant of Finwe at his death? Fëanor. Who was the oldest after his death? Fingolfin. Repeat that with Fingon and Turgon (sorry no girls allowed).

[@tolkienuntangled]

@@Crafty_Spirit yeah I think they're very good points. I also really like the idea of Gil-galad being sent to live with Cirdan in the Havens, whil Fingon is ruling in the north. By the time Gil-galad's in his prime, Cirdan is one of his top advisers, and I like to imagine Gil-galad looking to Cirdan as both an adviser and also like an avuncular father figure.

[@krystianklima2503]

Much love! 😉

[@joshuapolites374]

I just started watching the channel and I am digging it. You really know your shit man. The only problem I have is that there's not enough so get your ass to work and feed the beast. Seriously though nicely done Sir J.R.R.T would be proud. Keep it up. I will be waiting.

[@ObsidianAngiris]

I find it hard to believe that things would grow in front of the doors of Angband

[@bubbahottep8644]

Sir, d'you have a podcast with these on audio? Thanks.

[@tolkienuntangled]

I don't unfortunately. Maybe one day in the future

[@bubbahottep8644]

@@tolkienuntangled I look forward to it. I work with my hands all day, so can only enjoy your vids infrequently, in snippets.

[@kevinsullivan3448]

Turgon turned secrecy up to 11.

[@GeraldM_inNC]

Here's a question I've been wondering about. What was the population size? How many Noldor were in Valinor? How many Noldor went into exile" How many arrived alive in Middle Earth? How many were alive (including their Sindarin allies) as of the Battle of Unnumbered Tears? How many were alive after Doriath, Nargothrond and Gondolin fell? How many were alive when the Valar arrived to battle Morgoth? Anyone want to take some educated guesses?

[@joshbaker6963]

I don’t want to take a guess. But certainly interested in the answers to these questions.

[@kenparsons7686]

We really only know of a couple dozen by name. I’m thinking the early First Age Elves in Beleriand might have numbered in the low thousands at most, spread across an area the size of the eastern US. A bit later cities like Gondolin might have been 5-10,000 or so. Based on my readings, I can’t see more than about 15-20,000 at their zenith before the Bragorlach. Could be wrong, but I don’t think the Elves were ever very numerous.

[@GeraldM_inNC]

@@kenparsons7686 That sounds about right to me.

[@stevenp.6062]

Here are the complete storylines that should have been developed into movies or a series. What a waste the current shallow effort on Amazon is . When these videos and illustrations show all what should have been done.

[@brendonohagan1946]

I always felt the Lady of light had a thing for my man Gandalf

[@Raziel1984]

19:16 : Noldor on their own? No Valar or Maia should aid or hinder them? .... *cough * ...Thorondor... *cough * oh and whats up with Oromë? did he stop hunting in middle earth after the exile of the noldor or before that?

[@haroldgodwinson5981]

You sound like terry jones,...anyone else hear it?

[@johnbigboote8900]

Now that you point it out; He has the same accent, the same tempo and cadence. Good ear.

[@johnchukwuemekaagbaeze6473]

Rainbow Dav is totally in love with Finrod 🥵🥵

[@fred20097]

There's a problem here regarding Galadriel. In the lord of the rings, the fellowship gets to stay with her a few days, she gives them a few helpful gifts and she's active a little behind the scenes when her own realm is threatened. Considering that lotr is 3 thick volumes long, she hardly features at all. In rings of p, she 'kicks ass' and then some. But in lotr? Pfft