Tom Dwan vs Phil Hellmuth: Idiot or Genius?

Tom Dwan and Phil Hellmuth have a long history of clashing at the poker table and this iconic hand from Season 5 of Poker After Dark is a must-see!
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[@PokerJunkie83]

“Jack 10… i knew he started with nothing” - Phil Hellmuth with 9 7 off 😂

[@ZToxLives]

He did a similar thing with Negreanu a long time ago in a hand he lost saying he knew he was weak before the flop. He had A4 and Daniel had A10 😂😂😂

[@PokerJunkie83]

@@ZToxLives delusional Phil at his best 😂😂

[@FreemanPresson]

Somewhere, there must be cash games Phil beats; just not on TV.

[@rcchristian2]

I want to see Helmuth and Dwan play that heads up battle!! Let's see the rematch!

[@Stigz86]

Having second pair is really not nothing lol

[@Kdavis8377]

Phil: goes all in with 3/2 off suit. Loses pot Phil: honey, he went all in with pocket kings!!

[@bradasstv]

🤣🤣🤣

[@Shifftee]

This reminds me of Selbst who constantly complains to her friends about losing because "some idiot with pocket A's called her all-in"

[@jamiecook4288]

This caught me off guard 😂😂

[@fayz221]

Honey: I know Pumpkin

[@neilmackay3986]

Honey: That's because you're a genius, Phil.

[@aaronwalderslade]

Dwan's reputation for playing an insane range can bring out the insanity in others...

[@markgrade6644]

That's what I love about watching him play 😁

[@markgrade6644]

I would love to know what he's thinking 🤔

[@MustangKepler]

No one will knows unless some brain guy scan them out.

[@GovnaBuckingham]

You mean Phil’s insane range? JTs vs 97o lol

[@ArcMaple]

"I knew he started with nothing" - Phil Hellmuth holding 9, 7 off against J, 10 suited. Dwan had the better hand on every single street.

[@SPQR_14]

That's not the point... Phil is saying he knew Dwan didn't have a premium hand. Learn poker.

[@qaikodiateo8449]

I'm pretty tired of these stupid comments. we know that. do you even get what he means though? so what.....he can never bluff or sniff things out?

[@RodJeez]

According to GTO and my solver Phil should bluff on that hand 34. 55776% assuming Dwan blinked 3 times before he put his chips in

[@dirt_xo]

Thats what he assumed and thats why he lost. Of course he knows the hand is insane.

[@yaboyvickk5635]

The point phil is saying is he shoulda put dwan on a wider range than just premium hands and had he then he may have folded assuming dwan had more combos where he's holding a 10..

[@chriscorey3442]

Joke's on Dwan when he spends it all on eye drops

[@riffz6065]

Underrated comment

[@supermegabrobro1185]

haha nice!

[@bradasstv]

🤣🤣🤣

[@ilyaibrahimovic9842]

Brilliant. Extremely underrated

[@e.t926]

What do you mean by eyedrops?

[@DORATY74D]

Tom was bluffing his ass off all night and waited for the perfect moment. Tilt is Hellmuths Kryptonite.

[@olderetiredtreemahn3234]

His ego too!

[@howdareyou41]

Honestly part of me thinks I'd bluff huge at him just to see a Helmuth full tilt live in person

[@DORATY74D]

Lmao it’ll be worth

[@kendyjapri7869]

His ego is his biggest krypto.. he is deceng at best

[@howdareyou41]

@@kendyjapri7869 lol and now he's pimping crypto

[@pinewood6340]

These clips are timeless and give me 2000's poker nostalgia. I'll be watching them on my deathbed.

[@loucard4856]

Dwan, dudes still going too ! He looks old now

[@Joseph-ny5rr]

@@loucard4856 still crushing though 😆

[@loucard4856]

@@Joseph-ny5rr seems that way :D

[@TurboThunderGaming]

Yeah awesome clickbaits, searched for poker 2021, and get these 2000 'gem'.

[@docwillis1443]

Same here

[@brandoncasas5254]

I liked at the end how Eli brings Doyle a small bowl of fruit or something at the very end like a younger family member bringing the older one as a sign of respect “here don’t get up”

[@SubtleAcoustics]

My favourite part of this clip actually. Nothing but love for those two.

[@irsute8833]

Well said.

[@Robert-dv9jt]

Eli was always a gentleman and helping Doyle. I saw this in HSP aswell

[@gardensnake8878]

Eli always came across as a gentleman and in total awe of the big papa.

[@TheGreatForgetter]

I’ve always appreciated Laaks respect for other players. All poker pros at the time needled Phil constantly. As soon as Phil apologized for taking so long Lakk quickly said “Take up to 4 days”.

[@obga18]

his personality really made the show enjoyable as well. i always liked it when he was on.

[@UnicycleIdiot]

Phil Laak seems like such a cool guy to chill with

[@Primitive_Code]

@@UnicycleIdiot what makes him even cooler is that he is a mechanical engineer.

[@Sneggelvespen]

@@Primitive_Code And married to Jennifer Tilly

[@tonyho94]

@@Sneggelvespen He's not married to Jennifer Tilly. Jennifer Tilly is his girlfriend not his wife.

[@wadewilson6320]

“Dwan owns hellmuth's soul for $200k. Phil speechless.” was the title of the KZbin video of this segment many years ago. That title fit better. Lol.

[@joevazquez9405]

You’re rightb

[@G2K___]

U,xh66f for Noo.

[@theplanetjumper]

Thanks for spoiling it 👏👏👏

[@SN27671]

@@theplanetjumper what are expecting when you go into the comments before watching the video?

[@theplanetjumper]

@@SN27671 it’s literally the first comment u see without opening comments on mobile

[@patrickclay3537]

Phil shouldn’t have been in the hand in the first place 🤦🏼‍♂️

[@howdareyou41]

Can you believe it hun? I called a 4 bet with 97o and lost

[@tiggneuendorf8002]

Lol nit

[@patrickclay3537]

@@tiggneuendorf8002 lol Fish

[@webguy943]

yea i woulda folded preflop on the 3bet wait for a better spot.

[@howdareyou41]

@@patrickclay3537 tigg is phil helmuth's alt account lol

[@CanadianLoveKnot]

What if I told you that you could have folded pre-flop?! - Morpheus

[@mathewphelps9933]

I watched this live in the good old days of poker. Old school Dwan is the best TV poker

[@SHADOWCATpictures]

New school Dwan is still amazing. But I live watching him in his early years, especially vs Doyle and the others

[@red8884]

The price of wanting to know if you are right is ridiculously high.

[@jnguyen7639]

@@red8884 I think playing on tv was a bigger factor. He didn’t wanna get bluff on televised tv.

[@The.Harsh.Truths]

@@red8884it isn’t even that. Dwan makes moves like this all of the time. Phil Helmuth probably made the correct call there given Dwan’s range and history.

[@timm.7740]

Dwans blank stares are so priceless 😅

[@matthewvitelli5087]

hes on adderoll

[@littlemooshu4171]

​@@matthewvitelli5087 lol you reckon?

[@Skiier2008]

He always looks like he just found out his grandma died

[@leonardjulius6098]

@@Skiier2008 💀

[@rorywilson656]

Dunno, they were pretty pricey for Phil

[@panoskontos5359]

All Helmuth was worried about was how he would be viewed."I am gonna look like a genius if i am right i am going to look like an idiot if i am wrong" instead of thinking about the hand he was more worried about his ego. Don't they say leave your ego at the door when you leave your house. ?

[@williamwood7348]

I think Hellmuth was just happy he got the chance to call Tom Dwan a kid. “Nice bet kid!” It only cost him a quarter million.

[@ramzirobart1032]

The producers probably gave free money to these guys and let them take a winning percentage

[@ktwine7994]

Spot on.

[@simonhui5638]

@@ramzirobart1032 Daniel said they get pay hourly to play these game . Like 1-2k an hr also buz no rake

[@TheGreat1Four20]

I usually stand up for Phil against the delusional haters but this time I can't. Dude I get u try to 3 bet with 9-7 off but when someone from early position in this case Dur was small blind 4 bets, u fold 9-7 off quicker than a fly getting on your burger at a BBQ.

[@yungbreezyatl]

im assuming he had some kind of read lol but it was wrong

[@apoc3037]

@MICHAEL PHAN he had J/10

[@yungbreezyatl]

@MICHAEL PHAN even from a theoretical pov its not in a normal preflop range but it is for dwan... especially knowing hellmuth may be 3 betting light in position.

[@TheGreat1Four20]

@MICHAEL PHAN dude lol Apoc clearly doesn't understand what u were trying to say.

[@TheGreat1Four20]

@MICHAEL PHAN yes pre flop was the worst call i ever seen, but his river call, i will say every single draw there was missed and it was durr, that had to be running in hellmuths mind, every str8 draw missed such as j-9, j-8, k-9, k-j, and a-k, also diamonds missed, maybe hellmuth put him on any of those hands ranging from j-8 all the way to a-k of diamonds because it could be any one of them since it was durr lol, durr did such a great job at making that river play look like a bluff because of all them different missed draws there was, and there is no doubt durr knew that all draws missed and could pull it off.

[@vernajewel91]

use to be able to watch this for free whenever we liked

[@ImMagnetz]

Isn't that what you're doing here? But yes I agree, there used to be a lot more poker videos on KZbin before PokerGO became a thing.

[@mingi1489]

I like how Phil gets salty about how someone played their hand but calls pre flop with a hand that shouldn’t even be in the hand

[@kellyp9438]

“I’m gonna look like an idiot if I’m wrong I’m gonna look like a genius if I’m right” 😂 You said it Phill!

[@Undertaker67203]

Well, he usually make himself look like an idiot even when he makes a genius move.

[@paulmilner8452]

@@Undertaker67203 guys now got 17 bracelets and you have? nothing

[@Undertaker67203]

@@paulmilner8452 Nothing in my comment said he IS an idiot, just that he makes himself look like one. Do you have a bracelet? I guess we are equals.

[@ZToxLives]

7:54 Hellmuth: I'm sorry I'm taking so long guys Laak (without missing a beat): Take up to 4 days. 😂😂😂

[@OrpheusMatt]

best part of the vid.

[@danitradess]

That wasn’t Laak. Think it was Ezra

[@seankiesling2054]

@@danitradess it was 10000000% Laak

[@ZToxLives]

@@danitradess no it was Laak

[@noahtalley4351]

Almost the best! “Beginning of Day 3, I would have left the building.”

[@TheMindGrind45]

The Poker Brat: "Sorry I'm taking so long guys..." The Unibomber: "Take up to 4 days..." Dolly: "This time..." The Great Dane: "The beginning of day 3, I will have left the building..." Fucking classic!

[@anonymousraw766]

Phil shouldn't be taking that long old man boobs doesn't have much time left

[@lovelylemonfactory]

@@anonymousraw766 What are you talking about its 120k? If you can't take some time for 4 times the average US annual salary when can you?

[@saiajay6663]

😂😂🔥

[@rchan0]

the classic Gus was the one where they were talking about folding kings-full on the river, all the other players were saying they would have folded kings-full and Gus absolutely trolled everyone saying I love when pros discussing folding kings-full, yeah that was a terrible call wtf LOL PokerGo please put that hand up

[@anonymousraw766]

@@lovelylemonfactory 4 times the average annual salary in one hand? Everyone should be playing poker

[@phobiazzzero4935]

literally owned phil’s soul lol

[@briles24]

You literally don't know how to use ''literally'' properly.

[@phobiazzzero4935]

@@briles24 i only have 1 fuck left but imma keep it bro.. sorry

[@philly128]

Okay place P

[@philly128]

@@olderetiredtreemahn3234 p

[@DoyleAK]

@@briles24 gotta love the grammar teachers in the comment section of a KZbin video😂😂😂💀

[@Brian-dg3kz]

A whole clip of Hellmuth pondering a move, that players he would belittle ... would correctly just throw away. Brilliant.

[@thomasyates3078]

But it was Dwan. You have to entertain the notion he had 52 off.

[@laptopfromhell890]

These Poker After Dark's, and High Stakes Poker's are so classic now. The new ones just don't hit the same. The show runners need to replicate this exact same Poker After Dark set and the exact same set they used for High Stakes Poker, down to a "T" to give it that same ambience

[@ZahidoTV]

This

[@gkprivate433]

High Stakes Poker was the bomb. So miss it

[@lukamilas8648]

Why would they do that when they can make it worse? The new ones can’t compare to these classic ones.

[@Renisance2K]

It’s not about the set, it was about the players. It doesn’t hit the same because the poker scene of today doesn’t have the same iconic names & personalities as yesteryear.

[@laptopfromhell890]

@@Renisance2K Nice comment. I agree. The set would've helped though lol

[@PH-ks6qg]

I am firmly going with “idiot” when it comes to Hellmuth

[@stoppernz229]

Why arent you one of the best in the world then?

[@calmerthanyou6180]

@@stoppernz229 Phil says you have a cat tongue...

[@5crb30]

​@@stoppernz229BEST IS ONLY DNEGS AND IVEY ...HELLMUTH SHOWS NO SIGN OF GENIUS

[@smikabis2717]

"I knew he started with nothing " Literally had him beat on every street

[@dogperson432]

How are those statements in contradiction? "Nothing" meaning a hand that isn't a pair, or a hand that isn't premium, applies to both hands. Do you think Hellmuth literally doesn't know that 9-7 is not a strong hand? Jesus Christ these KZbin clips fucking derange people.

[@Dancindazed]

@@dogperson432 Yeah I know. It's crazy how little nuance there is to people's logic. Like as if you had the worst hand that there's nothing left to analyze. There was multiple ways Phil could have won the hand without having the best cards, obviously that's what he's talking about.

[@Verygery12]

@@Dancindazed how does he win that hand? If he bets the turn Dwan isn’t folding with second pair. What do you think he was going all in pre flop with 9-7 😂 You’re one of the people that you are talking about

[@Verygery12]

@@Dancindazed he made a terrible preflight call, and a terrible call on the turn. Poorly played

[@thomasgoetz8723]

@@Verygery12 - Can you please tell us what you meant with this " If he bets the turn Dwan isn’t folding with second pair."? To my knowledge on the turn Dwan already had trips - so why are you talking about "second pair"?

[@Ricky.913]

I "love" how Hellmuth gives a verbal jab, I knew he started with nothing. Yet Phil started with less than nothing. But if you give a verbal jab back, he has the nerve to say you're sore winner. What a ... 🙄

[@lovelylemonfactory]

There was nothing wrong with that reaction from Phil. This is one of the few hands you can say that for. The guy lost 200k, do you want him to sit there and smile?

[@Ricky.913]

Well, you've missed the point. If you dish it out, you better well take it too. But Phil doesn't, which makes him a piece of ....

[@LEFTaTIP]

True...very true. And thats the real Phil Hellmuth, he is an egotistical jerk even when the camera is not on him. Everything revolves around his thinking. Whether he receives a bad beat or he gets out played, Hellmuth will tell you what you were supposed to do....many times using a sarcastic, demeaning tone about your poker game. Even if its a female player, Hellmuth will throw his tantrums. Fun to watch tho....lol

[@poopydoodie11]

@@Ricky.913 You've missed the point of Phil's comment. When he says "started with nothing" he means Dwan 4-bet without a premium hand which is considered an unconventional play. It's not meant as a jab at Dwan. Generally people only 4-bet with Jacks or better. Phil was spot on with his thought process he just came up with the wrong hand combination. He probably put him on 9-8 of diamonds or something like that. Obviously Phil has the crybaby reputation so I could see why people would take it that way though.

[@Ricky.913]

@@poopydoodie11 dwan's 4 bet without a premium hand was unconventional??? Well, welcome to Durrrr - land

[@purpleheartsofficial]

i love watching tom play anyone, but watching him play phil is so funny. tom came up with online poker and you know phil probably still thinks he's a lower class poker player because of it. real easy for tom to play into.

[@Kozaack]

I would say that Phil is an amazing player. Very patient and annoying to play against. Especially in tournaments. There's "but" though. He believes that he's a great reader and is hard to bluff. Whenever there's a camera around, he tries to prove it. This leads him to making rather questionable decisions. In combination with his rather bad attitude, he's just fun to watch. xD And Dwan, once he makes a bet, starts to look like a challenged person. This freaks me out.

[@The.Harsh.Truths]

That’s why his handle is Durrrr

[@ludomirsteinbruck9376]

Great analysis

[@UncleVothski]

Durr just staring like an electro shock patient is easily the most annoying aspect of him playing. Along with him playing like molasses in January

[@pawelstepien3020]

If that wasn't Dwan I think Phil would have fold. Still very bad call from him...

[@Chance-ry1hq]

This is one of the dumbest calls I have seen. How could he possibly think 7’s were good.

[@basuki094]

Great poker face by dwan. He did everything to look like he is bluffing

[@haydnmclennan4739]

like?

[@fatimaWr2]

You should look the same in both situations. The GTO facing. 😄

[@JoSantino147]

He always looks at a fixed spot on the table. He said it himself a few times. Nothing about that was to "look like he is bluffing"

[@shadowsmessage]

@@fatimaWr2 There was no GTO back in the day. Dwan was the only wildest player in high stakes poker player pool with Sammy Farha , they just opened wide range & had no fear about money 💰, always made sure they will see the river. Unlike other NITs like Barry Greenstien who only played AA & KK & made no where & lost millions

[@fatimaWr2]

@@shadowsmessage It’s a joke. I said when you’re always the same face both when you’re bluffing and value betting, you give no information to your opponents giving them no chance to exploit you by how you behave in those situations. Thus it’s GTO pokerfacing 😄.

[@marcmartocchio2681]

Phil is the king of making a bad play and somehow blaming the other person who most of the time did nothing wrong in the hand. Fact of the matter is that Phil is just a bad cash player

[@ofpbluefalcon]

"Jack, ten...I knew he started with nothing." Lmao he had a better hand then Phil from the very start!

[@marklee8512]

Another satisfying moments to see the clown being whacked 🤣

[@i000_]

I swear they have the stup--est poker faces/ looks! 🤣 "I knew he started with nothing", meanwhile Mr. Crybaby has 97 off 🤦🏽‍♂️

[@KingMagnetic]

Dwan is definitely my favorite TV player. Calculated insanity.

[@daandemeyer1708]

“What an awefull spot for phil hellmuth” Well no, it’s an easy fold.

[@jamesbelcher896]

Except it's dwan who USED to go all in with air all the time.

[@mick727xd]

it's really not. the tens pair up, making it harder to actually hold one and a queen is less advantageous for his range than a king or jack. Normally, with a hand that re-raises pre-flop, you have a lot of stuff which doesn't connect with this board. The bet is polar, so Dwan is representing a small range of nutted hands, not an overall advantage and balances it with a range with more bluffs than he would for a smaller bet size, to make the caller relatively indifferent. I think he should fold this, but its not ridiculously straight forward as you seem to think.

[@davidleonard7439]

@@mick727xd exactly. Not to mention, these guys actually play against each other, 100× MORE, than a few clips we see on KZbin. Phil knows dwan and his range, far better than youtubers who get to see BOTH players' hands

[@biggenderneutralpoohead]

@@mick727xd im sorry but it really is simple a fold, if hellmuth has 97 he has t7,j7, a ton of queens, some tens, sure he has some missed diamonds and straight draws but hes pretty much at the very bottom of his range if hes callin 97 hes callin all the other hands and hes just callin WAAAY too much even against durrrrs super wide range too its simple distribution to realise this is a super snap fold x99999999

[@mick727xd]

@@biggenderneutralpoohead You don't call in a linear fashion against a polar bet though. For example, 97 is a far better call than A7 without a heart, because you potentially block value and unblock bluffs. Dwan likely has 3 combo's of QQ, 1 combo of 10's, 2 combo's of J10s, 1 combo of Q10s, 2 combo's of K10s and 6 combos of A10o, which makes for 15 total combos. He'll check some of these rather than triple barrel as they block Hellmuth's calling range. Phil only has to win 1 in 3 times approx to break even, in other words, If Dwan has 8 bluff combos from a selection of low suited aces, KJ, AJ, 98s, it's a breakeven call.

[@sergeya3078]

keep calling 97o against 4-bet from Mr. Dwan. Wait to go, Phil!

[@Nash9r]

Helmuth more concerned with how he looks in that hand than with playing it accurately.

[@iambadatpickingusernames6669]

Kids, this is why you don't 3-bet call 97o preflop.

[@rcchristian2]

I want to see Helmuth and Dwan play that heads up battle!! Let's see the rematch!

[@datboicuz]

the second heads up they played was a massacre

[@rcchristian2]

@@datboicuz It must have ate Hellmuth alive hahaha

[@barkingbat2927]

Like Poker a good hand can be a bad one and a genius can be an idiot. This is why Phil has the most bracelets. He's both.

[@howdareyou41]

that face @4:35 tho lol

[@l0rd_mvl104]

nah phil is just an idiot.

[@carlo8044]

This comment is underrated

[@prasg1186]

@@carlo8044 100%.. shit read like some critique's description plastered on the front cover of a best-seller.

[@shadowsmessage]

@@l0rd_mvl104 No Phil made a fantastic call. All HSP regs knew about Dwan 4-b or 5-Betting with 86o of 3-barbell bluffing 98suited all 3-streets. Dwan was perceived to never hold top-10 hands in his range. Helmuth thought Dwan at best could have AKo or AJs or his favorite 86o or 89s or some garbage he loves to bluff. Helmuth beats all Dwan’s bluffs. It was just ridiculous that Dwan had J10s , best hand on board that Helmuth never ever thought could be in Dwan’s range. It’s a standard call against a wild opponent. U should play ranges not think your opponent always has the best hand. Dwan moving all in looked like AK or missed flush draw. Announcer even said that “ Dwan went from being stuck big to becoming a small winner “. Helmuth knew Dwan was losing hence tilted & could punt everything off a bluff. Helmuth is a fantastic player. Never come to a conclusion on a player based on 1 single hand . It’s the sample size , if Helmuth plays 25K hands he could easily beat Dwan heads-up, just like he beat Daniel Negreanu. 1 hand means shit. Hence when u play poker & lose with AA & KK on same day in 1 session don’t think your poker career is finished. That’s why Helmuth won so many bracelets

[@simondaughtry4619]

~ego triggered. Does Tommy Dwan know who he is? So he takes 20 minutes to call... and never spends 20 seconds observing Dwan at all.....its all spent indulging in his own self wallowing.....And then he buys Dwan a nice 3 bedroom condo on the river.

[@clintwalker3127]

Tom obviously did what worked back then but with poker today MDF, blockers and unblockers etc he would have definitely have to of adjusted but either way a legend in most people’s eyes, including myself and fact he still beating the biggest games where even the whales would have beaten the best back then is testament to how he can adjust and stay ahead of the curve

[@doncorleone9294]

Tom just recently won the biggest pot in poker tv history.

[@paulyd2483]

If you call every bet you will lose many matches but also you will win some of them just out of pure luck, this is how Phil wins. He really needs to learn when to fold a hand and accept the loss. It can be made back later on a stronger hand. Hes not a poker player but an all time idiot

[@irishlad2926]

Phil desperately wanted to out play Durrr. It’s completely against his style to play hands like 9 7 off suit but I think he had become frustrated with Durrr outplaying him in every hand. He was winning in this game so there was no need to get so much money in with a weak hand but he wanted to make a hero play and look like a genius, but he lost all his money instead.

[@GrapplingwithPhysics]

Idiotic or Genius? I could’ve answered it without watching the clip knowing it’s Hellmuth

[@ottomatix3397]

Phil is his own worst enemy.

[@robertfox8855]

They love seeing Hellmuth walk into the room. Time to cash in.

[@daveh7186]

This is exactly why we fold 97 off suit to a raise pre-flop not to mention you’re up against one of the greatest cash game players in the world .

[@JimmyRingz]

7:28 didn't remember Durrrr was rocking that lit stache back in the day🔥

[@TheBigToe69]

Looks like he took a big swig of some chocolate milk and didn’t wipe his mouth after.

[@Mathemagical55]

He's just been playing poker for several days straight.

[@zekek3777]

He doesn't want people asking him about the durrrr challenge anymore so he's trying to disguise himself

[@gkprivate433]

these poker after dark shows were cool to come home late at night and watch. Phil's ego got the better of him on this one. All past history. Some of these guys kept their money, made some investments. But most of them are now just staked and play with other people's money and have to grind out a living

[@isakw2]

Have PokerGO posted one clip where Phil wins a hand?

[@lovelylemonfactory]

Can you remember and interesting TV hands Phil has won? I can't

[@tadthegoat3043]

Everyone talking about River when I’m wondering why tf hellmuth is 3bet calling w/ 97o I get it’s dwan but I doubt his range is that loose to 4bet on the SB v. Early position open and button 3bet

[@ZToxLives]

@@NoNo-ro9gx this right here 💯

[@GeneticallyEngineeredCatgirls]

Yeah the 3bet steal from the button is fine considering the loose dynamics, but its def a fold to a 4-bet. But what if Dwan instead just called with his hand (as he should), should Phil fold the turn or the river?

[@totalhysteria]

Because that's Phil Hellmuth, simply. When he decides to make a play it's based on emotions and his reads. We all know he usually play very snug, but from time to time he decides to be sticky and call down very light when he think he will catch a player bluffing. Yeah 97o is a dreadful hand to even consider this idea since he is even behind most of Tom's bluffs. But the plan was probably made in the particular hand when he felt very strongly Dwan was about to punt his stack, so he decided to call with intentions to hold on to his hand if he got a piece of the flop.

[@GeneticallyEngineeredCatgirls]

@@NoNo-ro9gx Its a button, a steal with almost any two is possible if you feel like your opponents are weak. And we are talking Hellmuth here, 97o has decent equity compare to some of the other hands he chooses to bluff.

[@simonhui5638]

When Phil slap call the turn Durr knew he is going to call 50k bet then he would call all in. So might as well go for the max also that will make it seem like a buff even more

[@HIpMosQUad1978]

I Love Durrrr!!! He’s not afraid to put his money in with the best Or worst hand which makes him tough to read and a Genius 💵😎💵

[@michaelblankenau6598]

Im that kind of genius too . In fact there are lots of us .

[@HIpMosQUad1978]

@@michaelblankenau6598 why do u think I love Durrrr...takes one to know one 😉

[@hitman5782]

How can somebody call himself a poker pro and raise 97of, call a big 4bet, call potsice with bottom pair and more than pot all in on the river?!

[@skifast9721]

Thought he could out meta the king of meta to prove himself figuring dwan had nothing and caught him digging his grave but thats the history of dwan, he always gets you thinking that. Nobody gets the timing in his bluffing right and they do it at the worst time and he catches. Nobody can duplicate this style. Try it. You'll go broke. Give him props for having it dialed in.

[@MrVibeCheck41]

Dwan wanted helmuth to think he has AK. Perfect check on the flop. 1/4 bet on the turn and river jam. Phil thinks his 7 is good and dwan played him into it the whole time!

[@stacking4life86]

Im no poker genius at all - but if you analyze this hand Id like to know WHAT Phil was thinking when he said "Im gonna look like a genius if Im right?" Based on pre-flop bet and turn bet from Tom the ONLY likely thing Phil COULD beat is if Tom Had AK Seems everything else logical Tom could possibly have would beat Phil's pair of 7's Does anyone else know what else Phil Could've been thinking ?

[@lloydy11]

“Honey, I put all my money in with 97 off”

[@DixiePokerAce]

Dwan is tricky but Phil should not have gone that deep in the hand with 9-7o.

[@PH-ks6qg]

Hellmuth could have have 7 2 and the other guy have aces, and Hellmuth would still call the guy an idiot when he loses the hand

[@1knight386]

It’s interesting to watch this now. Back then, I was always a bit befuddled by Tom, but learning GTO/Exploitative play really explains his moves more clearly. He was simply ahead of the game.

[@fooman718]

Can you explain further ?

[@mscdman]

No he can’t explain further. Because GTO/exploitation play is just fancy millennial speak for playing regular poker and paying attention to your opponents

[@andrewfraancis]

@@mscdman kinda. I think Garrett Adelstein is the best example modern day- exploitation is still king

[@captaingingerbread3874]

@@mscdman haha this is funny

[@lovelylemonfactory]

@@mscdman Except it's not. Exploitation play is paying attention to your opponents play. GTO is paying attention to your own play. They are opposing concepts.

[@james_robnett]

I wouldn't say Durr is stoic, more like 'Durr is demonstrating his "I just had a stroke" persona'

[@heyitsanthony6366]

Phil Gave away the marginal strength of his hand with the quick call on the flop, this tell is a common tell both players are aware of. Then Dawn used this against Phil on the river with the massive over bet. They both know Dwan could’ve been attacking Phil’s weakness and trying to make Phil fold a 1 pair hand vs Dwans missed draw. Dwan is a beast!

[@davidleonard7439]

They both checked the flop...do you mean the turn?

[@heyitsanthony6366]

@@davidleonard7439 my bad yes the turn

[@smrriles5668]

@@heyitsanthony6366 who's dawn ,are you talking about my sister?

[@heyitsanthony6366]

@@smrriles5668 woops im guilty of misgendering 😅

[@Ange65230]

A Genius ……… in his own mind!

[@alexchd5714]

Whenever i feel bad i come around 4:30 and watch till 4:50.. Always brings me a laugh ! Thanks Mr Hellmuth

[@aninja5377]

Phil says he started with nothing just what the hell was he starting with alot less than the man who won 🎃🦃🤡🤬

[@daikusan55]

Why is it that Phil is able to sense weakness preflop but unable to sense strength on the river?

[@philip851]

He is...but you aren't giving credit to Durr

[@brizzchizz7302]

"Hunny how can he go all in with just a set, I mean is this for fkn real"

[@GDaddy85]

Hellmuth saying Dwan started with nothing like he had something other than 9-7 off when he started lmao

[@blazerworks9445]

someone said it eariler down ---its easy to trap Phil because he is so scared of being bluffed --doesnt matter if on TV or not , its his image he'll be shown up on the table.

[@Unlikely_Hero]

Hellmuth really gives the strength of his hand away with the manner of his snap call on the turn. Screams of a begrudging middling queen or jacks at best

[@Freethinker1958]

So much for Hellmuth's self-proclaimed ability to read his opponent. How did Hellmuth ever win any poker tournament? He is awful.

[@dave5857]

I mean, preflop is definitely ridiculous from Helmuth. After that it's....not too bad? Dwan likely raises flop with a Q. He's unlikely to have a ten because there's already two on the board. Pretty sure the river is a fold but Dwan can easy have KJ, Ace X.... If you do something that stupid pre I think what happens afterwards is somewhat defensible, but don't three bet then call a four bet with 97o. Because JFC.

[@patrickwinkelmann4002]

What ls the point in this hand?????? Phil thought Tom has nothing and Phil is holding a bluff catcher........this happens 100 times at any Poker table........

[@nickd2296]

I know these guys are Pros meaning anything is possible but C'mon Phil!!!!! How many times is THIRD PAIR good?

[@saurabh0001]

That too on a paired board 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@carlo8044]

He’s not calling because he thinks he beats valuebets lol, he calls because he beats all bluffs. It doesnt matter if you have a queen or a seven in this spot, they both beat bluffs and lose to all the strong hands

[@pavel2927]

@@carlo8044 disagree for two reasons: (1) super aggressive players like Dwan can also value bet thinner to balance out all the bluffs in their range so I wouldn't be shocked to see Dwan play a queen like this; (2) distribution says this is one of the worst hands Phil can ever have in this spot (really, he shouldn't have it at all, the preflop play is really bad) so even against a super aggressive player like Dwan you gotta have some folds in your range against an overbet on the river and 97o is certainly it, especially since the 9 blocks some missed straight draws. Just an all-round bad call by Phil

[@ALF8892]

Rookie move for sure not even close. If he had queens and you thought he was bluffing you might be able to call but with 7s the guy could be bluffing and still have you beat. No problem laying that down. Honestly he didn't have to call 16,100 after betting pre flop and certainly should have folded after 50k+ on the turn. A large bet on the turn was possible on the turn for hellmuths position but honestly he shouldn't have even been in that hand at all. Tom looked scared going all in and the entire time after. It looked like a big bluff. Durr is the only one looking close to genius more like a great actor.

[@danedacosta5519]

Absolute bonkers for helmuth to take that long for a call on a pair

[@RWGish]

Well, he got the idiot part right. I'll never understand how Hellmuth won the WSOP Main Event, every time I see him play he loses. Why would you call a big raise on the flop with 9-7 off suit? Even if you think Dwan is bluffing there are so many much better ways to lose.

[@aheroictaxidriver3180]

My favorite hand from this show is when Viffer makes 2 pair with his K9.

[@anonymousraw766]

He hit a king on me! A nine! Nine ball corner pocket

[@jkillgrove]

I liked that one too.

[@paulyd2483]

How is Phil Hellmuth even a Poker Star? He raised 7/9 off suit and called the re-raise who does that? His hand should of been folded after Derr raised the stake

[@alexandertong9064]

The second he said, “I call” with all that confidence, i literally flinched cuz I was in such shock 😂. Tbh tho I do see the merits to calling, since all major draws missed and Dwan being such a capable player - but that’s playing results

[@markfizz2012]

Finally, someone who understands poker.

[@The.Harsh.Truths]

Tbh it was the correct call. Dwan has a worse hand there over 50% of the time.

[@ChasingDonnieBaseball]

Phil: "Maury, edit this hand out so I don't look like the donkey I am!"

[@jpa5038]

I remember watching this when it first aired. Dwan bluffed at an insane rate even for Dwan and he got away with almost every bluff he attempted. If I remember right, it was Eli that picked off a big bluff when he had top pair against Dwan's missed draw which got him stuck. I think Phil taking too long is a legit criticism. 5 minutes is enough time to make a life or death decision so it's enough time to decide to call or fold an all in shove on the river. But there's actually a lot going on here. Flop comes possible straight and flush draw, turn pairs the board and a blank on the river, no draws completed. At this point either Dwan is going to bluff hard to try to win the hand or he's had a made hand the entire way through. It's as polarized as it can get. The shove on the river is the exclamation point on that polarization because Phil's stack preservation style is susceptible to the big bet bluff and Phil knows that that is a weakness of his game that other players have exploited in the past especially guys that without hesitation will over bet and bluff all in.

[@88mphDrBrown]

Sounds about right, it should take about 4 paragraphs of mental gymnastics to explain a "legitimate" reason to go insane and kamikaze 97o. Jesus man, if you can rationalize this play you can rationalize anything.

[@Aviator2224]

Completely agree with you. However, I do believe that Phil should never have called with 9 7 off. I am no where near an experienced player but I feel that the initial call was bad play.

[@CurleyJeffersonS]

Just call it “Punting”

[@jpa5038]

@@88mphDrBrown I never said I agreed with the call. Phil lost this hand because he betrayed his own style. Obviously folding 97 off in this spot is going to be the more profitable move a majority of the time.

[@88mphDrBrown]

@@jpa5038 the really heinous play is the 3bet, calling the 4bet pre, and calling the turn. Theres definitely a case to be made for the call at the end, I think that was the only somewhat understandable decision. It's just a giant punt/ kamikaze/ self immolation

[@danielkirk7240]

I love when hellmuth gets out played. Biggest cry baby in poker. Thinks he Gods gift to poker but sucks out just as much as the rest of them. 9 7 off? Nice play tool!

[@liamchang4740]

“Take up to four days!” -Laak 😂

[@EricSmyth4Christ]

"I'm gonna look like an idiot if i'm wrong, and I am still an idiot if i'm right."

[@honortruth5227]

There’s no danger of Helmuth being taken for a genius.

[@RMF49]

Esfandiari and Negreanu agreed once upon a time.

[@seankiesling2054]

Yeah, most braclets and cashes in wsop history... no chance of him being any good

[@lukash9193]

Tournaments: one of the greatest ever Cash games: one of the worst ever

[@RMF49]

@@lukash9193 Based on what is he bad at cash games? I looked for data but it’s hard to come by. Absent actual data that’s just urban legend. People used to think he sucks at heads up too.

[@lukash9193]

@@RMF49 based on his results on pretty much all televised cash games like high stakes poker, poker after dark, million dollar cash game, the big game. He got his ass kicked almost every time by the real cash game bosses like dwan , ivey etc.

[@henrikrolfsen584]

7:20 With a wet board; Queens, and Tens, no player in his right mind, would call with just a Pair of Sevens: How can Hellmuth even contemplate a call here?

[@liujiangang7333]

Phil’s turn call basically tells Dawn what he has.

[@jamesnovotny2991]

Dwan exploiting Phil's ego again

[@theboys7748]

Elezra the bloke who calls the winning hand like he knew it once Tom flips it over. Bad etiquette.

[@paulyd2483]

2 tens and a queen on the board and Phil Hellmuth calls an all-in. I reckon Phil Hellmuth has and endless pot of cash probably handed down by mummy and daddy and his bracelets was won on pure luck alone

[@bzaust]

I’ve watched a lot of Tom Dwan on HSP and PAD along with a few other cash game shows many times and whenever I see him make these overbet jams he has the effective nuts most of the time..and still gets called. I guess he must balance this at some point(off camera) or it would never work…

[@chrisb-nf7iy]

He also bluffs with totally nothing the other hands, Best example was on HSP he got trip 2s to fold and Pocket AAs with nothing. He bet 7/2 into people and won vs AK by massively overbetting pre flop. Ivey failed to call his bluffs

[@ifeelhalfnaked484]

a lot of high stakes online NL200+ implement overbet on turn or river, it was not normal back in the days which is 10 years ago

[@JLSantz]

He thinks he is the best but he's just an idiot. Dwan made all in bet to make hellmuth think he's bluffing because of the over bet. And yet he still calls with 2nd lowest pair on the board with two 10s in it. Man, not even a bluffer would be willing to bet all in that high with a board like that.

[@samiam7342]

Hellmuth is still the best player because he has longevity. He's been playing professionally since 1988. He is still going strong and has never gone bust. You can't say that about many other players including dwan..................

[@robcookex]

When did Dwan go bust? Recently or a while back? I'm presuming Macau?

[@samiam7342]

@@robcookex probably both, he has gone bust several times........

[@Ewochable]

@@samiam7342 how u do know this???? How he getter back moneying? Pls do tell Sir.

[@LEFTaTIP]

Hellmuth is far from ever being the best poker player.....maybe top 15, top 12. Has Hellmuth done well in online games, like Ivey, Dwan, Antonius, B. Kenny or Jason Koon, A. Robl?? Is Hellmuth a great mixed game poker player, like D. Brunson, Galfond, Ivey, Antonius, John Hennigan, Benyamine??? Does Hellmuth go into the biggest cash games in Macau, like Ivey, Antonius, Dwan J. Koon, D. Cates, A. Torelli, B. Baldwin? Or grinds away at reg. High Stakes cash games like D. Oppenhiem, D. Brunson, S. Deeb, D. Benyamine. Sure, Hellmuth is running good in 2 Heads-up matches and of course the best in the WSOP poker events winning mostly against amateurs and of course his self-promoting himself to the highest degree but IMO, I just can't say he is in a top 20 greatest poker players.

[@haughey123]

Pre flop was an easy fold - Dwan was repping strength, if Helmuth had suited connector maybe justified the call but was a situation Helmuth shouldn't been in being the best in the world he claims to be.