The Battle of Glory | Of the Lords of Beleriand : Silmarillion Explained - Part 3 of 10

[@jeromyframe1930]

Killing it Dave. In all seriousness, I hope one day a studio could learn from your series and turn these stories in a series. To be able to see the first age depicted on tv would be Amazing. If you ever start Twitter or Facebook please share, we need to spread the word to more people. Your content is too good Dave. Blessings!!!

[@Labyrinth1010]

You took the words out of my mouth. A series led by Dave would be perfection.

[@peteharper2687]

I would love that too, but unfortunately the Tolkien estate will not allow the rights to these stories. The Hobbit, The Lord of the Rings and what is found in the appendices are all they have the rights too.

[@obZen327]

@@peteharper2687 Honestly... It's better that way... Nowadays no matter what you do, studios will demand full diversity in any new show or movie series.. I am all for diversity in the real world, but when you are capturing these most particular, brilliant works of art, there is no place for politically correct BS. It would be turned into a cast filled with every race of color, LGBTQ forced gay couple-scenes, and all in all, just butchered works that would destroy this amazing book / lore. Which should be 100% protected and renowned by true fans until the end of days.

[@gutterpeach]

@@obZen327 there is nothing wrong with inclusivity if it is done well.

[@weseethetruth158]

Fk that I hope the Tolkien estate never gives rights up to anything again. It just gets ruined.

[@brookejochens7304]

You, sir, are performing a public service by doing these videos! Reading the Silmarillion is such a daunting task. You put it into a format that is informative, entertaining, and wildly addicting! I do hope that when the Amazon series comes out that you review each episode and compare to the text. I don’t know how I’m just now finding your channel, but PLEASE keep doing your thing Rainbow Dave! Stay groovy 🌈

[@tolkienuntangled]

Thanks so much! I'm really glad you enjoy the channel.

[@michaelweichandt6830]

You’re telling of the tales should win an award. So immersing. Job well done

[@tolkienuntangled]

Thanks!

[@MisterOcclusion]

You're rapidly becoming my favorite narrator on this subject. You've real passion, and a gift for exposition

[@gutterpeach]

I don’t think I have commented before. I wanted to let you know a few things. First of all, I tried to read the Silmarillion but I found it hard to comprehend - not only is this an expertly compounded telling of its contents, but it’s brilliantly put together and I don’t find myself confused. I could read the Silmarillion after your series, I think. Secondly - what a fricken effort it must be to make these. These videos are long and chock full of information and tidbits. I appreciate your passion for the telling of it and I want to say thank you for making these videos. Thirdly - I have bad anxiety. I started reading The Hobbit one night as an audiobook to help calm me and allow me to relax enough to sleep, and there my obsession started. After reading The Hobbit a few times, I then read Lord of the Rings. The next logical step was The Silmarillion, and I think there’s some more lore books (Legend of Middle Earth or something) after that? I digress. I wanted to thank you from the bottom of my heart for explaining the story in a more simple way and doing so in a way that is just as calming as reading the other books. Thank you! I’m going to continue to crochet and listen before I go to bed; but I thought I’d leave a comment as I am quite a few videos in to your channel now and I haven’t expressed my gratitude yet! ❤

[@cynthias7299]

For further reading I would suggest; The Book of Lost Tales Part 1 & 2, and The Lays of Beleriand. (These are the first 3 books in the 12 volume set The History of Middle-Earth). They can be a bit hard to get through but there are a lot of lore to get from them. The book Unfinished Tales of Numenor and Middle-Earth. There are some new publications that expand on stories from The Silmarillion. Beren and Luthien, The Children of Hurin, The Fall of Gondolin. There is also a great map book The Atlas of Middle-Earth by Karen Wynn Fonstad. Not sure which Audiobook you're using but my favorite for Lord of the Rings is read by Rob Inglis. He does an Amazing job!! For the Silmarillion, the version Martin Shaw is very well done. Hope this helps.

[@Billabongbabalog]

You're a really good guy for that ending 😂❤

[@ellenkirby8366]

Fantastic vids. Thank you.

[@ciukilp]

I am currently rewatching your Videos before going to sleep (also keep them running while sleeping and pick it back up where I last remember) from the first Video watched i fell in love with your Channel. The Passion and Insight you have plus your to me very entrancing style of narration is incredible. I find myself watching your Videos without noticing how much time has gone by. I can simply lay down all my weariness. It is as If I am sitting in the woods of Lothlorien listening to Elves telling me of the days of old.

[@mariacvale]

I do exactly the same! Such a treat!

[@bonzzo777]

Me2 love it

[@Brandon_Bonanza]

I haven't been able to stop watching your channel since I came across it, great work!

[@luckyspurs]

The suppression of Welsh was the first thing I thought of, when you said about restricting language.

[@cuddles31]

That bit about Welsh and Scottish was insane! I had no idea. 2005!!

[@skatemetrix]

You really do bring the Silmarillion to life- and your emphasis on Thingol's ban on the Quenya is an interesting one whose consequences are bigger than I thought they would be. So that's so amazingly typical of Tolkien: a single event can have a larger number of consequences then would be readily apparent, yet we see them play out in the future.

[@loutowers6529]

Impressive interpretation of a complex subject, complete with fantastical languages and difficult names. Well done.

[@northernpaladin66]

Great one

[@ianheins650]

Nice work dude

[@Djynni]

You can look at Finrod not "snitching" on the kinslayers as noble, but I agree with Thingol that what Finrod really did was fail to warn his hosts about the evil of the true perpetrators.

[@michaelogrady232]

Dave -- You are the best for content and delivery. Well done.

[@13RBruce]

Thank you!

[@_anneli_]

**Aegnor has left the chat** the poor man 😅 Thank you for the great videos! Just been binging them for a while now and can't get enough! Please don't ever stop 🙏🏻

[@Labyrinth1010]

Damn, Dave! Every. Single. Video is incredible. So, so good. I hope you’re considering a book, or series of books, or a TV/film series. You’re that good. Amazing.

[@tolkienuntangled]

Thanks so much! I'm really really glad you enjoy the videos. As it goes, I actually am in the process of writing a novel.

[@Labyrinth1010]

@@tolkienuntangled my friend, you have no idea how much. I think you really could write some incredible Tolkien lore/history books. There aren't many who pull from all of the various books of the legendarium quite like you. It's great. Your passion for the material always shines through.

[@vincentclark5739]

I’ve been listening for a week or two at home, but listened the whole time at work today and had to subscribe. I work outdoors and I probably listened to The Silmarillion at least 10 times on KZbin before they removed the audiobook. But your channel delves deep into all the lore and I’m so happy and impressed with your channel! Thanks for making this content

[@thehighguarduk4820]

Fantastic video, really well told as are all your videos. I know the Silmarillion very well as it is my favourite of Tolkien's works but you really do make the story, world and characters come to life with your retelling, their are people I know who resist reading the book who would read it after watching your videos. Very well done sir, keep up the amazing work. Finrod is my favourite too, nobility, selflessness, wisdom and kindness all wrapped up in the same brave and mighty elf prince. How could he not be my favourite. 😎😁👍

[@gib59er56]

@ TheHighGuard Your name caught my eye, and I guess you know what it means. So, I do as do you think The Silmarillion is Tolkien`s best, and Tolkien himself began writing it before he even want to WWI. I kind of get annoyed at people who refuse to read, and rely on these great videos. I should not think like that, because I am not them, and cannot judge them. But one thing does bother me , is the new artwork that is drawn and it is all film based, in arms and gear. The swords are one sided and bent with a katana-like handle , the helms are like the movie, and armor too. That is not how Elven blades were. They were two sided and straight, one and two handed. The armor should be chainmail and the helms would not have the silly topblade-like peak. LOL, just a pet peeve of mine. What do you think? I am always interested to speak with another Tolkien fan.

[@damienhughes7228]

Great videos. So informative too. Love the Tolkien lore.

[@christianeweckop4507]

your channel is my favourite now, I am really impressed by the amount of research and work you put in your videos.

[@maedrosGR]

god,that part of language forbiden was amazing.i really enjoy your videos,your lore and accent :)

[@Phuskooz]

This day just went from good to great!! Thanks, Rainbow Dave!

[@torontomame]

Thanks for posting these! I love your channel.

[@Prilliyo]

Honestly you know a lot and make it simple for me to understand

[@LaurensCorner]

major love to you for mentioning Scottish Gaelic.

[@humblegamer7876]

Currently reading the stand alone print version of beren and luthien and the fall of gondolin, i want to come back and watch a bunch of your recent videos after ive sort of tread the path a bit myself Glad to see you still at it friend

[@Ouium]

Way back, in Russian Empire time, there was big and heavy wooden planks that was imposed on the students, who dared to speak minority language (in case of my country - Belarusian). It was engraved with "He spoken X language" and was quite popular. Also, since stalin time in the USSR "rusiphication" begin anew (this time as part of effort of buildingnew, soviet identity), although native languages was not outright prohibited. So yeah, ban on noldor language is pretty significant.

[@arezdracul8650]

As always, an awesome job my friend. Love your videos and your easy explanation of the First age for someone like me.

[@arezdracul8650]

As always a great and awesome job in making your videos, your explanation of the first age, and making it easy for someone like me to follow with ease. Thank you

[@marleyjr00]

Dave I'ma be real with you. I legit want you to make a show.

[@courtneysorensen1239]

Art! I love all your videos. Cant praise the effort enough.

[@tolkienuntangled]

Thanks!

[@jeffagain7516]

I truly love every story the esteemed JRR and of course, his Son Christopher has provided us and in fact own pretty much all printed works. But... one thing that has always had me scratch my head in consternation is, how did the Noldor become such esteemed warriors, when until their return from Aman to Middle-Earth, they had no enemies to confront and hone their skills as such? For that matter, they show up in Middle-Earth and have impressive weapons during the "Battle Under Stars" but where did they forge these weapons and why? They didn't get an email to the effect "btw, lots of Orcs here, bring swords". Anyway, it 's not a huge point but one that always bugged me. Great Vid! Thanks!

[@kellygiles3823]

I enjoy your videos so much Rainbow Dave :) thank you

[@krystianklima2503]

Better and better 💪

[@Jippa_33]

Soo.. Thingol was, not happy. 🤣 I’m really enjoying ur videos! Well done & thank you

[@cmw12]

Wonderful presentation! I ask again though, how/when did the elves become such skilled warriors? When during the peace of Valinor did they train, and from whom did they learn? Had Fingolfin, that apparently mighty soldier, ever wielded a blade before Feanor pressed his new invention against his half-brother's chest?

[@dembro27]

Welsh being surpressed on Earth while the language it inspired, Sindarin, becoming the common Elvish tongue on Middle-earth is quite ironic.

[@annafdd]

I love listening to your recounting of the legendarium even if I am quite familiar with it. I am not sure I can stand to go through the Nirnaeth Arnoediad, though. Separately, Thingol is hands down my least favorite character, and I include Celegorm and Curufin in that - hell, I include *Sauron*, for which I have a shameful fondness.

[@Eruvondy]

I love your videos. I was wondering what song is playing in the background on The Glorious Battle video?

[@tolkienuntangled]

Thanks, i'm really glad you enjoy the videos! All the music is credited in the order it's used in the video description.

[@Eruvondy]

@@tolkienuntangled It was Phoenix by Scott Buckley. The music sometimes adds something. Just an awesome song when talking about a battle whether in victory or defeat.

[@Deafmonkey21]

"Beams of Maiar juice" - Rainbow Dave 2021

[@zivgil7496]

תודה!

[@shehassee]

Beams of Amir juice is hysterical!

[@ericlebeau1604]

Thank you for your comment on banning languages. Also the image of Sitting Bull. It strikes home for an alguonkian speaker of north east americas.

[@garretttekampe9564]

I think each one of these videos should be the narrative blueprint for an entire season of a show to focus on. This would top anything that Amazon could come up with and are probably ruining as well speak.

[@KickassMcfly]

"morgoths supposed intelligence" is my favourite line hahaha

[@J0HNJ0RDAN]

"His younger brother, I ignore." Typical 😂

[@gmdwill]

I initially thought I would’ve waited for of the Robert Wadlow of Middle-earth to come out of his 250-year-long trance had I been part of the Teleri, but learning about his abuse of his stature and status to suppress the freedom of speech of another language, I would’ve been angry at the thought of sacrificing my opportunity to expose myself to the Trees of Valinor for this clown.

[@colindunnigan8621]

"I think you're confusing Peace with Quiet." Ultron

[@fredkrissman6527]

Why aren't the first 2 parts of this series available anymore?!? Thanx

[@tolkienuntangled]

No idea why they're not working. If you type Tolkien Untangled Lords of Beleriand into the search bar, you should be able to play all the videos in the playlist

[@fredkrissman6527]

Thanx much,@@tolkienuntangled! I've just been hunting them down on your home pg. I am a new subber who loves your channel! I may spend the remainder of my retired life listening to all this wonderful content... Peace&Love

[@tolkienuntangled]

@@fredkrissman6527 that's so lovely, thank you very much!

[@AlmostaCountry]

"An unfortunate amount of kinslaying." Lol

[@zivgil7496]

You are so wonderful. So I am speechless

[@davidthetraveler1466]

Now there's a sight to see. The dreaded walls of Angband, terrible, fear-inducing, offset by the most beautiful fields of flowers the world has ever seen. That really had to be ruining Morgoth's street cred.

[@volrosku.6075]

Cirdan I prefer over almost any Elf other than Elrond and Gilgalad though the first age is very much a haze for me. Though I'm looking forward to the coming of berahir aswell as the great stories of beren & luthian. Its a fine exploration of the great times before the battle of sudden flame.

[@jameshitt3263]

Overall, I think the House of Fingolfin is the most tragic, and the House Finarfin the most noble. (And the House of Feanor being the most.....exasperating I guess haha).

[@buntun3670]

Daeron - another name JRR Martin borrowed from the Professor

[@TheMarcHicks]

Funny story but, when I was a kid, I loved Lord of the Rings but found The Silmarillion to be almost impenetrable. However, as I have grown older, I have come to love The Silmarillion even more than Lord of the Rings!

[@ireneylk1061]

Great videos! Only, how are the Noldor at all to blame for Morgoth's return? You can blame them for other things but not that. Also, where does it say that Fingolfin himself took part in the Kinslaying? I've left my Lost Stories behind you see and cannot consult them.

[@keilynbotacio8445]

So what does it mean? What you say in the opening and at the end

[@tolkienuntangled]

In this video I say 'alatulya meldonyar ar hara mariessë' which is Quenya for 'welcome my friends and live well in happiness'. In slightly more recent videos I switch to Sindarin and say 'mae g'ovannen melyn nin a meneg suilaid' which means 'well met my friends and a thousand greetings'. At the end of each video I say 'navaer melyn nin', which means farewell my friends.

[@keilynbotacio8445]

@@tolkienuntangled thank you very much

[@jandunn169]

Deep breath....we all need a break from Morgoth!!!! Ollo Vae!!!!

[@jordanadams5719]

Soooo... Why do you ignore Angrods brother??? Lol

[@AshGreen359]

A more recent example is that Ukraine banned the use of the Russian language

[@conormurphy1954]

As an Irish person, particularly an Irish person with the Irish language, you do not need to explain the importance of language to me, or how suppressing it is terriboe

[@jared654]

How did Morgoth know about the kinslaying if he was already on the other continent I wonder.

[@MegaJacko4]

Was Aegnor with his siblings also during this confrontation? It feels like he should be there but there is no evidence of it as Tolkien has never actually given him any speaking parts.

[@tolkienuntangled]

I assume he was, but you're right he doesn't say anything.

[@benlittle5543]

I would take some Maiar juice......

[@TheBaronAmaruPhoenix]

Whats the saying in the beginning

[@tolkienuntangled]

I say 'Alatulya meldonyar ar hara mariessë' which is Quenya for 'welcome my friends and live well in happiness'.

[@TheBaronAmaruPhoenix]

@@tolkienuntangled ohhh ok thanks was gonna repost the making of the world with those words had forgotten when you explained it in one of the videos I believe thanks again

[@bryanboobaby]

I hope I spelled it right probably not but I’m not Tolkien

[@chickenmonger123]

I don’t ever want to hear “Maiar Juice” again.

[@8Smoker8]

I wouldn't pass Galadriel fighting for the Teleri as canon.

[@bryanboobaby]

You have a man crush on ciridan

[@tolkienuntangled]

It's true. I do.

[@bryanboobaby]

@@tolkienuntangled I know you do it’s ok … I love Feanor he seems crazy enough..

[@spencerlandreth5746]

“Maiar juice” 😅😅😅

[@MultiAshfaqkhan]

Wasn't Sindarin a Quenyan word. I wonder what they named their language after banning quenya 😂

[@gamera2020]

If Meghan comes by your house, maybe she'll bring muffns and fresh eggs at least.

[@tomasbleho1775]

@ 26 minutes , it is still happening . unfortunately the people do not see this , as in ukraine , the russian language being condemned and banned in east parts .

[@Nutinwrkz]

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[@cartoonistanonymous]

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[@manlikemo1659]

Lol the targaryen sounding a lil fraudulent rn lol

[@tsemiu]

I hate that she can't fire maiar juice at her enemies. It's the only thing about Tolkiens lore I never liked. Magic was too subtle.

[@cuddles31]

I really dislike Thingol lol

[@GingerTheMusical]

Maiar juice haha

[@nickdarr7328]

I'm watching this again to remove the terrible taste of rings of power

[@mrgimbab4294]

Marvel juice 😂

[@chickenmonger123]

I don’t ever want to hear “Maiar Juice” again.