Tom Disappoints Sybil | Downton Abbey

Sybil and Branson argue about the things that he kept from her.
From season 3 episode 4: Branson's political views land him in hot water, and Sybil's loyalty is tested to the limit. Meanwhile, Ethel is torn between head and heart as she makes a difficult decision about her son's future. Elsewhere, Anna is dispirited at Bates' silence.
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[@miriamhavard7621]

Sybyl was unspeakably BEAUTIFUL.......💕

[@cards0486]

Miriam Havard I hated to see her leave the show. In the U.S. if a character leaves after 3 seasons we usually assume they were “informed they would be leaving the show”. I found out from a British friend when I was watching “MI-5” (SPOOKS) that doing only 3 seasons of a show isn’t so unusual. Standard contracts are for 3 years. Many decide to use their option to move on. That was brought home sadly when we lost Matthew that same season because Dan Stevens wanted out. I looked in IMDb and saw Jessica Brown Findlay has done amazing things since poor sweet Sybil died. Dan Stevens has worked nonstop also. It’s a tribute to them, and Julian Fellowes that for 3 more years we still felt their impact.

[@gerardcollins6621]

"Lady Gregory, Countess Markievicz, why are the Irish rebels so well born?" That's the exact same question I asked when I studied Irish history! 😂

[@emilylittle1187]

Education, probably. Those in wealthier families could afford to keep their children in school, though it still was uncommon for girls to do so at this time. I’m proud of our strong ladies in that era.

[@gerardcollins6621]

@@emilylittle1187 come again?

[@D4Mathur]

That was true around the world. Most of the early Indian independence movement were people from educated wealthy families, including Gandhiji. Only they could afford to stay in the movement while continuing to feed their families. Also only they could read out about English atrocities and be exposed to freedom and equality movements from around the world. One of the biggest contributions of Gandhiji was that he took the movement to the masses and uneducated.

[@glen7318]

Most of them were modest middle class...

[@carimacavan]

Were they well born or well married??

[@georgeprchal3924]

"If only that were true." The Dowager ain't wrong.

[@lauraschoenborn3544]

The way he kisses her after she says they need peace and safety and Downton can offer them both shows that he did velue her opinion on what they need. The way he kissed her and she nodded it was his way of saying Ok.

[@paraskevipapadimitriou2830]

Tom and Sybil were my favorite couple on the show period. The fact that such important matters as their social class difference and political views didn't pull them apart only shows how much they truly loved each other. I don't think any other couple would have survived such huge differences. I really really loved Matthew and Mary together but even with everyone in their families rooting for them and their social classes being the same and almost everything being convenient they still took way too long to finally decide to be together. Sybil and Tom fought against all odds, their social class, both their families' dissaproval (not to mention Robert trying to give Tom money to leave Sybil), their different lifestyles, Tom's rebelious causes and still they loved each other more and more by the day and always showed it. Tom breaking down when Sybil was lost in Ireland and his relief when he saw her return to the house, how she stuck up for him afterwards saying they had decided this together when she had every right to be upset, to mention only one example. I accept that Tom had some strong opinions but he loved Sybil enormously and his character development was great. He and Sybil are my favorite characters in the show and after her death seeing more of him and as a father was really great, it was sad Sybil wasn't around to see how amazing he was with their daughter and how he bonded with the rest of the family.

[@marleen4358]

I completely agree, they were so amazing together and as characters

[@jayaitch88]

Yes, agree 100%. I always wished we had seen a lot more of their relationship.

[@godisholy7067]

Wow. You nailed it !! I wonder how much they could added to the shoe if they were kept on.

[@Bobrogers99]

The writing for this series was brilliant, and the actors carried off their roles with perfection. We began to think of these as real people.

[@aperson22222]

“Tom Disappoints Sybil” and the thumbnail is a picture of the two of them sitting on their bed. . . .

[@tanishaperry7738]

Exactly!!!! Very misleading...

[@pland3845]

😆😆

[@danielsark4118]

"this is our wedding night sybil" "uh huh" "i hope i don't disappoint" "take ur pants off allen" "What?" "tom"

[@AM-mg7gj]

😂😂😂😂

[@tombstonerforever9374]

KZbin have gotten rid of dislikes but it's comments like these that will make me dread the day that they get rid of comments

[@tobiassanchez455]

"OH, SO AT LEAST WE CAN SLEEP IN YOUR BEDS"

[@RLviddy]

"I never said I didn't." Ffs, Tom.

[@eleanor7]

Something that always bothered me, is that they had an Irish character in Downton. But they never really addressed how horrible the English was to the Irish. I mean they brought it up now and then. But they skirt around what happened and it never really shows how badly the upper class were to or call them out.

[@breadgirl9806]

The way the English upper class treated the Irish during the Potato Famine was honestly evil and unforgivable. I am saying that from the perspective of a black American. The English took over Ireland and then refused to even treat them as citizens and watched a million Irish people starve to death. Everyone treats Tom like an irrational radicle when his own grandparents would have faced incredible hardship due to the indifference of the British upper class. He had every reason to question the system that oppressed and neglected his people.

[@kayleighludlow9912]

Because this was 80 years later based in the 20's not the 1840's

[@LadyCheshire95]

Mostly because it's a drama written from the point if view of the Crawley family and their staff. Most of whom would have little idea or little care of what happened. To be honest downton was not involved in Ireland at all untill Branson came alot.

[@AB-zl4nh]

​@@breadgirl9806Your identity has no relevance to facts and evidence.

[@andreasoto5205]

Sybil deserved to know the truth but after all Tom was worried about his family He loved Sybil and when she died he respected her memmory I would like to see more about this lovely couple They were my reason to see Downton Abbey ❤

[@felipeestopado2346]

*lol ! This scene is pure savage, especially when The Dowagers around*

[@eughanbadli5269]

Thomas feels tingly downstairs 3:12

[@tarawrr20]

This might be an unpopular opinion but I think that last bit proves that Sybil and Branson weren’t the best match. He hated where she came from and never gave the life she led a chance until she was gone. He grew so much as a character after she died, pitty he couldn’t have seen that growth when she was alive. They would have been a happier and better suited couple.

[@miriamhavard7621]

I'm in agreement with you!!!!

[@irocaboca]

In my opinion he was just young and passionate about his country. He may have disagreed with her about some things but he still loved her nonetheless. I do agree with you in that I would have liked to see Tom develop more as a character while Sybil was alive. (I’d actually prefer it if she never died in the first place lol)

[@georgeprchal3924]

Yep.

[@dionialfaro3464]

HolographicSadness there a downton Abbey movie in September dioni ☘️

[@Maaarrina]

Totally agree with you!

[@carlhicksjr8401]

God, Jessica Findley is gorgeous. 25 year old me would have my heart in my throat if I even thought about talking to her... lol!

[@jaecrawford7442]

4:23 “You’re very free with your musts.” Me: “BITCH WHAT THE F-!!!!”

[@hannahdyson7129]

Honestly they were all naivie here , they knew his views so it should not have been such a big shock. I always felt Sybil was very Naivie and at times clueless as much as I loved her I also think it was a terrible oversight that they didn't know that their servant's were edgy around him which should have been a tick off .

[@flyboy152]

The other servants were edgy around him because he went from being one of them to one of the family. They had no idea his politics had become so radical.

[@KoiYakultGreenTea]

I always wondered why they included the clip of Mrs Hughes setting herself on fire and didn’t really take notice of the comment about Branson being an arsonist because that clip was always in the Toaster clip and I never really connected the whole episode together 😂

[@nancyM1313]

💍Lady Sybil❤Branson❤❤Sibby

[@charlilymo192]

the first time they came back as a couple you could tell he was uncomfortable when they arrived but he was still smiling because sybil was happy. i wish this couple had of lived on

[@lauraschoenborn3544]

Exactly!! It is so underrated that as uncomfortable as he was he still wanted Sybil to be around her family. And to have a relationship with them.

[@uofc57]

The show never addresses the atrocities that the English committed against the Irish, like shipping food out of Ireland to England during the Potato Famine and repressing the Irish language and culture. In fact, the show never holds the upper class accountable for British imperialism in general.

[@jesseleeward2359]

No. You're right. In fairness plenty of films have, but they were quite ruthless.

[@miriamhavard7621]

Did you you ACTUALLY think that they would? 😮

[@BillyGoat32]

Well this show isn’t about the Irish

[@miriamhavard7621]

@@alucardhellsing1037 and a sexist pig, who fought against his own women. He didn't even want English women to have voting and OTHER equal rights.

[@eoinmaclean6478]

As someone who is familiar with the Irish language, I had the unexpected chance of befriending a former Irish citizen, now in and out of hospital, whose father was part of the 1916 Easter Rising. Luckily for her, she did learn Gaedhilge in school, as it was known before spelling reforms in 1948 when the language became more standardized. Unfortunately, she lost a lot of it when she moved to the states, by I found that I could converse with her in Gaeilge and be understood.

[@marinazagrai1623]

The scene that puzzled me was the middle when we had the scene with Edith deciding to write for Gregson’s magazine/newspaper…it starts with scenes related to the caption but the middle is different.

[@ted1091]

I love Mrs. Hughes

[@malinhessedahl]

♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️

[@disneyprincessrapunzel257]

I love Michelle and Laura they are my favourite. In this

[@bonniebester606]

Good gracious they are Over Staffed!

[@davidcorruthers78]

I really hate how they did Edith in the dinner scene especially Cora’s response to Edith writing a newspaper

[@darmawanmelodysherinapsfan7136]

Sybil should appear in 2nd movie but in Tom's flashback that they met first time until she dead before he found Lucy

[@flyboy152]

They're both a bit old to be playing themselves as 15 years younger than the current DA timeline.

[@atarahbanugopan9589]

I'll be free with my musts as much as I like

[@simonbannow3905]

How dare he!

[@HappyStars234]

I love how he destroys one aristocratic home and them runs and hides at Downton.

[@taroman7100]

I didnt care for Tom. He was dork that never fit in.

[@sammurray9644]

@@taroman7100 clown

[@mauranebarragan7164]

He hide in his wife family who became his family

[@marigold6920]

@@taroman7100 I thought he fitted in beautifully as time went by. It was Tom with his farming knowledge who helped to save Downton.

[@pandakatiefominz]

I'm pretty sure he would have gone elsewhere if Sybil wasn't aristocratic, and I don't think his problem main is the aristocratic class but with the aristocratic English in Ireland specifically. Downton doesn't meddle in Irish affairs

[@MrUkielover]

Although the Grantham’s lost a daughter they eventually gained a son in Tom

[@JB.Rochwol]

Did Mary just took Edith’s in regards to the “Churchchill” thing?

[@jehannethompson1432]

I think so. On her way she was defending Edith

[@msfriendsfan4ever788]

She defended Edith in season 3, and they teamed up to defend Tom

[@Megan-ti8yn]

Ooh an up the RA

[@alejandrobonofiglio1097]

Can someone explain the Churchill reference?

[@alleycat-oy5kv]

The Churchill family were very old and very blue-blooded. They were descended from the 1st Duke of Marlborough, among other aristocratic families, and almost all of the men were extremely high up in English politics. They were rich, connected and related to everyone that mattered. Rumor has it that Sir Winston's mother even had a tattoo. They were all but untouchable socially.

[@alejandrobonofiglio1097]

@@alleycat-oy5kv thank you!!

[@shirinnaidu4971]

4:42

[@jerryadams2191]

😎📺✌✌

[@brendadeatherage4543]

The only thing more evil than Thomas is O'Brien.

[@taroman7100]

I would have destroyed O'Brien the first time she talked back to me in that manner.

[@12classics39]

Thomas only became a better person once he got away from O’Brien. She brought out the worst in him and poisoned him with her negativity and knack for preying on his pain and vulnerability to amplify his bitterness.

[@viy4581]

Loved Sybil & Tom. Hated Tom before Sybil's death. Loved Tom after Sybil's death. I cudnt really stand Tom before

[@sammurray9644]

Because he was too Irish?

[@viy4581]

@@sammurray9644 because he was a bit too much. I understand a bit where his passion was coming frm but the whole incident of him escaping while leaving a pregnant sybil all alone etc was very questionable. Past tom was a bit like Miss Bunting. Plus the way he said " Don't disappoint me" To Sybil during that incident.... He knew Sybil wud do whatever he asked him It took his wife's death to bring the gap between his ideals and the grantham family while he cud have done that so much earliee

[@jimmikulsky4810]

Not cool, bro!

[@SofiaIliadou80]

Hahahaha I don't care if you where father Christmas

[@Madamoizillion]

I sympathize over the horrible situation in Ireland, but it didn't give Tom the right to act so selfishly in regards to Sybil. He knew all along the risk he would putting her in and he still did it. He could have pursued his beliefs on his own instead taking advantage of her youth and naivete and pushing her into all of it. His character's early storyline really wanted to have his cake and eat it too. He became a bit more selfless later on, though at the expense of seemingly losing his convictions over Irish independence, which always struck me as him accepting defeat without much reason to.

[@Rikard_A]

Their relationsjip makes no sense.

[@christinamitchell6796]

I whole heartedly agree

[@JRobbySh]

The fact that he was an Irish Catholic was not given proper notice, for sure. That more than his socialism would in real life been a barrier between them. Anti-Catholicism is central to British life . Only if he were a Jew would the difference been greater.

[@Rikard_A]

@@JRobbySh This romance have only one purpose and too bring up the irsh independence war. The Titanic subplot was the same. They only bring up a historical event if it applies to the main cast.

[@inayatahmed5828]

Yes. It was unrealistic and they were poorly matched.

[@elamplough1]

It's not so much that their relationship makes no sense - all kinds of unlikely couples fall in love and elope in real life - but it becomes sort of uncomfortable because their backgrounds are just so different. Sybil and Tom are a typical example of two people deeply in love but really ill-suited for each other.

[@Rukasepar]

"Sybil and Branson argue about the things that he kept from her." Sybil should have removed Branson's clothes at once and inspected the "things he kept from her". ;-)

[@morgankibble4552]

Rukasepar not while she was pregnant, pretty sure that was taboo

[@mitch_the_-itch]

Seeing Carson talk to the table in such a familial fashion like he was part of the Grantham's family was very out of character and didn't fit correctly.

[@12classics39]

They do consider him to be family, though.

[@mitch_the_-itch]

@@12classics39 They consider him the Butler first, lol. Carson should know better.

[@mariamara999]

He wasn't right for her. I find him really annoying and full of himself.

[@rosiesims4180]

You obviously didn't understand his character at all

[@christinamitchell6796]

Totally agree, I had such a disdain for him while she was alive, though his character evolved and I liked that very much he needed to get knocked down a few notches. Fortunately he became very beloved and that's realistic too because shows how people can change in life.

[@miriamhavard7621]

It was certainly a risk.

[@gee2541]

rosie sims Or maybe they understood his character and still didn’t like him?

[@jehannethompson1432]

For me Tom grew as a character. His bond with the family became stronger after Sybil died especially with Robert, Mary and Edith. He was smart when it came to the Estate and he was a good co worker with Mary