Nobody tell them they’re talking about a game created by Arthur Warhammer and Charlie Fortikaye
@fishteapot41303 жыл бұрын
Glad they followed in the teachings of the revolutionary designer Terry T. Table-Top
@rojh93513 жыл бұрын
@@fishteapot4130 The basic dice design was by Dee Siks.
@KyrieFortune3 жыл бұрын
To think this couldn't have been possible without the work of James Dungeons and Richard Dragons, Arthur and Charlie were big fans of their game and were inspired by it
@kushtakathenomad83853 жыл бұрын
@@KyrieFortune don't forget that James and Richard got the idea from Kevin Fantasy.
@alchemispark77512 жыл бұрын
not to mention james workshop
@kuradamax2 жыл бұрын
"the dumbest retcon in 40k" And then GW proceeded to make Jimmy Space canon
@GentlemanBystander2 жыл бұрын
That might actually get me to start giving them money again.
@shadowrobot77082 жыл бұрын
I mean they made a women who worked on the black carapace for the Astartes project and called her Amat Astartes. So pretty close.
@alyssinclair8598 Жыл бұрын
@@shadowrobot7708 yeah but astartes were always named after a phonecian goddess of war so like, this is kinda fine to me lmao
@Daktangle9 ай бұрын
Given the Land Raider came out in 1988, and then 2 years later they added the lore behind the name in White Dwarf 129, it's not really a retcon.
@jolvergan78787 ай бұрын
While you're technically correct, these guys are just having fun, and yours is a silly point to defend.
@rojh93513 жыл бұрын
No-one tell them about the inventor of the Combat Walker, Dr. Ed Naught.
@warlordwurzoggwigsplittaht29332 жыл бұрын
Lol.
@Balsiefen4 жыл бұрын
Tom: "The attempt on my life has left me scarred and deformed."
@epsilondelta29674 жыл бұрын
Mr. Thunder always made the BEST hammers
@rosiedosies4 жыл бұрын
And the best warriors
@novaseer3 жыл бұрын
ah yes, Maxwell Thunder
@LaWraWaN3 жыл бұрын
Alfred Chain and Richard Power makes some good melee weapons aswell
@taliesin1592 жыл бұрын
I know it's a year later, but I just wanted to say that I've always been fond of Mr. Grav's hammers, myself. You know? From HALO?
@fafikommander19032 жыл бұрын
Those hammers were invented by Thunderwarrior.
@ode58944 жыл бұрын
Thank you. The God Emperor Jimmy protects!
@martind56533 жыл бұрын
Man Emperor of Mankind Jimmy Space!
@thejuiceking2219 Жыл бұрын
yes, Jimmy Marine
@JimmySpace694 ай бұрын
I am not the Messiah
@thehelldoicallthis92413 жыл бұрын
The cheaf scientist in making the space marines was called Amar Astarte. No Im not joking thats actually why they are called Astartes
@wilmagregg31313 жыл бұрын
wait what? but wasnt the cheif scientist the emperor? because he designned and made all the first batch of space marines?
@thehelldoicallthis92413 жыл бұрын
@@wilmagregg3131 there were other people working on the project under him
@dororo1013 жыл бұрын
That is not cannon to me as it is too fucking dumb. I draw the line somewhere.
@matthiuskoenig33783 жыл бұрын
@@dororo101 gosh the earlier editions was mutch better Adeptus astartes was in rogue trader (and is more or less in latin) for masters of the stars (Adeptus is the masculine form of the latin for achiever/master(y), astartes is the astēr* [star] with the suffex tes [the state of being]) *yes 'a star' comes from 'astēr'
@kasperdjerns28653 жыл бұрын
@@matthiuskoenig3378 Really? I thought it was inspired by Astarte, the ancient egyptian (and other nations) goddess of endless war. But I admit, this being GW, that the actual explanation might be that silly
@fafikommander19032 жыл бұрын
Fun fact: The Halos were build by John Halo and the Speeder Bikes are named after Starspeeder Wars, a technician who works for the Republic.
@AimlessSavant Жыл бұрын
The Bolt gun was made by one, Adreus Bolter.
@mranderson7182 жыл бұрын
It’s funny bc GW genuinely retconned lore so the head scientist on the space marine project was named Astartes.
@N0TYALC Жыл бұрын
Not a retcon. Stop using words you don’t understand, please. If you can’t find a quote where they offer a different explanation for the name’s origin, then adding an origin is not a retcon.
@amandag.6186 Жыл бұрын
@@N0TYALC I retcon your reply
@Reliken9 ай бұрын
@@N0TYALC"retroactive continuity." That means they retroactively decide to say that X was connected to Y, when initially there was just Y. Retcons do not have to involve changing one thing to another, merely adding a thing that was previously unestablished meets the literal definition.
@JohnathanJWells6 ай бұрын
@@Reliken Right, but that's why the term was invented to begin with. Explaining an old term isn't necessarily a retcon.
@fefega8 күн бұрын
Ah, so it was a retcon. @@N0TYALC
@PhileasLiebmann3 жыл бұрын
Nobody tell them that the Astartes were actually named after a scientist who worked with the Emperor called Amar Astarte. Edit: since a lot of people are memeing this right now, this is not a joke. This is official lore and it's mentioned in the Belisarius Cawl novel and is a minor part of the Constantin Valdor novel.
@niks36322 жыл бұрын
This is part of the "new lore" that i personally refuse to acknowledge. Its stupid stuff that some author came up with without thinking much about it.
@PhileasLiebmann2 жыл бұрын
@@niks3632 I actually love this and I vehemently disagree that Guy Haley and Chris Wright didn't think about it. I wouldn't even be hugely surprised if someone told me a version of the character of Amar existed long before the Cawl novel in some internal story design documents at GW. "Astartes" literally means "of Astarte" in Latin after all and you can't tell me that nobody at GW knew enough Latin for over two decades to notice they totally butchered "Asterum" (or "Astrorum" if you're felling spicy) in the name of their main product. And yes, it's totally stupid and ridiculous, especially considering what happened to her (like why the fuck would the Emperor name his military after a person who betrayed him?) and also her motivation was kind of nonsensical (the entire coup plot was, honestly). But that ass backwards ridiculousness so perfectly encapsulates the spirit of the Imperium as a faction, it's great. And it's not like it matters or changes anything, it's just a neat fun fact.
@dragb92842 жыл бұрын
I know of it and I personally refuse to acknowledge this
@N0TYALC Жыл бұрын
@@niks3632 Literally why? Malcador, Dorn, and Russ all have tanks named after them that they didn’t help invent at all. Why is it so insulting to you that other weapons were named after the people who helped create them? Did you prefer “Astartes” to be an absolute nonsense word that the Emperor just pulled out of his ass? Do you think that’s how we name things in the real world? We call it the Hubble telescope, not the Floozisax Telescope.
@harfgarflarf11 ай бұрын
@@N0TYALC Who are Adeptus Custodes named after?
@TykusBalrog4 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I wanted to show this clip to some friends only to realize that it went, along with all the other videoes Thatmadcat uploaded.
@SnowOrShine4 жыл бұрын
^Exactly why I made it!
@henryblackburn38564 жыл бұрын
Same, just sent it to him
@PierceArner4 жыл бұрын
Yogs Live has the bit where Tom comes back and explains why it got him so good. Also, I am forever grateful that this moment spawned the "Lorehammer or Yourhammer" segment of their streams (which get added to the Tom & Ben channel now).
@voodoominerman Жыл бұрын
@@PierceArner Actually, as far as I can recall, Yourhammer or Lorehammer began as a result of John Grammaticus and his time travelling scissors.
@bensarchminion4 жыл бұрын
There is actually precedent for something like this happening in real life, for examples PageRanking is not called that because they rank web pages, but because they were invented in part by a guy named Larry Page.
@Kaanfight3 жыл бұрын
Lmao life is just as silly as fantasy
@ChairmanJMao3 жыл бұрын
@@callumwoolsey4446 discovered famously by Freezon Von Coolage
@CallanElliott3 жыл бұрын
It's not that naming things after the person who invented/discovered, its more that the retconning is kind of dumb.
@haydes12853 жыл бұрын
Yeah like hookers and sideburns being named after civil war officers
@megumin10542 жыл бұрын
@@CallanElliott Arkand Land has been around since 3rd edition, lorelet.
@Schmitty6002 жыл бұрын
Always wanted to kitbash up a squad of tech priests, Arkan land, Johnny laz, Nathaniel Stub, Sabastien Bolt,
@kenobiwanobi889 Жыл бұрын
Don't forget about their pal Terry Titan
@jesseburrows2341 Жыл бұрын
@@kenobiwanobi889 you forgot my man Polly Plasma
@OneNationUnderPug11 ай бұрын
Is there a guy actually named Stubbs in one of Warhammer games?
@msf20005 ай бұрын
@@OneNationUnderPug Vance Stubbs, the leader of Kauravan Imperial Guard regiment
@travishimebaugh83814 жыл бұрын
It's the right of all explorers and scientists to name things after themselves! How dare you insult the memory of Peebee Anjay!
@AsbestosMuffins4 жыл бұрын
the funny part is its not even that far off, they ARE named after someone
@knightlypoleaxe25013 жыл бұрын
hm, yes, ms *Astartes*
@ianduarte19929 ай бұрын
I cant wait for GW reveals that corpse starch was created by Marcus G. Corpse.
@shadowreaperjb3 жыл бұрын
Arkhan Belt: rediscoverer of the Belt buckle
@3204663 жыл бұрын
End so the emperor jimmy was entombed on the golden throne
@RedXD423 жыл бұрын
Invented by the Dark Age-scientek, Phoebe Golden
@chrisdabeard87904 жыл бұрын
Hey guys, this has been cannon since White Dwarf 245 in May of 2000. They did a whole article on Land Raiders and Arkhan Land was mentioned for the first time. Still a bit daft though.
@JasonEnos3 жыл бұрын
It was 100% around before then. At the 40k International Tournament in 1995, one of the quiz questions was on this so Arkham Land was around then.
@chrisdabeard87903 жыл бұрын
@@JasonEnos I stand corrected. 👍
@branominal Жыл бұрын
@@chrisdabeard8790 white dwarf 129 back in 1990 talks about Arkhan Land, the retcon was only 2 years after the vehicles came out in 88
@N0TYALC Жыл бұрын
@@branominalNot a retcon. Stop using words you don’t understand.
@branominal Жыл бұрын
@@N0TYALC what would you call it?
@Capri42PRG5 ай бұрын
One of my absolute favourite yogscast clips of all time. Pure gold
@ShasOFish3 жыл бұрын
Also implying that Arkhan Land invented the Scaper.
@AvatarRiku3 жыл бұрын
I don’t even play Warhammer but I need a Jimmy Space shirt
@Ox5f3759df9 ай бұрын
that's "James Space" to you, bucko
@RockyJones_TM3 жыл бұрын
One of my favourite moments with Tom and Ben!
@Dustbinlid1 Жыл бұрын
When you read about Land and his character, it makes a lot more sense. Also Land is pretty epic in the siege, .e.g a world eater tries to kill him and screams "blood for the blood god" Land instead shoots him in the face and goes "blood for the machine god"
@fredranzalot48494 жыл бұрын
I'm really glad this is around again. Do you think it'd be possible to rescue the clip of tom and ben discussing "race" in GTA?
@Alicorn_4 жыл бұрын
kzbin.info/www/bejne/aKacf5Z3Zcd2d7s @8:35
@ludwigvr32122 жыл бұрын
Reminds me of Anathema from Good Omens claiming the same about the naming conventions of most basic devices in the world.
@marinesinspace6253 Жыл бұрын
Cyrus T. Doodad, America's foremost black inventor.
@tomdenhollander22894 жыл бұрын
this needs to be big e's name going forward
@dave-ish80983 жыл бұрын
Jimmy Space strikes again!
@Deivid-bn6yw3 жыл бұрын
The day twitch chat almost killed Tom
@warlordwurzoggwigsplittaht29332 жыл бұрын
Don't freak out when you realize that the Leman Russ battle tank is named after the space wolves primarch..Leman Russ.
@N0TYALC Жыл бұрын
Malcador was named after Malcador. The Rogal Dorn was named after Rogal Dorn. The Hubble telescope was named after Hubble. The Maxim Gun was named after Maxim. But god forbid the Land Raider be named after Land.
@bigoistin9125Ай бұрын
Pretty sure the leman russ battle tank was named after Mr. Batt Le Tank
@BONAH4211 ай бұрын
Funny that that one guy in chat (altho tom and ben deserve at least a bit of credit for having a convo related to it) spawned a meme still used in 40k circles today
@buttermilkslam Жыл бұрын
thank the Emperor for Jebidiah Plasma for inventing the plasma gun
@blinky2972 жыл бұрын
Fuckin Jimmy Space. Best moment in the Yogscast right here.
@thomasparkin2599 ай бұрын
Honestly I love this, it's so goddamn silly it's a return to form for 40k .
@louiscrabbmarche7 ай бұрын
Actually, John Moses Browning invented the Stub guns
@Hatypus2 жыл бұрын
One small thing I would note is that Arkhan Land isn't a retcon, but dates to when the lore was still 90% jokes and satire.
@branominal Жыл бұрын
Land raiders and land speeders had already been in the game for something like 2 years before Arkhan Land was introduced, and the names made sense, which is why it is considered a retcon
@harfgarflarf Жыл бұрын
Arkhan Land is surprisingly old, but is still technically a retcon, I believe the first reference to him is a year or two after the first models came out
@Hatypus Жыл бұрын
@@harfgarflarf Technically not a retcon if the Land Raider, Land Speeder etc. were not written as referring to the ground anyway.
@N0TYALC Жыл бұрын
@@branominal Still not a retcon.
@N0TYALC Жыл бұрын
@@harfgarflarf It’s not a retcon, you do not know what the word means. They simply expanded the lore. If this is a retcon, then Darth Vader being Luke’s father was a retcon.
@mjg14774 жыл бұрын
And so a great and terrible meme was born :')
@esulises36699 ай бұрын
The cientist who created the space marines, she was named "amara astartes"
@YOGI-kb9tg10 ай бұрын
I love how jimmy space has become a meme
@CountingStars3333 жыл бұрын
Astartes are actually named after scientist amar astartes
@HandsomeLongshanks4 ай бұрын
Dumbest retcon? Pretty sure thats been lore for a while. I know this video is 2 years old as I'm posting but i even mean for a while from the context of this conversation as it was happening. Dont get me wrong, i think its a stupid thing too but thats just GW lol
@Tumbleflop3 ай бұрын
2:36 to see tom fucking die
@revolverDOOMGUY3 жыл бұрын
Nobody said anything about Amar Astarte...
@brianarnbix9818 Жыл бұрын
Ah yes Ronald Melta
@Auriorium2 жыл бұрын
And that is how we almost lost Tom ... Again XD
@jb03hf Жыл бұрын
That isnt a retcon. It was about in 3rd ed.
@Fulgrim_The_Phoenician2 жыл бұрын
Daddy spacebucks
@MrGranten2 жыл бұрын
Hey, Land dates back to 1990, just two years after the Land Raider. If the Horus Heresy stuff is guilty of anything there, it's being too faithful to early lore.
@nedcurfman34866 ай бұрын
The worst retcon in 40k is Erda
@derriktoll38575 ай бұрын
"dumbest retcon in wh40k"......... well that didn't age well.
@PotentiallyAndy Жыл бұрын
Best chat comment ever !
@RubelliteFae3 жыл бұрын
A 2020 Classic
@yakobsoulstorm51873 жыл бұрын
What I don't get is why. Like it made complete logical sense to have them be called Land Raiders but no, we gotta have a dumbass reason.
@mentlegentleman7873 Жыл бұрын
I like how in real life glock is named after gaston glock, so this won't be so far off
@gp-15423 жыл бұрын
Who in gods emperor holy divinity Names there child “lands”
@matthiuskoenig33783 жыл бұрын
land is a family name in real life: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_(surname)
@rosie80593 жыл бұрын
To be fair to Games Workshop, this isn't a retcon, this has been established lore for a very long time.
@EddThe19th3 жыл бұрын
Still a retcon because the name was given to the models before the lore was out there. And it's a pretty safe bet they were just trying to think up some cool names for some land vehicles when they first got called it. Even if the dumb joke lore followed only shortly after. An old retcon is still a retcon.
@rosie80593 жыл бұрын
@@EddThe19th That's not what a retcon is. A retcon is when you take already established canon lore and either change it or remove it entirely. Adding backstory to a name or a technology or a person is not a retcon.
@EddThe19th3 жыл бұрын
@@rosie8059 It had previous lore granted not much but it was very much there then changed to the lands stuff. Stop struggling to be right
@OodldoodlNoodlesocks3 жыл бұрын
@@rosie8059 Retcon does not need to replace established lore. It could also simply change the interpretation and understanding of established lore.
@louie97ation3 жыл бұрын
@@EddThe19th Unless it was established that it was called “Land” for another reason its not a retcon
@dysfunctionalgamer13194 жыл бұрын
Hello from reddit
@eater_of_garbage_3 жыл бұрын
reddit moment
@john-marccartagenas67063 жыл бұрын
yo
@schizosamurai88404 жыл бұрын
But isn't that a thing that happens now and then? Discoveries being named after its inventor/explorer? I get the joke, but it's hardly fair towards GW and poor Arkhan.
@SnowOrShine4 жыл бұрын
Their point is that they were already called "Land Raiders", and someone came up with a backstory that the inventor was actually called "Land" As if that was a name that didn't make sense and needed explanation!
@schizosamurai88404 жыл бұрын
@@SnowOrShine I see. Still kinda get why they changed it tho. Like, what kinda name is "Land raider", really? Its kinda silly and doesnt really say much, which isnt necessarily an issue, but Im not surprised some thought it needs bit of a background. Also goes well with Leman Russ, namesake wise. I suppose its question of personal taste
@renedegames72193 жыл бұрын
@@schizosamurai8840 I mean, the T-34 just means Tank 1934. lots of military stuff has really basic names. (also yes the T-34 was not produced in 1934, 1934 was the year that conceptualization of the model began, no I don't know why they stuck with that name)
@draochvar96463 жыл бұрын
@@renedegames7219 but that is very much a Russian thing. Like, most western military-tech producers name EVERYTHING.
@thefirstprimariscatosicari68703 жыл бұрын
@@draochvar9646 _Meanwhile in the land of the free_ The soldiers were marching behind an M1 tank, while fixing the M1 bayonets on their M1 Garands, or fastening the belts of their M1 helmets and M1 flamethrower canisters.
@TuckBolt3 жыл бұрын
I'm the 2,000th like.
@xSuperiorManx3 жыл бұрын
Why is this considered weird? Automobiles are named after their creator more often than not. Henry Ford, Carl Benz, ...
@louie97ation3 жыл бұрын
Mostly cuz “land” is an actual word that would have already made sense
@pauliusthemad34983 жыл бұрын
@@louie97ation Land is one of many last names that exist.
@louie97ation3 жыл бұрын
@@pauliusthemad3498 I’m sure it is. It’s still silly. If I found out LAVs were named after a guy named Light I’d think that was stupid too.
@sujimayne3 жыл бұрын
@@pauliusthemad3498 Ever heard of Bobby Tank?
@AleksandrSavchenkov3 жыл бұрын
@@louie97ation Enter the "Sharps Rifle". Not called that because they're meant for sharpshooting... But after Christian Sharps.
@N0TYALC Жыл бұрын
A naked man the size of a planet floating in space? Yeah, makes sense. Giant superhuman warriors that can learn memories by eating their opponents? Yeah, makes sense. Some of those superhuman warrior like to paint gaudy patterns on their armor, and go into battle armed with nothing but an electric guitar? Yeah, makes sense. An invention was named after it’s inventor? *REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE*
@sudanemamimikiki1527 Жыл бұрын
It's not that it doesn't make sense. It's just that it's absolutely dumb and pointless retcon
@megumin10542 жыл бұрын
Absolutely beyond stupid take. Ever heard of Ford Motor Company? Kalashnikov Concern? The Dragunov rifle, invented by Yuri Dragunov?
@branominal Жыл бұрын
You missed the point.
@megumin1054 Жыл бұрын
@@branominal the point is a carpet bagger twitch loser thinks he made qm oh so clever point.
@branominal Жыл бұрын
@@megumin1054 you're still missing the point
@boarfaceswinejaw4516 Жыл бұрын
the problem isn't people naming things after themselves, its when GW claims that something that has a bog-standard name was actually named after its inventor. it would be like if henry ford was named "henry Fordmotor" or if the inventro of the dragunov rifle was named "rifle".
@megumin1054 Жыл бұрын
@@boarfaceswinejaw4516 the tank is named land raider. "Land" is not a nomenclature or vehicle type. A M1 Abrams is a type of tank, the US military is not referring to all Main Battle tanks as "abrams". Your point is invalid.